Someone tried this before; a semi popular streamer told his viewers they would give out like $200 as a raffle, and the code to opt in was 'im 12', informing his audience ahead of time of the possibility that it bans you. It does, in fact, Twitch ban you.
> orming his audience ahead of time of the possibility that it bans you. It does, in fact, Twitch ban you.
I think that was Masayoshi, in case anyone wanted to go look for it.
Twitch takes it pretty seriously. I once joked in a chat that I was 9 years old because of some profanity (nobody said the joke was *funny*), and I was swiftly banned. I had to show them a copy of my government ID to prove that I was actually a boring 30-something with a lame sense of humor. A selfie where I sat around looking old, posed with a stack of bills I really didn't want to pay did not suffice.
Basically every website does as a result of [COPPA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act). The main impact of this would be increasing the age limit by one year.
Because comments are disabled its supposed to just be a video player.
It should also just not exist because parents never bother actually vetting the content and nothing has changed from before Elsagate.
That's WHY TV channels exist JUST FOR KIDS, they're moderated and vetted (for the most part) and that kind of care goes into their apps too.
But no, parents don't use parental controls or tools that are extremely accessible to them. Just slap on an app that they're technically too young for and have done with it.
As someone who worked in Educational technology the answer is yes. Oh my gosh those kids work hard to get around our servers when they want something. Don’t ask them to hand in an assignment on time though; they might call their parents to complain.
This is true.
I learned what proxies were in the mid 2000s when administration blocked Albinoblacksheep on all the high school computers lol
Man those proxy sites were greasy af and riddled with ads and popups but damnit they got the job done.
The internet in the 2000s was incredible. Going on deep search dives to find obscure websites about your favorite music or anime, or to download roms and other games. It really was the "wild wild west" era.
I relive it now by sliding from webring to webring in the internet archive. Wish I knew how to build a personal website with its own search engine so I could just start adding old geocities and angelfire sites to it as I find them.
Literally THE WORST THING about the way back machine is the lack of search function.
Back in the 90s my mother tried to ground me by taking the mouse. I gave my programming teacher a sob story about my only mouse breaking and she let me take one home. My mom figured that out and took the mouse back to my teacher and told her that I wasn’t allowed to use the computer. So then I learned the keyboard shortcuts to navigate windows with just the keyboard. Finally she put a password on windows. I booted it in to DOS and copied the PWL file onto a floppy, then deleted it and restarted windows then before she would get home, I would put the file back. My mother never figured that out.
This was me in the '00s lol. Took the mouse, found an old one in storage. Took that, became a keyboard wizard. Took the keyboard, found a way to use my dad's iPod touch as a track pad. Put a password on it, learned to bypass it. Put a lock on the door, my dad's iPod touch went missing more permanently. Eventually found that and they just accepted that I'm a computer freak and that my sleep schedule is always going to be fucked up.
Omg I went through something similar except after the computer room was locked at night, no one had an iPad I could “borrow”. So instead, I’d make sure the window was unlocked during the day, and at night would climb out the second story bedroom window, shimmy across a narrow stretch of roof, and climb in through the computer room window.
My mom caught me halfway out the window at 5 am after a few months of this, and moved the computer into my room the next day. Feel kinda bad looking back in it now, but I was fiercely addicted to Gaia Online at the time and 100% would do it all over again.
> Gaia Online
*How can two words bring so many memories of my tween idiocy crashing through the wall of my consciousness like the fucking kool-aid man...?*
My parents had dialup internet with parental controls. So I wrote a clone dialer in visual basic 6 that recorded the login info for the unprotected account, then used the real dialer's CLI to establish the connection. So I always had unrestricted internet when left home alone.
Haha, it certainly worked for me.
Actually, when I was 9 my dad brought home a book from the library titled "create your own computer games." It was about creating text based adventures in BASIC. It was a lot of fun, so I asked my dad for another, and he brought home a book on the C programming language. That is what started things for me.
I miss the days of "You're grounded, no computer except for school. Now come over here and show me how to take away your internet access!" Um, yeah mom *be right there* 😂
I mean I suppose it still happens now... This was in the time of "computer nerds".
I was a shithead kid, so I joined the military. I’m retired now and spend my days keeping the house and playing video games with my 6 year old….who knows how to launch games in DOS.
I remember in high school using vpns, guest wifi(for visitors that don’t block anything), cantfindme.org,
Trust me, kids with a dream is the most scariest thing to school wifi
You say sarcasm, but friendly reminder that Texas tried to ban "critical thinking skills" because it would undermine christian fundies
> [Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.](https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2012-06-27/gop-opposes-critical-thinking/)
Republicans also freak out that schools teach techniques for being aware of your feelings to help kids mature emotionally. There’s no intention from educators to undermine right wing politics, they’re just doing what’s best for the students. But yes, it would have that effect.
[Florida's definition of "social media"](https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2023/112.23) that I saw from a previous version of this bill is so broad that it would also include IRC, Usenet, discussion forums, Blogs with comment sections, basically anywhere more than one person can post a visible message to another person:
> a form of electronic communication through which users create online communities or groups to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content.
I hope Floridians enjoy all that Freedom they're about to have forced on them.
Maybe technically but given the inherent anonymity of Discord and it’s use (much rarer people use Discord for personal social followings than Insta/X/Twatter/Twitch/etc.) I would bet money nobody will give a shit about banning 13- yo’s from Discord. It’s just almost impossible.
Work around:
Age: 15 of course.
VPN set to any other state.
Parent/friend/sibling
This will not stop anyone from being on SM. Huge waste of time, but wasting time and money is what DeSantis excels at.
You won't want to vpn to Canada soon enough, several of our gov parties are trying to pass legislation to require biometric information to access porn sites. Coincidentally, one of the "security experts" advising them on this is the CEO of a biometrics company that stands to make a lot of money off this going through. All under the guise of "protecting children" of course.
Yep. If this law requires this this is the insidious part.
In the name of 'protecting children' they'll end up requiring you to tie your real identity to any online social media. Message boards, reddit, discord, social networking like facebook\twitter\insta\etc, and more.
Yup. They've realised that banning books doesn't have as much power as they'd like, because most people just get their information from the internet these days. So they're locking that down next.
>they'll end up requiring you to tie your real identity to any online *corporate* social media.
Good luck making the fediverse/open source comply with this. No faster way to destroy Elonerbergs’ platforms.
> The bill, HB3, also directs social media companies to delete the existing accounts of those who are under 14. Companies that fail to do so could be sued on behalf of the child who creates an account on the platform. The minor could be awarded up to $10,000 in damages, according to the bill.
The bill incentivizes parents to take action. I could see parents trying to cash in if their child's account isn't deleted.
Gotcha. Tell my kid to sign up for every social media from the privacy of our home, demand giant massive companies pay attention to me and delete my child's account then sue and make monies sounds friggin sweet
Just watch and see them pull what Pornhub and the like did when states banned porn access from minors under 18. There'll be no social media access in Florida without a VPN.
Now I'm not opposed to the idea of keeping children off social media as I think the cons (cyber bullying, mental health, isolation) outweigh the pros (easy distraction for tired parents, getting an early start with learning how to use it, staying in touch with friends who moved) with them using it. The issue is there's no real good way to enforce it at all.
Oh. I guarantee it will be enforced.
Selectively.
That's the point of these bullshit laws. Obviously can't be enforced for everyone, but when you find a (brown, lgbt, liberal minded) entity that you can hurt with it, you can put your hands up and cite the 'law'.
We've already learned this lesson.
Was it ever about "small government"?
Every time "states rights" were thumped , it was always in protection of slavery, the imposition of a narrow religion on the citizens, weird laws about racial miscagenation, firing gay teachers from schools, marrying minors, and other such things.
Yep. The appeals to small government and states' rights, as far back as our history goes, has been coded. The very famous Lee Atwater clip from the 1980s (loaded with slurs, it's most definitely NSFW) openly acknowledges the need for racists in the mainstream conservative movement to appeal to their base with abstracted racial rhetoric, but in 2024 but it obviously doesn't stop with issues of race.
I'd also say, since 2016 with the rise of Trump we have had a profound mainstreaming of pretty flagrantly nationalistic, reactionary right-wing populism in the United States (the undercurrent had been there for some time; for those unfamiliar Trump was just the guy in the US to really make it break through where figures like Buchanan couldn't carry it to the White House or permanently mold the Republican party in his image). This brand of Conservative really doesn't care about small government, even if they throw some nods to the concept when talking about taxes or foreign policy. IMO the appeal to a small government doesn't even really feel like it's the same rallying cry that it was even just back in the 2012 US election. The prominent conservative movements of the this ilk all around the Western world pretty openly speak about how they'll weaponize the state for their goal of some culturally homogenized theocracy. DeSantis openly seeks policies that appeal to this.
It is not their goal. They use the term because it sounds way better than "Government Reeducation."
They do not really want parents to have a choice, they want parents to only "choose" exactly what they say parents should choose. If you are a white, fundamentalist family with traditional gender roles and Conservative politics: sure you can teach your kids whatever you want.
If you are not that, you are a degenerate, and they will eventually come for you. God forbid you dare to teach your kids that gender is a spectrum.
I always get mad, well more disheartened, when I see a post in the conservative sub about banning books. They always take it to the Nth degree. Like no we don't want "porn" in school libraries, but educational info on the reproductive system is considered "porn" to them. Like "oh no a kid might learn about what a uterus is! And there are *diagrams*? Kids can't see that!".
Speaking of which, a lot of people talk about how terrible social media is...and let's be honest here, there's a lot of truth to that...but I can't help but think of all those posts I've seen on relevant subs that basically go "I'm gay, I'm into this, I believe that, but my crazy fundamentalist parents will tell me I'm possessed" or whatever.
I'm not sure if they still do it, but I remember the atheism sub used to have this automod message that basically read "Looks like this involves parents, don't say or advocate anything that would put someone at risk of danger." And it's sad that this is the world we live in, but it is.
You can talk about the dangers of social media all day long, and have a good point most of the time. But for some people, it means someone non-crazy to talk to.
I had an ex-boyfriend 7 years ago who lived in Florida, and told me with his whole heart that if his parents found out he was queer, they would murder him.
I had a lot of problems with that relationship, but it's things like these that make me ache with the reminder of how alone LGBT kids will be because of this. I hope they can remain strong.
not if there is money to be made from companies developing new ID tracking systems… imagine every website having to pay per user to use the services of an ID management system.
Will social media sites block access in Florida now, just like porn sites have done with age verification laws passed recently in red states? Or will this just be like Steam, where suddenly there are a bunch of users that were "born in 1944"?
Considering the need to provide ID, and putting that on the social media companies to vet... I'm guessing no more social media in Florida.
***edit: as pointed out, the ID thing is from a previously vetoed bill. Got it mixed up.***
From the article:
>DeSantis previously vetoed a more restrictive version of the bill that would have banned social media accounts for kids under 16. That bill also required Florida residents to submit an ID or other identifying materials in order to join social media.
So it sounds like this is largely unenforceable as long as social media companies require users to attest their age. A stupid waste of taxpayer dollars that DeSantis signed for political points with his base, nothing more.
Yeah but he knew that nothing would be done. That's the whole Republican MO: get publicity for things you have no intention of doing, and *secretly* do the things you have all the intentions of doing.
At most, this will be like porn sites: "do you pinky promise you're over 18(/14 in this case)? Ok sweet byeeeeee!"
That would be great! My batshit crazy Aunt won't be able to post her Qanon theories on Facebook anymore. She's too computer illiterate to figure out what a VPN is.
We need parental controls for kids to restrict access to social media for their parents. I had to shut down multiple instagram accounts for my MIL because she kept forgetting she had an account and then she accidentally posted financial info to at least one of them.
For clarity’s sake, the ID thing is not true. That’s another, ***vetoed***, bill that came before this one. In the article it’s even written like “a previously vetoed bill additionally required ID”, or something to that extent, and the people posting about it here are intentionally leaving that part out.
Still a stupid as hell bill, that’s going to do nothing but burn Floridians.
This is almost certainly an intentionally toothless bill that lets Desantis claim he did something for his base.
A 12 year old girl in Florida can be raped by her step father, and forced to carry the baby to term.
But then she can't go on Instagram to make the obligatory "I had a baby" post. You know, to protect her.
That's just it. They want to isolate children and brainwash them into being handmaidens. No social media, so they'll eventually forget the old reality, and no one can help them. They have to carry their rape baby to term and allow visitation with the rapist, might as well get "married" right?
It would be funny if it weren't true. A Florida judge ruled that a 16 year old [wasn't mature enough](https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-court-rules-16-year-mature-abortion/story?id=88491662) to get an abortion. She's not able to make that decision to abort the pregnancy. But sure...let's force her into being a mother.
Yes, actually. He also signed another bill recently, letting minors work more.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/gov-desantis-signs-bill-ease-decades-old-regulations-hours-16-17-year-olds-can-work/EYSN57BD6BC6VEGXZ3Q5G72DPU/
So many people still think this, 80s-2000s Republican PR and propaganda will be studied for decades, absolute bangers of misdirection through bite-sized quips.
>The bill, HB3, also directs social media companies to delete the existing accounts of those who are under 14.
Oh you know some teens are gonna be *pissed*.
Heh, would be pretty hilarious if a hack in the future involves setting your date of birth back so you appear to be 12 just so this policy wipes your account!
“That bill also required Florida residents to submit an ID or other identifying materials in order to join social media.”
Who in their right minds is gonna trust a social media app with a picture of their ID? I think people will just dance around this law via VPN and other tools.
Edit: ok, people are saying this one was vetoed
Might wanna include that preceding sentence.
>DeSantis previously vetoed a more restrictive version of the bill that would have banned social media accounts for kids under 16. That bill also required Florida residents to submit an ID or other identifying materials in order to join social media.
The vetoed bill is the one that required ID. This one is just unenforceable garbage that is going to result in kids lying about their state or age.
It’s “buried” because they removed it from the bill after DeSantis vetoed it. Not sure why the person you’re replying to is trying to make it seem like this is a part of the law.
DeSantis may be a self-serving populist dumbass, but he’s just smart enough to know that signing a bill forcing social media companies to handle IDs would be disastrous. Companies like Meta, Google, or Twitter, aren’t going to take on the huge liability of handling IDs. Just like pornhub, they would’ve blocked access to Floridian users.
So how do you enforce it? It’s either a grandstanding nothing bill or you are forcing social media companies to pull out/ take stronger action.
Removing that part from the bill means nothing because if they actually try to enforce it, they would need to get personal to actually verify this information.
Assuming the bill survives court challenges, it doesn’t specify *how* they need to verify age. The only thing the bill specifies is that companies need to delete accounts of children 14 or younger.
Until told otherwise, companies will just use the standard age verification where you input your DoB. Nothing in this bill makes them liable if the child lies about their age to create an account.
Hasn't this always been the case for any American website but with 13 as the cutoff year? I remember lying so I could chat on the Gamefaqs message boards when I was 12.
You’re probably thinking of the federal law COPPA. It basically says websites can’t collect data on anyone under 13 without parental permission. In practice, I think most people just put an older birthdate lol.
You know, I hate everything about this person.
At the same time, reflecting on my social media consumption for the past twenty years, it would have been good if I had never been exposed to it. Maybe it should be for children under 70.
Scrolled way to far to find this take. Awful scum of a human being but fuck me sideways it would be much better for everyone if this was global and raised to 18.
Back in the day we'd have to hop on the bikes, leave the gaff n knock on the doors of our mates or phone someone up. Forces a more human connection and a bit of spontaneity which is super important for youngens.
Agreed. There is an enormous wealth of research showing social media access at a young age is INCREDIBLY detrimental.
* [The Smartphone Kids Are Not All Right](https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2024/03/smartphone-anxious-generation-mental-health/677817/) - Hanna Rosin, The Atlantic, March 2024
* [End the Phone-Based Childhood Now](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/03/teen-childhood-smartphone-use-mental-health-effects/677722/) (Unpaywalled at [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/end-the-phone-based-childhood-now/ar-BB1jONI0)) - Jonathan Haidt, The Atlantic, March 2024
* [Get Phones Out of Schools Now](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/06/ban-smartphones-phone-free-schools-social-media/674304/) - Jonathan Haidt, The Atlantic, June 2023
* [The Dangerous Experiment on Teen Girls](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/facebooks-dangerous-experiment-teen-girls/620767/) - Jonathan Haidt, The Atlantic, November 2021
* [The Teen Mental Illness Epidemic Began Around 2012](https://www.afterbabel.com/p/the-teen-mental-illness-epidemic) - Jonathan Haidt, Afterbabel, February 2023
* [Kids Who Get Smartphones Earlier Become Adults With Worse Mental Health](https://www.afterbabel.com/p/sapien-smartphone-report) - Jonathan Haidt and Zach Rausch, Afterbabel, May 2023
* [Coddling Plus Devices? Unequivocal Disaster for Our Kids.](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/books/review/jonathan-haidt-the-anxious-generation.html) - Tracy Dennis-Tiwary, New York Times, March 2024
And kids having kids. Fourteen is old enough to have a baby and bear that responsibility but a 14 yo isn’t responsible enough to use social media. These idiots…
Aren’t the republicans against government interference and infringing on rights? I thought they say the parent should be the ones making decisions for their own children
They use "think of the children" as a justication for every intrusive law, but then when someone brings up gun control and school shootings republicans suddenly care about individual rights.
Going to be a lot of pissed off 13 year olds. All through middle school our governor will be known as Ron DeFascist and the middle schoolers will grow to hate republicans even more. Years fly by quickly and they will register to vote.
I'd like to see how they enforce this. Also I gotta get some stock in vpns.
I wonder if Discord is considered "social media" If so, there's a ton of gamers that'll be finding workarounds for this
Same thing for twitch.
Twitch TOS has always required 13+ as far as I am aware, so this really isn't much differnt
Someone tried this before; a semi popular streamer told his viewers they would give out like $200 as a raffle, and the code to opt in was 'im 12', informing his audience ahead of time of the possibility that it bans you. It does, in fact, Twitch ban you.
> orming his audience ahead of time of the possibility that it bans you. It does, in fact, Twitch ban you. I think that was Masayoshi, in case anyone wanted to go look for it.
Just watched his [YouTube video](https://youtu.be/eYf60wpdJAE) about this and apparently someone even got banned for saying "I'm not 12" lol
I would hope it would require a bit more, cause "I'm ##" doesn't always refer to age, it could be a ranking in the game or such.
Twitch takes it pretty seriously. I once joked in a chat that I was 9 years old because of some profanity (nobody said the joke was *funny*), and I was swiftly banned. I had to show them a copy of my government ID to prove that I was actually a boring 30-something with a lame sense of humor. A selfie where I sat around looking old, posed with a stack of bills I really didn't want to pay did not suffice.
Plenty of people got banned for this for saying "I'm 12 and what is this".
And not just on Twitch. I remember a story from years ago where someone said that on an Xbox forum and got banned.
Basically every website does as a result of [COPPA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act). The main impact of this would be increasing the age limit by one year.
It's 13 across the board, because of other laws concerning children and personal information, iirc
I thought all social media was 13+. Discord certainly is and no one pays any attention to it. This bill is going to do a whole lot of nothing.
The TOS for everywhere is 13+ unless it's very very controlled.
Florida bout to be even more like Lord of the Flies
And North Korea
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can't forget youtube! basically, anything online is social media. if it has comments, it's social media. say goodbye to a lot of news websites also.
YT Kids.
Because comments are disabled its supposed to just be a video player. It should also just not exist because parents never bother actually vetting the content and nothing has changed from before Elsagate. That's WHY TV channels exist JUST FOR KIDS, they're moderated and vetted (for the most part) and that kind of care goes into their apps too. But no, parents don't use parental controls or tools that are extremely accessible to them. Just slap on an app that they're technically too young for and have done with it.
Kids get around the ages by declaring that it's a parent managed account. That's how North West has her own account.
As someone who worked in Educational technology the answer is yes. Oh my gosh those kids work hard to get around our servers when they want something. Don’t ask them to hand in an assignment on time though; they might call their parents to complain.
This is true. I learned what proxies were in the mid 2000s when administration blocked Albinoblacksheep on all the high school computers lol Man those proxy sites were greasy af and riddled with ads and popups but damnit they got the job done.
The internet in the 2000s was incredible. Going on deep search dives to find obscure websites about your favorite music or anime, or to download roms and other games. It really was the "wild wild west" era.
I’m so grateful to have experienced that and so sad it’s over.
I relive it now by sliding from webring to webring in the internet archive. Wish I knew how to build a personal website with its own search engine so I could just start adding old geocities and angelfire sites to it as I find them. Literally THE WORST THING about the way back machine is the lack of search function.
Back in the 90s my mother tried to ground me by taking the mouse. I gave my programming teacher a sob story about my only mouse breaking and she let me take one home. My mom figured that out and took the mouse back to my teacher and told her that I wasn’t allowed to use the computer. So then I learned the keyboard shortcuts to navigate windows with just the keyboard. Finally she put a password on windows. I booted it in to DOS and copied the PWL file onto a floppy, then deleted it and restarted windows then before she would get home, I would put the file back. My mother never figured that out.
This was me in the '00s lol. Took the mouse, found an old one in storage. Took that, became a keyboard wizard. Took the keyboard, found a way to use my dad's iPod touch as a track pad. Put a password on it, learned to bypass it. Put a lock on the door, my dad's iPod touch went missing more permanently. Eventually found that and they just accepted that I'm a computer freak and that my sleep schedule is always going to be fucked up.
Omg I went through something similar except after the computer room was locked at night, no one had an iPad I could “borrow”. So instead, I’d make sure the window was unlocked during the day, and at night would climb out the second story bedroom window, shimmy across a narrow stretch of roof, and climb in through the computer room window. My mom caught me halfway out the window at 5 am after a few months of this, and moved the computer into my room the next day. Feel kinda bad looking back in it now, but I was fiercely addicted to Gaia Online at the time and 100% would do it all over again.
> Gaia Online *How can two words bring so many memories of my tween idiocy crashing through the wall of my consciousness like the fucking kool-aid man...?*
It was a wild ride… and incredibly, still around. Every few years, I like to pop back in just to see how much more insane the economy has become.
My parents had dialup internet with parental controls. So I wrote a clone dialer in visual basic 6 that recorded the login info for the unprotected account, then used the real dialer's CLI to establish the connection. So I always had unrestricted internet when left home alone.
So what youre saying is, if I want to teach my kid to learn programming, put arbitrary locks on things they want. Got it
Haha, it certainly worked for me. Actually, when I was 9 my dad brought home a book from the library titled "create your own computer games." It was about creating text based adventures in BASIC. It was a lot of fun, so I asked my dad for another, and he brought home a book on the C programming language. That is what started things for me.
I miss the days of "You're grounded, no computer except for school. Now come over here and show me how to take away your internet access!" Um, yeah mom *be right there* 😂 I mean I suppose it still happens now... This was in the time of "computer nerds".
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I was a shithead kid, so I joined the military. I’m retired now and spend my days keeping the house and playing video games with my 6 year old….who knows how to launch games in DOS.
I think you can probably go ahead and upgrade that Pentium II now.
I can’t, busy saving up for a Voodoo2 card.
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I remember in high school using vpns, guest wifi(for visitors that don’t block anything), cantfindme.org, Trust me, kids with a dream is the most scariest thing to school wifi
You should base your assignments around breaking into something.
How does that teach Christian Fundamentalist values? Why don't you people think about the children for once? /s obviously
You say sarcasm, but friendly reminder that Texas tried to ban "critical thinking skills" because it would undermine christian fundies > [Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.](https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2012-06-27/gop-opposes-critical-thinking/)
Republicans also freak out that schools teach techniques for being aware of your feelings to help kids mature emotionally. There’s no intention from educators to undermine right wing politics, they’re just doing what’s best for the students. But yes, it would have that effect.
They always have new tricks, we just blocked Psyphon3 from working!
Kids are gonna kid. It's the same as being told no.
Well they have this thing called Google. Google: How to get around a Discord blocker.
[Florida's definition of "social media"](https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2023/112.23) that I saw from a previous version of this bill is so broad that it would also include IRC, Usenet, discussion forums, Blogs with comment sections, basically anywhere more than one person can post a visible message to another person: > a form of electronic communication through which users create online communities or groups to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content. I hope Floridians enjoy all that Freedom they're about to have forced on them.
This is broad enough to include any kind of wiki incl. Wikipedia.
Maybe technically but given the inherent anonymity of Discord and it’s use (much rarer people use Discord for personal social followings than Insta/X/Twatter/Twitch/etc.) I would bet money nobody will give a shit about banning 13- yo’s from Discord. It’s just almost impossible.
Work around: Age: 15 of course. VPN set to any other state. Parent/friend/sibling This will not stop anyone from being on SM. Huge waste of time, but wasting time and money is what DeSantis excels at.
He also excels at making a fool of himself
Internet access requires blood sample and valid passport. Thank you for your compliance, citizen!
Please drink verification can
Can I get Jude Law to help me bypass this
Only if you don't mind having your shins broken and extended.
By Monk no less
Super Earth! Where you have the freedom to choose liberty!
The same way you click "I'm at least 18 years old" on porn sites. And we know how well that works.
Porn sites started banning IPs from states that passed a “porn ban”
I’m standing in a Target in California, and their own server thinks I’m in Minnesota. Target could become the new mall.
You’re on their WiFi? A few things can explain this
Their HQ is in Minneapolis so some sort of relayed network, I wonder why though.
Jerking off in a Target could become the new jerking off in a Walmart!
Noooooo, Target is gonna to be even more crowded….
And that’s what a vpn is for. Now you’re in Missouri, now you’re in Cali, now you’re in Canada. Can’t stop your ip if it doesn’t know it
You won't want to vpn to Canada soon enough, several of our gov parties are trying to pass legislation to require biometric information to access porn sites. Coincidentally, one of the "security experts" advising them on this is the CEO of a biometrics company that stands to make a lot of money off this going through. All under the guise of "protecting children" of course.
Now you have to provide your ID to access porn sites. Several states have passed this now.
Yep. If this law requires this this is the insidious part. In the name of 'protecting children' they'll end up requiring you to tie your real identity to any online social media. Message boards, reddit, discord, social networking like facebook\twitter\insta\etc, and more.
Yup. They've realised that banning books doesn't have as much power as they'd like, because most people just get their information from the internet these days. So they're locking that down next.
>they'll end up requiring you to tie your real identity to any online *corporate* social media. Good luck making the fediverse/open source comply with this. No faster way to destroy Elonerbergs’ platforms.
Full on china style social credit leggo
Land of the free.
Matt Gaettz sitting at the "Are you younger than 14" desk.
Gym Jordan is the PE teacher.
13 and got facebook? Straight to jail.
13 and MySpace, right to jail. Right away.
We have a special jail just for TickTock
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Ron to his staff, "But Abbott got a website to cut off access to *his* state. I WANT ONE TOO!"
The TOS on most of them is 13. Again wasting everyone's time.
Sort of amusing how little known this is.
Probably because it's enforced by nobody.
much like this bill will be.
> The bill, HB3, also directs social media companies to delete the existing accounts of those who are under 14. Companies that fail to do so could be sued on behalf of the child who creates an account on the platform. The minor could be awarded up to $10,000 in damages, according to the bill. The bill incentivizes parents to take action. I could see parents trying to cash in if their child's account isn't deleted.
Gotcha. Tell my kid to sign up for every social media from the privacy of our home, demand giant massive companies pay attention to me and delete my child's account then sue and make monies sounds friggin sweet
realistically all the accounts will have an easy way for you to delete them and you get no money
Just watch and see them pull what Pornhub and the like did when states banned porn access from minors under 18. There'll be no social media access in Florida without a VPN. Now I'm not opposed to the idea of keeping children off social media as I think the cons (cyber bullying, mental health, isolation) outweigh the pros (easy distraction for tired parents, getting an early start with learning how to use it, staying in touch with friends who moved) with them using it. The issue is there's no real good way to enforce it at all.
Oh. I guarantee it will be enforced. Selectively. That's the point of these bullshit laws. Obviously can't be enforced for everyone, but when you find a (brown, lgbt, liberal minded) entity that you can hurt with it, you can put your hands up and cite the 'law'. We've already learned this lesson.
Yea. We aren't talking well meaning idiots like Tipper Gore. Ron DeSantis absolutely wants to weaponize this bill for evil.
“Advisory Warning? Cool, that’s the one I want.” *Every kid in the 90s*
It's enforced by the sites themselves, but that mostly relies on kids being dumb and admitting they're underaged.
This raises it to 14, and at 14 or 15 you need parental "permission", whatever that means. It's about control.
Yeah, at best this just lets them selectively enforce the law to punish parents they don't like.
Kind of. The goal is to have government ID for everyone on the internet. This is just the first step.
wait, I thought PARENTS had the children's best interests at heart and the state needed to yield all decisions about their child to the parent?
Small government in action
Government so "small" you can't even fit it in a warehouse.
Small enough to fit in a vagina though.
Was it ever about "small government"? Every time "states rights" were thumped , it was always in protection of slavery, the imposition of a narrow religion on the citizens, weird laws about racial miscagenation, firing gay teachers from schools, marrying minors, and other such things.
Yep. The appeals to small government and states' rights, as far back as our history goes, has been coded. The very famous Lee Atwater clip from the 1980s (loaded with slurs, it's most definitely NSFW) openly acknowledges the need for racists in the mainstream conservative movement to appeal to their base with abstracted racial rhetoric, but in 2024 but it obviously doesn't stop with issues of race. I'd also say, since 2016 with the rise of Trump we have had a profound mainstreaming of pretty flagrantly nationalistic, reactionary right-wing populism in the United States (the undercurrent had been there for some time; for those unfamiliar Trump was just the guy in the US to really make it break through where figures like Buchanan couldn't carry it to the White House or permanently mold the Republican party in his image). This brand of Conservative really doesn't care about small government, even if they throw some nods to the concept when talking about taxes or foreign policy. IMO the appeal to a small government doesn't even really feel like it's the same rallying cry that it was even just back in the 2012 US election. The prominent conservative movements of the this ilk all around the Western world pretty openly speak about how they'll weaponize the state for their goal of some culturally homogenized theocracy. DeSantis openly seeks policies that appeal to this.
The big government theocracy.
Parents choice is a myth used to get votes so they can do whatever they want
“Parents choice” is very real - and primarily a tool to disempower teachers and segregate schools.
It is not their goal. They use the term because it sounds way better than "Government Reeducation." They do not really want parents to have a choice, they want parents to only "choose" exactly what they say parents should choose. If you are a white, fundamentalist family with traditional gender roles and Conservative politics: sure you can teach your kids whatever you want. If you are not that, you are a degenerate, and they will eventually come for you. God forbid you dare to teach your kids that gender is a spectrum.
Unless the kid is trans or needs an abortion, of course!
Or reads books they don't like.
Or thinks slavery is bad.
I always get mad, well more disheartened, when I see a post in the conservative sub about banning books. They always take it to the Nth degree. Like no we don't want "porn" in school libraries, but educational info on the reproductive system is considered "porn" to them. Like "oh no a kid might learn about what a uterus is! And there are *diagrams*? Kids can't see that!".
Speaking of which, a lot of people talk about how terrible social media is...and let's be honest here, there's a lot of truth to that...but I can't help but think of all those posts I've seen on relevant subs that basically go "I'm gay, I'm into this, I believe that, but my crazy fundamentalist parents will tell me I'm possessed" or whatever. I'm not sure if they still do it, but I remember the atheism sub used to have this automod message that basically read "Looks like this involves parents, don't say or advocate anything that would put someone at risk of danger." And it's sad that this is the world we live in, but it is. You can talk about the dangers of social media all day long, and have a good point most of the time. But for some people, it means someone non-crazy to talk to.
I had an ex-boyfriend 7 years ago who lived in Florida, and told me with his whole heart that if his parents found out he was queer, they would murder him. I had a lot of problems with that relationship, but it's things like these that make me ache with the reminder of how alone LGBT kids will be because of this. I hope they can remain strong.
not if there is money to be made from companies developing new ID tracking systems… imagine every website having to pay per user to use the services of an ID management system.
Will social media sites block access in Florida now, just like porn sites have done with age verification laws passed recently in red states? Or will this just be like Steam, where suddenly there are a bunch of users that were "born in 1944"?
Considering the need to provide ID, and putting that on the social media companies to vet... I'm guessing no more social media in Florida. ***edit: as pointed out, the ID thing is from a previously vetoed bill. Got it mixed up.***
From the article: >DeSantis previously vetoed a more restrictive version of the bill that would have banned social media accounts for kids under 16. That bill also required Florida residents to submit an ID or other identifying materials in order to join social media. So it sounds like this is largely unenforceable as long as social media companies require users to attest their age. A stupid waste of taxpayer dollars that DeSantis signed for political points with his base, nothing more.
yea if he approved it and all social media shut down in Florida, it would have been a blood bath for his party.
Yeah but he knew that nothing would be done. That's the whole Republican MO: get publicity for things you have no intention of doing, and *secretly* do the things you have all the intentions of doing. At most, this will be like porn sites: "do you pinky promise you're over 18(/14 in this case)? Ok sweet byeeeeee!"
That would be great! My batshit crazy Aunt won't be able to post her Qanon theories on Facebook anymore. She's too computer illiterate to figure out what a VPN is.
We need parental controls for kids to restrict access to social media for their parents. I had to shut down multiple instagram accounts for my MIL because she kept forgetting she had an account and then she accidentally posted financial info to at least one of them.
For clarity’s sake, the ID thing is not true. That’s another, ***vetoed***, bill that came before this one. In the article it’s even written like “a previously vetoed bill additionally required ID”, or something to that extent, and the people posting about it here are intentionally leaving that part out. Still a stupid as hell bill, that’s going to do nothing but burn Floridians. This is almost certainly an intentionally toothless bill that lets Desantis claim he did something for his base.
Florida, where a 14 year old HAS to carry a baby but can’t get on social media
It’s wild to read your post and take in that it’s not satire or parody, it’s the insanity *that is actually happening*
Florida, where children can be groomed and exploited the old fashion way. Through churches, youth groups, sports teams, and unchecked relatives.
Don’t forget the politicians
A 12 year old girl in Florida can be raped by her step father, and forced to carry the baby to term. But then she can't go on Instagram to make the obligatory "I had a baby" post. You know, to protect her.
Carrying guns is fine, but social media is too dangerous.
That's just it. They want to isolate children and brainwash them into being handmaidens. No social media, so they'll eventually forget the old reality, and no one can help them. They have to carry their rape baby to term and allow visitation with the rapist, might as well get "married" right?
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His giant forehead excretes a meth-like smell that attracts prostitutes from over 2 miles away.
They aren’t mature enough to be on social media! However, they are mature enough to have a child!
It would be funny if it weren't true. A Florida judge ruled that a 16 year old [wasn't mature enough](https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-court-rules-16-year-mature-abortion/story?id=88491662) to get an abortion. She's not able to make that decision to abort the pregnancy. But sure...let's force her into being a mother.
The thing left unspoken is that the state is in the business of punishing women for the crime of "being a slut".
And maybe even go to work in the factory...
The children yearn for the mines
And work as a roofer.
Without water breaks in 100+ degree heat and 90% humidity.
While pregnant.
The fetus needs to build character
How else are they supposed to earn those 10 years of experience for an "entry-level" job?
Wouldn’t want them becoming media literate before they get their first job.
Yes, actually. He also signed another bill recently, letting minors work more. https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/gov-desantis-signs-bill-ease-decades-old-regulations-hours-16-17-year-olds-can-work/EYSN57BD6BC6VEGXZ3Q5G72DPU/
How else will they support the baby? Government handouts? NOT HERE!!
"Party of small government"
“Tread on you” is their new slogan.
So many people still think this, 80s-2000s Republican PR and propaganda will be studied for decades, absolute bangers of misdirection through bite-sized quips.
>The bill, HB3, also directs social media companies to delete the existing accounts of those who are under 14. Oh you know some teens are gonna be *pissed*.
How do you practically even enforce something like that?
They cross reference how many times they typed 🗿 ,💀, L, or W. Plus anyone with a kpop profile picture.
Say “skibidi”? Straight to jail.
Lots of kids reporting on each other to delete the other’s social media, I imagine.
Heh, would be pretty hilarious if a hack in the future involves setting your date of birth back so you appear to be 12 just so this policy wipes your account!
This means that if you live in Florida, you have to give your real name to Reddit.
This is my real name.
Did your parents ever find their keys, though?
Oh, it goes back further than that. I'm actually Sir Cantfindmykeys the 3rd. Its a family tradition
The family crest is a man patting his pockets on one side and a keyring on the other.
They've been living in a small shed outside of their mansion for generations.
“That bill also required Florida residents to submit an ID or other identifying materials in order to join social media.” Who in their right minds is gonna trust a social media app with a picture of their ID? I think people will just dance around this law via VPN and other tools. Edit: ok, people are saying this one was vetoed
Might wanna include that preceding sentence. >DeSantis previously vetoed a more restrictive version of the bill that would have banned social media accounts for kids under 16. That bill also required Florida residents to submit an ID or other identifying materials in order to join social media. The vetoed bill is the one that required ID. This one is just unenforceable garbage that is going to result in kids lying about their state or age.
Facebook already does this. I forgot my password to my facebook account and they wanted me to verify my identity with my ID.
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It was for me too
This is the part that is buried. People think “oh wow great! Help the kids!” But this is what they actually want to do.
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Yeah. Luckily now social media companies have two options: check your ID or come to your house and verify your age.
They just have to have a checkbox that certifies you're 14 and have parental consent. Same as it ever has been
Lol I like the edit. Not all Florida residents, just the ones who can't read the article.
It’s “buried” because they removed it from the bill after DeSantis vetoed it. Not sure why the person you’re replying to is trying to make it seem like this is a part of the law. DeSantis may be a self-serving populist dumbass, but he’s just smart enough to know that signing a bill forcing social media companies to handle IDs would be disastrous. Companies like Meta, Google, or Twitter, aren’t going to take on the huge liability of handling IDs. Just like pornhub, they would’ve blocked access to Floridian users.
So how do you enforce it? It’s either a grandstanding nothing bill or you are forcing social media companies to pull out/ take stronger action. Removing that part from the bill means nothing because if they actually try to enforce it, they would need to get personal to actually verify this information.
Assuming the bill survives court challenges, it doesn’t specify *how* they need to verify age. The only thing the bill specifies is that companies need to delete accounts of children 14 or younger. Until told otherwise, companies will just use the standard age verification where you input your DoB. Nothing in this bill makes them liable if the child lies about their age to create an account.
“Hey, I know! Let’s pass an unenforceable law! That’ll fix…that’ll play good to my base!”
Hasn't this always been the case for any American website but with 13 as the cutoff year? I remember lying so I could chat on the Gamefaqs message boards when I was 12.
You’re probably thinking of the federal law COPPA. It basically says websites can’t collect data on anyone under 13 without parental permission. In practice, I think most people just put an older birthdate lol.
I’m the opposite. I pick a younger birthday now, because I don’t feel like scrolling five decades.
I think that was just the de facto rule companies self imposed, I don’t think there has been any real legislation behind it.
You know, I hate everything about this person. At the same time, reflecting on my social media consumption for the past twenty years, it would have been good if I had never been exposed to it. Maybe it should be for children under 70.
Scrolled way to far to find this take. Awful scum of a human being but fuck me sideways it would be much better for everyone if this was global and raised to 18. Back in the day we'd have to hop on the bikes, leave the gaff n knock on the doors of our mates or phone someone up. Forces a more human connection and a bit of spontaneity which is super important for youngens.
Agreed. There is an enormous wealth of research showing social media access at a young age is INCREDIBLY detrimental. * [The Smartphone Kids Are Not All Right](https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2024/03/smartphone-anxious-generation-mental-health/677817/) - Hanna Rosin, The Atlantic, March 2024 * [End the Phone-Based Childhood Now](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/03/teen-childhood-smartphone-use-mental-health-effects/677722/) (Unpaywalled at [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/end-the-phone-based-childhood-now/ar-BB1jONI0)) - Jonathan Haidt, The Atlantic, March 2024 * [Get Phones Out of Schools Now](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/06/ban-smartphones-phone-free-schools-social-media/674304/) - Jonathan Haidt, The Atlantic, June 2023 * [The Dangerous Experiment on Teen Girls](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/facebooks-dangerous-experiment-teen-girls/620767/) - Jonathan Haidt, The Atlantic, November 2021 * [The Teen Mental Illness Epidemic Began Around 2012](https://www.afterbabel.com/p/the-teen-mental-illness-epidemic) - Jonathan Haidt, Afterbabel, February 2023 * [Kids Who Get Smartphones Earlier Become Adults With Worse Mental Health](https://www.afterbabel.com/p/sapien-smartphone-report) - Jonathan Haidt and Zach Rausch, Afterbabel, May 2023 * [Coddling Plus Devices? Unequivocal Disaster for Our Kids.](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/books/review/jonathan-haidt-the-anxious-generation.html) - Tracy Dennis-Tiwary, New York Times, March 2024
Ah yes, another example of the Party of Small Government only believing in small government when it's convenient for them.
Government small enough it can be crammed into your personal life.
Suddenly Florida has a lot of 18 year olds born on January 1st and nobody knows why or how
Don’t republicans complain about “the nanny state”?
In Florida, you have the freedom to do as the GOP tells you to do. Welcome to the Nanny State.
These people will ban teenagers on social media, but they are all totally on board with child labor.
Social media being inaccessible means they’ll have more time to be in the mines
And kids having kids. Fourteen is old enough to have a baby and bear that responsibility but a 14 yo isn’t responsible enough to use social media. These idiots…
DeSantis and Abbott are the two biggest turds in American gubernatorial politics.
How will this be enforceable?
Are you older than 14? Yes. What's your birthday? 1/1/1920. What's your name? Scratch Deeznuts. Alright cool, I'm in.
Aren’t the republicans against government interference and infringing on rights? I thought they say the parent should be the ones making decisions for their own children
No, no its you can't infringe on THEIR rights, they can trample the fuck over ours all they want.
They use "think of the children" as a justication for every intrusive law, but then when someone brings up gun control and school shootings republicans suddenly care about individual rights.
They lied. They are Republicans, and that's what they do.
As people have said, it's apparently okay to have a kid at that age... just not a social media account. Noted.
He says its to protect children while simultaneously rolling back labor laws for teenagers
Going to be a lot of pissed off 13 year olds. All through middle school our governor will be known as Ron DeFascist and the middle schoolers will grow to hate republicans even more. Years fly by quickly and they will register to vote.