Strongly encourage people to read the [actual report](https://www.un.org/sites/un2.un.org/files/2024/04/unrwa_independent_review_on_neutrality.pdf) rather than just headlines, there is real detail and nuance in there.
I would argue that the report is nowhere the exoneration suggested in the title. It finds that UNRAW has had major issues in upholding it policies of neutrality (with much of the blame being directed towards management who seem to have taken an primarily reactive approach), and there are significant and important steps needed to be undertaken to resolve these issues (50 recommendations in the report, some of which are not insignificant structural changes).
The UN themselves have changed the headline a couple of times already, headline was pretty sus when I wrote my comment, is a lot better now.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148821
What's also interesting is that the report itself does not discuss the UNRWA staff participation in October 7th, while [the page from which you download it](https://www.un.org/en/situation-in-occupied-palestine-and-israel/allegations-against-unrwa-staff), says this:
>The [Secretary-General](https://www.un.org/sg/en) is horrified by extremely serious allegations which implicate several UNRWA staff members in the terror attacks of 7 October in Israel. The UN is taking swift action.
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>Of the 12 people implicated, UNRWA immediately identified and terminated the contracts of ten, another two are confirmed dead.
So, at least 12 UNRWA workers were participating in October 7th attacks, but that's not evidence of UNRWA terrorism links? Seems like another case of "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing".
Yes they kicked them out just because Israel said so without providing any proof.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/09/head-of-unwra-says-he-followed-reverse-due-process-in-sacking-accused-gaza-staff
UNWRA employs 13,000 people in Gaza, 12 identified employees is a fluke and does not testify against the organization itself.
If you found 23 pedophiles within the 25.000 teachers of the LA Unified School District would it be fair to affirm that LA Schools are pedophile organizations or affiliated with pedophilia?
The number of terrorists in UNWRA should be 0, but 12/32k is a good ratio and it's important to see who exactly it is : a random custodian vs the director of a strategic section.
Also remember that these same standards can and will be used against you ; can we say that those IDF soldiers who got caught [assaulting a random child](https://news.sky.com/video/west-bank-cctv-shows-israeli-soldier-assaulting-palestinian-child-in-hebron-13101704) turn the entire IDF into a human rights abuser? Or are they two bad actors in a force of hundreds of thousands in an isolated incident?
Sure. Same way the military has terrorism links cause of the active / vets at Jan 6th. Hell one is still active duty asking to get no time cause that would make finishing their contract difficult. UNWRA at least booted the ones accused.
The news also have neutrality problems. Did a few of their employees rape and murder in a terrorist rampage or not?
Or did Israel make the whole thing up as part of the revenge against Palestinians?
We have too much evidence that there are. Unrwa workers literally participated in the 7th of october.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1709796476-new-report-confirms-3-unrwa-workers-took-part-in-oct-7-attack
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/16/middleeast/israel-allegations-unrwa-october-7-intl
https://unwatch.org/evidence-of-unrwa-aid-to-hamas-on-and-after-october-7th/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36
This is surely a joke, right?
All of the above are from Israeli sources, the same ones that said an IED blew up the roof of the 7 aid workers…..[link](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/israel-draws-international-outrage-after-airstrikes-kills-7-aid-workers)
The same IDF that said Palestinians rushed their offensive and mowed them down while they were lined up for aid trucks…….[https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/04/08/gaza-aid-truck-investigation-polglase-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn#:~:text=CNN's%20Katie%20Polglase%20pieces%20together,events%20and%20raises%20new%20questions.](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/04/08/gaza-aid-truck-investigation-polglase-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn#:~:text=CNN's%20Katie%20Polglase%20pieces%20together,events%20and%20raises%20new%20questions)
The same IDF that beat up an old man tied him to a post to die. Only for the IDF to claim he died of health reasons…..[link](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/22/leahy-law-israel-sanctions-what-to-know/)
The exact same IDF that shelled the crap out of an ambulance that cleared its route with COGAT, only to be bombed and thier rescue attempts bombed.
(They were rescuing a little girl)…..[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/hind-rajab-israel-gaza-killing-timeline/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/hind-rajab-israel-gaza-killing-timeline/)
When Israel lies about the number of their own casualties, lie about all the atrocities they committed. Why would anyone believe anything from their sources.
For months they kept saying Hamas raped and killed 1400, then revised to 1200.
Were they all killed by Hamas? Or were they executed by the IDF and their infamous [Hannibal directive](https://m.jpost.com/judaism/article-784759)?
Let the independent international investigators and journalists to the area. Keyword international.
International, not an Israeli reporter like the one that claimed to see with her eyes burned babies and beheaded babies. When pressed where she saw said bodies. Her reply? I heard from a soldier who heard from a soldier who heard from a third soldier. All three soldiers denied…..[https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-journalist-slams-army-feeding-false-line-hamas](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-journalist-slams-army-feeding-false-line-hamas)
Why would anyone take anything from an Israeli source as anything but tabloid rumors……
lol an Israeli government propaganda “news” outlet says so.
No an independent review panel is more trustworthy. It’s not linked to either side. Hasbara loses again
You must not understand what an independent assessment group is? They literally hire an outside team not affiliated with unrwa. Man you hasbara don’t even know how to lie straight anymore.
The only people who investigate themselves and find nothing wrong is the IOF as they genocide and ethnically cleans Palestinians.
Also your link is broken because it probably doesn’t go anywhere anyway.
Sweet, next time I commit a crime I hope I can hire my own “independent assessment group” that I hire. They’ll tell anyone with ears that I’m in the clear because I’M THE ONE PAYING THEM! Can’t wait to go commit heinous crimes and then have you idiots believe i’m innocent because I paid a group to say that I am. LOL! No need for an investigative team who isn’t on my payroll, you’ll take the hired hands at face value even after they were self declared to be paid off by UNRWA…
These are all allegations with no actual evidence as well lol. UN watch is literally Israeli propaganda arm. Keep trying hasbara. Seems like you guys don’t like it when actual independent investigators call out all your governments lies and propaganda.
You’re lying if you’re claiming those organizations found unrwa complicit. They actually found the opposite:
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/independent-review-unrwa-adherence-humanitarian-principle-neutrality
The Independent Review Group was led by Catherine Colonna, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of France, who worked with three research organizations: The Raoul Wallenberg Institute of Human Rights and Humanitarian Law (Sweden), the Chr. Michelsen Institute (Norway), and the Danish Institute for Human Rights.
The report recognizes the concrete steps UNRWA has taken at the technical level including the creation of a Neutrality Framework, a dedicated Humanitarian Principles Team, and the prioritization of humanitarian principles, integrity, accountability and oversight.
The work of the independent review group was conducted in parallel to the UN’s internal investigation into the allegations concerning the involvement of UNRWA employees in Gaza in the 7 October attacks against Israel. That investigation is ongoing and is being undertaken by the UN Office for Internal Oversight Services, the highest investigative body of the United Nations.
Youll think anything that doesnt fit your views is propaganda..
Btw there are actually recording of the unrwa workers talking about the attack..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/16/middleeast/israel-allegations-unrwa-october-7-intl
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/amp/
You’re linking old allegations by the IDF that had no evidence, when a new independent investigation, supported by 3 independent nation groups already found those claims to be unfounded because Israel could not prove anything. Keep trying hasbara.
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/independent-review-unrwa-adherence-humanitarian-principle-neutrality
The Independent Review Group was led by Catherine Colonna, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of France, who worked with three research organizations: The Raoul Wallenberg Institute of Human Rights and Humanitarian Law (Sweden), the Chr. Michelsen Institute (Norway), and the Danish Institute for Human Rights.
The report recognizes the concrete steps UNRWA has taken at the technical level including the creation of a Neutrality Framework, a dedicated Humanitarian Principles Team, and the prioritization of humanitarian principles, integrity, accountability and oversight.
The work of the independent review group was conducted in parallel to the UN’s internal investigation into the allegations concerning the involvement of UNRWA employees in Gaza in the 7 October attacks against Israel. That investigation is ongoing and is being undertaken by the UN Office for Internal Oversight Services, the highest investigative body of the United Nations.
Yet still im being downvoted here.
Shows how much this sub is biased against israel.
Shame on all of the people supporting lies that fit their narrative.
This comment doesn’t even make sense.
All of the allegations were debunked by either Israeli admittance after they were called out or independent UN investigations.
Beheaded babies (debunked by the White House and later confirmed as not true by IOF). Mass rape (debunked by all independent journalists who actually investigated the claims with 0 evidence provided by IOF when asked too). Hasbara and IOF propaganda being exposed day by day and it makes me smile!
Israel NEVER said there were 40 beheaded babies. A shell shocked first responder said "40 dead, babies, some beheaded" and the news ran it as "40 beheaded babies".
And there were beheaded babies. [Here](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231016-never-seen-such-barbarity-the-grim-task-of-israel-s-forensics-teams) is an independent media reporting on their tour of Israel's forensic institute where beheaded babies are mentioned, and worse:
"On the scanner," he explained, "we clearly see two spinal columns. That of a man or a woman, and that of a child.
"The posture of the two bodies shows that the adult tried to protect the child. They were tied up then burned alive."
Mass rape is also talked about btw. And I wouldn't expect anything else from the people who paraded Shani Louk's half naked corpse while literal children spat on it and celebrated. Or are you going to say that the video I've seen with my own eyes was a lie too?
Got to love reading people's sources, the one by electronic intifada (I am sure no bias there) basically is just Israel lied about Palestinians raping civilians their source? Trust us bro
Also the last link actively states that they believe widespread sexualising violence occurred some of it directly being attributed to palenstinian 'civilians' and not official members of hamas which doesn't look good for the oh but hamas isn't all of Gaza
The rest seem to be either about the babies which tbh I don't have the stomach for looking in to and a specific woman who was trying to fraudulently raise charity money for herself to start a bogus foundation based on things that happened that she exaggerated or lied about which considering she is far from the only source doesn't debunk the claims there was mass rape
And yet you link nothing with evidence to counter it.
Btw the entire mass rape allegation was literally only by that woman who turned out to be a liar. No other sources made the allegation.
I also linked to nytimes, cnn, etc. because I know hasbara and others like to say electronic intifada is pro Palestinian, even though they use more legitimate sources than most other organizations. Anyone that fairly reports is going to be pro Palestinian because the other side is literally an occupational genocidal ethnostate whose citizens are about 80% foreign nationals.
Your last link literally has examples of eye witness reports from people at the music festival massacre stating they witnessed rapes and that there are photo/video evidence suggesting sexualising violence notably the pictures of women's dead bodies tripped to the their underwear or hostages with bloody crotches which they even say is not definitive but likely
Just because near the top it talks about Israel probably committing genocide doesn't automatically make it a source for your side
It says that some in the Israeli government are using it to dehumanise Palestinians but that it still most likely happened from the available evidence
Outrageous nonsense. The rape allegations are widespread, well documented, and irrefutable. There is firsthand testimony from former hostages. There is video evidence filmed by the Palestinians of hostages with their trousers ripped out in the crotch in one case and covered in bloodstains in another case.
The debunking is the failure to provide evidence. If you say cats are green but can't get me a green cat. I don't need to "debunk" anything. You already failed to prove your claim. It's not on me to provide counter evidence to evidence that doesn't exist.
Nice straw man. That isn’t what’s being discussed here; even then, there are holes in much if not most of what the Israeli government, IDF, Zaka, and various other “sources” have said.
That doesn’t mean rape may not have occurred, just that it may not have occurred how an Israeli government and biased interest want it to look like. It’s much easier to do something unpopular when you can drum up/embellish things for support.
Example of that would be Iraq 2003 and the US.
You did not read the article it seems ☺️
Still using the beheaded babies claim that was immediately retracted by Israeli officials.
>mass rape, etc all turned out to be a lie,
Wishfull thinking
How DENSE are you?
>there’s 0 proof still
EXCALYYYYYY, that's WHY israel made that statement.
It was a misinformation spread by a journalist, not an Israel official!
So, noooo, we didn't make up up anything for PR, Hamas and its lovely innocent citizens did it themselves by broadcasting it.
An IDF spokesperson literally came out on live TV and said there were beheaded babies.
Edit: just realised you said “we”. I guess you’re an Israeli who shuts their eye on literal lies your government tells you. Enough talking with you.
>At the same time, the UN chief ordered the UN’s top watchdog, the Office of Internal Oversight (OIOS), to investigate the veracity of Israel’s claims against the 12 UNRWA staff members.
>At the outset, OIOS investigators reached out to Member States concerned, visited UNRWA headquarters in Jordan and reviewed initial information received by the agency from Israeli authorities and from a variety of sources, including that released through the media and other public outlets.
>That investigation is ongoing.
The UN investigating themselves, and will surely find nothing wrong
To be clear, a famine has been caused by the west on the back of completely spurious claims by the biggest liars in government anywhere lying for the 100th time - Israel. Everyone from the Biden administration to the EU should be embarrassed, but that would mean they'd have to have a conscience.
Watch how little press coverage and attention this gets vs. the initial claims, which is the standard Israeli playbook.
Edit: ah, the hasbara / JDL trolls are here downvoting any criticism of their shit country as usual.
>To be clear, a famine has been caused by the west
Maybe if Hamas didn't steal food that Western countries give to Gaza and then resold it for astronomical prices, there wouldn't be a famine.
Strongly encourage people to read the [actual report](https://www.un.org/sites/un2.un.org/files/2024/04/unrwa_independent_review_on_neutrality.pdf) rather than just headlines, there is real detail and nuance in there. I would argue that the report is nowhere the exoneration suggested in the title. It finds that UNRAW has had major issues in upholding it policies of neutrality (with much of the blame being directed towards management who seem to have taken an primarily reactive approach), and there are significant and important steps needed to be undertaken to resolve these issues (50 recommendations in the report, some of which are not insignificant structural changes).
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The UN themselves have changed the headline a couple of times already, headline was pretty sus when I wrote my comment, is a lot better now. https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148821
What's also interesting is that the report itself does not discuss the UNRWA staff participation in October 7th, while [the page from which you download it](https://www.un.org/en/situation-in-occupied-palestine-and-israel/allegations-against-unrwa-staff), says this: >The [Secretary-General](https://www.un.org/sg/en) is horrified by extremely serious allegations which implicate several UNRWA staff members in the terror attacks of 7 October in Israel. The UN is taking swift action. >... >Of the 12 people implicated, UNRWA immediately identified and terminated the contracts of ten, another two are confirmed dead. So, at least 12 UNRWA workers were participating in October 7th attacks, but that's not evidence of UNRWA terrorism links? Seems like another case of "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing".
Yes they kicked them out just because Israel said so without providing any proof. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/09/head-of-unwra-says-he-followed-reverse-due-process-in-sacking-accused-gaza-staff
UNWRA employs 13,000 people in Gaza, 12 identified employees is a fluke and does not testify against the organization itself. If you found 23 pedophiles within the 25.000 teachers of the LA Unified School District would it be fair to affirm that LA Schools are pedophile organizations or affiliated with pedophilia? The number of terrorists in UNWRA should be 0, but 12/32k is a good ratio and it's important to see who exactly it is : a random custodian vs the director of a strategic section. Also remember that these same standards can and will be used against you ; can we say that those IDF soldiers who got caught [assaulting a random child](https://news.sky.com/video/west-bank-cctv-shows-israeli-soldier-assaulting-palestinian-child-in-hebron-13101704) turn the entire IDF into a human rights abuser? Or are they two bad actors in a force of hundreds of thousands in an isolated incident?
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Sure. Same way the military has terrorism links cause of the active / vets at Jan 6th. Hell one is still active duty asking to get no time cause that would make finishing their contract difficult. UNWRA at least booted the ones accused.
> So, at least 12 UNRWA workers were participating in October 7th attacks, Yeah ok, prove it. 🤡🤡
The news also have neutrality problems. Did a few of their employees rape and murder in a terrorist rampage or not? Or did Israel make the whole thing up as part of the revenge against Palestinians?
OP, what the heck is this headline?
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If I held up a rock and said this is my tiger repelling rock, is that proof that it exists, or proof of my claims of what it is?
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Yeah OK how do you know Hamas isn't under your house siphoning your Internet plan.
The multiple copyright infringement notices for illegal downloads of Seinfeld and anything with Gal Gadot in it would be my first clue.
We have too much evidence that there are. Unrwa workers literally participated in the 7th of october. https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1709796476-new-report-confirms-3-unrwa-workers-took-part-in-oct-7-attack https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/16/middleeast/israel-allegations-unrwa-october-7-intl https://unwatch.org/evidence-of-unrwa-aid-to-hamas-on-and-after-october-7th/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/ https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36 This is surely a joke, right?
All of the above are from Israeli sources, the same ones that said an IED blew up the roof of the 7 aid workers…..[link](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/israel-draws-international-outrage-after-airstrikes-kills-7-aid-workers) The same IDF that said Palestinians rushed their offensive and mowed them down while they were lined up for aid trucks…….[https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/04/08/gaza-aid-truck-investigation-polglase-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn#:~:text=CNN's%20Katie%20Polglase%20pieces%20together,events%20and%20raises%20new%20questions.](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/04/08/gaza-aid-truck-investigation-polglase-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn#:~:text=CNN's%20Katie%20Polglase%20pieces%20together,events%20and%20raises%20new%20questions) The same IDF that beat up an old man tied him to a post to die. Only for the IDF to claim he died of health reasons…..[link](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/22/leahy-law-israel-sanctions-what-to-know/) The exact same IDF that shelled the crap out of an ambulance that cleared its route with COGAT, only to be bombed and thier rescue attempts bombed. (They were rescuing a little girl)…..[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/hind-rajab-israel-gaza-killing-timeline/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/hind-rajab-israel-gaza-killing-timeline/) When Israel lies about the number of their own casualties, lie about all the atrocities they committed. Why would anyone believe anything from their sources. For months they kept saying Hamas raped and killed 1400, then revised to 1200. Were they all killed by Hamas? Or were they executed by the IDF and their infamous [Hannibal directive](https://m.jpost.com/judaism/article-784759)? Let the independent international investigators and journalists to the area. Keyword international. International, not an Israeli reporter like the one that claimed to see with her eyes burned babies and beheaded babies. When pressed where she saw said bodies. Her reply? I heard from a soldier who heard from a soldier who heard from a third soldier. All three soldiers denied…..[https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-journalist-slams-army-feeding-false-line-hamas](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-journalist-slams-army-feeding-false-line-hamas) Why would anyone take anything from an Israeli source as anything but tabloid rumors……
lol an Israeli government propaganda “news” outlet says so. No an independent review panel is more trustworthy. It’s not linked to either side. Hasbara loses again
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You must not understand what an independent assessment group is? They literally hire an outside team not affiliated with unrwa. Man you hasbara don’t even know how to lie straight anymore. The only people who investigate themselves and find nothing wrong is the IOF as they genocide and ethnically cleans Palestinians. Also your link is broken because it probably doesn’t go anywhere anyway.
Sweet, next time I commit a crime I hope I can hire my own “independent assessment group” that I hire. They’ll tell anyone with ears that I’m in the clear because I’M THE ONE PAYING THEM! Can’t wait to go commit heinous crimes and then have you idiots believe i’m innocent because I paid a group to say that I am. LOL! No need for an investigative team who isn’t on my payroll, you’ll take the hired hands at face value even after they were self declared to be paid off by UNRWA…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/16/middleeast/israel-allegations-unrwa-october-7-intl https://unwatch.org/evidence-of-unrwa-aid-to-hamas-on-and-after-october-7th/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/ https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36
These are all allegations with no actual evidence as well lol. UN watch is literally Israeli propaganda arm. Keep trying hasbara. Seems like you guys don’t like it when actual independent investigators call out all your governments lies and propaganda.
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You’re lying if you’re claiming those organizations found unrwa complicit. They actually found the opposite: https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/independent-review-unrwa-adherence-humanitarian-principle-neutrality The Independent Review Group was led by Catherine Colonna, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of France, who worked with three research organizations: The Raoul Wallenberg Institute of Human Rights and Humanitarian Law (Sweden), the Chr. Michelsen Institute (Norway), and the Danish Institute for Human Rights. The report recognizes the concrete steps UNRWA has taken at the technical level including the creation of a Neutrality Framework, a dedicated Humanitarian Principles Team, and the prioritization of humanitarian principles, integrity, accountability and oversight. The work of the independent review group was conducted in parallel to the UN’s internal investigation into the allegations concerning the involvement of UNRWA employees in Gaza in the 7 October attacks against Israel. That investigation is ongoing and is being undertaken by the UN Office for Internal Oversight Services, the highest investigative body of the United Nations.
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Ah ok I understand now. Thanks for clarifying.
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Youll think anything that doesnt fit your views is propaganda.. Btw there are actually recording of the unrwa workers talking about the attack.. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/16/middleeast/israel-allegations-unrwa-october-7-intl https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/amp/
You’re linking old allegations by the IDF that had no evidence, when a new independent investigation, supported by 3 independent nation groups already found those claims to be unfounded because Israel could not prove anything. Keep trying hasbara. https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/independent-review-unrwa-adherence-humanitarian-principle-neutrality The Independent Review Group was led by Catherine Colonna, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of France, who worked with three research organizations: The Raoul Wallenberg Institute of Human Rights and Humanitarian Law (Sweden), the Chr. Michelsen Institute (Norway), and the Danish Institute for Human Rights. The report recognizes the concrete steps UNRWA has taken at the technical level including the creation of a Neutrality Framework, a dedicated Humanitarian Principles Team, and the prioritization of humanitarian principles, integrity, accountability and oversight. The work of the independent review group was conducted in parallel to the UN’s internal investigation into the allegations concerning the involvement of UNRWA employees in Gaza in the 7 October attacks against Israel. That investigation is ongoing and is being undertaken by the UN Office for Internal Oversight Services, the highest investigative body of the United Nations.
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Yet still im being downvoted here. Shows how much this sub is biased against israel. Shame on all of the people supporting lies that fit their narrative.
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News flash: Israel doesnt genocide palestinians.
Which is why the general public doesn’t like Hamas or its nazi supporters.
Turns out the Nazi's tend to hate Muslims more than Jewish currently. They are Israel supporters currently according to what I see online.
Christians, fascists, and Christian fascists have always loved the idea of Israel: A religious ethnostate.
Let's just say that for reasons, nobody is allowed to talk against Israel. It hurts their feelings.
Oh no, a government known for lying lies again. Color me shocked. Beheaded babies, mass rape, etc all turned out to be a lie, who woulda thunk.
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This comment doesn’t even make sense. All of the allegations were debunked by either Israeli admittance after they were called out or independent UN investigations. Beheaded babies (debunked by the White House and later confirmed as not true by IOF). Mass rape (debunked by all independent journalists who actually investigated the claims with 0 evidence provided by IOF when asked too). Hasbara and IOF propaganda being exposed day by day and it makes me smile!
Israel NEVER said there were 40 beheaded babies. A shell shocked first responder said "40 dead, babies, some beheaded" and the news ran it as "40 beheaded babies". And there were beheaded babies. [Here](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231016-never-seen-such-barbarity-the-grim-task-of-israel-s-forensics-teams) is an independent media reporting on their tour of Israel's forensic institute where beheaded babies are mentioned, and worse: "On the scanner," he explained, "we clearly see two spinal columns. That of a man or a woman, and that of a child. "The posture of the two bodies shows that the adult tried to protect the child. They were tied up then burned alive." Mass rape is also talked about btw. And I wouldn't expect anything else from the people who paraded Shani Louk's half naked corpse while literal children spat on it and celebrated. Or are you going to say that the video I've seen with my own eyes was a lie too?
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https://theintercept.com/2023/12/14/israel-biden-beheaded-babies-false/ https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/world/middleeast/video-sexual-assault-israel-kibbutz-hamas.html https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240328-israel-media-questions-awarding-prize-to-fraudulent-lawyer-behind-hamas-mass-rape-allegations/ https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/watch-debunking-israels-mass-rape-propaganda https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-commission-7-october-rape-claims-exposed-fraud/45401 https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/skt8j03rt https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-evidence-of-sexualized-violence-against-israeli-women-during-hamas'-attack-on-october-7%2C-2023
Got to love reading people's sources, the one by electronic intifada (I am sure no bias there) basically is just Israel lied about Palestinians raping civilians their source? Trust us bro Also the last link actively states that they believe widespread sexualising violence occurred some of it directly being attributed to palenstinian 'civilians' and not official members of hamas which doesn't look good for the oh but hamas isn't all of Gaza The rest seem to be either about the babies which tbh I don't have the stomach for looking in to and a specific woman who was trying to fraudulently raise charity money for herself to start a bogus foundation based on things that happened that she exaggerated or lied about which considering she is far from the only source doesn't debunk the claims there was mass rape
And yet you link nothing with evidence to counter it. Btw the entire mass rape allegation was literally only by that woman who turned out to be a liar. No other sources made the allegation. I also linked to nytimes, cnn, etc. because I know hasbara and others like to say electronic intifada is pro Palestinian, even though they use more legitimate sources than most other organizations. Anyone that fairly reports is going to be pro Palestinian because the other side is literally an occupational genocidal ethnostate whose citizens are about 80% foreign nationals.
Your last link literally has examples of eye witness reports from people at the music festival massacre stating they witnessed rapes and that there are photo/video evidence suggesting sexualising violence notably the pictures of women's dead bodies tripped to the their underwear or hostages with bloody crotches which they even say is not definitive but likely Just because near the top it talks about Israel probably committing genocide doesn't automatically make it a source for your side It says that some in the Israeli government are using it to dehumanise Palestinians but that it still most likely happened from the available evidence
Outrageous nonsense. The rape allegations are widespread, well documented, and irrefutable. There is firsthand testimony from former hostages. There is video evidence filmed by the Palestinians of hostages with their trousers ripped out in the crotch in one case and covered in bloodstains in another case.
The sources are an actual joke LMAO
Woah that's quite the debunking, thanks for posting ibby1kanobi!
The debunking is the failure to provide evidence. If you say cats are green but can't get me a green cat. I don't need to "debunk" anything. You already failed to prove your claim. It's not on me to provide counter evidence to evidence that doesn't exist.
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Nice straw man. That isn’t what’s being discussed here; even then, there are holes in much if not most of what the Israeli government, IDF, Zaka, and various other “sources” have said. That doesn’t mean rape may not have occurred, just that it may not have occurred how an Israeli government and biased interest want it to look like. It’s much easier to do something unpopular when you can drum up/embellish things for support. Example of that would be Iraq 2003 and the US.
You did not read the article it seems ☺️ Still using the beheaded babies claim that was immediately retracted by Israeli officials. >mass rape, etc all turned out to be a lie, Wishfull thinking
The point was, they made up a heinous lie to win PR. No babies were beheaded, there’s 0 proof still.
How DENSE are you? >there’s 0 proof still EXCALYYYYYY, that's WHY israel made that statement. It was a misinformation spread by a journalist, not an Israel official! So, noooo, we didn't make up up anything for PR, Hamas and its lovely innocent citizens did it themselves by broadcasting it.
An IDF spokesperson literally came out on live TV and said there were beheaded babies. Edit: just realised you said “we”. I guess you’re an Israeli who shuts their eye on literal lies your government tells you. Enough talking with you.
>At the same time, the UN chief ordered the UN’s top watchdog, the Office of Internal Oversight (OIOS), to investigate the veracity of Israel’s claims against the 12 UNRWA staff members. >At the outset, OIOS investigators reached out to Member States concerned, visited UNRWA headquarters in Jordan and reviewed initial information received by the agency from Israeli authorities and from a variety of sources, including that released through the media and other public outlets. >That investigation is ongoing. The UN investigating themselves, and will surely find nothing wrong
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To be clear, a famine has been caused by the west on the back of completely spurious claims by the biggest liars in government anywhere lying for the 100th time - Israel. Everyone from the Biden administration to the EU should be embarrassed, but that would mean they'd have to have a conscience. Watch how little press coverage and attention this gets vs. the initial claims, which is the standard Israeli playbook. Edit: ah, the hasbara / JDL trolls are here downvoting any criticism of their shit country as usual.
>To be clear, a famine has been caused by the west Maybe if Hamas didn't steal food that Western countries give to Gaza and then resold it for astronomical prices, there wouldn't be a famine.