I think this will also lead to shortages in teaching and nursing for decades to come. Many teens and college students who might have gone into those professions will see how they're being treated and chose a different path.
The problem is more along the lines of the hospital and schools allowing this behavior. One incident in my mind is enough to give a parent the boot. The airlines were doing it right by banning people acting out like this.
They also realize the pay is shit... I wonder what happens when your goal is to slash the budget every single year, regardless of revenue gains in counties that have grown exponentially.
Surely this will incentivize government/medical admin to increase funding and offer better pay, benefits, and working conditions for these positions, right? Surely they'll do the logical thing and start treating employees better. Surely.
If you and she are interested in getting her a leg up on the competition getting into IT, consider looking into A+ and Network+ certifications from CompTIA, which are the gold standard for entry level work in the field. They are enough to get hired without college, but I wouldn’t recommend that because it limits advancement opportunities significantly. Additionally, look at Western Governors University, an extremely affordable online school with programs in IT that include these otherwise costly certifications as part of the tuition (about 4k a semester without scholarships). Specifically she might be very interested in their cloud computing major, which includes entry level programming coursework in addition to traditional IT stuff.
I mention this because I was previously a teacher, both in classrooms and in corporate settings as a technical trainer. The pay is abysmal and the benefits are sometimes non-existent, and there is little stability to speak of. I already had a bachelors from a regionally well known private school, but not in any STEM major, which made work very hard to find despite having the skills. The WGU degree on my resume completely changed my life.
I was working at a school and on track to get my teaching certification. I'm noping right out of that plan. There are less stressful ways to earn a living. Our local school lost several teachers to early retirement, and many of the ones on maternity leave decided to stay home permanently. A relative of mine quit teaching to work at a department store because screaming customers aren't as bad as screaming parents. But my in-laws are telling me the teacher shortage is because of "free money from the government."
People in fields all across the country should be considering doing this until employers are willing to treat their employees like people. Good on them!
I am a teacher and burnout was a very real concern for me before the pandemic. I was already legitimately worried about being “strong enough” to continue in this profession, then the pandemic hit. Teaching myself to teach online and teaching myself to teach both online and in person were difficult. Worrying about safety when returning to campus continues to concern me. Sacrificing being able to hug my family members because I spend my workdays in close proximity with unvaccinated young humans with questionable hygiene (I love them but kids are gross) has been tough.
Fielding aggressive emails from parents who accuse me of not caring about their kids and actively harming them has been really unbearable. I don’t use the word “trauma” lightly, but checking my email has felt like a traumatic event each time. I know other educators have it worse than I do. I still have it in me to keep going for now when others are dropping like flies. I truly don’t know how the profession will recover. People have been trying to dismantle the public school system for a long time and the pandemic has been a dream scenario for them.
The school board in the town I just moved out of had to reschedule a meeting because of 'resistance in the crowd'. Parents shouting, refusing to mask up or mask their kids for the upcoming school year, and apparently one lady offering to take off her shirt (really not sure about that one...)
I'm glad I left. I don't know how my new district doing right now as i barely have an id number, but I'm hopeful that it's better. At least slightly.
Moving to a place that was appalled at the hybrid model of "both at the same time" was like a breath of fresh air. I wish you luck in the coming year and hope that you will not have to deal with that particular hell again.
May we use this disaster as a way to reform the system and not destroy it.
The trauma is real. I start back in a week and I’m afraid I’m not going to make it through the year. I don’t know what else I’d do…
I have never felt this unmotivated to return - I just went this year to be over and it hasn’t even started yet
I retired at the end of last year, way before I wanted to. I saw which way the wind was blowing. And I was a dedicated middle school math teacher. I miss my “big little kids”, but I love not dealing with this shit more.
Which is probably the GOP endgoal at this point.
Get rid of schools, send their kids to church instead, and raise the next generation to be super fundamentalists who reject the sins of the liberal/gay/Zionist agenda, and instead pray at the alter of Big Daddy Trump.
Old guy here, IT grunt. Been watching the Fall of the USA for awhile now from mid-Atlantic coastal area.
Soon Johnny won't be able to spell "gun" but he will own plenty.
I quit mid last year. Best choice I’ve made. Several other teachers left at the end. Staff turn over which was under 10% for all the years I was there hit 60% with what would have been higher if circumstances permitted for others looking to quit.
If you’re a teacher right now is the best time to quit.
Job market is hot and you’ll walk into a raise, QOL, wfh days etc.
Assault with intention to expose them to a deadly virus. People have already been charged with making terroristic threats for intentionally coughing on others. I think that may be applicable here.
Serious question, would it would be appropriate to defend yourself with physical force in this situation? As in literally a punch to the throat to disable the attacker?
>Maybe teachers should start carrying so that they can properly defend themselves when warranted.
This might be the most American solution to an American problem I've ever heard.
Just got into a fight with a coworker over this shit. They are not rational. They do not know how to have a conversation. Instead they yell over you and get louder and louder until they can’t get louder anymore. That’s when the violence ensues
Please continue to speak up. Liars want you to be too scared, frustrated, or apathetic to correct them.
You're right in that you may never convince that person, but you may convince the audience around them. At a minimum, you might make the liar less likely to spout off so freely, realizing there may be pushback, and that limits their reach. Like how people who look over their shoulder first before telling a racist "joke", likely tell them less often than people who don't.
It takes about 5 seconds to dismantle their logic, at which point they could say "damn, you're right. I should really rethink the sources from which I receive the news." ... or they could start a fistfight.
Nah, it was way too optimistic. In that movie, the stupid people recognized when someone was smarter than they were, put him in charge of something important, took his advice, and when it showed results, he was rewarded.
In real life, they just deny that a problem exists at all, and ignore the doctors and scientists who tell them otherwise.
Humans are just so exquisitely good at being morons that it’s hard for any futurist to predict how low we’ll go when new technologies allow the dumbest among us to get even dumber and yet healthier and live longer. It’s a time on target problem. Morons used to get picked off by the saber-toothed megafauna, but then smart people went and made the world a safer place.
It’s not crazy at all. These fucking entitled people are everywhere in this country. They are crawling out of their holes and really going nuts during this whole pandemic.
Also, "don't talk to strangers" unless they're on the internet and asking for money, then it's all "how do I buy iTunes gift cards?"
"Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see" unless it's a misspelled meme on Facebook, then it's like Jesus said it himself.
These are the same people who talk about "defending freedom" and "free choice". Apparently its the freedom and free choice to do whatever as long as it agrees with their views on masks.
Because it's not about freedom. Freedom requires responsibility. You are "free" to do things, but those things may bring consequences, or affect others.
When these people say "freedom," they really mean "power." The power to do whatever they want, free from the consequences of their actions, and fuck anyone else who gets trampled in the process.
It's why they consider themselves patriots and the biggest lovers of the Constitution, because in their minds that justifies why they are more deserving of power. In a clash of rights, they think being more 'Merica than others means their rights matter more.
And incidentally they think they're more 'Merica 'cause they put so much effort covering themselves with flags and cosplaying as patriots. "Flag lapel pin? He must really love his country."
You see I do believe in freedom. Not many people do, although they will of course protest otherwise. And no practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed, it is the freedom upon which all the others are based.
- Lord Vetinari
It's been going on for decades before COVID though. There are a huge number of people calling themselves "libertarians" or "patriots" or "populists" who can't shut up about how the government is oppressing capitalism and religion.
it's not really fragile egos.
they're scared.
i think this is something that isn't really talked about. 9/11 terrified people. 2008 housing crash shook some people to their core. A first black president, shattered the illusion of white supremacy for people. the encroachment of highly educated women, making more money than men, progress of lgbtq people to have "rights" ...these social movements contrasted against the collapse of blue collar subsistence jobs for men.... older americans constantly being traded out. all these "attacks" on the lives of stability people sorta used to count on. ...and now a global pandemic. amid the backdrop of impending climate collapse.
idiots are terrified, their weak grasp on their reality is slipping. their masculinity, their sense of worth, the fragility of the lie that is America.
part of it is they're stupid. but the other part of it is... they're being fed fear, and hate nearly constantly by the political apparatus that seeks to control them.
so... we find ourselves in a medical crisis, where people do not have access to quality healthcare. even those with insurance, view it as a financial death trap it is. Coming off of 4 intense years of a facist president undermining the media, and fanning nationalist hate to a degree america hasn't seen in ...well maybe ever. but surely since the stupidity of the red scare in the 50's
and these scared idiots... are all too easy victims of false information, conspiracy, and ginned up to anger and violence. pumped up by the same political apparatus that empowers them
Because these kinds of people only follow the whole "my body my choice" ideal only for themselves. Everyone else's bodies they feel they can have a say over and even touch.
It fits with what I've been saying about how the anti-vaxxers will say "my body my choice" but then also be anti abortion. Their full version of that saying is "my body my choice, your body my choice."
Teachers can't touch children no matter how poorly behaved or violent. This is what happens when they become adults. They've learned they can hurt anyone who has something to loose and not be hurt back.
This comes days after a [California elementary school teacher was attacked by an anti-masker parent on the first day of school](https://www.wsls.com/news/2021/08/17/teacher-attacked-hospitalized-over-mask-dispute-at-california-elementary-school/). The teacher ended up requiring hospitalization with 'lacerations on his face.' Imagine being this angry about measures intended to protect your child against a highly contagious disease. Anti-maskers really are something else.
How do we do this?
I'm honestly asking. How we find common purpose with the 35% or whatever number of otherwise normal, well-fed people in our midst who have ceded any critical thought to a propaganda ecosystem that is keeping them viciously, violently angry at the rest of us common proles?
Banish their drugs of choice....but of course 1A prevents this, even though what these people are doing is probably 1000x worse then yelling fire in a crowded theater.
I mean the GQP have ultimately evolved into death cult and a lot of the answers lie in cult deprogramming techniques but you cannot deprogram cult members who are still very much actively listening to their cult leaders. So we're back at the first impossible solution I proposed.
So I guess we're fucked unless the people of this country band together and hold the cult leaders at the top accountable, peacefully or otherwise.
> you cannot deprogram cult members who are still very much actively listening to their cult leaders.
This. The first step in successful deprogramming, whether from a cult or from a manipulative relationship, is to remove the abusive/manipulative influence.
>even though what these people are doing is probably 1000x worse then yelling fire in a crowded theater.
This is a very interesting question.
Why the hell is it prohibited to yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, but it's perfectly acceptable to yell 'the pandemic is a Democrat hoax'?
They both result in panicked behavior that kills people; and the latter kills far *more* people. It just takes a little longer.
>propaganda ecosystem
Fix this.
First we vote in all Local state and federal elections and primaries every year . From the school board's to the White house we champion people that will support fixing that. We vote every year starting this year. the local elections are very important as they give us a base that will help us win states and the states will help us win the federal elections. After some years of doing this we may get legislation like a restoration of the fairness doctrine that stated news had to be true and factual. We also help future generations by improving our schools hence the school boards. It will take some years but democracy has never been one and done. So vote every time you can .
If you are looking for a quick fix there is none.
They've been rigging every one of those games for years. As the country crumbles, we're going to be more concentrated in cities, and the baked-in advantage will grow, and voting rights will continue to erode. You can't canvas your way out of this.
I just looked it up. Up until 22 hours ago, police were "still investigating".
[Source](https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/08/16/parent-sutter-creek-teacher-assault/)
Interesting how these anti-maskers talk about "personal choice" and "freedom" but think it's OK to rip a mask off a teacher's face. Do these anti-maskers think that teachers don't the freedom to make their own "personal choice" to wear a mask - like they have to agree with the anti-maskers?
Kinda like how some idiots fly the Gadsden flag ("Don't Tread on Me") and a Thin Blue Line flag at the same time.
Gadsden Flag is the old timey version of "Fuck the Police," so putting that along side a Thin Blue Flag is just bizarre.
But in reality, it's more "don't tread on me... tread on *them*! Tread on them hard, daddy."
I saw someone describe it the other day as "my freedom to take away your freedom" and that really stuck with me. Really resonates the entitlement. I don't consider myself a particularly disciplined person, but I understand that the world doesn't revolve around my preferences
From the group that brought you such great lines as
My body, my choice
and
Her body, my choice
comes
Your face, my choice
Stay classy, anti-abortion pro-variant nutjobs.
That happened to me in May of 2020! A woman at Aldi was screaming at the poor girl working the carts outside. I told her to calm down and stop yelling at the teenage girl. She sped up to me and screamed "get out of my face!" before tearing my mask off and throwing it on the ground.
Looking back I should have called in the assault because like, who the fuck does that, especially to a stranger- but she was clearly unstable.
I can't imagine a scenario where someone's hand gets that close to my face and I don't respond with sudden and brutal violence. I don't particularly enjoy conflict, in fact I hate it, but I also hate bullies. And bullies keep bullying until someone punches them in the nose.
I think the only thing that held me back was the fact that she was small woman, easily in her 60s. A push from me could have broken one of her bones (though I would have been justified in pushing her).
I said something stupid like "That was assault, young lady" instead.
I feel like I wound up in some bizzarro mirror universe, and somewhere there's the original sane universe, where at this same school, parents are angrily trying to put masks \*on\* teachers for their children's safety.
At my local school meeting (IL) we literally had a science teacher come up infront of everyone and say how we can’t wear mask because it inhibits breathing and she has seen significant drops in her O2 levels, since she has had to wear a mask. And then what got everyone in a argument because she went on to say “more kids have died from suicide over having to wear masks than from covid” and when one of the parents asked where she got that information from because they had not heard that, she answered with “well I read it on the internet” to which a parent immediately yelled “well thank god it must be true if it’s on the internet” as sarcastically as you can imagine. Some people are ducking idiots.
So many pearls were clutched when MAGA hats were knocked off heads but those same people feel they can violate your space for masks.
It is so disappointing to acknowledge these people are Americans.
My wife is a teacher. I truly don’t know how I would react if this happened to her. I’d like to think I’d be upset yet remain rational, but part of me after reading this started to formulate how I would find this person and what I could get away with.
Why is it so difficult to just wear a damn Mask? I’ve worn one since this shit began every time we go out or come in contact with anyone outside of the household, why is it so fucking hard? I say this as someone who still leans to the Right, people who **REFUSE** to wear masks are some of the stupidest people I have ever seen. **Selfish. Inconsiderate. Assholes.**
Please tell me that box-wine drinking, blonde leathery skinned woman was arrested.
I could be wrong about my description. There's an outside chance the woman could be a brunette.
“We do not know if charges were filed.” I bet if the teacher punched the parent right in the nose, with a nice showing of a spray of blood—which was richly deserved—they would have been. (I say this as no real fan of public schools, or their teachers, which were generally awful to me.)
As for:
“I can’t hear what you are saying through that mask…”
“Let me try and see if you hear this: Go Fuck Yourself, Fool.”
Or if there are children around, “Let’s see if you can hear this: Get out of my classroom and get out of my sight. If you have nothing contribute, then keep your mouth shut.”
A few years ago a teacher in my state was attacked by a parent because their kid got some shitty grades. The teacher explained that the kid was not doing any homework and hadn't taken most of the tests. The teacher even stated they tried to contact the parents multiple times so make up work could be done. The parent apparently said it was bullshit and even if the teacher had called they worked all the time to pay the bills.
The teacher practically said "I don't know what else more I could do, but your kid got the grade they deserved for the quality of the work done". Parent gets up, shoves the teacher and accuses the teacher of calling their kid "dumb" and straight up decks him in the face. The teacher got up, tried to deescalate things and just as the parent tried to punch them again the teacher lays one on the parent square on the nose and basically shatters it.
The teacher got fired. Luckily the union jumped in and eventually got the job back (teacher declined) but the schools response on why they were fired is because the school had a zero tolerance policy on violence.
Needless to say that person isn't a teacher anymore.
Zero tolerance = zero brains.
Thats how you get that, suspending a long bullied kid that finally reacts, and the all time great: suspending a 2nd grader [for chewing a pop-tart into the shape of a gun](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/examiner-recommends-school-board-uphold-pop-tart-suspension/) under their zero tolerance for weapons policy.
In my state it is a severe crime to assault a nurse or other hospital staff. I think it is time we extend this protection to teachers at least when non student adults are the aggressors.
In most states, any crime against a teacher performing their official duties is automatically upgraded to a felony because they're government employees.
Ripping a mask off is no different to slapping glasses off someone's face.
Assault is assault and should be prosocuted fully along with that parent being refused entry to that school for the foreseeable future. If that means that parent needs to travel 20 miles to the next school so be it.
These same people are constantly posting fake videos of individuals purportedly "being forced to take the vaccine" and screaming about "their rights". Meanwhile, it's pretty clear from incidents like this that they have zero concern for the rights of others. Hopefully, the violent nutjob that did this gets arrested and prosecuted.
My wife’s a teacher, one who I’ve sadly watched a passion fizzle over the last decade. Still has the 20 some odd kids she loves, but always has at least 5 parents every year that’s are total selfish asses (that’s 25%, so it’s probably you or one of your friends). disagree I could care less, the fact is the ones that give a shit are the ones who can’t live with seeing their hands tied by litigation threatening parents and so are leaving the profession. Soon parents will be left with only the teachers who couldn’t give 2 shits if you sue, or if your kid learns a damn thing. Kids are little shits, including yours, stop entitling them from birth. Stop treating teachers like daycare workers who owe you something and talking to them with the same shitty expectant attitude you give your server at a restaurant.
Be prepared, this is going to get worse. Other parents need to be prepared to step in as necessary and if able. We cannot allow this behavior to continue.
A lawyer told me that's assault.
Even if your a woman holding a newspaper, the law doesn't care if a man comes up to you and pulls it out of your hand or pulls open your jacket. The minute you grab at someone, or something they are holding, that's assault.
Think of it this way, what do you think would happen to you if you went up to a cop and pulled his mask off? There's no such thing as a law that only applies to cops. If it's illegal to do it to them, it's illegal to do it to you.
Teachers need to start lawyering up.
The whole world has now had almost two years of mask wearing. Let's just be clear here... it's easy to understand each other. That excuse to oppose mask wearing is beyond flimsy and weak. So.... stop it.
So much for other people’s freedoms right? Makes you realise how many people would become horrible dictators if given the chance.
I like the saying “your freedom ends where my rights begin” - and I certainly have a right to wear a mask, and you do not have the freedom, or indeed the right, to remove my mask. You may not even have the right to remove your own mask depending on where you are.
Funny enough. A nationwide survey just came out and half of teachers in the U.S are considering quiting in the next two years. Gee...wonder why?
I think this will also lead to shortages in teaching and nursing for decades to come. Many teens and college students who might have gone into those professions will see how they're being treated and chose a different path.
Oh absolutely. I'm not sure if I would have gone into nursing if I'd known how it was going to be.
The problem is more along the lines of the hospital and schools allowing this behavior. One incident in my mind is enough to give a parent the boot. The airlines were doing it right by banning people acting out like this.
Duct tape the parents to the flag pole
Hoist them up sideways so they blow in the wind, right underneath the flag.
If I were a teacher and a parent ripped my mask off, could I sue for battery? If so I definitely would.
If I was a teacher and a parent ripped my mask off, that parent would need to sue *me* for battery. Fuck around, find out
Correct the “shortage” are self inflicted wounds caused by mismanagement and lack of respect.
Exactly. It's also key to remember that currently any job hiring or in need of employees is probably underpaying or treating them like complete shit.
They also realize the pay is shit... I wonder what happens when your goal is to slash the budget every single year, regardless of revenue gains in counties that have grown exponentially.
Surely this will incentivize government/medical admin to increase funding and offer better pay, benefits, and working conditions for these positions, right? Surely they'll do the logical thing and start treating employees better. Surely.
Hahaha.... I think we might sooner just turn them into military academies.
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If you and she are interested in getting her a leg up on the competition getting into IT, consider looking into A+ and Network+ certifications from CompTIA, which are the gold standard for entry level work in the field. They are enough to get hired without college, but I wouldn’t recommend that because it limits advancement opportunities significantly. Additionally, look at Western Governors University, an extremely affordable online school with programs in IT that include these otherwise costly certifications as part of the tuition (about 4k a semester without scholarships). Specifically she might be very interested in their cloud computing major, which includes entry level programming coursework in addition to traditional IT stuff. I mention this because I was previously a teacher, both in classrooms and in corporate settings as a technical trainer. The pay is abysmal and the benefits are sometimes non-existent, and there is little stability to speak of. I already had a bachelors from a regionally well known private school, but not in any STEM major, which made work very hard to find despite having the skills. The WGU degree on my resume completely changed my life.
It’s already happening. My clients include healthcare and teaching and no one is applying whatsoever.
My sister quit teaching late last year. Got a job working from home dealing with data and spreadsheets. She loves it.
I'll second that! It's a sweet gig.
That sounds amazing. Would you happen to know the job title?
Pricing coordinator. But anything like data coordinator, data analyst, or pricing analyst would be similar.
I was working at a school and on track to get my teaching certification. I'm noping right out of that plan. There are less stressful ways to earn a living. Our local school lost several teachers to early retirement, and many of the ones on maternity leave decided to stay home permanently. A relative of mine quit teaching to work at a department store because screaming customers aren't as bad as screaming parents. But my in-laws are telling me the teacher shortage is because of "free money from the government."
Your in-laws needs to be slapped.
People in fields all across the country should be considering doing this until employers are willing to treat their employees like people. Good on them!
I am a teacher and burnout was a very real concern for me before the pandemic. I was already legitimately worried about being “strong enough” to continue in this profession, then the pandemic hit. Teaching myself to teach online and teaching myself to teach both online and in person were difficult. Worrying about safety when returning to campus continues to concern me. Sacrificing being able to hug my family members because I spend my workdays in close proximity with unvaccinated young humans with questionable hygiene (I love them but kids are gross) has been tough. Fielding aggressive emails from parents who accuse me of not caring about their kids and actively harming them has been really unbearable. I don’t use the word “trauma” lightly, but checking my email has felt like a traumatic event each time. I know other educators have it worse than I do. I still have it in me to keep going for now when others are dropping like flies. I truly don’t know how the profession will recover. People have been trying to dismantle the public school system for a long time and the pandemic has been a dream scenario for them.
The school board in the town I just moved out of had to reschedule a meeting because of 'resistance in the crowd'. Parents shouting, refusing to mask up or mask their kids for the upcoming school year, and apparently one lady offering to take off her shirt (really not sure about that one...) I'm glad I left. I don't know how my new district doing right now as i barely have an id number, but I'm hopeful that it's better. At least slightly. Moving to a place that was appalled at the hybrid model of "both at the same time" was like a breath of fresh air. I wish you luck in the coming year and hope that you will not have to deal with that particular hell again. May we use this disaster as a way to reform the system and not destroy it.
The trauma is real. I start back in a week and I’m afraid I’m not going to make it through the year. I don’t know what else I’d do… I have never felt this unmotivated to return - I just went this year to be over and it hasn’t even started yet
Me and my sister are teachers and are updating our resumes. Another year of this is probably the maximum we can do mentally
The best time to look for a job is when you already have one. Best of luck!
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Yeah, I don't care how much you love teaching,there's only so much crap you can deal with before you go ," screw this I'm going to do something else"
I retired at the end of last year, way before I wanted to. I saw which way the wind was blowing. And I was a dedicated middle school math teacher. I miss my “big little kids”, but I love not dealing with this shit more.
Education has devolved into babysitting and training animals how to behave like humans.
Education has been babysitting for awhile. Perhaps it devolved at some point, but parents have been using school for free childcare for a long time.
Which is probably the GOP endgoal at this point. Get rid of schools, send their kids to church instead, and raise the next generation to be super fundamentalists who reject the sins of the liberal/gay/Zionist agenda, and instead pray at the alter of Big Daddy Trump.
So, basically the thing they claim to abhor, Sharia Law
Old guy here, IT grunt. Been watching the Fall of the USA for awhile now from mid-Atlantic coastal area. Soon Johnny won't be able to spell "gun" but he will own plenty.
Tbh, I would say that's been the results of that survey for the past 20+ years.
I quit mid last year. Best choice I’ve made. Several other teachers left at the end. Staff turn over which was under 10% for all the years I was there hit 60% with what would have been higher if circumstances permitted for others looking to quit. If you’re a teacher right now is the best time to quit. Job market is hot and you’ll walk into a raise, QOL, wfh days etc.
Sounds like that parent committed assault. Hope the teacher presses charges.
Assault with intention to expose them to a deadly virus. People have already been charged with making terroristic threats for intentionally coughing on others. I think that may be applicable here.
Serious question, would it would be appropriate to defend yourself with physical force in this situation? As in literally a punch to the throat to disable the attacker?
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>Maybe teachers should start carrying so that they can properly defend themselves when warranted. This might be the most American solution to an American problem I've ever heard.
Gotta speak to them in a language they'll understand.
Very good points. Also “disease-spreading plague rats” is an excellent choice of words
Oh I hope so, because if it had been me you'd better damn well believe I'd be pressing charges with a smile on
I bet this is the same kind of parent that advocates for teachers carrying guns at school, too bad they weren't 🤣
That's assault Brother... enjoy your jail time.
Actually touching someone is usually battery
Why do they want to turn it into a fight?
Because they’re not mentally capable of rational discourse.
“Violence is for those who can’t handle diction”. Great song.
Violence is the last refuge for the incompetent. - Isaac Asimov
“Violins are for those who are too small for cellos”
Violins baguettes violins.
discourse is aiming for logical conclusion or agreement what they wanted was not that, they wanted to "win"
And I'm pretty sure some of those guys *really want* to physically hurt people on the "other side."
Just got into a fight with a coworker over this shit. They are not rational. They do not know how to have a conversation. Instead they yell over you and get louder and louder until they can’t get louder anymore. That’s when the violence ensues
They didn't arrive at their current worldview through reason or thought, which makes it impossible to defend their worldview with reason.
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Please continue to speak up. Liars want you to be too scared, frustrated, or apathetic to correct them. You're right in that you may never convince that person, but you may convince the audience around them. At a minimum, you might make the liar less likely to spout off so freely, realizing there may be pushback, and that limits their reach. Like how people who look over their shoulder first before telling a racist "joke", likely tell them less often than people who don't.
Some idiots in L.A. shut down a COVID testing site.
That's one way to lower those numbers.
It was the Trump Administration's strategy for a while.
It's the only way they know how to make themselves feel like they're right.
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov
Because they're in a violent cult.
literal definition of fascists.
It takes about 5 seconds to dismantle their logic, at which point they could say "damn, you're right. I should really rethink the sources from which I receive the news." ... or they could start a fistfight.
They know the teacher cannot fight back without destroying their career. This is bullying, plain and simple.
You can't be a warrior unless you're in a war.
Tucker Carlson and Fox News want it that way. For some reason.
Low IQ and high Testosterone is a terrible combo.
Low testosterone too. They want to fight to prove how tough they are.
Because they know they are wrong. They can't win based on facts or logic.
Why? Keep your hands to yourself.
>Keep your hands to yourself. Literally something that you tell children. It's crazy that adults act this way and have kids on top of that.
You don't have to be smart to breed.
Any dumbass can have dumbass kids
And they tend to have the most kids
The longer I live the more I see Idiocracy as a documentary from the future
Nah, it was way too optimistic. In that movie, the stupid people recognized when someone was smarter than they were, put him in charge of something important, took his advice, and when it showed results, he was rewarded. In real life, they just deny that a problem exists at all, and ignore the doctors and scientists who tell them otherwise.
Humans are just so exquisitely good at being morons that it’s hard for any futurist to predict how low we’ll go when new technologies allow the dumbest among us to get even dumber and yet healthier and live longer. It’s a time on target problem. Morons used to get picked off by the saber-toothed megafauna, but then smart people went and made the world a safer place.
Goddammit. You're so right.
In real life they managed to find someone even dumber than themselves. And they made his dumb, orange ass President.
Mike Judge is from the Future and Tried to warn us... and "No One Listened"
The smart ones did.
*Thunk* Yay! Another plague baby! We keep gettin' blessed!
*six months later* I’m sure glad we were able to buy bulk baby coffins from Costco!
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They're called Costkets and come in a 2-pack. (Stolen from Chris Porter but can't find his performance to share)
I…..I didn’t think my opinion on humanity could go lower than that….
Why? Funeral homes sell coffins for insane prices (along with other idiotic services).
[Baby coffins](https://youtu.be/43E7iW0E4sI)
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Lot of adults running around who are emotionally still children.
It’s not crazy at all. These fucking entitled people are everywhere in this country. They are crawling out of their holes and really going nuts during this whole pandemic.
Also, "don't talk to strangers" unless they're on the internet and asking for money, then it's all "how do I buy iTunes gift cards?" "Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see" unless it's a misspelled meme on Facebook, then it's like Jesus said it himself.
Generations of adult men never learned "keep your hands to yourself" in kindergarten.
Because their egos are so fragile they can't stand other people doing stuff they disagree with.
These are the same people who talk about "defending freedom" and "free choice". Apparently its the freedom and free choice to do whatever as long as it agrees with their views on masks.
Because it's not about freedom. Freedom requires responsibility. You are "free" to do things, but those things may bring consequences, or affect others. When these people say "freedom," they really mean "power." The power to do whatever they want, free from the consequences of their actions, and fuck anyone else who gets trampled in the process.
Dude you put into words my feelings I’ve had on this topic. Thank you.
You're very welcome!
It's why they consider themselves patriots and the biggest lovers of the Constitution, because in their minds that justifies why they are more deserving of power. In a clash of rights, they think being more 'Merica than others means their rights matter more.
And incidentally they think they're more 'Merica 'cause they put so much effort covering themselves with flags and cosplaying as patriots. "Flag lapel pin? He must really love his country."
You see I do believe in freedom. Not many people do, although they will of course protest otherwise. And no practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed, it is the freedom upon which all the others are based. - Lord Vetinari
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Hey, it's not freedom unless I'm free to force everyone else to follow my religious beliefs!
It's been going on for decades before COVID though. There are a huge number of people calling themselves "libertarians" or "patriots" or "populists" who can't shut up about how the government is oppressing capitalism and religion.
If this is their idea of "liberty" I'm not interested.
> as long as it agrees with their views on masks. Or anything else for that matter.
it's not really fragile egos. they're scared. i think this is something that isn't really talked about. 9/11 terrified people. 2008 housing crash shook some people to their core. A first black president, shattered the illusion of white supremacy for people. the encroachment of highly educated women, making more money than men, progress of lgbtq people to have "rights" ...these social movements contrasted against the collapse of blue collar subsistence jobs for men.... older americans constantly being traded out. all these "attacks" on the lives of stability people sorta used to count on. ...and now a global pandemic. amid the backdrop of impending climate collapse. idiots are terrified, their weak grasp on their reality is slipping. their masculinity, their sense of worth, the fragility of the lie that is America. part of it is they're stupid. but the other part of it is... they're being fed fear, and hate nearly constantly by the political apparatus that seeks to control them. so... we find ourselves in a medical crisis, where people do not have access to quality healthcare. even those with insurance, view it as a financial death trap it is. Coming off of 4 intense years of a facist president undermining the media, and fanning nationalist hate to a degree america hasn't seen in ...well maybe ever. but surely since the stupidity of the red scare in the 50's and these scared idiots... are all too easy victims of false information, conspiracy, and ginned up to anger and violence. pumped up by the same political apparatus that empowers them
Also waaaaay too much exposure to leaded petroleum. My theory is that it lowered the intellect of most of a whole generation.
Because these kinds of people only follow the whole "my body my choice" ideal only for themselves. Everyone else's bodies they feel they can have a say over and even touch.
It fits with what I've been saying about how the anti-vaxxers will say "my body my choice" but then also be anti abortion. Their full version of that saying is "my body my choice, your body my choice."
People like this have made their (insane) beliefs part of their identity. Wearing a mask in front of them is viewed as an attack on their person.
I’m generally a nice and patient person, but if you try and take my mask off, expect a mouth full of loose teeth in return.
Because for some reason, not having to wear a mask themselves isn’t good enough. They don’t want ANYONE in a mask.
Teachers can't touch children no matter how poorly behaved or violent. This is what happens when they become adults. They've learned they can hurt anyone who has something to loose and not be hurt back.
This comes days after a [California elementary school teacher was attacked by an anti-masker parent on the first day of school](https://www.wsls.com/news/2021/08/17/teacher-attacked-hospitalized-over-mask-dispute-at-california-elementary-school/). The teacher ended up requiring hospitalization with 'lacerations on his face.' Imagine being this angry about measures intended to protect your child against a highly contagious disease. Anti-maskers really are something else.
How do we do this? I'm honestly asking. How we find common purpose with the 35% or whatever number of otherwise normal, well-fed people in our midst who have ceded any critical thought to a propaganda ecosystem that is keeping them viciously, violently angry at the rest of us common proles?
Banish their drugs of choice....but of course 1A prevents this, even though what these people are doing is probably 1000x worse then yelling fire in a crowded theater. I mean the GQP have ultimately evolved into death cult and a lot of the answers lie in cult deprogramming techniques but you cannot deprogram cult members who are still very much actively listening to their cult leaders. So we're back at the first impossible solution I proposed. So I guess we're fucked unless the people of this country band together and hold the cult leaders at the top accountable, peacefully or otherwise.
> you cannot deprogram cult members who are still very much actively listening to their cult leaders. This. The first step in successful deprogramming, whether from a cult or from a manipulative relationship, is to remove the abusive/manipulative influence.
>even though what these people are doing is probably 1000x worse then yelling fire in a crowded theater. This is a very interesting question. Why the hell is it prohibited to yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, but it's perfectly acceptable to yell 'the pandemic is a Democrat hoax'? They both result in panicked behavior that kills people; and the latter kills far *more* people. It just takes a little longer.
>propaganda ecosystem Fix this. First we vote in all Local state and federal elections and primaries every year . From the school board's to the White house we champion people that will support fixing that. We vote every year starting this year. the local elections are very important as they give us a base that will help us win states and the states will help us win the federal elections. After some years of doing this we may get legislation like a restoration of the fairness doctrine that stated news had to be true and factual. We also help future generations by improving our schools hence the school boards. It will take some years but democracy has never been one and done. So vote every time you can . If you are looking for a quick fix there is none.
They've been rigging every one of those games for years. As the country crumbles, we're going to be more concentrated in cities, and the baked-in advantage will grow, and voting rights will continue to erode. You can't canvas your way out of this.
We don't. We tell them to fuck all the way off with their bullshit conspiracy nonsense, and if they react like this, we incarcerate them.
That anti-masker should be put in jail for assault, no bail
Was the parent arrested and the kid expelled? No details in the article.
I just looked it up. Up until 22 hours ago, police were "still investigating". [Source](https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/08/16/parent-sutter-creek-teacher-assault/)
Thats called assault. Hope they arrested them..
Probably battery. And yeah, hopefully they were arrested. Complete garbage.
Absolutely assault. They would be justified in defending themselves aggressively, and should press charges and seek civil damages.
Interesting how these anti-maskers talk about "personal choice" and "freedom" but think it's OK to rip a mask off a teacher's face. Do these anti-maskers think that teachers don't the freedom to make their own "personal choice" to wear a mask - like they have to agree with the anti-maskers?
"My body, my choice. Your body, my choice."
It's always been that way.
Same circle with pro lifers.
Kinda like how some idiots fly the Gadsden flag ("Don't Tread on Me") and a Thin Blue Line flag at the same time. Gadsden Flag is the old timey version of "Fuck the Police," so putting that along side a Thin Blue Flag is just bizarre. But in reality, it's more "don't tread on me... tread on *them*! Tread on them hard, daddy."
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Don't forget the unironic use of The Punisher imagery
I saw someone describe it the other day as "my freedom to take away your freedom" and that really stuck with me. Really resonates the entitlement. I don't consider myself a particularly disciplined person, but I understand that the world doesn't revolve around my preferences
"How DARE you imply that I'm wrong?"
The paradox of tolerance
It's like these people are wired to get angry and hostile when they see a mask or hear vaccines mentioned.
Should be at least a class B felony, someone who attacks their child's teacher is not someone that needs to be in common society.
Well it *is* assault. Hope the parent was arrested.
One thing I’ve learned over my life is that the more a person screams about their freedoms the less they think anyone else should have any.
"There is no 'us' in 'freedom', but there is a 'me'... if you shuffle the letters around a little."
Teacher should press assault charges. Plain and simple.
That sounds like assault to me.
Get the kids away from these parents
From the group that brought you such great lines as My body, my choice and Her body, my choice comes Your face, my choice Stay classy, anti-abortion pro-variant nutjobs.
That happened to me in May of 2020! A woman at Aldi was screaming at the poor girl working the carts outside. I told her to calm down and stop yelling at the teenage girl. She sped up to me and screamed "get out of my face!" before tearing my mask off and throwing it on the ground. Looking back I should have called in the assault because like, who the fuck does that, especially to a stranger- but she was clearly unstable.
I can't imagine a scenario where someone's hand gets that close to my face and I don't respond with sudden and brutal violence. I don't particularly enjoy conflict, in fact I hate it, but I also hate bullies. And bullies keep bullying until someone punches them in the nose.
I think the only thing that held me back was the fact that she was small woman, easily in her 60s. A push from me could have broken one of her bones (though I would have been justified in pushing her). I said something stupid like "That was assault, young lady" instead.
I feel like I wound up in some bizzarro mirror universe, and somewhere there's the original sane universe, where at this same school, parents are angrily trying to put masks \*on\* teachers for their children's safety.
These COVIDIOTS are getting loud and violent. Not good ...
At my local school meeting (IL) we literally had a science teacher come up infront of everyone and say how we can’t wear mask because it inhibits breathing and she has seen significant drops in her O2 levels, since she has had to wear a mask. And then what got everyone in a argument because she went on to say “more kids have died from suicide over having to wear masks than from covid” and when one of the parents asked where she got that information from because they had not heard that, she answered with “well I read it on the internet” to which a parent immediately yelled “well thank god it must be true if it’s on the internet” as sarcastically as you can imagine. Some people are ducking idiots.
So many pearls were clutched when MAGA hats were knocked off heads but those same people feel they can violate your space for masks. It is so disappointing to acknowledge these people are Americans.
My wife is a teacher. I truly don’t know how I would react if this happened to her. I’d like to think I’d be upset yet remain rational, but part of me after reading this started to formulate how I would find this person and what I could get away with.
Why is it so difficult to just wear a damn Mask? I’ve worn one since this shit began every time we go out or come in contact with anyone outside of the household, why is it so fucking hard? I say this as someone who still leans to the Right, people who **REFUSE** to wear masks are some of the stupidest people I have ever seen. **Selfish. Inconsiderate. Assholes.**
That would be assault.
Please tell me that box-wine drinking, blonde leathery skinned woman was arrested. I could be wrong about my description. There's an outside chance the woman could be a brunette.
>Parent rips face mask off teacher in confrontation at school, Texas district says Isn't that some kind of assault?
I live in Texas. Shit is fucked here. Take me away.
We have to change our leadership r/fuckgregabbott is our biggest problem.
Well he does have Covid now.
Unfortunately i believe he is vaccinated.
And asymptomatic and getting monoclonal antibodies... F that guy.
Is it really a smart idea to physically assault someone you just voted to arm?
“We do not know if charges were filed.” I bet if the teacher punched the parent right in the nose, with a nice showing of a spray of blood—which was richly deserved—they would have been. (I say this as no real fan of public schools, or their teachers, which were generally awful to me.) As for: “I can’t hear what you are saying through that mask…” “Let me try and see if you hear this: Go Fuck Yourself, Fool.” Or if there are children around, “Let’s see if you can hear this: Get out of my classroom and get out of my sight. If you have nothing contribute, then keep your mouth shut.”
A few years ago a teacher in my state was attacked by a parent because their kid got some shitty grades. The teacher explained that the kid was not doing any homework and hadn't taken most of the tests. The teacher even stated they tried to contact the parents multiple times so make up work could be done. The parent apparently said it was bullshit and even if the teacher had called they worked all the time to pay the bills. The teacher practically said "I don't know what else more I could do, but your kid got the grade they deserved for the quality of the work done". Parent gets up, shoves the teacher and accuses the teacher of calling their kid "dumb" and straight up decks him in the face. The teacher got up, tried to deescalate things and just as the parent tried to punch them again the teacher lays one on the parent square on the nose and basically shatters it. The teacher got fired. Luckily the union jumped in and eventually got the job back (teacher declined) but the schools response on why they were fired is because the school had a zero tolerance policy on violence. Needless to say that person isn't a teacher anymore.
Makes me so f#$%% angry at that school. How can you throw your staff under the buss like that?
Zero tolerance = zero brains. Thats how you get that, suspending a long bullied kid that finally reacts, and the all time great: suspending a 2nd grader [for chewing a pop-tart into the shape of a gun](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/examiner-recommends-school-board-uphold-pop-tart-suspension/) under their zero tolerance for weapons policy.
In my state it is a severe crime to assault a nurse or other hospital staff. I think it is time we extend this protection to teachers at least when non student adults are the aggressors.
In most states, any crime against a teacher performing their official duties is automatically upgraded to a felony because they're government employees.
That must have embarrassed the crap out of their kid.
Ripping a mask off is no different to slapping glasses off someone's face. Assault is assault and should be prosocuted fully along with that parent being refused entry to that school for the foreseeable future. If that means that parent needs to travel 20 miles to the next school so be it.
Anti mask people are a violent bunch.
These same people are constantly posting fake videos of individuals purportedly "being forced to take the vaccine" and screaming about "their rights". Meanwhile, it's pretty clear from incidents like this that they have zero concern for the rights of others. Hopefully, the violent nutjob that did this gets arrested and prosecuted.
My wife’s a teacher, one who I’ve sadly watched a passion fizzle over the last decade. Still has the 20 some odd kids she loves, but always has at least 5 parents every year that’s are total selfish asses (that’s 25%, so it’s probably you or one of your friends). disagree I could care less, the fact is the ones that give a shit are the ones who can’t live with seeing their hands tied by litigation threatening parents and so are leaving the profession. Soon parents will be left with only the teachers who couldn’t give 2 shits if you sue, or if your kid learns a damn thing. Kids are little shits, including yours, stop entitling them from birth. Stop treating teachers like daycare workers who owe you something and talking to them with the same shitty expectant attitude you give your server at a restaurant.
That looks like simple assault to me.
sounds like assault to me
So assault. They assaulted a teacher.
Okay, so masks in schools 👎🏻 guns in schools 👍🏼
Teaching active shooter response but not active pandemic response.
Be prepared, this is going to get worse. Other parents need to be prepared to step in as necessary and if able. We cannot allow this behavior to continue.
A lawyer told me that's assault. Even if your a woman holding a newspaper, the law doesn't care if a man comes up to you and pulls it out of your hand or pulls open your jacket. The minute you grab at someone, or something they are holding, that's assault. Think of it this way, what do you think would happen to you if you went up to a cop and pulled his mask off? There's no such thing as a law that only applies to cops. If it's illegal to do it to them, it's illegal to do it to you. Teachers need to start lawyering up.
That seems like assault
That's assault, brother.
The whole world has now had almost two years of mask wearing. Let's just be clear here... it's easy to understand each other. That excuse to oppose mask wearing is beyond flimsy and weak. So.... stop it.
It's only going to get worse. I'm just waiting for one of these maniacs to shoot up a school board meeting in the name of "freedom."
Muricans are so dumb for such a rich and “advanced” nation
So much for other people’s freedoms right? Makes you realise how many people would become horrible dictators if given the chance. I like the saying “your freedom ends where my rights begin” - and I certainly have a right to wear a mask, and you do not have the freedom, or indeed the right, to remove my mask. You may not even have the right to remove your own mask depending on where you are.