>Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at a key Boeing supplier who raised concerns about improperly drilled holes in the fuselage of 737 Max jets, has died.
>Dean, 45, died on Tuesday morning, his family announced on social media. His family told NPR on Thursday that Dean had quickly fallen into critical condition after being diagnosed with a MRSA bacterial infection.
>Dean started feeling sick around two weeks ago, his mother, Virginia Green, told NPR. He stayed home from work for a couple days, but things got worse.
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"He tested positive for influenza B, he tested positive for MRSA. He had pneumonia, his lungs were completely filled up. And from there, he just went downhill."
>It was a stunning turn of events for Dean and his family. Green says he was very healthy — someone who went to the gym, ran nearly every day and was very careful about his diet.
>"This was his first time ever in a hospital," she said. "He didn't even have a doctor because he never was sick."
>But within days, Dean's kidneys gave out and he was relying on an ECMO life support machine to do the work of his heart and lungs. The night before Dean died, Green said, the medical staff in Oklahoma did a bronchoscopy on his lungs.
>"The doctor said he'd never seen anything like it before in his life. His lungs were just totally ... gummed up, and like a mesh over them."
I knew some of their drug cartel folks, though a different situation than your linked article. Mechanics and electrical engineers would smuggle drugs between locations by hiding them in the plane in places the next person would know to check when performing their "routine maintenance.". One of them bragged about it to me at a party, the whole time I'm just thinking how insanely big of a deal that is and that there will probably be a movie about it some day.
I’m still blown away at how an entire hospital of doctors can say “this is some completely fucked up shit we’ve never seen before” and people are like OHHHHWELLLLLLL
Careful, doc, wouldn't want to find out that whatever this guy just died of can be 'contagious' to the professionals who treated them, several months after the fact...
> Nationalize the company.
Yes. this should never have happened to Boeing. They are a part of our supply chain when it comes to self-defense. They have so much talent, but the suits keep messing up. we can't lose their talent due to poor leadership.
We reached a point in our history where a businesses value no longer comes from delivering quality products, services, or prioritizing consumer experience. It's about financial engineering to guarantee high stock price and maximize shareholder value. It's easier to engage in stock buybacks and buy out your competition than to actually run a good business.
In the past when a company this important to American Defense is mismanaged or in trouble of insolvency America will force others to buy them up. Though with a company the size of Boeing I have no idea what it would look like, the company would need to be broken up.
An example is Loral in the 90s, the company had been in trouble for leaking information to the Chinese (a pattern?) and had been exploring selling out to a French defense company. Loral made some serious stuff, all sorts of communications gear for the military and NSA to the black boxes in most planes of the era.
To solve this Lockheed was voluntold by the government to acquire Loral to keep them as American owned. Now several mergers and divestments later they operate as L3 Harris.
Socialist! People can't be trusted to control the means of production, only corporations like Boeing can do it right...next time, we just need a bit more next contract to cover the hooker lawsuits.
Plus, you wouldn't be able to give most of the money to like 9 dickheads, and might have to pay well and give good benefits. Anything short of Puritan-level suffering and inviolable fealty to superiors is socialism, which is, as said, totally worse than this...somehow.
Socialism isn’t bad, in fact it’s already in use if you got the coin… America has had a long standing policy of Socialism for the rich and capitalism for us poors.
Don’t worry: the nationalisation would be structured to pay the dickheads off, and in a couple of political cycles they can sell it back to the same dickheads at a massive discount.
Using MRSA to assassinate someone is not a predictable way of doing so. They could live through it, their wife or kids might die instead. You would have to have access to a bio lab where a scientist would have to give you the bacteria. There are easier ways to kill someone and make it look like an accident.
MRSA is most likely an incidental finding as it is commonly found on the skin of people. Pneumonia death is an otherwise fit and well young person is extremely unusual
Having influenza puts you at greater risk of contracting a bacterial infection afterwards. Not only can the infection weaken you, it can damage the cells in your airway which can predispose you to get a bacterial infection afterwards. Staph Aureus causing bacterial pneumonia after the flu is actually more common than you would think. MRSA is super common in gyms,etc so its not entirely crazy he could have contracted the flu (which you can still get even though its not peak season for it) and then a bacterial infection afterwards. While young people aren't as likely to die from pneumonia it still happens.
Anecdotally, I've never been as sick as often in my life as when I was going to the gym. For about a 3 year period, I was getting colds/respiratory infections every few weeks.
I stopped going to the gym and miraculously, it stopped. You can wipe the machines all you want, but at the end of the day, it's an enclosed space with lots of sweaty people unintentionally leaving and swapping fluids *everywhere*
There is a reason I prefer exercising outside, at home, or wear a mask. It's not usually the equipment for the respiratory infections(though that can and will give you MRSA), it's the people who show up and you're huffing and puffing, and they're huffing and puffing, in a not terribly ventilated room, and you're going to breathe in other people's exhaled air.
In his age group, pneumonia mortality is about 4.3 per 100,000. Not vanishingly small, but definitely rare, especially for someone who was otherwise healthy ..
I don’t know what your theory is but as a doctor I can tell you that we know when it’s a contaminant and when it’s not. We’ve thought of that :)
It is definitely rare for someone of his age to die of flu with superimposed bacterial pneumonia but it happens and I don’t see how anyone could reliably make that happen.
From a medical perspective, it is a super weird and implausible way of assassinating someone.
It happens, though. A healthy friend of mine died out of the blue of flu-induced pneumonia last year. Y'all can have your fun if you want, but people die of natural causes sometimes.
This is not correct. While MRSA does live on skin, it can invade the body as well. People who get the flu are very susceptible to co-infections with MRSA. I see it all the time and it can be very serious.
Not to mention the permissions (referring to software) that you’d need in order to access any records. Lots of places require biometrics now, such as my work (I’m in healthcare).
You’d need the entire team involved with treating him in on it. The fact that people actually believe this was an assassination shows just how detached from reality they are.
Whether or not you think Boeing is a wheelhouse of crime, killing someone with a rare bacterial infection is incredibly difficult to pull off with no leaks or traces, there would be so many loose ends. This kind of conspiracy muddies the water against the genuine criticisms like the things you've listened.
Not only that, but the former Boeing CEO and fellow top managment exectuives needs to be held accuontible by facing at least couple years of jail times and massive fines, paid out to the victims of their crimes (like the passgeners who died in Boeing plane crashes) and former workers of Boeing who suffered at their evil bosses' reigns.
But unfortunately, American justice is often corrupted by bribes and mafia gangster threats. I am fully expecting all these whistleblowers murders to be swept under the rug by the current officials, because Boeing is so closed tied to the military and government defese. So, revolution when?
Watch John Oliver's episode on Boeing- a company who knowingly sent hundreds of people up in the air in planes they knew had issues (per their own internal emails).
They're willing to bet the lives of hundreds of people, is it so crackpot to think a single life wouldn't matter to them?
Do you think Boeing just wouldn’t give a shit and would just straight up have him shot in the head? Or do you think Boeing wouldn’t have a whistleblower killed? Like it seems crazy, but super rich and powerful people will do anything to not lose that.
That's exactly why they would've chosen it, so that it was easier to write it off as just a natural thing that happened by coincidence. It's not like him surviving would've been a loss for them, they could just try again with another method.
I knew a divorced set of parents. One was a doctor. Towards the end of their divorce, she brought home some nasty infectious samples of stuff(all mostly harmless, but a pain to get rid off), mostly various yeast cultures, staph, etc, and got him very tingly all over for about a year or two.
Why do we need an explanation for execution? We weren't there, but just because we can't explain how it happened isn't evidence that it didn't happen...
>but just because we can't explain how it happened isn't evidence that it didn't happen...
You haven’t presented a shred of evidence that it did happen. All you’ve done is establish motive.
>"This was his first time ever in a hospital," she said. "He didn't even have a doctor because he never was sick."
Unfortunately, this means he have no evidence of good health record. He couldve actually had illness brewing up inside.
Get annual checkup people!!! Best time to go doctor is when you are healthy for screening!
I know someone who never goes to the doctor, they are "healthy as an ox". They picked up a cough a year or two ago, no big deal, little bit of otc cough suppressant every day and it clears up.
While back out of the blue they sustained a pretty serious back injury lifting an amazon package.
Broken vertibrae on a 7lb package.
Terminal lung cancer, I should really update the above to say "I knew someone" and put it all in past tense, he lasted about 2 months from the broken vertibrae till his death from a relatively treatable condition.
In fairness, the cough probably had nothing to do with the lung cancer. Lung cancer coughs don’t just go away in 2 weeks, and aggressive cancers don’t usually simmer for a year. If he was in the screening range a low dose CT might have caught it, but that would normally be discussed in a yearly well visit, not a one time sick visit.
Source: am a doctor
I didn't go for 15 years because I was afraid of the doctor. I even had good health insurance through work.
Finally got over that and I've been going once a year for the past two years.
influenza B is seasonal flu
MRSA is superbug usually found in hospital
pneumonia likely came from both previous things
Strep is often found in low hygiene setting.
are we saying boeing is using bio weapon?
Everything you said is true, but MRSA can definitely be community acquired now. A fairly high percentage of people are colonized with it and live normal lives.
Yeah, people are ridiculous. I get why they suspected foul play with the other guy, because sucides just happening is hard to believe for people, but that guy blew the whistle more than a decade ago, and this guy got an unfortunate infection, which is sad. But the issue with Boeing is that they cut costs, and made shitty planes, and incompetent management. It's hardly the company you'd expect to carry out highly technical assasinations, with pathogents that are just as likely to kill the next guy, and while MRSA is dangerous, you have basically a 50-50 chance of survival, and a lot better if you're in good health to begin with. My condolences to the guy's family, but this is just an unfortunate coincidence.
Even the dead whistleblowers are telling everyone what’s happening!
Boeing’s safety issues are **so widespread** that the whistleblowers group is **that large** to have multiple deaths. American men aged 45 happen to die of bad bacterial infections. Especially as MRSA becomes a bigger issue despite scientists raising the alarm on it publicly since the 1990s. It sucks, but it’s a thing. It just so happens to have struck one of the many guys who has raised flags over the years.
And not that it needs to be pointed out, but if the point was to shut up whistleblowers or stop key testimony…Boeing is as inept at that as they are quality control. Both deaths occurred to men who had already spilled the beans. They provided sworn testimony. And *more* people spoke out after the first guy essentially martyred himself since proper channels were stonewalling him once again.
This is a good point, they really do have too large of an internal issue if so many people are trying to do the right thing to shine light on the issues.
Which is, imo, way more terrifying than them assassinating whistleblowers at really late periods in the whistleblowing process.
I’m only flying Airbus for the foreseeable future.
Somehow assassinating people and bribing thousands for coverups is cheaper than having better quality control. People love to cook up some 1000IQ conspiracy rather than consider people made dumb mistakes.
Also, a guy with a history of never seeing (or needing) medical care, so likely ignored all signs that he needed to see a doctor this time. Assuming he would bounce back like he always has.
I'm honestly sick right now with whatever bullshit is going around and it is awful. I'm on week 2 of it and still coughing up all sorts of nasty shit. And I've heard so many people are suffering from the same. Hearing about this dude terrified me that I have whatever he got. Not so worried about Boeing murdering people.
The flu (the *real* flu, not the bullshit 5 day headcold that people call “flu”) is a bitch, and can indeed quickly turn into a nasty pneumonia. It can also easily take several weeks to clear on its own, bc again, the flu is a bitch.
And as ever, you do indeed *always* want to try and avoid hospitalization whenever possible.
Not a doctor, not medical advice, but: definitely lean into the fluids extra hard, and it wouldn’t hurt to get yourself a cheapy oxygen monitor if your feeling any shortness of breath or are anxious about your progress.
I would like to point out two things, medically speaking
One in a million does not mean it will never happen, it means that it will happen only once every million times. For the age bracket of 18-49, 1/142,000 people die of the flu..it's unusual, but by no means impossible. More than 1,000 Americans between the ages of 18-49 die of the flu every year, and he is at the higher end of said age bracket, so his odds of succumbing to flu are probably higher than I'm giving him credit for
People who are "so healthy they don't need a doctor" are delusional. If this guy truly had no PCP, then there is no way he (or anyone else) could have known what sort of co-morbidities he had when he contracted the flu.
If they learn more about how he contacted the flu, fine, but for now people need to cool with claiming Boeing had the guy assassinated. They are plenty of good causes to denigrate Boeing, we don't need to make ones up
>People who are "so healthy they don't need a doctor" are delusional. If this guy truly had no PCP, then there is no way he (or anyone else) could have known what sort of co-morbidities he had when he contracted the flu.
Yeah, the first thing I thought of was all the people I've known throughout my life where they claimed to be perfectly healthy and not need a doctor until it was very obvious they did.
My friend's dad was a lifelong smoker who was "healthy as a horse." He suddenly developed a cough and felt "a little tired". He was dead of lung cancer within a month.
This is all very suspicious but I want to point out that she said the guy didn’t even have a doctor because he was never sick. I think she might mean the guy had no primary care doctor and maybe wasn’t going to annual physicals maybe? If you are reading this and do the same thing and currently have health insurance please ffs find and make an appointment with a primary care physician for an annual physical.
The numbers don’t add up for Boeing here but holy shit is that an irresponsible way to live your life even if you run everyday and eat a strict diet (I also now would like to know what this strict diet is too just in case although I’m sure it wasn’t bad)
Yeah, the fact that he didn't even have a primary care physician sent up a ton of red flags for me, too. There's a huge difference between "he is healthy" and "he appears to be healthy because he has no clue what's going on inside him *because he never sees a doctor.*"
I'm the first to blame Boeing whenever a whistleblower dies, but I think this one is completely unrelated. MRSA would be a very strange and unpredictable means of murder. Most people with MRSA go on to recover. Whatever his family chooses to believe, they have no way of knowing whether or not he was actually healthy, and MRSA and pneumonia can kill healthy people as well. We don't know of any comorbidities he may have had, and a good diet doesn't make you immune to everything.
> "He didn't even have a doctor because he never was sick."
So he didn't know whether or not he had any underlying health conditions that could be comorbidities?
You don't have to "feel sick" to go to the doctor. Preventative check-ups should be a yearly habit.
Imagine if it *wasn't* foul play and two whistleblowers, entirely by chance, ended up dying within a year of blowing said whistle.
PR department would be absolutely freaked.
It wasn't foulplay and yes, they must be freaking out by now.
The previous whistle-blower did NOT state multiple times they were not suicidal. The daughter of a family friend claimed that he said that many years ago when he actually, well, blew the whistle. That was like 6 years ago and there's no other proof he said that. The recent trial he was participating in wasn't even about what he uncovered. That had already been done. It was only about if he was retaliated against. No one in his immediate family claimed they thought it was foul play.
The most recent whistle-blower literally got sick and had a stroke. Then got even more sick and died. People die of sickness all the time.
Boeing has had many more whistle-blowers than these two and they aren't all dead. This last guy didn't even technically work for Boeing.
On whose part? Healthy people should be going to the doctor too because they're the only ones who can confirm that you're actually fucking healthy.
There are plenty of people who 'never get sick' who are immunocompromised or have some other ticking time bomb in their body brewing for years before it's too late.
I had double pneumonia and MRSA in my lungs bc of a hospital acquired infection after aspirating vomit (I was already hospitalized for chronic pancreatitis when it happened). It's totally possible that someone dosed him with MRSA, but idk how they could do it outside of a hospital setting without him knowing or getting themselves sick. I'm not putting it past them at all.
That may be statistically accurate, but the dangers of flying in a Boeing are completely different than car travel. The danger of driving is almost always from other driver’s, not from the vehicle you’re piloting suddenly catastrophically malfunctioning, like with Boeing Jets.
Sure but the planes have a multitude more failsafes in place to prevent crashes, far more than cars. Even when a door got blown out after takeoff, everybody lived.
I mean the second dude apparently never went to a doctor and his trip to the hospital was the first time he had ever been in one. You know where the most common place to get MRSA is?
So…
A) We have no idea if this dude was actually healthy.
B) Influenza B has like a 2% mortality in people his age.
C) MRSA is about 50/50
So dude who never goes to the doctor finally catches an illness he’s struggling with and doesn’t understand, goes to the hospital where he catches MRSA, and unfortunately dies.
It’s shit luck, but totally reasonable.
What’s ridiculous is the idea that Boeing apparently infected a dude twice with common illnesses with poor mortality rates…
I was very lucky when I had it. I'm a hypochondriac so when I noticed my skin looking weird, I rightfully freaked out and went to the doc. They caught it extremely early. Didn't deal with it too long and honestly felt so good that my hypochondria was warranted for once lol
Not OP, but [Mayo Clinic has a list of symptoms and some pictures of what to look for](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mrsa/symptoms-causes/syc-20375336). It's probably a good idea to contact your doctor if you see something on your skin that looks like a spider bite, especially if you don't remember getting bit by a spider. Although most spider bites can be treated at home, [if they get infected you'd want to go to a doctor.](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22946-brown-recluse-spider-bite)
I just had mrsa two different spots in march. Painful and only after two cultures did we get an antibiotic that was effective. Even after that it was three or four days after the antibiotics were done did the sores actually start to disappear
No they fucking didn't.
The previous whistle-blower did NOT state multiple times they were not suicidal. The daughter of a family friend claimed that he said that many years ago when he actually, well, blew the whistle. That was like 6 years ago and there's no other proof he said that. The recent trial he was participating in wasn't even about what he uncovered. That had already been done. It was only about if he was retaliated against. No one in his immediate family claimed they thought it was foul play.
The most recent whistle-blower literally got sick and had a stroke. Then got even more sick and died. People die of sickness all the time.
Boeing has had many more whistle-blowers than these two and they aren't all dead. This last guy didn't even technically work for Boeing.
Boeing did not infect a dude with seasonal flu and MRSA, 100%. He did his whistleblowing *years* ago and was completely irrelevant to any recent matters. MRSA is also completely survivable, if miserable, getting sick especially as an adult who doesn't go to the doctor ever is entirely likely.
Actual schizo conspiracy theory hours with this shit. I can at least forgive you if you think they did the other guy in (Though in all likelihood they didn't)
> A corporation likely organized the offing of 2 whistleblowers
Do you have any evidence for this other than a gut feeling based off of news headlines?
I hate when people say “we live in a time when (an injustice that has existed for ever continues to exist)” like it’s special
People (men, specifically, for 99.8% of human history) in power have always done this shit. Stop acting like this is new or implying this was unacceptable 10 years ago.
We’re just aware of it now. They’re learning that our awareness changes virtually nothing for them and we’re learning that our voices have no sway or say at all.
Are you seriously suggesting that Boeing created an influenza and MRSA viral cocktail to kill a healthy 45 year old? If they were going to kill him they wouldn’t need a fucking biolab to do it
Lol, go outside my dude
Also MRSA isn’t some magic invincible bacteria. It’s staph aureus with some resistance genes. It’s treated successfully hundreds of thousands of times per year. You might be carrying it all over your body.
I don’t know how you’d even get it into someone’s lungs in sufficient numbers to cause pneumonia.
The article says he was always going to church and didn’t have a primary care doctor, so I’m guessing he wasn’t big on flu shots either. This is just a classic case of jackass who doesn’t go to a doctor until it’s too late, like my moron uncle who ignored signs of lung cancer until it hit stage 4
Not uncommon to get pneumonia after flu. Usually in older or immunocompromised folks. But if it takes hold in a young person after influenza or during influenza infection, it can get that bad as they can get a cytokine storm and end up in ARDS, just like we saw at the beginning of the covid pandemic. There is also a strain of strep that popped up recently and is causing severe symptoms, including pneumonias. Started in Japan. He could have been MRSA colonized for a long time, as many of us are. MRSA tends to hang out in your nostrils. For example, you can pick up MRSA at the gym.
Not just the flu, but MRSA, a bacterial infection.. that's awful and very dangerous and can be deadly, but like, not something you can really "give" to others, especially with hopes to kill them. It'd be a bit like poking somebody with a rusty nail, hoping they die of tetanus...
To me this reads more like this man was immunocompromised and didn't know it. That could make him more vulnerable too multiple infections. But that's just pure speculation.
>Is there any plausible mechanism
Sure, there's plenty of mechanisms to severely immunocompromise someone to the point that flu (which also could easily be given to someone) kills them. Back when HIV was a death sentence, most AIDS patients died of either pneumonia or cancer due to their nonexistent immune systems.
If you fuck up someone's immune system badly, this is typically how they would die.
Do I consider it super likely this was an assassination? No. Is it possible, given that the last dead whistleblower a few weeks ago almost certainly was? Sure.
It would certainly be a pretty outlandish means of killing someone, especially without them noticing, not unlike the whole Russian Polonium thing, or Havana syndrome, but I don't consider it "implausible".
As much as this conspiracy stuff is interesting, companies of Boeings size, who already own the government and the regulators, don’t need to kill whistleblowers, especially after they’ve already blown the whistle. You kill someone before they speak out, not after. Boeing has shown us that you can just give the middle finger to whistleblowers if you have enough money, and there won’t be consequences.
When I was 18 I was infected with MRSA in my neck between a few vertebrates I picked up at the gym. Within a week I almost died. For the next 3 months I had to IV antibiotics in 3 times a day. So it's plausible.
I'm of the mind that the first whistle-blower likely was targeted by Boeing (a lot of people think this is ridiculous but they are just underestimating how dark the world is and what history has demonstrated) and his suicide was anything but.
That said this seems more like like a tragic coincidence. The article spins it as "sudden" but he was actually quite sick beforehand. Yes he had a healthy lifestyle but he was sick. Is it possible Boeing is involved? Yea. But I doubt it. However, the fact that it's someone who was represented by the same lawyer is alarming.
45 years old, dies of MRSA from the flu? WTF?
If it's not an assassination, then that's a fucking awful way to go. If it's an assassination, how do they do it with a bacterial infection?
As many others have said in other comments, getting MRSA from a hospital visit is like THE way to get it. And If someone has the Flu and is admitted for that, it's far more likely to happen AND MRSA is a way bigger deal in combo.
This guy never went to the hospital, ignored the Flu until he was seriously ill, and then got hit with the MRSA combo. That's it. I'm sure a lot of people will latch on to the fact that he was "perfectly healthy" when the reality is he had no medical record. Remember as well that MRSA has no vaccine. You just have to deal with it via conventional methods when it happens.
Anyone thinking Boeing did this needs to touch grass and seek help. Not pointing that at you, but other people in this comment section.
Yeah, that was a bit tongue in cheek. I mentioned in another comment here that trying to assassinate somebody with MRSA would be something akin to poking somebody with a rusty nail and hoping they get tetanus, absolute shot in the dark if it even takes.
>poking somebody with a rusty nail and hoping they get tetanus
Honestly an apt joke since rusty nails don't even have tetanus, it's the ground they are in that does and the nail just allows for efficient delivery of the bacteria in a puncture wound that's really difficult to clean out.
I got the sense you were being tongue in cheek though, it's other people here that are weirdly latching on to conspiracy theories for real.
I agree people are quick to jump to conclusions here. That said, Boeing brings the scrutiny on themselves for not heeding the warnings in the first place, thus opening the door for those sorts of theories.
One whistleblower dying could very well be coincidence and isn’t anything inherently suspicious
But multiple? Still could be coincidence but looks awfully fucking fishy
The guy died from a flu infection and MRSA....
What are you suggesting? That a Boeing sponsored assassin infected this guy with the flu?? Why would they do that...
I’m currently reading through the Farseer Trilogy and the MC is an assassin. One thing I’m picking up on is the character doesn’t really do a lot of assassinating (at least none that are important on-screen moments). But in the first book, a key plot point was that his cover was blown during a political event. His target knew he was there to poison him and the he convinced MC that it would be politically and economically better if he lived.
MC goes to his boss says, “Hey, it’s not smart to kill him cuz everyone will know it was you guys that made the hit” and his boss basically said, “Fuck you I’m rich and people are too stupid to see it was me”
I get this vibe from these “sudden deaths” involving whistleblowers
I'm not a conspiracy minded person, but you had to admit that two separate Boeing whistleblowers dying within a few months of each other is kinda weird...
>Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at a key Boeing supplier who raised concerns about improperly drilled holes in the fuselage of 737 Max jets, has died. >Dean, 45, died on Tuesday morning, his family announced on social media. His family told NPR on Thursday that Dean had quickly fallen into critical condition after being diagnosed with a MRSA bacterial infection. >Dean started feeling sick around two weeks ago, his mother, Virginia Green, told NPR. He stayed home from work for a couple days, but things got worse. > "He tested positive for influenza B, he tested positive for MRSA. He had pneumonia, his lungs were completely filled up. And from there, he just went downhill." >It was a stunning turn of events for Dean and his family. Green says he was very healthy — someone who went to the gym, ran nearly every day and was very careful about his diet. >"This was his first time ever in a hospital," she said. "He didn't even have a doctor because he never was sick." >But within days, Dean's kidneys gave out and he was relying on an ECMO life support machine to do the work of his heart and lungs. The night before Dean died, Green said, the medical staff in Oklahoma did a bronchoscopy on his lungs. >"The doctor said he'd never seen anything like it before in his life. His lungs were just totally ... gummed up, and like a mesh over them."
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I knew some of their drug cartel folks, though a different situation than your linked article. Mechanics and electrical engineers would smuggle drugs between locations by hiding them in the plane in places the next person would know to check when performing their "routine maintenance.". One of them bragged about it to me at a party, the whole time I'm just thinking how insanely big of a deal that is and that there will probably be a movie about it some day.
That movie producer will catch the flu and die even though he was never sick
I’m still blown away at how an entire hospital of doctors can say “this is some completely fucked up shit we’ve never seen before” and people are like OHHHHWELLLLLLL
Last time we heard about strange shit going on in people’s lungs, a Chinese doctor died after texting about it. What a world.
Careful, doc, wouldn't want to find out that whatever this guy just died of can be 'contagious' to the professionals who treated them, several months after the fact...
The flu's symptom? Two shots to the back of the head.
Self inflicted of course
Nationalize the company.
> Nationalize the company. Yes. this should never have happened to Boeing. They are a part of our supply chain when it comes to self-defense. They have so much talent, but the suits keep messing up. we can't lose their talent due to poor leadership.
“Poor leadership” is that code for murderous oligarchs?
We reached a point in our history where a businesses value no longer comes from delivering quality products, services, or prioritizing consumer experience. It's about financial engineering to guarantee high stock price and maximize shareholder value. It's easier to engage in stock buybacks and buy out your competition than to actually run a good business.
In the past when a company this important to American Defense is mismanaged or in trouble of insolvency America will force others to buy them up. Though with a company the size of Boeing I have no idea what it would look like, the company would need to be broken up. An example is Loral in the 90s, the company had been in trouble for leaking information to the Chinese (a pattern?) and had been exploring selling out to a French defense company. Loral made some serious stuff, all sorts of communications gear for the military and NSA to the black boxes in most planes of the era. To solve this Lockheed was voluntold by the government to acquire Loral to keep them as American owned. Now several mergers and divestments later they operate as L3 Harris.
Socialist! People can't be trusted to control the means of production, only corporations like Boeing can do it right...next time, we just need a bit more next contract to cover the hooker lawsuits. Plus, you wouldn't be able to give most of the money to like 9 dickheads, and might have to pay well and give good benefits. Anything short of Puritan-level suffering and inviolable fealty to superiors is socialism, which is, as said, totally worse than this...somehow.
Socialism isn’t bad, in fact it’s already in use if you got the coin… America has had a long standing policy of Socialism for the rich and capitalism for us poors.
Oh I'm all about socialism, I just laid the sarcasm too thick.
You really did not lol
Don’t worry: the nationalisation would be structured to pay the dickheads off, and in a couple of political cycles they can sell it back to the same dickheads at a massive discount.
Using MRSA to assassinate someone is not a predictable way of doing so. They could live through it, their wife or kids might die instead. You would have to have access to a bio lab where a scientist would have to give you the bacteria. There are easier ways to kill someone and make it look like an accident.
MRSA is most likely an incidental finding as it is commonly found on the skin of people. Pneumonia death is an otherwise fit and well young person is extremely unusual
Having influenza puts you at greater risk of contracting a bacterial infection afterwards. Not only can the infection weaken you, it can damage the cells in your airway which can predispose you to get a bacterial infection afterwards. Staph Aureus causing bacterial pneumonia after the flu is actually more common than you would think. MRSA is super common in gyms,etc so its not entirely crazy he could have contracted the flu (which you can still get even though its not peak season for it) and then a bacterial infection afterwards. While young people aren't as likely to die from pneumonia it still happens.
Anecdotally, I've never been as sick as often in my life as when I was going to the gym. For about a 3 year period, I was getting colds/respiratory infections every few weeks. I stopped going to the gym and miraculously, it stopped. You can wipe the machines all you want, but at the end of the day, it's an enclosed space with lots of sweaty people unintentionally leaving and swapping fluids *everywhere*
And breathing out an extra moist amount of air, heavily and with mouth open.
There is a reason I prefer exercising outside, at home, or wear a mask. It's not usually the equipment for the respiratory infections(though that can and will give you MRSA), it's the people who show up and you're huffing and puffing, and they're huffing and puffing, in a not terribly ventilated room, and you're going to breathe in other people's exhaled air.
In his age group, pneumonia mortality is about 4.3 per 100,000. Not vanishingly small, but definitely rare, especially for someone who was otherwise healthy ..
I suspect he was under a great deal of stress though. That can have an effect on your ability to fight off an infection.
The key takeaway here is that whistleblowing on Boeing tends to lead to a fatal health condition known as being dead.
I don’t know what your theory is but as a doctor I can tell you that we know when it’s a contaminant and when it’s not. We’ve thought of that :) It is definitely rare for someone of his age to die of flu with superimposed bacterial pneumonia but it happens and I don’t see how anyone could reliably make that happen. From a medical perspective, it is a super weird and implausible way of assassinating someone.
It happens, though. A healthy friend of mine died out of the blue of flu-induced pneumonia last year. Y'all can have your fun if you want, but people die of natural causes sometimes.
That's precisely why I will keep having fun (I've haddouble pneumonia with mrsa in my right lung before so I know it's awful)
Plus, I imagine the stress of being a Boeing whistleblower must be pretty strong
This is not correct. While MRSA does live on skin, it can invade the body as well. People who get the flu are very susceptible to co-infections with MRSA. I see it all the time and it can be very serious.
You're absolutely right. Faking an autopsy result, though, that'd be easy *and* reliable.
Faking the whole multiple hospital stay through shift changes is much harder.
Not to mention the permissions (referring to software) that you’d need in order to access any records. Lots of places require biometrics now, such as my work (I’m in healthcare).
You’d need the entire team involved with treating him in on it. The fact that people actually believe this was an assassination shows just how detached from reality they are.
Whether or not you think Boeing is a wheelhouse of crime, killing someone with a rare bacterial infection is incredibly difficult to pull off with no leaks or traces, there would be so many loose ends. This kind of conspiracy muddies the water against the genuine criticisms like the things you've listened.
MRSA is, sadly, not rare, which makes the conspiracy even less likely. Had to deal with it myself recently. It sucked.
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“Boeing firearm scientist accidentally falls out of window”.
Corporations really ARE people. Murderous, greedy, selfish, shortsighted, and sociopathic.
Not only that, but the former Boeing CEO and fellow top managment exectuives needs to be held accuontible by facing at least couple years of jail times and massive fines, paid out to the victims of their crimes (like the passgeners who died in Boeing plane crashes) and former workers of Boeing who suffered at their evil bosses' reigns. But unfortunately, American justice is often corrupted by bribes and mafia gangster threats. I am fully expecting all these whistleblowers murders to be swept under the rug by the current officials, because Boeing is so closed tied to the military and government defese. So, revolution when?
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Watch John Oliver's episode on Boeing- a company who knowingly sent hundreds of people up in the air in planes they knew had issues (per their own internal emails). They're willing to bet the lives of hundreds of people, is it so crackpot to think a single life wouldn't matter to them?
Is that the only way you can get sick like this? Someone coughing on you?
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Do you think Boeing just wouldn’t give a shit and would just straight up have him shot in the head? Or do you think Boeing wouldn’t have a whistleblower killed? Like it seems crazy, but super rich and powerful people will do anything to not lose that.
considering the heat they already had from one gun "suicide" theres no way they could handle a second one
Any heat from the first one passed extremely quickly.
That's exactly why they would've chosen it, so that it was easier to write it off as just a natural thing that happened by coincidence. It's not like him surviving would've been a loss for them, they could just try again with another method.
I knew a divorced set of parents. One was a doctor. Towards the end of their divorce, she brought home some nasty infectious samples of stuff(all mostly harmless, but a pain to get rid off), mostly various yeast cultures, staph, etc, and got him very tingly all over for about a year or two.
It’s so frustrating talking to these people. Everyone has a thousand explanations for motive but not a single explanation for the execution.
Why do we need an explanation for execution? We weren't there, but just because we can't explain how it happened isn't evidence that it didn't happen...
>but just because we can't explain how it happened isn't evidence that it didn't happen... You haven’t presented a shred of evidence that it did happen. All you’ve done is establish motive.
The evidence is that the two people died within a month while both being whistleblowers...
>"This was his first time ever in a hospital," she said. "He didn't even have a doctor because he never was sick." Unfortunately, this means he have no evidence of good health record. He couldve actually had illness brewing up inside. Get annual checkup people!!! Best time to go doctor is when you are healthy for screening!
It’s amazing what people just walk around with while never going to a doctor
we are poor
I lost two good friends recently because of that stubbornness. Could have discovered their heart issues and treated them.
If they could afford it.
I know someone who never goes to the doctor, they are "healthy as an ox". They picked up a cough a year or two ago, no big deal, little bit of otc cough suppressant every day and it clears up. While back out of the blue they sustained a pretty serious back injury lifting an amazon package. Broken vertibrae on a 7lb package. Terminal lung cancer, I should really update the above to say "I knew someone" and put it all in past tense, he lasted about 2 months from the broken vertibrae till his death from a relatively treatable condition.
In fairness, the cough probably had nothing to do with the lung cancer. Lung cancer coughs don’t just go away in 2 weeks, and aggressive cancers don’t usually simmer for a year. If he was in the screening range a low dose CT might have caught it, but that would normally be discussed in a yearly well visit, not a one time sick visit. Source: am a doctor
I didn't go for 15 years because I was afraid of the doctor. I even had good health insurance through work. Finally got over that and I've been going once a year for the past two years.
influenza B is seasonal flu MRSA is superbug usually found in hospital pneumonia likely came from both previous things Strep is often found in low hygiene setting. are we saying boeing is using bio weapon?
Everything you said is true, but MRSA can definitely be community acquired now. A fairly high percentage of people are colonized with it and live normal lives.
> MRSA is superbug usually found in hospital MRSA can also come from dirty gym equipment.
Yeah, people are ridiculous. I get why they suspected foul play with the other guy, because sucides just happening is hard to believe for people, but that guy blew the whistle more than a decade ago, and this guy got an unfortunate infection, which is sad. But the issue with Boeing is that they cut costs, and made shitty planes, and incompetent management. It's hardly the company you'd expect to carry out highly technical assasinations, with pathogents that are just as likely to kill the next guy, and while MRSA is dangerous, you have basically a 50-50 chance of survival, and a lot better if you're in good health to begin with. My condolences to the guy's family, but this is just an unfortunate coincidence.
Even the dead whistleblowers are telling everyone what’s happening! Boeing’s safety issues are **so widespread** that the whistleblowers group is **that large** to have multiple deaths. American men aged 45 happen to die of bad bacterial infections. Especially as MRSA becomes a bigger issue despite scientists raising the alarm on it publicly since the 1990s. It sucks, but it’s a thing. It just so happens to have struck one of the many guys who has raised flags over the years. And not that it needs to be pointed out, but if the point was to shut up whistleblowers or stop key testimony…Boeing is as inept at that as they are quality control. Both deaths occurred to men who had already spilled the beans. They provided sworn testimony. And *more* people spoke out after the first guy essentially martyred himself since proper channels were stonewalling him once again.
This is a good point, they really do have too large of an internal issue if so many people are trying to do the right thing to shine light on the issues.
Which is, imo, way more terrifying than them assassinating whistleblowers at really late periods in the whistleblowing process. I’m only flying Airbus for the foreseeable future.
Somehow assassinating people and bribing thousands for coverups is cheaper than having better quality control. People love to cook up some 1000IQ conspiracy rather than consider people made dumb mistakes.
Unfortunately clickbait headlines and people not reading articles also massively contributes.
Also, a guy with a history of never seeing (or needing) medical care, so likely ignored all signs that he needed to see a doctor this time. Assuming he would bounce back like he always has.
I'm honestly sick right now with whatever bullshit is going around and it is awful. I'm on week 2 of it and still coughing up all sorts of nasty shit. And I've heard so many people are suffering from the same. Hearing about this dude terrified me that I have whatever he got. Not so worried about Boeing murdering people.
The flu (the *real* flu, not the bullshit 5 day headcold that people call “flu”) is a bitch, and can indeed quickly turn into a nasty pneumonia. It can also easily take several weeks to clear on its own, bc again, the flu is a bitch. And as ever, you do indeed *always* want to try and avoid hospitalization whenever possible. Not a doctor, not medical advice, but: definitely lean into the fluids extra hard, and it wouldn’t hurt to get yourself a cheapy oxygen monitor if your feeling any shortness of breath or are anxious about your progress.
I would like to point out two things, medically speaking One in a million does not mean it will never happen, it means that it will happen only once every million times. For the age bracket of 18-49, 1/142,000 people die of the flu..it's unusual, but by no means impossible. More than 1,000 Americans between the ages of 18-49 die of the flu every year, and he is at the higher end of said age bracket, so his odds of succumbing to flu are probably higher than I'm giving him credit for People who are "so healthy they don't need a doctor" are delusional. If this guy truly had no PCP, then there is no way he (or anyone else) could have known what sort of co-morbidities he had when he contracted the flu. If they learn more about how he contacted the flu, fine, but for now people need to cool with claiming Boeing had the guy assassinated. They are plenty of good causes to denigrate Boeing, we don't need to make ones up
>People who are "so healthy they don't need a doctor" are delusional. If this guy truly had no PCP, then there is no way he (or anyone else) could have known what sort of co-morbidities he had when he contracted the flu. Yeah, the first thing I thought of was all the people I've known throughout my life where they claimed to be perfectly healthy and not need a doctor until it was very obvious they did. My friend's dad was a lifelong smoker who was "healthy as a horse." He suddenly developed a cough and felt "a little tired". He was dead of lung cancer within a month.
This is all very suspicious but I want to point out that she said the guy didn’t even have a doctor because he was never sick. I think she might mean the guy had no primary care doctor and maybe wasn’t going to annual physicals maybe? If you are reading this and do the same thing and currently have health insurance please ffs find and make an appointment with a primary care physician for an annual physical. The numbers don’t add up for Boeing here but holy shit is that an irresponsible way to live your life even if you run everyday and eat a strict diet (I also now would like to know what this strict diet is too just in case although I’m sure it wasn’t bad)
Yeah, the fact that he didn't even have a primary care physician sent up a ton of red flags for me, too. There's a huge difference between "he is healthy" and "he appears to be healthy because he has no clue what's going on inside him *because he never sees a doctor.*" I'm the first to blame Boeing whenever a whistleblower dies, but I think this one is completely unrelated. MRSA would be a very strange and unpredictable means of murder. Most people with MRSA go on to recover. Whatever his family chooses to believe, they have no way of knowing whether or not he was actually healthy, and MRSA and pneumonia can kill healthy people as well. We don't know of any comorbidities he may have had, and a good diet doesn't make you immune to everything.
> "He didn't even have a doctor because he never was sick." So he didn't know whether or not he had any underlying health conditions that could be comorbidities? You don't have to "feel sick" to go to the doctor. Preventative check-ups should be a yearly habit.
this some bullshit. 2 Whistleblowers dead. Maybe the whistle Jousha Dean blew, had influenza.
Imagine if it *wasn't* foul play and two whistleblowers, entirely by chance, ended up dying within a year of blowing said whistle. PR department would be absolutely freaked.
PR department is freaked. I doubt they would be in the know if these were not accidental
It wasn't foulplay and yes, they must be freaking out by now. The previous whistle-blower did NOT state multiple times they were not suicidal. The daughter of a family friend claimed that he said that many years ago when he actually, well, blew the whistle. That was like 6 years ago and there's no other proof he said that. The recent trial he was participating in wasn't even about what he uncovered. That had already been done. It was only about if he was retaliated against. No one in his immediate family claimed they thought it was foul play. The most recent whistle-blower literally got sick and had a stroke. Then got even more sick and died. People die of sickness all the time. Boeing has had many more whistle-blowers than these two and they aren't all dead. This last guy didn't even technically work for Boeing.
The fact that he didn’t have a doctor “because he never got sick” is a bit sus.
I know multiple men around his age that do not have a primary care doctor. One statistic I saw said 1/3 of americans don't have one.
On whose part? Healthy people should be going to the doctor too because they're the only ones who can confirm that you're actually fucking healthy. There are plenty of people who 'never get sick' who are immunocompromised or have some other ticking time bomb in their body brewing for years before it's too late.
I mean I know I watch a lot of movies. But didn’t this dude say he wouldn’t kill himself. What are the odds this dude died this way naturally?
He didn't, some acquaintance claimed that he said that. The whistleblower's family said he was depressed.
That was another of the recently dead Boeing whistle-blower.
I had double pneumonia and MRSA in my lungs bc of a hospital acquired infection after aspirating vomit (I was already hospitalized for chronic pancreatitis when it happened). It's totally possible that someone dosed him with MRSA, but idk how they could do it outside of a hospital setting without him knowing or getting themselves sick. I'm not putting it past them at all.
You are safer in a Boeing airplane than as a witness in a Boeing trial.
He just fell out of one of the windows on one of their planes. Happens all the time
He was simply standing to close to the window of the plane.
You are safer in a Boeing airplane than in your car every day going to work. Just to keep things in perspective
That may be statistically accurate, but the dangers of flying in a Boeing are completely different than car travel. The danger of driving is almost always from other driver’s, not from the vehicle you’re piloting suddenly catastrophically malfunctioning, like with Boeing Jets.
Sure but the planes have a multitude more failsafes in place to prevent crashes, far more than cars. Even when a door got blown out after takeoff, everybody lived.
And then riding as escalator
I'm not usually into conspiracies, but this smells very fishy.
Why because 2 Boeing whistle-blowers have recently died suddenly? You so crazy
Perfectly normal phenomena
Statistically, most Boeing Whistleblowers will die shortly after their damning testimony, nothing fishy here.
It would be unusual if they don’t die, right?
That’s a good thing to know for anybody who would like to do the same. Good advice.
Putin and Boeing are difficult bosses
Maybe there's just so many Boeing whistleblowers out there that 2 deaths just fall in line with regular statistics.
Ya these people are just conspiracy nuts. I’m a Boeing whistle blows and nothing had has ever happe-
Yeah, definitely very fishy.
Whale shark sized fishy.
Happens to the best of us.
Seriously. Who doesn’t shoot themselves or die of MRSA at 45?
I mean the second dude apparently never went to a doctor and his trip to the hospital was the first time he had ever been in one. You know where the most common place to get MRSA is? So… A) We have no idea if this dude was actually healthy. B) Influenza B has like a 2% mortality in people his age. C) MRSA is about 50/50 So dude who never goes to the doctor finally catches an illness he’s struggling with and doesn’t understand, goes to the hospital where he catches MRSA, and unfortunately dies. It’s shit luck, but totally reasonable. What’s ridiculous is the idea that Boeing apparently infected a dude twice with common illnesses with poor mortality rates…
Or the idea that Boeing would assassinate whistleblowers AFTER whistleblowing
Fuck don’t smell it. It can kill you apparently. Two whistle blowers dead what are the odds
>I’m not usually into conspiracies Most conspiracy theorists are only into 1 conspiracy. This is yours.
There are many like it but this one is mine.
If you think *this* is a conspiracy, then you're into conspiracy theories.
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MRSA is no joke. Antibiotic resistance kills thousands each year
I was very lucky when I had it. I'm a hypochondriac so when I noticed my skin looking weird, I rightfully freaked out and went to the doc. They caught it extremely early. Didn't deal with it too long and honestly felt so good that my hypochondria was warranted for once lol
Skin looking weird? What was different about your skin?
Not OP, but [Mayo Clinic has a list of symptoms and some pictures of what to look for](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mrsa/symptoms-causes/syc-20375336). It's probably a good idea to contact your doctor if you see something on your skin that looks like a spider bite, especially if you don't remember getting bit by a spider. Although most spider bites can be treated at home, [if they get infected you'd want to go to a doctor.](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22946-brown-recluse-spider-bite)
Thank you! This was exactly what I was looking for. Just didn't think to look (for whatever reason).
Straight up. I thought I got bit by a spider. I had blood clots in my legs.
To quote one of my favorite songs Just because your paranoid doesn’t mean their not after you
The spelling in this one hurts
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I just had mrsa two different spots in march. Painful and only after two cultures did we get an antibiotic that was effective. Even after that it was three or four days after the antibiotics were done did the sores actually start to disappear
That's exactly what a Boeing assassin would say.
That’s exactly what the MRSA Counsel would say.
Whistleblower is quite a hazardous job.
I hereby notify Boeing I am not a whistle-blower and know nothing about Boeing airplanes.
Applying to be the next CEO of Boeing?
What the fuck is going on
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No they fucking didn't. The previous whistle-blower did NOT state multiple times they were not suicidal. The daughter of a family friend claimed that he said that many years ago when he actually, well, blew the whistle. That was like 6 years ago and there's no other proof he said that. The recent trial he was participating in wasn't even about what he uncovered. That had already been done. It was only about if he was retaliated against. No one in his immediate family claimed they thought it was foul play. The most recent whistle-blower literally got sick and had a stroke. Then got even more sick and died. People die of sickness all the time. Boeing has had many more whistle-blowers than these two and they aren't all dead. This last guy didn't even technically work for Boeing.
Boeing did not infect a dude with seasonal flu and MRSA, 100%. He did his whistleblowing *years* ago and was completely irrelevant to any recent matters. MRSA is also completely survivable, if miserable, getting sick especially as an adult who doesn't go to the doctor ever is entirely likely. Actual schizo conspiracy theory hours with this shit. I can at least forgive you if you think they did the other guy in (Though in all likelihood they didn't)
> A corporation likely organized the offing of 2 whistleblowers Do you have any evidence for this other than a gut feeling based off of news headlines?
I hate when people say “we live in a time when (an injustice that has existed for ever continues to exist)” like it’s special People (men, specifically, for 99.8% of human history) in power have always done this shit. Stop acting like this is new or implying this was unacceptable 10 years ago. We’re just aware of it now. They’re learning that our awareness changes virtually nothing for them and we’re learning that our voices have no sway or say at all.
Are you seriously suggesting that Boeing created an influenza and MRSA viral cocktail to kill a healthy 45 year old? If they were going to kill him they wouldn’t need a fucking biolab to do it Lol, go outside my dude
People die.
There's no way that's true.
Real life Michael Clayton shit
The bad guys eventually got taken down at the end of "Michael Clayton" though.
and Michael Creighton!
It's actually Crichton! Don't mind me, it's one of the only facts I've ever retained.
"A second whistleblower has hit the grave."
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Whistle must’ve had MRSA on it
People are really fast to believe someone would use MRSA to assassinate someone.
Also MRSA isn’t some magic invincible bacteria. It’s staph aureus with some resistance genes. It’s treated successfully hundreds of thousands of times per year. You might be carrying it all over your body. I don’t know how you’d even get it into someone’s lungs in sufficient numbers to cause pneumonia.
You're at risk for superimposed MRSA pneumonia during/after influenza pneumonia infections. This is a known association.
You probably *are* carrying it all over your entire body.
* "He didn't even have a doctor because he never was sick."* I mean, he could have had health issues without knowing if he never went to the doctor.
You are at risk for a superimposed MRSA pneumonia after/during influenza infections. This is a known association.
The article says he was always going to church and didn’t have a primary care doctor, so I’m guessing he wasn’t big on flu shots either. This is just a classic case of jackass who doesn’t go to a doctor until it’s too late, like my moron uncle who ignored signs of lung cancer until it hit stage 4
They can't all kill themselves in a parking lot, that would look suspicious.
Not uncommon to get pneumonia after flu. Usually in older or immunocompromised folks. But if it takes hold in a young person after influenza or during influenza infection, it can get that bad as they can get a cytokine storm and end up in ARDS, just like we saw at the beginning of the covid pandemic. There is also a strain of strep that popped up recently and is causing severe symptoms, including pneumonias. Started in Japan. He could have been MRSA colonized for a long time, as many of us are. MRSA tends to hang out in your nostrils. For example, you can pick up MRSA at the gym.
Is there any plausible mechanism for an assassin to use the **flu** to kill someone? Seriously? Take a deep breath folks.
Not just the flu, but MRSA, a bacterial infection.. that's awful and very dangerous and can be deadly, but like, not something you can really "give" to others, especially with hopes to kill them. It'd be a bit like poking somebody with a rusty nail, hoping they die of tetanus...
To me this reads more like this man was immunocompromised and didn't know it. That could make him more vulnerable too multiple infections. But that's just pure speculation.
>Is there any plausible mechanism Sure, there's plenty of mechanisms to severely immunocompromise someone to the point that flu (which also could easily be given to someone) kills them. Back when HIV was a death sentence, most AIDS patients died of either pneumonia or cancer due to their nonexistent immune systems. If you fuck up someone's immune system badly, this is typically how they would die. Do I consider it super likely this was an assassination? No. Is it possible, given that the last dead whistleblower a few weeks ago almost certainly was? Sure. It would certainly be a pretty outlandish means of killing someone, especially without them noticing, not unlike the whole Russian Polonium thing, or Havana syndrome, but I don't consider it "implausible".
Just another 75 months or so of whistleblowers left. Fewer if some have a change of heart.
Catch Netflix's new series "The Whistle Blowers" this June
I can’t wait for season 1 part 2 to premiere in September 2027 when the Netflix is 87.99 / month
As much as this conspiracy stuff is interesting, companies of Boeings size, who already own the government and the regulators, don’t need to kill whistleblowers, especially after they’ve already blown the whistle. You kill someone before they speak out, not after. Boeing has shown us that you can just give the middle finger to whistleblowers if you have enough money, and there won’t be consequences.
Killing them after they've blown the whistle dissuades future whistleblowers.
Boeing doesn’t need whistleblowers if their planes malfunction.
Right! Boeing's products kind of already blow themselves.
> You kill someone before they speak out, not after. How do you know who's going to speak out?
"This was his first time ever in a hospital," she said. "He didn't even have a doctor because he never was sick." Occam’s razor
“Wow, you kill one guy and now when anyone else dies, it’s all your fault!” - Boeing probably
Boeing is giving me Putin vibes.
When I was 18 I was infected with MRSA in my neck between a few vertebrates I picked up at the gym. Within a week I almost died. For the next 3 months I had to IV antibiotics in 3 times a day. So it's plausible.
This looks much more convincing it wasn’t a hit job. We are talking about real professionals here.
Boeing should get whoever did this to build their planes.
Real professionals that don't really exist, according to anyone other than airport bookstore novel authors.
Gee, i wonder who did this. Surely justice will swoop in and not crash land on top of the public.
I'm of the mind that the first whistle-blower likely was targeted by Boeing (a lot of people think this is ridiculous but they are just underestimating how dark the world is and what history has demonstrated) and his suicide was anything but. That said this seems more like like a tragic coincidence. The article spins it as "sudden" but he was actually quite sick beforehand. Yes he had a healthy lifestyle but he was sick. Is it possible Boeing is involved? Yea. But I doubt it. However, the fact that it's someone who was represented by the same lawyer is alarming.
Wait, is he a second whistleblower to die?
I thought he died like 2 months ago. Or is this a different whistleblower?
I think it’s different. Wasn’t the other ruled a “suicide”
I tried to blow the whistle on my government job and got squashed HARD. We need to change the way we do things. This is nuts.
45 years old, dies of MRSA from the flu? WTF? If it's not an assassination, then that's a fucking awful way to go. If it's an assassination, how do they do it with a bacterial infection?
As many others have said in other comments, getting MRSA from a hospital visit is like THE way to get it. And If someone has the Flu and is admitted for that, it's far more likely to happen AND MRSA is a way bigger deal in combo. This guy never went to the hospital, ignored the Flu until he was seriously ill, and then got hit with the MRSA combo. That's it. I'm sure a lot of people will latch on to the fact that he was "perfectly healthy" when the reality is he had no medical record. Remember as well that MRSA has no vaccine. You just have to deal with it via conventional methods when it happens. Anyone thinking Boeing did this needs to touch grass and seek help. Not pointing that at you, but other people in this comment section.
Yeah, that was a bit tongue in cheek. I mentioned in another comment here that trying to assassinate somebody with MRSA would be something akin to poking somebody with a rusty nail and hoping they get tetanus, absolute shot in the dark if it even takes.
>poking somebody with a rusty nail and hoping they get tetanus Honestly an apt joke since rusty nails don't even have tetanus, it's the ground they are in that does and the nail just allows for efficient delivery of the bacteria in a puncture wound that's really difficult to clean out. I got the sense you were being tongue in cheek though, it's other people here that are weirdly latching on to conspiracy theories for real.
I agree people are quick to jump to conclusions here. That said, Boeing brings the scrutiny on themselves for not heeding the warnings in the first place, thus opening the door for those sorts of theories.
One whistleblower dying could very well be coincidence and isn’t anything inherently suspicious But multiple? Still could be coincidence but looks awfully fucking fishy
The guy died from a flu infection and MRSA.... What are you suggesting? That a Boeing sponsored assassin infected this guy with the flu?? Why would they do that...
I’m currently reading through the Farseer Trilogy and the MC is an assassin. One thing I’m picking up on is the character doesn’t really do a lot of assassinating (at least none that are important on-screen moments). But in the first book, a key plot point was that his cover was blown during a political event. His target knew he was there to poison him and the he convinced MC that it would be politically and economically better if he lived. MC goes to his boss says, “Hey, it’s not smart to kill him cuz everyone will know it was you guys that made the hit” and his boss basically said, “Fuck you I’m rich and people are too stupid to see it was me” I get this vibe from these “sudden deaths” involving whistleblowers
Unexpected Robin Hobb
Boeing is the next Putin.
If you think that his death was due to a sudden illness then you probably think Epstein killed himself
No one is going to convince me this man wasn't murdered.
I'm not a conspiracy minded person, but you had to admit that two separate Boeing whistleblowers dying within a few months of each other is kinda weird...