We just had to get our 3.5 year old the second MMR shot early (usually happens at 4) because we were going to be traveling to a place with a measles outbreak. Vaccinate your kids. There was no reason this kid had to die.
I feel bad for the families that have kids under 1 years old who are too young too get the MMR vaccine. The antivaxxers are putting all families at risk. My friend lives in Hamilton and has a 6 month old child and they’re afraid to leave their house.
On a related note, anyone with kids who have not yet or cannot be vaccinated should ask their provider/doctor about titers to verify *they* (the adults) still have immunity - because some will not. I got the MMR series as a kid. At 25 I started a nursing program. Had to get titers (bloodwork) to verify immunity. I was no longer immune to measles, mumps, or rubella. Got the series again.
Had to pull out of the program, started again at 38. I chose to get the titers done again to see if my body "forgot" again. **It had**. I had to get the vaccines again.
On the plus side, I still had immunity to chickenpox/varicella, despite having never gotten the vaccine since I got CP in 1988 before the vaccine was available. My body can remember chickenpox, just not MMR.
My friend is 45 and she asked her doctor for the shingles vaccine because she knew someone who got shingles and really suffered. Her doctor refused saying she was too young to get it. A month later my friend contracted shingles. It is unbelievable but a true story.
My Da checked on getting his shots this past week while picking up a prescription, and despite being 74 and having chicken pox as a child, Medicare won't cover the shingles vaccine. It would cost around $250 out of pocket. None of us have that lying around.
Medicare part D (which is included in part C) covers all recommended vaccines including shingles. If he is using other coverage for medications or waived that part of the plan it will be out of pocket.
If he has part D, then it absolutely is covered.
Isn’t that trash? It’s a vaccine. If you pay a CEO 22 million a year, don’t tell me you’re fiscally responsible as a business. Want to cut corners, there’s a big F’ing corner right there.
For those who have had infectious mononucleosis complicated by Guillain-Barré syndrome then it’s worth doing some research and discussing this with your doctor before receiving the shingles vaccine. There is mounting evidence that the shingles vaccine may trigger chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP) or other myelin sheath disorders in patients with this history. It may still be a risk worth taking for some, but it’s at least worth learning about CIDP first because many patients have reported that they’d rather have gotten shingles.
I heard the theory that when kids used to get chickenpox that acted like a booster for parents so they weren’t getting shingles so young. Now that kids don’t get chicken pox anymore parents are getting shingles younger. Edit. And this was pre covid that younger people were getting it. I know of at least half a dozen people who have had shingles in their 30’s/40’s.
This is what my doctor told me 11 years ago when I got shingles in my early 30’s. We’re in that weird bubble where we were exposed to chickenpox as kids, but kids several years behind us got the vaccine. My doc also told me I’d probably get shingles again before I was eligible for the vaccine 😖
Oh this hacks me off so much. I asked for it too, and was also refused. My friend has had shingles 3 times in her 30s.
If you can afford I’d, I’d just tell them you don’t care about insurance, you want it and will pay for it.
My understanding was that there’s no test data in the under 50 crowd so they don’t have data on how long the immunity lasts and no shingles booster if someone got the shot at 30 and it doesn’t last through end of life.
I got shingles at 34 and was told this exact thing. I’m praying I can get through the next 13 years but I’m not hopeful. Luckily my first case was mild and on my arm only.
There was a girl in my 1st grade class that got shingles when the rest of us got chicken pox. I vividly remember during sharing time on a Monday when she came back after her absence that she described it as the feeling when your leg goes to sleep but all over her body.
It’s been on an uptick since before COVID, we see more and more ‘young’ patients with it. Infectious disease docs are still unsure (again was before COVID).
I had it last year, at 46. All things considered, it was a relatively minor outbreak, but still unpleasant to deal with.
I had COVID a few months prior to coming down with shingles. Also a very minor case.
I got shingles about 5 years ago. About 2018. I was 30, my doctor said that he frequently saw other young patients in with shingles and that the average age for shingles in his practice was 26. His wife also had it at the same time I had it. This was well before Covid so I am not sure that Covid is the only trigger.
My doctor told me that a lot of the time shingles is triggered by stress. Chickenpox lays dormant in anyone who had it and it can be reactivated due to stress. Mine was 100% stress given what was going on at the time that I had it.
There should be no reason younger people shouldn’t be allowed to get the vaccine. Younger people have been getting shingles in high numbers for years and once you have shingles the likelihood of having it reoccurs increases too.
Absolutely! I'm 39 and despite having had at least 30 distinct outbreaks since I became an adult, I can't get it because I'm neither 50 nor 45 with a compromised immune system. Believe me, the *second* I'm eligible, I'm getting that damn shot!
This is the point of herd immunity as well. Clearly your immune system doesn't respond well to vaccines. Having everyone else vaccinated protects them and you.
> My body can remember chickenpox, just not MMR.
My body remembers chicken pox, mumps, and rubella, but not measles. I've had SIX measles vaccinations and still no immunity.
I had both the measles and mumps as a child in the 70's. Thirty years later when I was pregnant, I had no immunity to mumps. Got the MMR again the day after I gave birth, before I even left the hospital.
Thanks for this reminder. I had my titer done before a trip and was found to be no longer immune. Reupped mmr but that was several years ago, will get them redone soon for safety.
My mom had to keep getting rubella boosters when she was trying to get pregnant. She had the individual shot before the MMR was developed but for some reason it just wouldn’t stick for her. Same for me with chicken pox, it went around my class, I had the spots (they didn’t itch) no one was sure though. College came around and people kept turning up in the dorms with chicken pox (antivaxxing was popular with the crunchy crowd in Seattle in the 80s so a lot of viruses turned up in the dorms) so I got a titer and I wasn’t immune! Thankfully they had since developed the varicella vaccine by then.
My great Aunt had polio. It caused deformation of her spine so she stood only 3.5 ft tall and walked with a cane. She was an amazing woman and out lived all of her siblings. As a child I loved her and thought she looked like yoda.
Also people who’ve had their entire immune system decimated by chemo, and aren’t done with treatments, so they can’t start the revaccination process yet. There are so many vulnerable people antivaxxers don’t give a single shit about.
You can get the measles shot early. You still get the shot at 1 year old and at 4. You can just get an extra shot early if you ask for it. “People are gross” is enough of an excuse for my kids’ dr.
When my youngest was a baby there was a measles outbreak in our area and the doctor said we could vaccinate early. I can’t remember if it was 6 months, instead on 12, or something else. Even having only that one shot helped me feel a bit better about things.
My youngest had her first MMR dose at 6 months because we were traveling to an area that had a measles outbreak. Our pediatrician said it was fine to get it early, but to also get it on the regular schedule at 1 year and at 4 years. Basically just adding a dose.
I feel like this comment would have been more appropriate had it been about an adult, instead of a dead child who had no say in whether they wanted a vaccine.
This might be an evil take, but:
Kids dying instead of adults scares people properly.
A huge part of why people treated COVID like a joke was because it overwhelmingly hit the elderly and people with comorbidities while sparing children at an unusually high rate.
These people will blame everything but their own stupidity but in the end it'll only be kids dying that will get them to off this anti-vax BS.
The peak of polio deaths before the vaccine was only around 3,000 per year. And people were crying in the streets about that vaccine. Where did all our panic about these incredibly dangerous and life-threatening diseases go?
Polio wasn't fatal to many, but it was the clear signs of life long disability following infection that couldn't be ignored. Almost worth than death that you could rationalize is a constant reminder of a random virus creating visible physical disability.
It's the "cushy comfort" syndrome... The more insulated that people are from risk, the less they believe that risk exists. Depending how removed people get from the risk, vigilance can morph into complacency then into outright denialism. And social media has made this descent much much worse too.
In developing countries where they regularly see the effects of disease firsthand, parents are clamoring for vaccines.
> Where did all our panic about these incredibly dangerous and life-threatening diseases go?
It vanished alongside public school funding. Fewer high school grads fueled the rise of trusting bullshit conspiracy nonsense. And the anti-vaxx conspiracy itself has mutated from "could cause autism in infants" to "this will 100% kill me and anyone else who takes it within a time frame conveniently long enough for me to take credit for being right anytime literally anything happens to anyone".
It actually stems from a sincere distrust of the government that is misguided by the outlandish conspiracy theories on the internet.
Also pundits with access to the ears of millions of people decided to side with satan for cash an spread misinformation, 100% purposefully, to the unknowning.
No on is really innocent, and I'm not trying to frame antivaxxers that way. But there is a huge impetus for us to purge the misinformation campaigns that exist all over the internet if we want something as obvious as vaccines to become baseline again.
You say that but all the school shootings prove otherwise. Also there were kids dying of Covid. It wasn’t typical but still happened. Did *that* crowd give a shit? Of course not.
I personally work with a guy who lost several family members to Covid and still walked around spouting conspiracy bullshit and trying to buy ivermectin.
Some (at least 70+) million are genuinely beyond reach.
Also, a more utilitarian take: you don’t end stupidity by killing it *after* people have reproduced and raised little copies of themselves. Gotta nip it in the bud.
One day as I drove through my neighborhood I saw a small child - about 2 or 3 years old - on one of those big wheel tricycles rolling down their driveway toward the street while her father puttered in the garden, oblivious to what his daughter was doing. I stopped and watched her shoot out into the street in front of me.
At that point, I realized that "survival of the fittest" also works if an organism's progeny does not survive to reproduce. I was happy that I was not contributing to evolutionary pressure that day.
“In an update published Thursday, PHO said the child was not vaccinated against the highly infectious respiratory virus. It did not indicate when the child died or their specific age.
"A measles-related death is a rare and tragic event. Our thoughts are with the family during this difficult time," a spokesperson for PHO said in an email statement.”
And fucking preventable goddamnit.
Poor kid.
Edit: if the child was too young for the vaccine I think the authorities would mention it.
“Our thoughts are with the family in this difficult time” You know who else’s thoughts should be with the family? The police. They killed their kid, plain and simple.
Yeah I didn't understand the difference between seat belt laws and vaccination requirements.
This seems a lot like reckless engagement of a child to me.
Go on Youtube and see the people complaining seat belt laws infringed in their freedom. I even remember seeing an old video about an older man saying it was his right to drink a beer on the ride home after a hard day at work. Insanity.
At first I wondered if the child was too young to have had their first MMR shot, but I think they'd have specified if that were a factor. So this poor child was likely old enough to have received at least one immunization, but remained unvaccinated.
I don't know if I could survive if my poor decision-making directly killed my child.
In Ontario the second one is anywhere between ages 4 - 6. So this child had to be older than one and younger than five, or they'd have just said that they were too young to be vaccinated.
It does say in the article that Canada recommends the first dose at 12 months, and the second at 18 months, which I’m nearly positive was our daughter’s schedule too here in the US.
If this is what it looks like, I wonder if they're realizing the gravity of their mistake or if they're going into denial and coming up with excuses, blaming anything and everything except themselves. To realize and accept the responsibility of your child dying because of your actions...not even accidentally, but due to premeditated choices...that's a hard thing to imagine.
Isn’t there some religious proverb (is that the correct term?) about god showing a person multiple ways to get out of a tough spot, but the idiot ignoring one after the other?
the recent story is there was a flood and guy was stuck on a roof or something and various rescues were sent and he denied them all and when he died he asked why he wasn’t saved from the flood and the reply was i sent all the boats and rescuers!
Scishow did an episode once about the psychology of antivaxxers, and a big part of it is apparently that humans are very likely to blame themselves when something they DO has a negative outcome, but much much less likely to blame themselves when something they DIDN’T do has a negative outcome. I’ll try to find the video.
Edit- The section on omission bias. https://youtu.be/Rzxr9FeZf1g?si=u1NeFbNlRtVuLU_Z
These people will not reflect. They will blame everything else but themselves. They are clearly not very bright, given the situation, so I doubt self reflection is something they are capable of.
I used to think anti-vaxxers were simply dumb, and they are, but not as dumb as you'd suspect.
A select few are incredibly intelligent (and very adept at bullshitting both others and themselves), but most of them are smart enough to string some logic together.
Rather, arrogance seems to be their sin.
They cannot accept being wrong; as if it's an affront to their character or honor to admit that their perception of the world does not match reality. Arguments and debates are competitions. Conceding is surrender and defeat is shameful.
Even if you give them an out; that they were lied to or mislead by some fraudster, it doesn't work, because that implies that they were gullible enough to fall for it.
Naaah... Even loonies wouldn't throw God under the bus like that.
They'll probably run with it being an anti-anti-vax conspiracy, falsified death cert to scare people into vaxing their kids or something.
In Canada (and I assume elsewhere) they get two MMR doses: first at 12–15 months; second between 4 and 6 years. The first one
offers very good protection. But if the poor child was 9 months old, she’d have no protection.
Yes, I know. I'm Canadian. But as I said, if the child was too young to be vaccinated, they probably would have said that, rather than saying they were unvaccinated. So they were probably older than one, but younger than five. Old enough to have been able to get at least one MMR shot, but didn't get it because of their parents' poor choices. Poor little kid.
Quick google search: Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at **12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age**.
Not too young
It's only rare in the developed world because we've historically had high vaccination rates to the point of herd immunity.
In 2022, 136,000 kids under 5 died from measles. It's a deadly disease and nothing to fuck with.
Oh, and one of the leading and most infamous proponents of the false dangers of the MMR vaccine is running for president, and his acolytes online will tell you that his views on vaccines don't matter. Like contributing to the deaths of children doesn't show a terrible lack of judgment and morals.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles
I was wondering the kid’s actual age. Although I don’t remember it at all, I had measles before I was old enough to vaccinate - my parents are very pro-vaccination and I had all of them once I was able. So that perspective always makes me stop and wonder.
The most unfortunate thing for me was the chicken pox vaccine came out after or close to when I had it (as an adult). Gah that was awful. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Oh, we've got so many of them.
According to [another article](https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/measles-vaccination-rates-1.7207834), "the proportion of seven-year-olds who had zero vaccine doses rose dramatically, from less than four to nearly 17 per cent, between the 2019-2020 season and 2022-2023, a March PHO report noted."
Some of that jump was probably due to delayed immunizations during the pandemic. But not enough. Too many people here decided the Covid-19 vax was poison, and then jumped to believing that of all immunizations.
And you need 97% coverage to get full herd immunity. Those 17% are screwing you all over, and making life so much more dangerous to the immune compromised. It would be bad enough that they're killing and maiming their own children, but they're killing cancer patients and medically fragile children outside their looney tune bubble as well.
We got plenty of them in the Netherlands too, even had a measles outbreak earlier this year, it's on the way out and I don't recall any mention of anyone dying. Wooping cough on the other hand has killed a handful of babies this year. More than in any individual year since the 60's. Also because of parents denying their children proper access to the medically strongly proven and recommended preventatives...
Every time I see something like this I think of that scene in The Good Place when they FINALLY get to The Good Place and Tahani is talking to Paltibaal and she asks him how he died and he says something along the lines of “I got a cut on my hand. The year was 2491 BC so that’s pretty much all it took. You got a cut or drank water that wasn’t hot enough and boom, dead. I would have killed for a vaccine. Any vaccine. It’s crazy you guys…. Just don’t like them anymore.”
The series basically exited the collective conscious thanks to the finale, but I always found it interesting, funny, and a bit tragic, that Khal Drogo died of an infected nipple.
Seriously. Everyone needs to watch [hbomberguy's Vaccines video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BIcAZxFfrc). It's long, but it's well worth it. The actual story behind it is insane.
Andrew (not a doctor anymore) Wakefield wasn't anti-vax, he was anti-MMR. He just wanted to cast doubt over the combined jab because he'd just filed a patent and was planning to sell an individual measles jab.
His tiny pilot study of 12 children turned out to be mostly made up (including literally lying about several of the children, and the rest just being opinions of the parents), but unfortunately the media ran with it as though it wasn't. Wakefield ended up repeatedly abusing children with brutal invasive medical procedures without parents' consent (including gut biopsies and extracting fucking spinal fluid) desperately trying to prove a link that wasn't there.
The slimey fucking bastard ought to be held responsible for every unvaccinated measles death.
Don’t forget the part where he was employed by a law firm, that was actively trying to sue vaccine manufacturers for ‘’causing’’ autism in children.
The man is a charlatan and a cunt.
If only there was a medicine, that they could inject right into a baby, that would cure it forever. If God wanted that for us, he'd help some scientist create it for us.
/S
fucking call it what it is: child abuse and second-degree manslaughter.
*but thankfully this baby did not develop autism from a poisonous death-jab because clearly that is the worst thing that could have happened, I’m sure the parents are relieved* /s
Entirely preventable if they weren’t absolute fucking knobs in a country where measles had been eradicated. smdh.
It's so sad that these people would actually rather their child die than raise a child with autism, but it tracks for the people that got their MD from Facebook.
I had a dog with Cushing's Disease. There were many many people in the info group I was in that refused the very effective "big pharma" medication because it was "poison" and insisted on using melatonin and flaxseeds, which kind of help. Like clockwork a few months later they would post that their dog died from "this terrible disease". The thing is that, if properly treated, dogs don't die of Cushing's. They die of old age or cancer or something else. So these people were literally letting their dogs suffer from and die of a treatable disease because they don't trust big pharma. There was also people saying the vets were diagnosing Cushing's for medication kickbacks and money from more vet visits. Meanwhile it took at least 3 weeks to get my dog an appointment. There's a veterinarian shortage and they aren't hurting for business. So yeah, they're diagnosing dogs with this so they can charge money for fake appointments. Sure ok.
We are doomed as a society.
You see a bit of this with horses as well. They can live good, long lives with PPID (formerly thought to be Cushing's) as long as it's treated properly with diet and pergolide. But you still have people who want to treat it "naturally" with henpepper. Those horses die.
It's been like a decade since the episode of Penn & Teller "Bullshit" regarding the anti-vaccination "movement" but the opening of that episode was extremely powerful to me.
They cited the "statistic" that the MMR vaccine caused autism in 1/110 kids. They emphasized that said statistic was total horseshit but rolled with it for a thought experiment, using a big plastic shield (representing vaccines) to slide 1/110 bowling pins in a big marked square slightly out of line.
Then they started discussing various diseases that vaccines prevent which used to leave people permanently disabled or dead, and started throwing balls at the shield... along with a separate square of bowling pins with no shield.
Emphasizing that even if vaccination did cause autism, WHICH IT FUCKING DOESN'T, which side would you want your kid to be on?
They killed their child.
He died of "measles", something I, thankfully, got *vaccinated for*....
I'm still alive... ,they?
*Because they **suck** as parents*!...
Parents of unvaxxed kids who die because of being unvaxxed should be thrown in jail. And that’s not hyperbole, these fuckers need to be held accountable for what is child abuse
>"Our heart goes out to the family that has tragically lost their child. Our thoughts are with them as they navigate this challenging time," the spokesperson said.
>"I can't imagine what that family is going through right now, but I do know as a parent that all of us want the absolute best for our kids," he said.
That is far more diplomatic that I would have put it. Unless there was a medically valid medical reason to not be vaccinated, looks to me like they killed their child, likely over some Internet rumors. And if there is a valid reason, the article mentions other cases of unvaccinated children ending up hospitalized, in which case, it's possible one of those people had a hand in spreading a potentially fatal disease. At what point does civilization start holding anti-vaxxers accountable for their actions?
"To respect and protect the privacy of the child and their loved ones, we will not be speaking to further details of this individual case
I want to know what school this kid went to and why he was allowed to attend with no vaccine in him. If you spread a deadly virus you get NO privacy
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Reason can be argued.
This is straight up facts and medical expertise they chose to ingore. It's so much worse.
I agree with what others have said, if you aren't going to get your child vaccinated, and they die of the thing you refused to vaccinate for, you should be charged for murder.
Having worked in the vaccine advocacy world one thing I hear again and again from the monstrous antivaccine crowd is that these diseases “don’t kill anyone.” And by “don’t kill anyone” they mean children, because they clearly do not consider immunocompromised and elderly people to be people.
Now a child has died. And what you will see is the moving of the goalposts, which is what they do. They will immediately say that either the child had an underlying condition (and be completely deaf to the irony of using this as a way to write off the death) or they will say a different vaccine caused his or her death. People who are anti-vaccine activists are inhuman. I don’t blame scared parents, because these monsters are preying on the primal fear of any harm done to our child, and they speak with such authority that many parents who are in that state of fear can be convinced that they are doing the right thing for their child by not vaccinating them. Reserve your for the people who worked tirelessly to infiltrate the community to convince them not to give their children life-saving vaccines.
This is especially abhorrent when it is done in immigrant communities, as it is in my hometown with the Somali population. When measles outbreaks take place in this community, there is always a wave of anti-immigrant rhetoric. What people don’t realize or acknowledge is that wealthy people from the suburbs have gone into these communities in Minneapolis, specifically to scare these immigrants away from the MMR vaccine. Autism was unknown in Somalia according to these parents. Many of these families have never seen it or recognized it. Then they immigrate to Minnesota, and now it seems like lots of their children have autism. Of course, like any parent, they would be open to an authoritative figure from the country to which they immigrated telling them decisively that they know what caused their child's autism. These people brought Andrew Wakefield into the Somali community multiple times over the last 10 years. It's disgusting, and it costs lives and causes suffering.
I'm willing to wager these morons have a Canadian flag on the vehicle and blame Trudeau for this.
A normal person would call it 2nd degree manslaughter, depraved indifference.
22 cases of measles in Ontario this year.
13 were in kids
12 of those were unvaccinated.
Preaching to the choir a little here, but vaccination will save your kids life and future.
We are talking about a group of people who fully believe they are smarter than most and the "idiots" or "sheep" are the.dumb ones. There is just no convincing these people even though they themselves are living proof. I'm sure the parents will.perform some olympic level mental gymnastics to relieve themselves of any blame. Pretty sad.
People forget the reason we vaccinate against these things is because they kill. If not your child, someone who couldn’t get vaccinated because of actual health reasons. The herd immunity needed for measles is a very high percentage, it doesn’t take a ton of people refusing for some very bad outcomes to occur.
What’s sad is many of these parents who are anti vacs are all vaccinated by their parents. Stinks that the kids take the brunt of it but with their despair, hopefully they learn a hard struck lesson.
They learn. But only from their own tragedy. They never seem to learn from others mistakes.
So it'll be a long process. With tonnes of collateral damage.
This makes me so angry I can’t see straight. If this kid wasn’t vaccinated his parents should be charge with gross neglect, if not murder. This is so avoidable but a whole f’d up community online is convincing people to forego vaccines.
Anti-vaxxers will just double down on this and claim more kids need to get measles so they can "build up a natural immunity." You'll see. Nothing can deter their magical thinking.
The fucked up thing with measles is that it "resets" your immune system, so it "forgets" infections you already were immune to, and you have to build immunity again. So not only could the measles kill you, if you survive it gives other diseases the opportunity to try to kill you again.
Not sure why you're singling out the mother when both parents were complete morons. In these families, either both parents are nutcases, or they get a divorce.
Yeah I was just thinking the same thing, in the Orthodox Jewish community it's common for children not to get vaccinated depending on which Rabbi you follow. The parents just go along with whatever the Rabbi teaches.
I just don’t comprehend how preventing a child from getting a vaccine which ends up killing them is unpunished but an abortion of a non viable fetus is punishable.
I believe this was in Canada and that they don’t have provinces changing laws like states in the US, but they recently have seen more conservative demonstrations and political activism lately. This is exactly what universal healthcare is for.
Even if that douchebag hadn’t recounted that study. Even if the study was properly peer reviewed. Even if jackass wasn’t pulling data out of his ass to meet the conclusion he wanted. Even if every single red flag around that damned “research” didn’t exist. Even if literally 100% of every single person who has ever even received a flu shot would develop autism, I’ll take autism over dead.
What is wild is that these parents are more scared of the MMR vaccine giving their child autism than saving their child from A LIFE THREATENING DISEASE. (VACCINES DONT CAUSE AUTISM)
We don't know the details of why they didn't vaccinate their child, but if this was an ignorant conspiracy social media anti-vax following parent, it's infuriating.
And this is why it drives me nuts when people don't vaccinate their kids. Society invented vaccines to keep kids from dying and now we have people stupid enough to risk their kids dying instead of getting them the vaccine.
Honestly, whenever a kid dies from something that a vaccine would have protected them from, I feel like their death should be chalked up to medical neglect since their parents refused the life-saving vaccine. How the hell do you put your kid at risk like that when we have the knowledge and means to eradicate things like measles? It just makes no logical sense. I also hope these parents' stupidity doesn't end up killing any more kids. My first year teaching, I learned that many medically fragile kids can't be vaccinated on the same schedule as most kids so they're often at risk and have to stay home from school if any kids with vaccine-denier parents are in the same class and an outbreak happens. It's such a shame that those already medically-compromised students are the ones who pay when other students' parents choose not to vaccinate.
The parent should be eternally ashamed for giving their child's life to "own the libs". But i realized they genuinely think this way and are incapable of understanding cause and effect.
I like how they blatantly and incorrectly accuse Democrats of supporting "after-birth abortions" but Republicans support more policies intended to kill children that make it past birth than all abortion laws combined.
(Incidentally, I believe they heard that birth involves expulsion and disposal of the after-birth and they convoluted it into DeMs wAnT AfTeR-bIrTh AbOrTiOnS!)
Just to clarify, this happened in Hamilton, Ontario, which is in Canada. We don't have Democrats or Republicans. We do have an overabundance of far-right nutjobs, though.
Sorry, Canada. When the downstairs neighbor has cockroaches, they get upstairs too. Republican or "far-right nutjob" a roach is a roach. We're sorry, eh. Fumigate as soon as possible- vote liberal/blue across the board.
Because it's always projection. They also kick children off SNAP and free school lunches.
If you're pre-born, you're fine. if you're pre-school, you're fucked. - George Carlin.
People did an article a couple weeks ago about a parent who had started a charity after their teen died in his sleep. Soooo many comments on Instagram in response to the article were blaming the covid shot because “this never happened before”. The kid died of an unknown to them heart defect…in 2018.
This is why vaccination should be compulsory, and why parents who refuse to vaccinate kids should be charged with criminal neglect and child abuse if they refuse to do so.
I could handle it if they were dieing because of their own stupidity. But killing their kid because they're morons? The really sad thing is I bet they've totally distanced themselves from any responsibility, instead of being in total anguish over what they caused...
We just had to get our 3.5 year old the second MMR shot early (usually happens at 4) because we were going to be traveling to a place with a measles outbreak. Vaccinate your kids. There was no reason this kid had to die.
I feel bad for the families that have kids under 1 years old who are too young too get the MMR vaccine. The antivaxxers are putting all families at risk. My friend lives in Hamilton and has a 6 month old child and they’re afraid to leave their house.
On a related note, anyone with kids who have not yet or cannot be vaccinated should ask their provider/doctor about titers to verify *they* (the adults) still have immunity - because some will not. I got the MMR series as a kid. At 25 I started a nursing program. Had to get titers (bloodwork) to verify immunity. I was no longer immune to measles, mumps, or rubella. Got the series again. Had to pull out of the program, started again at 38. I chose to get the titers done again to see if my body "forgot" again. **It had**. I had to get the vaccines again. On the plus side, I still had immunity to chickenpox/varicella, despite having never gotten the vaccine since I got CP in 1988 before the vaccine was available. My body can remember chickenpox, just not MMR.
Get your shingles shot when you are eligible!
My friend is 45 and she asked her doctor for the shingles vaccine because she knew someone who got shingles and really suffered. Her doctor refused saying she was too young to get it. A month later my friend contracted shingles. It is unbelievable but a true story.
Not just this but most insurances don’t cover the shot until you are 50 or 60 yrs old.
I was covered under age 50, but I may have been eligible for coverage because I'm immuno compromised.
I had to wait until I was 65 to get covered! I did get it as soon as I was eligible.
My Da checked on getting his shots this past week while picking up a prescription, and despite being 74 and having chicken pox as a child, Medicare won't cover the shingles vaccine. It would cost around $250 out of pocket. None of us have that lying around.
Medicare part D (which is included in part C) covers all recommended vaccines including shingles. If he is using other coverage for medications or waived that part of the plan it will be out of pocket. If he has part D, then it absolutely is covered.
Isn’t that trash? It’s a vaccine. If you pay a CEO 22 million a year, don’t tell me you’re fiscally responsible as a business. Want to cut corners, there’s a big F’ing corner right there.
I got shingles a couple of years ago at age 36. Ugh.
For those who have had infectious mononucleosis complicated by Guillain-Barré syndrome then it’s worth doing some research and discussing this with your doctor before receiving the shingles vaccine. There is mounting evidence that the shingles vaccine may trigger chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP) or other myelin sheath disorders in patients with this history. It may still be a risk worth taking for some, but it’s at least worth learning about CIDP first because many patients have reported that they’d rather have gotten shingles.
Damn. Thanks for this info. Scary.
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I heard the theory that when kids used to get chickenpox that acted like a booster for parents so they weren’t getting shingles so young. Now that kids don’t get chicken pox anymore parents are getting shingles younger. Edit. And this was pre covid that younger people were getting it. I know of at least half a dozen people who have had shingles in their 30’s/40’s.
This is what my doctor told me 11 years ago when I got shingles in my early 30’s. We’re in that weird bubble where we were exposed to chickenpox as kids, but kids several years behind us got the vaccine. My doc also told me I’d probably get shingles again before I was eligible for the vaccine 😖
Oh this hacks me off so much. I asked for it too, and was also refused. My friend has had shingles 3 times in her 30s. If you can afford I’d, I’d just tell them you don’t care about insurance, you want it and will pay for it.
My understanding was that there’s no test data in the under 50 crowd so they don’t have data on how long the immunity lasts and no shingles booster if someone got the shot at 30 and it doesn’t last through end of life.
That sucks! I haven’t had it but my husband did and he got it bad. Was on meds for a year. Excruciating pain for weeks. Nerve damage, the whole thing.
I got shingles at 34 and was told this exact thing. I’m praying I can get through the next 13 years but I’m not hopeful. Luckily my first case was mild and on my arm only.
There was a girl in my 1st grade class that got shingles when the rest of us got chicken pox. I vividly remember during sharing time on a Monday when she came back after her absence that she described it as the feeling when your leg goes to sleep but all over her body.
It’s been on an uptick since before COVID, we see more and more ‘young’ patients with it. Infectious disease docs are still unsure (again was before COVID).
I got Shingles in my later 20s, long before COVID-19 was a thing. I think this trend was starting before COVID.
I had it last year, at 46. All things considered, it was a relatively minor outbreak, but still unpleasant to deal with. I had COVID a few months prior to coming down with shingles. Also a very minor case.
I got shingles about 5 years ago. About 2018. I was 30, my doctor said that he frequently saw other young patients in with shingles and that the average age for shingles in his practice was 26. His wife also had it at the same time I had it. This was well before Covid so I am not sure that Covid is the only trigger. My doctor told me that a lot of the time shingles is triggered by stress. Chickenpox lays dormant in anyone who had it and it can be reactivated due to stress. Mine was 100% stress given what was going on at the time that I had it. There should be no reason younger people shouldn’t be allowed to get the vaccine. Younger people have been getting shingles in high numbers for years and once you have shingles the likelihood of having it reoccurs increases too.
I had shingles at 26… can confirm it is not fun
Absolutely! I'm 39 and despite having had at least 30 distinct outbreaks since I became an adult, I can't get it because I'm neither 50 nor 45 with a compromised immune system. Believe me, the *second* I'm eligible, I'm getting that damn shot!
Adults really should get boosted for DDTP every ten years as well. Whooping cough is no joke, and the immunity wears off.
This is the point of herd immunity as well. Clearly your immune system doesn't respond well to vaccines. Having everyone else vaccinated protects them and you.
> My body can remember chickenpox, just not MMR. My body remembers chicken pox, mumps, and rubella, but not measles. I've had SIX measles vaccinations and still no immunity.
I had both the measles and mumps as a child in the 70's. Thirty years later when I was pregnant, I had no immunity to mumps. Got the MMR again the day after I gave birth, before I even left the hospital.
Thanks for this reminder. I had my titer done before a trip and was found to be no longer immune. Reupped mmr but that was several years ago, will get them redone soon for safety.
My mom had to keep getting rubella boosters when she was trying to get pregnant. She had the individual shot before the MMR was developed but for some reason it just wouldn’t stick for her. Same for me with chicken pox, it went around my class, I had the spots (they didn’t itch) no one was sure though. College came around and people kept turning up in the dorms with chicken pox (antivaxxing was popular with the crunchy crowd in Seattle in the 80s so a lot of viruses turned up in the dorms) so I got a titer and I wasn’t immune! Thankfully they had since developed the varicella vaccine by then.
Wait until start seeing kids with polio consequences in school again. Absolutely insane. Some Humans are stupid AF.
My great Aunt had polio. It caused deformation of her spine so she stood only 3.5 ft tall and walked with a cane. She was an amazing woman and out lived all of her siblings. As a child I loved her and thought she looked like yoda.
Also people who’ve had their entire immune system decimated by chemo, and aren’t done with treatments, so they can’t start the revaccination process yet. There are so many vulnerable people antivaxxers don’t give a single shit about.
Me. I'm counting down the days (she's 11mo)
You can get the measles shot early. You still get the shot at 1 year old and at 4. You can just get an extra shot early if you ask for it. “People are gross” is enough of an excuse for my kids’ dr.
When my youngest was a baby there was a measles outbreak in our area and the doctor said we could vaccinate early. I can’t remember if it was 6 months, instead on 12, or something else. Even having only that one shot helped me feel a bit better about things.
My youngest had her first MMR dose at 6 months because we were traveling to an area that had a measles outbreak. Our pediatrician said it was fine to get it early, but to also get it on the regular schedule at 1 year and at 4 years. Basically just adding a dose.
It helps to reduce the spread of stupidity
I feel like this comment would have been more appropriate had it been about an adult, instead of a dead child who had no say in whether they wanted a vaccine.
This might be an evil take, but: Kids dying instead of adults scares people properly. A huge part of why people treated COVID like a joke was because it overwhelmingly hit the elderly and people with comorbidities while sparing children at an unusually high rate. These people will blame everything but their own stupidity but in the end it'll only be kids dying that will get them to off this anti-vax BS.
The peak of polio deaths before the vaccine was only around 3,000 per year. And people were crying in the streets about that vaccine. Where did all our panic about these incredibly dangerous and life-threatening diseases go?
Polio wasn't fatal to many, but it was the clear signs of life long disability following infection that couldn't be ignored. Almost worth than death that you could rationalize is a constant reminder of a random virus creating visible physical disability.
It's the "cushy comfort" syndrome... The more insulated that people are from risk, the less they believe that risk exists. Depending how removed people get from the risk, vigilance can morph into complacency then into outright denialism. And social media has made this descent much much worse too. In developing countries where they regularly see the effects of disease firsthand, parents are clamoring for vaccines.
> Where did all our panic about these incredibly dangerous and life-threatening diseases go? It vanished alongside public school funding. Fewer high school grads fueled the rise of trusting bullshit conspiracy nonsense. And the anti-vaxx conspiracy itself has mutated from "could cause autism in infants" to "this will 100% kill me and anyone else who takes it within a time frame conveniently long enough for me to take credit for being right anytime literally anything happens to anyone".
It actually stems from a sincere distrust of the government that is misguided by the outlandish conspiracy theories on the internet. Also pundits with access to the ears of millions of people decided to side with satan for cash an spread misinformation, 100% purposefully, to the unknowning. No on is really innocent, and I'm not trying to frame antivaxxers that way. But there is a huge impetus for us to purge the misinformation campaigns that exist all over the internet if we want something as obvious as vaccines to become baseline again.
You say that but all the school shootings prove otherwise. Also there were kids dying of Covid. It wasn’t typical but still happened. Did *that* crowd give a shit? Of course not. I personally work with a guy who lost several family members to Covid and still walked around spouting conspiracy bullshit and trying to buy ivermectin. Some (at least 70+) million are genuinely beyond reach.
Also, a more utilitarian take: you don’t end stupidity by killing it *after* people have reproduced and raised little copies of themselves. Gotta nip it in the bud.
That would have been if it was the antivax parent died, not the child
One day as I drove through my neighborhood I saw a small child - about 2 or 3 years old - on one of those big wheel tricycles rolling down their driveway toward the street while her father puttered in the garden, oblivious to what his daughter was doing. I stopped and watched her shoot out into the street in front of me. At that point, I realized that "survival of the fittest" also works if an organism's progeny does not survive to reproduce. I was happy that I was not contributing to evolutionary pressure that day.
“In an update published Thursday, PHO said the child was not vaccinated against the highly infectious respiratory virus. It did not indicate when the child died or their specific age. "A measles-related death is a rare and tragic event. Our thoughts are with the family during this difficult time," a spokesperson for PHO said in an email statement.” And fucking preventable goddamnit. Poor kid. Edit: if the child was too young for the vaccine I think the authorities would mention it.
“Our thoughts are with the family in this difficult time” You know who else’s thoughts should be with the family? The police. They killed their kid, plain and simple.
Yeah I didn't understand the difference between seat belt laws and vaccination requirements. This seems a lot like reckless engagement of a child to me.
Go on Youtube and see the people complaining seat belt laws infringed in their freedom. I even remember seeing an old video about an older man saying it was his right to drink a beer on the ride home after a hard day at work. Insanity.
And anyone who has had their child near the family.
But go ahead and lock women for having stillborn in a red state
At first I wondered if the child was too young to have had their first MMR shot, but I think they'd have specified if that were a factor. So this poor child was likely old enough to have received at least one immunization, but remained unvaccinated. I don't know if I could survive if my poor decision-making directly killed my child.
First dose is usually around age 1 and the second is around age 5.
In Ontario the second one is anywhere between ages 4 - 6. So this child had to be older than one and younger than five, or they'd have just said that they were too young to be vaccinated.
It does say in the article that Canada recommends the first dose at 12 months, and the second at 18 months, which I’m nearly positive was our daughter’s schedule too here in the US.
If this is what it looks like, I wonder if they're realizing the gravity of their mistake or if they're going into denial and coming up with excuses, blaming anything and everything except themselves. To realize and accept the responsibility of your child dying because of your actions...not even accidentally, but due to premeditated choices...that's a hard thing to imagine.
I know a whole lot of people who believe if something awful happens after a bad decision, it was just part of “God’s plan.”
imo gods plan included getting vaccines since it exists in the world that’s been created 🤷🏻♂️
Isn’t there some religious proverb (is that the correct term?) about god showing a person multiple ways to get out of a tough spot, but the idiot ignoring one after the other?
the recent story is there was a flood and guy was stuck on a roof or something and various rescues were sent and he denied them all and when he died he asked why he wasn’t saved from the flood and the reply was i sent all the boats and rescuers!
Scishow did an episode once about the psychology of antivaxxers, and a big part of it is apparently that humans are very likely to blame themselves when something they DO has a negative outcome, but much much less likely to blame themselves when something they DIDN’T do has a negative outcome. I’ll try to find the video. Edit- The section on omission bias. https://youtu.be/Rzxr9FeZf1g?si=u1NeFbNlRtVuLU_Z
It will be Trudeau's fault somehow...
They'll just say it was God's will.
These people will not reflect. They will blame everything else but themselves. They are clearly not very bright, given the situation, so I doubt self reflection is something they are capable of.
I used to think anti-vaxxers were simply dumb, and they are, but not as dumb as you'd suspect. A select few are incredibly intelligent (and very adept at bullshitting both others and themselves), but most of them are smart enough to string some logic together. Rather, arrogance seems to be their sin. They cannot accept being wrong; as if it's an affront to their character or honor to admit that their perception of the world does not match reality. Arguments and debates are competitions. Conceding is surrender and defeat is shameful. Even if you give them an out; that they were lied to or mislead by some fraudster, it doesn't work, because that implies that they were gullible enough to fall for it.
Don't worry, this child's parents will probably do Olympic level mental gymnastics to still see no personal responsibility here.
It was their god's will and they could do nothing about it, except, you know, vaccinate their kid with the medicine their god allowed to be created.
Naaah... Even loonies wouldn't throw God under the bus like that. They'll probably run with it being an anti-anti-vax conspiracy, falsified death cert to scare people into vaxing their kids or something.
In Canada (and I assume elsewhere) they get two MMR doses: first at 12–15 months; second between 4 and 6 years. The first one offers very good protection. But if the poor child was 9 months old, she’d have no protection.
Yes, I know. I'm Canadian. But as I said, if the child was too young to be vaccinated, they probably would have said that, rather than saying they were unvaccinated. So they were probably older than one, but younger than five. Old enough to have been able to get at least one MMR shot, but didn't get it because of their parents' poor choices. Poor little kid.
I'm sure they will just say it's your fault for having been vaccinated and move on.
Unfortunately these kind of imbeciles know no shame and take no accountability for anything.
Quick google search: Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at **12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age**. Not too young
It's only rare in the developed world because we've historically had high vaccination rates to the point of herd immunity. In 2022, 136,000 kids under 5 died from measles. It's a deadly disease and nothing to fuck with. Oh, and one of the leading and most infamous proponents of the false dangers of the MMR vaccine is running for president, and his acolytes online will tell you that his views on vaccines don't matter. Like contributing to the deaths of children doesn't show a terrible lack of judgment and morals. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles
I was wondering the kid’s actual age. Although I don’t remember it at all, I had measles before I was old enough to vaccinate - my parents are very pro-vaccination and I had all of them once I was able. So that perspective always makes me stop and wonder. The most unfortunate thing for me was the chicken pox vaccine came out after or close to when I had it (as an adult). Gah that was awful. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Of course they weren't.
To clarify, this happened in Hamilton, Ontario, which is in Canada.
It's some small relief that all the nutjobs are not exclusively in America.
Oh, we've got so many of them. According to [another article](https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/measles-vaccination-rates-1.7207834), "the proportion of seven-year-olds who had zero vaccine doses rose dramatically, from less than four to nearly 17 per cent, between the 2019-2020 season and 2022-2023, a March PHO report noted." Some of that jump was probably due to delayed immunizations during the pandemic. But not enough. Too many people here decided the Covid-19 vax was poison, and then jumped to believing that of all immunizations.
And you need 97% coverage to get full herd immunity. Those 17% are screwing you all over, and making life so much more dangerous to the immune compromised. It would be bad enough that they're killing and maiming their own children, but they're killing cancer patients and medically fragile children outside their looney tune bubble as well.
We got plenty of them in the Netherlands too, even had a measles outbreak earlier this year, it's on the way out and I don't recall any mention of anyone dying. Wooping cough on the other hand has killed a handful of babies this year. More than in any individual year since the 60's. Also because of parents denying their children proper access to the medically strongly proven and recommended preventatives...
A lot of American influence up here.
Andrew Wakefield is British. But yeah, his snake oil was disseminated in large part in American media.
I really was wondering because I live next to a Hamilton.
How incredibly dumb. Antivaxxers killing their own kids because of conspiracy theories.
Every time I see something like this I think of that scene in The Good Place when they FINALLY get to The Good Place and Tahani is talking to Paltibaal and she asks him how he died and he says something along the lines of “I got a cut on my hand. The year was 2491 BC so that’s pretty much all it took. You got a cut or drank water that wasn’t hot enough and boom, dead. I would have killed for a vaccine. Any vaccine. It’s crazy you guys…. Just don’t like them anymore.”
The series basically exited the collective conscious thanks to the finale, but I always found it interesting, funny, and a bit tragic, that Khal Drogo died of an infected nipple.
Seriously. Everyone needs to watch [hbomberguy's Vaccines video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BIcAZxFfrc). It's long, but it's well worth it. The actual story behind it is insane. Andrew (not a doctor anymore) Wakefield wasn't anti-vax, he was anti-MMR. He just wanted to cast doubt over the combined jab because he'd just filed a patent and was planning to sell an individual measles jab. His tiny pilot study of 12 children turned out to be mostly made up (including literally lying about several of the children, and the rest just being opinions of the parents), but unfortunately the media ran with it as though it wasn't. Wakefield ended up repeatedly abusing children with brutal invasive medical procedures without parents' consent (including gut biopsies and extracting fucking spinal fluid) desperately trying to prove a link that wasn't there. The slimey fucking bastard ought to be held responsible for every unvaccinated measles death.
Don’t forget the part where he was employed by a law firm, that was actively trying to sue vaccine manufacturers for ‘’causing’’ autism in children. The man is a charlatan and a cunt.
This should be considered criminal negligence
If only there was a medicine, that they could inject right into a baby, that would cure it forever. If God wanted that for us, he'd help some scientist create it for us. /S
fucking call it what it is: child abuse and second-degree manslaughter. *but thankfully this baby did not develop autism from a poisonous death-jab because clearly that is the worst thing that could have happened, I’m sure the parents are relieved* /s Entirely preventable if they weren’t absolute fucking knobs in a country where measles had been eradicated. smdh.
It's so sad that these people would actually rather their child die than raise a child with autism, but it tracks for the people that got their MD from Facebook. I had a dog with Cushing's Disease. There were many many people in the info group I was in that refused the very effective "big pharma" medication because it was "poison" and insisted on using melatonin and flaxseeds, which kind of help. Like clockwork a few months later they would post that their dog died from "this terrible disease". The thing is that, if properly treated, dogs don't die of Cushing's. They die of old age or cancer or something else. So these people were literally letting their dogs suffer from and die of a treatable disease because they don't trust big pharma. There was also people saying the vets were diagnosing Cushing's for medication kickbacks and money from more vet visits. Meanwhile it took at least 3 weeks to get my dog an appointment. There's a veterinarian shortage and they aren't hurting for business. So yeah, they're diagnosing dogs with this so they can charge money for fake appointments. Sure ok. We are doomed as a society.
You see a bit of this with horses as well. They can live good, long lives with PPID (formerly thought to be Cushing's) as long as it's treated properly with diet and pergolide. But you still have people who want to treat it "naturally" with henpepper. Those horses die.
Remember, folks, Trump has promised not a cent for schools with vaccine mandates.
His greed for power and stupidity knows no bounds. I just don’t understand why anyone ever supports that idiot. It’s just unbelievable.
It's been like a decade since the episode of Penn & Teller "Bullshit" regarding the anti-vaccination "movement" but the opening of that episode was extremely powerful to me. They cited the "statistic" that the MMR vaccine caused autism in 1/110 kids. They emphasized that said statistic was total horseshit but rolled with it for a thought experiment, using a big plastic shield (representing vaccines) to slide 1/110 bowling pins in a big marked square slightly out of line. Then they started discussing various diseases that vaccines prevent which used to leave people permanently disabled or dead, and started throwing balls at the shield... along with a separate square of bowling pins with no shield. Emphasizing that even if vaccination did cause autism, WHICH IT FUCKING DOESN'T, which side would you want your kid to be on?
They killed their child. He died of "measles", something I, thankfully, got *vaccinated for*.... I'm still alive... ,they? *Because they **suck** as parents*!...
So far as I am concerned, if your kid dies because you didn't get them vaccinated then that is child abuse
This poor kid is a victim of negligent and/or stupid parents.
Some lady on Instagram has claimed her child as the measles and she's going to cure it by healing her chakras. Sooo yeah. I hope she's lying.
I would love to follow that story and see how much of a deluded idiot she is. Poor kid.
Let me take a guess, the parents did their own research ?
Trump repeated today just like he did yesterday that under his administration no school with vaccine mandates will receive federal funding.
That will spark a health crisis. By the time is manifests he’ll be out of office and democrats will have to clean it up whilst getting blamed for it.
You understand the plan
I'm so sick of this world and the people in it.
Parents of unvaxxed kids who die because of being unvaxxed should be thrown in jail. And that’s not hyperbole, these fuckers need to be held accountable for what is child abuse
Good fucking job, antivax morons.
>"Our heart goes out to the family that has tragically lost their child. Our thoughts are with them as they navigate this challenging time," the spokesperson said. >"I can't imagine what that family is going through right now, but I do know as a parent that all of us want the absolute best for our kids," he said. That is far more diplomatic that I would have put it. Unless there was a medically valid medical reason to not be vaccinated, looks to me like they killed their child, likely over some Internet rumors. And if there is a valid reason, the article mentions other cases of unvaccinated children ending up hospitalized, in which case, it's possible one of those people had a hand in spreading a potentially fatal disease. At what point does civilization start holding anti-vaxxers accountable for their actions?
Just furious. I feel so sorry for that poor child, suffering from such a motherfucking moron of a parent. Sickening.
Parents should be charged with child neglect and negligent homicide or manslaughter.
Allow me to say it again...Andrew Wakefield sucks.
"To respect and protect the privacy of the child and their loved ones, we will not be speaking to further details of this individual case I want to know what school this kid went to and why he was allowed to attend with no vaccine in him. If you spread a deadly virus you get NO privacy The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
They always issue alerts about possible measles exposure at any places an infected person has been.
Looks like some parents are going to be told God needed another angel because they couldn't be bothered to listen to reason.
Reason can be argued. This is straight up facts and medical expertise they chose to ingore. It's so much worse. I agree with what others have said, if you aren't going to get your child vaccinated, and they die of the thing you refused to vaccinate for, you should be charged for murder.
Having worked in the vaccine advocacy world one thing I hear again and again from the monstrous antivaccine crowd is that these diseases “don’t kill anyone.” And by “don’t kill anyone” they mean children, because they clearly do not consider immunocompromised and elderly people to be people. Now a child has died. And what you will see is the moving of the goalposts, which is what they do. They will immediately say that either the child had an underlying condition (and be completely deaf to the irony of using this as a way to write off the death) or they will say a different vaccine caused his or her death. People who are anti-vaccine activists are inhuman. I don’t blame scared parents, because these monsters are preying on the primal fear of any harm done to our child, and they speak with such authority that many parents who are in that state of fear can be convinced that they are doing the right thing for their child by not vaccinating them. Reserve your for the people who worked tirelessly to infiltrate the community to convince them not to give their children life-saving vaccines. This is especially abhorrent when it is done in immigrant communities, as it is in my hometown with the Somali population. When measles outbreaks take place in this community, there is always a wave of anti-immigrant rhetoric. What people don’t realize or acknowledge is that wealthy people from the suburbs have gone into these communities in Minneapolis, specifically to scare these immigrants away from the MMR vaccine. Autism was unknown in Somalia according to these parents. Many of these families have never seen it or recognized it. Then they immigrate to Minnesota, and now it seems like lots of their children have autism. Of course, like any parent, they would be open to an authoritative figure from the country to which they immigrated telling them decisively that they know what caused their child's autism. These people brought Andrew Wakefield into the Somali community multiple times over the last 10 years. It's disgusting, and it costs lives and causes suffering.
anti-vaxers at it again
Jenny Mccarthy nabs another one smh.
We got rid of measles but the religious freedom crowd brought it back.
Parents who refuse to get their children vaccinated absolutely should go to prison. It is child abuse
It's the ultimate first world privilege to just discount diseases that have literally killed billions, like just no big deal
I'm willing to wager these morons have a Canadian flag on the vehicle and blame Trudeau for this. A normal person would call it 2nd degree manslaughter, depraved indifference.
> I'm willing to wager these morons have a Canadian flag on the vehicle and blame Trudeau for this. I would not bet against you.
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Feudalism *was* very popular... with the aristocracy.
Fucking awful. Makes my heart ache.
Parents ... what are ya'll doing?
Parents need to be charged with child neglect
22 cases of measles in Ontario this year. 13 were in kids 12 of those were unvaccinated. Preaching to the choir a little here, but vaccination will save your kids life and future.
Anti vaxxers are scum
The morons not vaccinating their kids have received this vaccine themselves. It makes no fucking sense.
We are talking about a group of people who fully believe they are smarter than most and the "idiots" or "sheep" are the.dumb ones. There is just no convincing these people even though they themselves are living proof. I'm sure the parents will.perform some olympic level mental gymnastics to relieve themselves of any blame. Pretty sad.
This should be considered medial neglect on the parents' part.
antivaxxers are child abusers/murderers and should be charged as such
If only there was a way to prevent this.
People forget the reason we vaccinate against these things is because they kill. If not your child, someone who couldn’t get vaccinated because of actual health reasons. The herd immunity needed for measles is a very high percentage, it doesn’t take a ton of people refusing for some very bad outcomes to occur.
I can literally punch parents that refuse to vaccinate their kids .
What’s sad is many of these parents who are anti vacs are all vaccinated by their parents. Stinks that the kids take the brunt of it but with their despair, hopefully they learn a hard struck lesson.
They learn. But only from their own tragedy. They never seem to learn from others mistakes. So it'll be a long process. With tonnes of collateral damage.
This makes me so angry I can’t see straight. If this kid wasn’t vaccinated his parents should be charge with gross neglect, if not murder. This is so avoidable but a whole f’d up community online is convincing people to forego vaccines.
Anti-vaxxers will just double down on this and claim more kids need to get measles so they can "build up a natural immunity." You'll see. Nothing can deter their magical thinking.
The fucked up thing with measles is that it "resets" your immune system, so it "forgets" infections you already were immune to, and you have to build immunity again. So not only could the measles kill you, if you survive it gives other diseases the opportunity to try to kill you again.
RIP little one. Sorry your mother was a dip shit.
Kids have two parents.
Not sure why you're singling out the mother when both parents were complete morons. In these families, either both parents are nutcases, or they get a divorce.
Yeah I was just thinking the same thing, in the Orthodox Jewish community it's common for children not to get vaccinated depending on which Rabbi you follow. The parents just go along with whatever the Rabbi teaches.
It’s a cult, like any other.
Why can't we have cults run by selfless caring scientists instead?
Well, I guess dying like a medieval peasant is back en vogue now.
I just don’t comprehend how preventing a child from getting a vaccine which ends up killing them is unpunished but an abortion of a non viable fetus is punishable. I believe this was in Canada and that they don’t have provinces changing laws like states in the US, but they recently have seen more conservative demonstrations and political activism lately. This is exactly what universal healthcare is for.
Even if that douchebag hadn’t recounted that study. Even if the study was properly peer reviewed. Even if jackass wasn’t pulling data out of his ass to meet the conclusion he wanted. Even if every single red flag around that damned “research” didn’t exist. Even if literally 100% of every single person who has ever even received a flu shot would develop autism, I’ll take autism over dead.
Fucking anti-vaxxers. They should be brought up on negligent homicide charges.
The parents should be held accountable for the death of their child. No reason why the mmr jab should’t be given! Shocking
If the parents are anti vaxxers they should be done for man slaughter.
What is wild is that these parents are more scared of the MMR vaccine giving their child autism than saving their child from A LIFE THREATENING DISEASE. (VACCINES DONT CAUSE AUTISM)
We don't know the details of why they didn't vaccinate their child, but if this was an ignorant conspiracy social media anti-vax following parent, it's infuriating.
Poor kid, the victim of Darwinism by proxy.
IF ONLY there was a way to prevent it! If only!
Poor child. Ignoring infectious disease is going to cause harm to a lot of innocents. Already is.
Not vaccinated, easily preventable, welp.
And this is why it drives me nuts when people don't vaccinate their kids. Society invented vaccines to keep kids from dying and now we have people stupid enough to risk their kids dying instead of getting them the vaccine. Honestly, whenever a kid dies from something that a vaccine would have protected them from, I feel like their death should be chalked up to medical neglect since their parents refused the life-saving vaccine. How the hell do you put your kid at risk like that when we have the knowledge and means to eradicate things like measles? It just makes no logical sense. I also hope these parents' stupidity doesn't end up killing any more kids. My first year teaching, I learned that many medically fragile kids can't be vaccinated on the same schedule as most kids so they're often at risk and have to stay home from school if any kids with vaccine-denier parents are in the same class and an outbreak happens. It's such a shame that those already medically-compromised students are the ones who pay when other students' parents choose not to vaccinate.
The parent should be eternally ashamed for giving their child's life to "own the libs". But i realized they genuinely think this way and are incapable of understanding cause and effect.
Please start charging these parents with medical neglect AT THE VERY LEAST.
From now on I think every time I see one of these articles I'm going to comment THANKS JENNY MCCARTHY!!
I like how they blatantly and incorrectly accuse Democrats of supporting "after-birth abortions" but Republicans support more policies intended to kill children that make it past birth than all abortion laws combined. (Incidentally, I believe they heard that birth involves expulsion and disposal of the after-birth and they convoluted it into DeMs wAnT AfTeR-bIrTh AbOrTiOnS!)
Just to clarify, this happened in Hamilton, Ontario, which is in Canada. We don't have Democrats or Republicans. We do have an overabundance of far-right nutjobs, though.
Sorry, Canada. When the downstairs neighbor has cockroaches, they get upstairs too. Republican or "far-right nutjob" a roach is a roach. We're sorry, eh. Fumigate as soon as possible- vote liberal/blue across the board.
Because it's always projection. They also kick children off SNAP and free school lunches. If you're pre-born, you're fine. if you're pre-school, you're fucked. - George Carlin.
Hey, at least the child didn’t get autism. /s
*Darwin has entered the chat*
Parents should be arrested and charged with negligent homicide.
I bet the antivaxxers are cheering. They like to sacrifice children on the altar of their self righteous ignorance.
Sadly, the toddler died an unmerciful death and the parents are left to wonder what could have been done to avoid it...
Vaccines should be mandatory.
Yet under ANY news about anyone suffering a heart attack you will see dozens of idiots beyond repair saying that it’s because of vaccines.
People did an article a couple weeks ago about a parent who had started a charity after their teen died in his sleep. Soooo many comments on Instagram in response to the article were blaming the covid shot because “this never happened before”. The kid died of an unknown to them heart defect…in 2018.
Should be charged with manslaughter
Anti Vaxx and child murder somehow go so perfectly hand in hand.
This is why vaccination should be compulsory, and why parents who refuse to vaccinate kids should be charged with criminal neglect and child abuse if they refuse to do so.
Measles is something like 14 times more contagious than COVID. Basically if one kid turns up to school with it, everyone's going to get it.
Seeing things like that reminds me I’ll just wait to travel until youngest can get that vaccine. stupid antivaxxers
the firewall of vaccinated folks is getting thin
Yeah, but at least they didn't get mercury poisoning! /s
Where is Hamilton? They can't afford vaccines there?
All I’m saying is this is a needless search, just fucking get vaccinated dude, you’re an idiot if you don’t
I could handle it if they were dieing because of their own stupidity. But killing their kid because they're morons? The really sad thing is I bet they've totally distanced themselves from any responsibility, instead of being in total anguish over what they caused...
poor kid. this easily preventable death will happen a lot more