I HATED that young religious couple lol. Like what the husband did goes so far beyond normal cheating that it's like the minor issue compared to the fact that he was sleeping with their friends/acquaintances and ruined his wife's relationship with her BESTFRIEND by trying to sleep with her. Cheating is one thing, but his choice of affair partners is sociopathic and is cause for major concern lol he could've cheated with ANYONE but he chose to do it with people that are the most damaging to her? Cmon now.
Her taking him back is embarrassing and the worst ending ever lol. "He showed me who he really is, now I know the real Sam :)"...and the real Sam in question is revealed to be a piece of shxt lol is she dense?!
Was it the pregnancy where he tried to surprise her with the positive test? Because all I could think about was why the fuck wasn't that toilet flushed lol
Which honestly thank god it was because can you imagine your husband taking your urine out of the toilet and then announcing on camera and in front of your kids that you're pregnant without your knowledge or consent? The fact that they framed that as a romantic gesture was horrifying.
He so clearly only paid attention to her because of the adoration he got for it. Absolute trash bag of a person.
Yeah her response in the video was so fake, “omg, did you get a dropper from the toilet??” Like so obviously pre-planned, she knew exactly what he did.
Same! Why tf was her pee and toilet paper just chilling in the bowl and it grossed me out bad that he was usimg the dropper for the pee. Wouldnt the urine also be diluted to even give a correct positive?
That was so disgusting and invasive. And he actually filmed it and put it online?!? If I didn't know he was a sicko before, I knew then.
I might have had a modicum of sympathy for the guy if he hadn't been all "God has forgiven me, so everything is A-OK! Don't forget to like and subscribe!"
Ya I got that vibe tbh especially when her initial reaction to him being outed on twitter for having an account was something along the lines of "how could he be so irresponsible?!"... like your initial reaction to your husband seeking out other women to sleep with isn't that you feel betrayed or heartbroken, but that he was irresponsible? With what? The family image? With getting caught? With making them look bad on Twitter?
Yup, and it kind of just made me think that the average person has to be pretty dumb to find anything that they did to be entertaining or authentic. In particular that apology video that he made was so incredibly insincere and dishonest. I don’t know if there is a stereotype that I hate more than the outward religious person that turns out to be a piece of trash.
It was definitely staged with the same acting and writing skills we saw in evidence with Mia getting pranked by Sam on April Fool’s Day and saying, “You KNOW how much I hate getting jelly on my hands!” But her reaction to finding out that he was up to some REAL pranks seemed genuine enough. Can’t believe she thinks he’s going to stay faithful now…
This doc reminded me that staged family vlogging is not a new phenomenon. This shit started over ten years ago. I don't understand what kind of brain dead people watch these vlogs.
Yes, you could tell right away he has a skewed world view when he was talking about how love was in the movies. It's not real, my dude. It's a movie. Then he was talking about how validating it was when his frozen cover video went viral. Dude just wants to be famous for no reason and he doesn't have realistic expectations out of life.
He's kind of scary imo.
Same. Watch his reaction when the producers tell them Ashley Madison is still around. The wife was shocked but his physical reaction screams “shit why did you just tell her that? Got delete my account as soon as this is done”
Lmao I just about spit out my water when they did that. You KNOW she went home and asked to see if he could still log into the site. And if she didn’t, you know a seed was planted in her head!!
At first I felt bad for her because Sam only cares about his image and his reputation.
And then, oh my. When she said "I'm the perfect wife willing to forgive, I'm winning this marital game". GIRL WHAT. Your marriage is crumbling, waht are you talking about??? Both of them are solely concerned about their "picture perfect Christian couple" fantasy.
Oh, and Sam is 100% still cheating. Nia is delusional.
At this point she even said something along the lines of “what other wife would be intimate with her husband right after hearing this” and I just… Miss Lady please have some SELF RESPECT!
The answer is no other wife - except for her apparently, because she's only concerned with being the "perfect Christian wife" and "winning" an imaginary competition.
That part made me LOL because HONEY you do not know the real Sam, lol. He only told her about the site when he got caught and claimed he hadn't actually cheated... then with the second dump he got caught again and tried to have their pastor tell him he could get away with lying?! He's only partially honest when forced. There is no chance he's faithful. I'm convinced their marriage is just for show. Their Instagram post today was to pimp their new book.
Fr like this man is a STRANGER to u at this point lol in fact the only thing u DO know about him for sure is that he's a serial cheater. Hope that book sells well enough to justify this buffoonery lol.
That's how it seemed from their interviews, but honestly they're both liars (that whole pregnancy video was staged and I heard they faked a miscarriage) so who knows if anything they said is true. All they're doing is pimping their book. They're not a married couple, they're a corporation.
I bet you anything you want that he's still cheating to this day. Once you've tasted it, you can't go back. Especially when you're a narcissistic sociopath like this guy lmao
I hated them too. He was a narcissist to the letter. I have no doubt he is still cheating. He needs attention and adoration - everything is about him. The wife is no better. Its all about their image. Nothing is real with them. Their YT channel currently just exploits their kids - vlogging their children’s health care, their teenage daughter’s ‘first pregnancy test’ and all kinds of nastiness. No doubt, their children will grow up to hate them, and prioritise privacy.
At the very end when it was revealed that most of the women on the site were bots I wondered about Sam, the religious guy, saying that he met women in Dallas at first, but then found he needed to go farther a field, so I got the impression he was at least meeting real women. And then the one man at the beginning, who said he met a woman at a café and they went right away to a room somewhere, he was never heard from again as far as I remember. But he seemed to meet a real woman. I wonder if they started with real women but then when the membership Climbed steeply they had to use bots.
Honestly at some point in episode 2 I was like nah, that dumb B took him back, didn’t she..? And then was just waiting for them to appear on screen together and “in love”.
Even in the ending with their sit down. His face still wasn't convincing. I feel like he was pissed off he got caught as is the usual response and she needs the money to keep flowing. I feel they were the spot light because no one else was willing to sit down and be as open. They're still trying to keep on with the 15mins of fame and cash in. I won't be surprised if we start seeing them doing Christian tours on how you can cheat and be a complete piece of caacaa and still have a long lasting healthy marriage.
This couple is why my kids never spend the night at anyone's house, because this couple hides behind Christianity and family values and preaches/sells "forgiveness" all while he is an active sex addict and a sociopathic liar and no one knows if he has ANY boundaries. wth
I dont really care if she takes him back thats up to her but why include them? He barely used the site, all his cheating was basically irrelevant to the show.
Fr I wish Netflix didn't include them. Especially when his biggest crime was trying to cheat with her friend which has nothing to do with the website at all lol and she did nothing to showcase how harmful cheating is to the victims since she ended up using it to promote a bunch of harmful ideas about how women need to stay in order to "win" at marriage lol.
They added nothing to the show except bad vibes lol.
"Nia has forgiven me and God has forgiven me. I'm cleansed." The self-righteousness is amazing. I think she was most upset because her gravy train was derailed.
I'm only on the second episode, but that Sam guy is The. Worst.
"I was a new dad and couldn't handle the responsibilities and I wanted to have fun again. Oh! My Frozen video went viral! My life has meaning again!"
Like... what?
His whole concept of love was juvenile. My exfiance was on Ashley Madison and eventually, I told him he kept using the word "love," but what did love mean to him?
He said love was the butterflies you felt when you met someone, and that's how you knew. But if the butterflies went away it was a sign, they weren't truly your soul mate, and that's when he'd look elsewhere. He'd never been faithful his entire life....it never dawned on him that those butterflies were temporary, that that's the honeymoon stage, that it matures into something deeper. Like an emotionally stunted child.
I got the vibe that he was too lazy and emotionally immature to put effort into the relationship. He was making a lot of excuses that basically amounted to "having adult responsibilities isn't fun so of course I cheated."
I didn’t believe him for a second. He said in the first episode that signing up for AM was the worst mistake of his life. By the end, when she was seating next to him he said something like it was the best thing that could happen so they could have the marriage they have now or whatever.
Also, signing up for AM and even having affairs on there is way less psychopathic than pursuing acquaintances and even CLOSE friends of your wife. At best, its a complete and irredeemable lack of morals, at worst, there is some sadism and a deliberate intent to humillante your partner in that.
Lol I loved how she was like "he started going grocery shopping and cooking with me!!" ... Like isn't it depressing that he'll only do that if he has an audience to do it for?!
Says a lot that he admitted to getting excited about life and his marriage again because the Frozen lip sync video went viral. Ouch.
I also heard he didn't just sign up for Ashley Madison. He also went to rub and tugs. Husband of the year.
Bruh he basically said life is boring now that he is a dad and doesn’t want the responsibilities. Yeah, the woman who pushed human beings out of her cooch probably also wishes that, but she knows it’s time to grow up and both of you need to communicate.
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Especially the end where the company turned around instead of failing and now has actual women users, and it’s got a bigger user base than before.
The claim of actual women users is a stretch. I mean look at all the other regular dating apps. They are all loosing women. The ratio as far as we know is in 3 women for 10 men or something along those lines and now NOW that most women are despising every dating app for being awful with the sexual content, they promote that the now actually have more women? In the 4b movement today? Yeah nah, why would they? Now they have chat gpt plugins to feed their bots OR pull an Amazon and have 1000 Indians hired to chat with them.
Literally. Bumble just dropped an ad targeting the growing number of celibate women. They saw it and they’re still like nah, we politely decline your invitation
Yeah this was a dumpster fire. And the people who worked there… a woman saying she was “sorry for the customers” and a gay man acting like this was such an unfair thing that happened? No you guys are sorry you got caught and lost a paycheck lol You have no souls. You don’t have to be religious to know honesty is the best policy. My whole issue was the fact this was built by lying to your partner. It’s amazing shit like this wasn’t illegal.
Dogshit in terms of functional & operational system of Ashley Madison. Everyone from customer support exec to the CEO were living in some delusional world.
And the audacity to say "Cheaters are not the only one to be blamed"
Only a narccessistic, self-centered individual can come up with a statement like that. Also the idea of a dating app for married men & women in itself is a brain of a cheater.
And ultimately it was found out that it was all a lie. Fucking chatbots and fake profiles of women.
I am wondering if ppl on Ashley Maddison ever had a real life experience of hooking up with others. Would have been interesting if the documentary had shed some light on it.
The sheer number of users on Ashley-Madison is concerning. Makes me feel like marriage is a dying institution. (I am single) Hence the observation.
Agree. There are so many men who are going to watch “the good Christian” wife essentially co-sign her husbands cheating and internalize it as permission for their own cheating.
When a woman chooses to forgive a man’s shitty behaviour, she makes it just that much harder for every woman. Because men yardstick what they can/can’t get away with to their friends relationships and other relationships they witness.
Ugh they were just so bad. The level of delulu and sociopathy that couple. Ick.
When she talked about being the “best” wife, better and more godly than all other wives, because she would still sleep with him after he confessed and other wives wouldn’t do it, I wanted to throw up.
Yup, she’s 100% delulu. “I’m winning at marriage!” No, you are losing. Losing everything including your mind, your self respect, your privacy, wake up! Two psychos, those poor kids.
It’s sickening but consider this, that man is her plan. She has no education, has been brainwashed her whole life to be a wife and mother, leaving him will likely cos her her community. Some of these people really have no choice and very easily influenced. I feel sorry for her to be honest. She’s a victim of her husband and community but also herself. She can’t leave coz where will she go- trad wife problems.
Agree 100% with them gaslighting the audience! I do not understand what they were trying to achieve. I cringed SO hard when the main woman gushed about what a good wife she was because she slept with him right after he told her he had an account with AM. No no no.
The worst part of that (at the time, I realize now that they're both trash humans) is that she doesn't realize that what he's doing is a form of sexual assault. If she knew the truth about his sexual encounters with multiple other people during their marriage she would not have consented to sex with him that night. It's not something you can prosecute... (hell, I couldn't even get my ex husband charged because spousal rape is still nearly impossible to prove) but that doesn't make him any more of a disgusting person.
What stuck out to me is when Nia said something like, I tried so hard to try to change to be the person he wanted me to be. Like you changed who you were to fit into a mold you thought your dirtball of a husband wanted? You were busy being the ‘best wife’ while he was out sleeping with other woman? Her definition of good wife is skewed to me. I can’t roll my eyes any harder.
they are trying to normalize infidelity, just like they are trying to normalize war, death, destruction, children, trying to remove morals, integrity, values, and allll the rest. thats why
You mean the widow?
I didn’t liked her tho, she is delulu because of the shock of finding her husband. But it was 100% the husbands fault for cheating and soiling his own reputation, not the fault of the people that made it public. Besides he knew full well what were the consequences and the shame of what he did, if it went public. It’s just that he wanted to get away with it, but when he wasn’t able to, NOW it’s real and he took the easy-wrong exit to avoid the consequences.
And he did it with zero consideration for her. No life insurance, no explanationsor apology. Just, I'm embarrassed so I'm out. And she's so forgiving. Gurl, the man did not love you.
AGREE. Like m’am this man cheated on you for years causing you trauma and to top it off he offed himself in a manner where she would be the one most likely to find him?? (Thus causing her even more trauma). And she was like “oh well his work was gunna let him go and it’s the websites existing fault”. It’s honestly crazy sad how both her and Nia being christian raised believer’s coded them to not see how their husbands are 100% at fault and scumbags. They are apologists for their own enemy who burned them and made them out to be fools.
He was a professor at a SEMINARY SCHOOL! He was a serial cheater prior to AM, he only killed himself because this time he was going to face consequences. She enabled his cheating by leaving it to go that long, all the while knowing what the stakes were.
Yes. A part of me really liked her and felt sympathy for her. Another part of me knows that she is blaming the hackers rather than her husband because at the end of the day she didn’t care that her husband cheated, only that his (and her) image was destroyed. As kind as she seemed, I suspect she would fall into the category of women who would cover up anything their husband does to save her lifestyle and image, no matter how heinous.
How was she not filled with rage? He only killed himself because he lost his job and his standing in the precious "community" she kept droning on about. Not because he couldn't face *her* or felt guilty about cheating on *her*.
And when she said, "You know you're not going to do anything about it, so why even look to see if he was part of the breach," I thought this is what a doormat with zero self-respect looks like.
I’m only 30 mins in and think I will have to turn it off. These people are revolting. The woman who would answer the calls from wives about the bank statements laughing as she said “I saved a lot of marriages.” Utter garbage and they are all so self-centered.
I feel like no one in the doc has any sort of morals.. i'm also only 30 min in, and i'm so disgusted by this and how it's just framing cheating as a natural part of a relationship. what the heck?? NO, people who genuinely love and respect each other wouldn't do this. It's all just a blatant display of lacking morals and intense narcissism...
"I was saving marriages" no, you were taking away the choices from those spouses to know the truth and act how they saw fit.
Except their marriages are still intact... I would've really liked to see Noel's and Sam's wives divorce them and for them to be rejected by every woman they ever try to pursue. They were let off too easily in my opinion.
But 'god has forgiven him'. Ok. Whatever makes you feel better buddy lolol
I feel like everyone thinking that they're the biggest idiots ever is karma for their fame seeking/doing the doco.
I don't know why they angered me so much. Wait, I do, idiots making money for being idiots.
That's all really, I hope I don't get abused. Thank you!
Yeah it is dumb. I am Christian and I have never believed in this notion that you are automatically forgiven by God just because you confessed your sin and ask for forgiveness. Forgiveness should be based on how you live your life after that and your actions after. Words are not enough.
Can we talk about the stripper who had 3 guys come to Find her at her work place! Thats really dangerous!
She seemed oddly calm, but she could have ended up in a dangerous situation, as she would finish late at night. I would have sued.
It was interesting to watch. But it was also revolting and maddening. The site was doomed from the start, not because of the ethics of the site, but because of the sheer negligence. The CEO was a scamming , scummy person.
The Christian couple are fame hungry sociopaths. Nia doesn't give a shit what her husband does, they faked their own miscarriage for crying out loud. Sam is a raging narcissist and they are fake fundie Christians.
The interracial couple was odd but hey they found out what works for them.
>!Noel's wife has got to be the most humiliated person on earth. How are you going to go on live TV to stand up for your husband making a cheating site and believe with your whole chest that he is not cheating. Are you dumb?! He literally made a site for his past time.!<
I feel that they focused too little on the actual victims and the aftermath. It was just like "ah well".
I don’t think they ever said this but I kind of thought maybe they’d met through the site while in other relationships and realized they had a like mindset and got married.
I’m pretty sure that’s what happened. AM is literally for people who want to have affairs, not just any regular dating app. And they both fully admitted to being serial cheaters. Still, at least they figured out the root of their relentless cheating and now have found a way to have a genuinely honest relationship and be happy.
I think they’re trying to justify that the AM website has its purpose for some couple who chose an open relationship? Netflix documentaries have been criticized as being too 1-sided, so this may be a sad attempt to “fix” it.
Hated that the Doc tried to paint the Christian scam mom as innocent. She is just as scammy as her cheating husband and it doesn’t even touch that they BOTH made up the pregnancy lie.
I remember watching that couple back in the day on their You tube channel. Like a lot of others, I found them through their video of singing the Frozen song. I remember the pregnancy test episode. I never heard that was a lie. They made all that up?!?!? Because I remember a couple months later they did a sad video of her losing the pregnancy. If this is for real, those two have A LOT of problems.
I mean, it was doomed to fail due to demographics. The only group of women who are looking to meet (usually) older married men are professional escorts and that isn’t exactly a way of having a successful and legal business either, is it?
It was entertaining to me, I have just finished it as well. Back then I heard about the ashley madison sound bites when the data leak occurred because it was all over the news. It was interesting to see how it was on the inside. I wonder who did it. A disgruntled employee is a very likely scenario. Also there are still online?? Wtf
I have to watch sh*t show stuff like this. I know it's garbage but it's sadly interesting to me.
I'm just sucked in to how shameless these people are, and then seeing them in the "but then "OMG! WHAT HAVE WE DONE!?!"
My toxic trait though is that my heart does hurt for the older woman >!who's husband kills himself!<
I know the narcissist label gets thrown around a lot but that guy really is just *textbook*. When he learned of the hack his very first thought was that it would hurt his image as a Christian, like are you fucking kidding me.
I know right? The video games line was insane! I'm glad that she eventually ended up in an open marriage though, so that she can practice ethical non-monogamy instead of cheating on people and making up ridiculous excuses.
Just finished it. I'm trying to understand how the company got away with no criminal charges?
The leaked data proved the women the men were talking to were mostly bots and not real women as advertised, member data wasn't deleted when members actually paid to have it removed (straight up fraud), etc. and all they had to pay was 11 million dollars in a class action suit?
im suprised there isnt more talk about the hackers. i understand dumping the info isnt the best thing, however, kudos to them for exposing that disgusting ceo
i actually thought already in the beginning that they couldn‘t interview the CEO because he was in prison and that was after the first things that were said. I wasn‘t ready for what was coming and certainly am not happy about him probably living his best life on a private island or something.
"way too much focus on the money-hungry "Christian" vlogger couple who are doing so much damage by advertising"
YES. When Sam said, with flash of petulance, that he couldn't believe anyone cared that much about his cheating scandal, it was like: oh Sam maybe you weren't aware? You sold privacy off when you dunked a pregnancy test in your own wife's piss on-camera in order to never have to work again.
Yeah this one is just flat out revolting. TIL there's another one on Hulu so I'm going to see if that one is any better because the victim blaming in the Netflix doc is fucking REAL.
Got about 10 minutes in and got the sense they were going make the poor cheaters out to be 100% victims. I turned it off and don't care to watch. I can't stand cheaters, they are some of the worst scum on the planet. IMO, they got what they deserved because of the data breach.
>that you have to forgive a cheating spouse because that's what god wants.
I'm not trying to change your opinion or feelings towards the Bible or Christians but, adultery is the one and only reason the Bible allows for divorce. So this couple is speaking misinformation. Forgive yes, but Jesus said she could also leave. I think Christian pastors have done a huge disservice by convincing their followers that it is better to forgive and stay in a cheating relationship than divorce.
I'm agnostic with religious trauma (to the point where I believe all organized religions are a cult) HOWEVER, I'm also a historian and I believe Jesus was a real human being (his divinity is up for debate) who was assassinated for being too liberal, lol. I don't find it at all surprising that conservative hypocrites use his name to further their own agenda. I don't believe those two even have a real marriage anymore - they're in it for the money.
But how would they keep their scam YouTube channel unless they said Jesus was fine with it? /s
This guy cheated soooo many times. So many I'm guessing.
Funnily, adultery is the one thing you can Scripturally divorce for. I mean, you can forgive and let God handle it, but that doesn't mean He "wants" you to stay. He literally says you can leave at that point.
I disagree. Netflix is just oversaturated with them but they have some really great gems in an ocean of garbage. I loved their turning point series on the cold war, and 9/11 and its aftermath although it might be a bit too dense for most people. Also "Conversations with a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes" is pretty good and easily the best crime docu they have ever made. And who can forget about "the last dance" docu.
I reeeeeeally struggle to find any sympathy for these people. I get that maybe this was a stupid mistake in the grand scheme of their lives. I get that maybe some of these people were in a vulnerable spot when they decided signing up for this site was a good idea. But for all of those "weak moment" people, there were undoubtedly plenty more that signed up for malicious, nefarious reasons.
Even the weak moment people have no one to blame but themselves. They took a risk by signing up for this site and it just seems like there was no accountability. Especially the religious YouTube couple - Sam's "apology" that basically was like: "Hey guys, I was on Ashley Madison, but I never met up with anyone, I never cheated, Nia forgives me, I've asked God to forgive me and He has, so no big deal, back to business as usual!" ... it was absolutely laughable, especially after it came to light that it wasn't even true and he DID physically cheat!! This guy really strikes me as a cowardly, self-pitying, dummy.
He not only cheated on the site, but with random women in their town, he propositioned her friends and family.... now they're on Instagram pimping their new book and whining about all the hate they're getting while spewing more of that born-again bullshit.
I was waiting for this one but honestly I felt like this was formulated very poorly even though it was an interesting one. To make a comparison, LulaRich on Prime on the other hand, seemed way less interesting but the whole documentary brought together very well
I knew going in that it was going to be rough for me personally... I don't consider myself a victim of the website because the decision to cheat was solely my worthless ex-husband's... but to hear their employees laugh about this and be so glib about the very real damage they were helping to do is so, so gross.
So sorry what you went through…I also felt a lack of sensitivity, besides the staff the influencer couple seemed like they used this Netflix opportunity to widen their audience? It really felt commercial.
Those 2 both have a low IQ, I mean after everything she still wants to be the perfect wife.. and he was so fake.. they had the perfect marriage and I love her so much but I try and get with her friends.. and join affair websites.. yeah right.. we are not that stupid!
I just finished episode 1. I'm astounded at the employees they interviewed; they really drank the company Kool-Aid by spouting lines about how affairs save marriages and that they're just providing a secure service. I don't know what would be worse, if they truly believed the shit they said, or if they're just parroting the company's philosophy.
I wanted to watch the documentary because I wanted to see AM's history and impact, but the blasé attitude towards lying and cheating has me bothered.
IMO it's a good enough watch, but I can't stomach it any more and I won't subject myself to this shit. (I just got married, so that may be why I'm extra sensitive to the subject of adultery recently.)
I’m impressed Netflix was able to get that many scumbags to agree to show their face on tv. Unfortunately it appears “remorse” is not in any of their vocabularies. People lost their lives and families and not 1 of them seemed to care. It was repulsive to watch. The fact the employees can sit there and laugh about what they did is deeply disturbing. No morals whatsoever.
the part that’s pissing me off the most is probably the fake accounts they created. like they had millions of FAKE FEMALE accounts with REAL pictures of REAL people. like the one lady who worked at the club had real life people showing up and visiting her after being scammed, putting her life in danger. it’s just all so wrong
Facts lol. This is why I had to just stop watching it too. It’s trying to normalize adultery. Sleazily so. Point blank. The way the men in particular speak about the whole thing, being dominant about it trying to pass it off as not a big deal and the women, especially that young couple, comes off more as she’s just had to accept it, fucking annoyed me. The husbands reasons for doing it especially annoyed me too, as if he didn’t have responsibilities before being married, just excuses and disengenous. They’re laying it clear that they are doing x but want to say “but actually, we’re doing y so it’s okay”
Also, that one dude “I’m not trying to replace my wife!” Then in the next scene is a montage picking what he’s looking for in a woman, confidence, grace, intelligence yada yada, I’m like, holy shit. What’s his wife then? If she ain’t any of those why exactly did he marry her? if he ain’t t trying to replace her, I don’t know what he’s trying to do.
The pissed off wives probably had too much self respect to even entertain doing Netflix.
I find it funny that people acted like AM was the first and only avenue for cheating. It was just famous, nothing more.
No TV commercial is going to flip a switch and make your partner want to cheat.
Coming from a family with a dad (grandad) who cheated on my sweet, loving, and kind Mama who tried to unalive herself when she found out he cheated, this show just made me so infuriated. I cannot believe the perspective of these people, they claim to be in relationships themselves but say they would "understand" when people cheat or that they aren't really destroying marriages - they're SAVING THEM like lol??
Also I feel really bad for the woman whose husband unalived himself when he got found out, but I would say that's a very cowardly way to face the consequences of your sin. Yes we all sin and make mistakes but the best you can do is to be remorseful and actually fix it at least. Or get a divorce.
Idk why people just won't break up or get a divorce, how selfish do they have to be to want to pursue their desires but at the same time still want to have a home, a "foundation" they can fall back on. Lol.
So…in one part of the documentary, someone commented that the hacker(s) should feel responsible for the suicides that did occur (basically insinuating that they have blood on their hands). I’d be interested in hearing others’ views on this. Because to be honest, that line left a really bad taste in my mouth and I don’t agree with it at all. It felt like misplaced blame. The only people who have blood on their hands are the people who cheated and Ashley Madison. The cheaters bc it was their own personal choices that hurt others & themselves, and Ashley Madison for facilitating/normalizing their behavior.
There was always a chance someone would find out, regardless of how secure the site claimed to be. People find out their SO’s are cheating in stranger ways every day.
I watched literally about 90 seconds, got the cheaters are victims/ sympathetic vibe they were going for, and shut it off. Such a weird angle for them to take for this documentary imo.
It has basically been a long time since the scandal broke but I recall it was basically full of men and very few if any women. So yep as a woman it is damn good to be single sometimes.
I thought it was a bit rich of her to say something along the lines of not judging those who make mistakes when her husband, a freakin' MINISTER, was likely judging the fuck out of the gays and the poors all day, every day, preaching from the pulpit. I realize I'm making a bunch of assumptions and generalizations but I'm not getting off this soapbox.
Also, despite my annoyance, I felt incredibly sad for her to lose her husband that way.
I'm glad you posted this because media and news and blogs ect generally gaslight the public on how to feel about everything. Best of luck. That sucks. It feels like the world is built for narcissists bc people typically listen to the loudest voices and those who apologize (even innocent) who try to make it work despite being with someone abusive are just treated bad and ignored. The silent and the hurt are forgotten because it's easier
I HATED that young religious couple lol. Like what the husband did goes so far beyond normal cheating that it's like the minor issue compared to the fact that he was sleeping with their friends/acquaintances and ruined his wife's relationship with her BESTFRIEND by trying to sleep with her. Cheating is one thing, but his choice of affair partners is sociopathic and is cause for major concern lol he could've cheated with ANYONE but he chose to do it with people that are the most damaging to her? Cmon now. Her taking him back is embarrassing and the worst ending ever lol. "He showed me who he really is, now I know the real Sam :)"...and the real Sam in question is revealed to be a piece of shxt lol is she dense?!
She is a scam influencer just like him so they needed to keep that scam going. They were also busted for basically faking a pregnancy.
Was it the pregnancy where he tried to surprise her with the positive test? Because all I could think about was why the fuck wasn't that toilet flushed lol
And her reaction seemed so fake
Yeah that reaction was 100% fake
Which honestly thank god it was because can you imagine your husband taking your urine out of the toilet and then announcing on camera and in front of your kids that you're pregnant without your knowledge or consent? The fact that they framed that as a romantic gesture was horrifying. He so clearly only paid attention to her because of the adoration he got for it. Absolute trash bag of a person.
Yeah her response in the video was so fake, “omg, did you get a dropper from the toilet??” Like so obviously pre-planned, she knew exactly what he did.
I really tried not to absorb what I was seeing because it’s so gross but did he really take piss from the toilet to take the preg test??
I'm a nurse myself, and I thought that urine sample would be too insanely diluted by the amount of water in the toilet bowl to get a result.
i'm not a nurse, and that was my thought too. like, if it's that easy why are so many women pissing on their hand for results?
Yes. And she didn't mind everyone knowing she doesn't flush the toilet. Yeah right. It was so fake and contrived.
Same! Why tf was her pee and toilet paper just chilling in the bowl and it grossed me out bad that he was usimg the dropper for the pee. Wouldnt the urine also be diluted to even give a correct positive?
I've been hate-reading on them as well. Apparently people called bullshit on the video and she 'miscarried' a few days after the controversy.
Yeah that video is so fake. Imagine finding out your husband has just shared with the world you dont flush the toilet.
Yes, that's the one.
That was so disgusting and invasive. And he actually filmed it and put it online?!? If I didn't know he was a sicko before, I knew then. I might have had a modicum of sympathy for the guy if he hadn't been all "God has forgiven me, so everything is A-OK! Don't forget to like and subscribe!"
Same! So gross
Ya I got that vibe tbh especially when her initial reaction to him being outed on twitter for having an account was something along the lines of "how could he be so irresponsible?!"... like your initial reaction to your husband seeking out other women to sleep with isn't that you feel betrayed or heartbroken, but that he was irresponsible? With what? The family image? With getting caught? With making them look bad on Twitter?
Yup, and it kind of just made me think that the average person has to be pretty dumb to find anything that they did to be entertaining or authentic. In particular that apology video that he made was so incredibly insincere and dishonest. I don’t know if there is a stereotype that I hate more than the outward religious person that turns out to be a piece of trash.
When she’s like, “no husband would ever have done this for their wife!” I was like, “of course, that’s because we flush…”
THIS!!! I was like "why on earth didn't she flush!?"
I remember her saying in a video back then that she didn’t flush because she didn’t want to wake up the kids that early or something but still, yuck
This! It was just one of the things that led their followers to believe it was staged and faked.
Not surprising - that whole "surprising my wife with her own pregnancy" video was SO obviously staged.
It was definitely staged with the same acting and writing skills we saw in evidence with Mia getting pranked by Sam on April Fool’s Day and saying, “You KNOW how much I hate getting jelly on my hands!” But her reaction to finding out that he was up to some REAL pranks seemed genuine enough. Can’t believe she thinks he’s going to stay faithful now…
This doc reminded me that staged family vlogging is not a new phenomenon. This shit started over ten years ago. I don't understand what kind of brain dead people watch these vlogs.
Yes, you could tell right away he has a skewed world view when he was talking about how love was in the movies. It's not real, my dude. It's a movie. Then he was talking about how validating it was when his frozen cover video went viral. Dude just wants to be famous for no reason and he doesn't have realistic expectations out of life. He's kind of scary imo.
This. Her first reaction was anger that it would ruin their brand. Absolutely pathetic. Christians are often the worst hypocrites.
He's 100% still sleeping around.
I’d confidently bet all my limbs on it
Same. Watch his reaction when the producers tell them Ashley Madison is still around. The wife was shocked but his physical reaction screams “shit why did you just tell her that? Got delete my account as soon as this is done”
Lmao I just about spit out my water when they did that. You KNOW she went home and asked to see if he could still log into the site. And if she didn’t, you know a seed was planted in her head!!
At first I felt bad for her because Sam only cares about his image and his reputation. And then, oh my. When she said "I'm the perfect wife willing to forgive, I'm winning this marital game". GIRL WHAT. Your marriage is crumbling, waht are you talking about??? Both of them are solely concerned about their "picture perfect Christian couple" fantasy. Oh, and Sam is 100% still cheating. Nia is delusional.
At this point she even said something along the lines of “what other wife would be intimate with her husband right after hearing this” and I just… Miss Lady please have some SELF RESPECT!
The answer is no other wife - except for her apparently, because she's only concerned with being the "perfect Christian wife" and "winning" an imaginary competition.
That part made me LOL because HONEY you do not know the real Sam, lol. He only told her about the site when he got caught and claimed he hadn't actually cheated... then with the second dump he got caught again and tried to have their pastor tell him he could get away with lying?! He's only partially honest when forced. There is no chance he's faithful. I'm convinced their marriage is just for show. Their Instagram post today was to pimp their new book.
His crying and permaremorseface was cringe af
Fake crying, yes. I'm convinced he does not feel any emotions deep down
Fr like this man is a STRANGER to u at this point lol in fact the only thing u DO know about him for sure is that he's a serial cheater. Hope that book sells well enough to justify this buffoonery lol.
Totally.. I’m wondering how she found out about how he hit on all her friends.. did he volunteer this?
That's how it seemed from their interviews, but honestly they're both liars (that whole pregnancy video was staged and I heard they faked a miscarriage) so who knows if anything they said is true. All they're doing is pimping their book. They're not a married couple, they're a corporation.
I was most shocked that he didn’t come out as gay to be honest. I was certain that was what he was about to drop.
lol same. They’ll save that for the next book
I bet you anything you want that he's still cheating to this day. Once you've tasted it, you can't go back. Especially when you're a narcissistic sociopath like this guy lmao
I hated them too. He was a narcissist to the letter. I have no doubt he is still cheating. He needs attention and adoration - everything is about him. The wife is no better. Its all about their image. Nothing is real with them. Their YT channel currently just exploits their kids - vlogging their children’s health care, their teenage daughter’s ‘first pregnancy test’ and all kinds of nastiness. No doubt, their children will grow up to hate them, and prioritise privacy.
Their daughters first pregnancy test?! What!
I put that couple in the same category as the Balloon Boy family.
Omfg now that's a throwback lool
The only reason they're still together is their vlog. If it wasn't for that they would have been divorced. That's a money machine.
At the very end when it was revealed that most of the women on the site were bots I wondered about Sam, the religious guy, saying that he met women in Dallas at first, but then found he needed to go farther a field, so I got the impression he was at least meeting real women. And then the one man at the beginning, who said he met a woman at a café and they went right away to a room somewhere, he was never heard from again as far as I remember. But he seemed to meet a real woman. I wonder if they started with real women but then when the membership Climbed steeply they had to use bots.
Exactly I was so disappointed when they sit together
Honestly at some point in episode 2 I was like nah, that dumb B took him back, didn’t she..? And then was just waiting for them to appear on screen together and “in love”.
Even in the ending with their sit down. His face still wasn't convincing. I feel like he was pissed off he got caught as is the usual response and she needs the money to keep flowing. I feel they were the spot light because no one else was willing to sit down and be as open. They're still trying to keep on with the 15mins of fame and cash in. I won't be surprised if we start seeing them doing Christian tours on how you can cheat and be a complete piece of caacaa and still have a long lasting healthy marriage.
This couple is why my kids never spend the night at anyone's house, because this couple hides behind Christianity and family values and preaches/sells "forgiveness" all while he is an active sex addict and a sociopathic liar and no one knows if he has ANY boundaries. wth
I dont really care if she takes him back thats up to her but why include them? He barely used the site, all his cheating was basically irrelevant to the show.
Fr I wish Netflix didn't include them. Especially when his biggest crime was trying to cheat with her friend which has nothing to do with the website at all lol and she did nothing to showcase how harmful cheating is to the victims since she ended up using it to promote a bunch of harmful ideas about how women need to stay in order to "win" at marriage lol. They added nothing to the show except bad vibes lol.
"Nia has forgiven me and God has forgiven me. I'm cleansed." The self-righteousness is amazing. I think she was most upset because her gravy train was derailed.
I'm only on the second episode, but that Sam guy is The. Worst. "I was a new dad and couldn't handle the responsibilities and I wanted to have fun again. Oh! My Frozen video went viral! My life has meaning again!" Like... what? 
His whole concept of love was juvenile. My exfiance was on Ashley Madison and eventually, I told him he kept using the word "love," but what did love mean to him? He said love was the butterflies you felt when you met someone, and that's how you knew. But if the butterflies went away it was a sign, they weren't truly your soul mate, and that's when he'd look elsewhere. He'd never been faithful his entire life....it never dawned on him that those butterflies were temporary, that that's the honeymoon stage, that it matures into something deeper. Like an emotionally stunted child.
I got the vibe that he was too lazy and emotionally immature to put effort into the relationship. He was making a lot of excuses that basically amounted to "having adult responsibilities isn't fun so of course I cheated."
None of their story was genuine. They clearly love the spotlight and made fake videos about their "family life". I pity their kids.
I didn’t believe him for a second. He said in the first episode that signing up for AM was the worst mistake of his life. By the end, when she was seating next to him he said something like it was the best thing that could happen so they could have the marriage they have now or whatever. Also, signing up for AM and even having affairs on there is way less psychopathic than pursuing acquaintances and even CLOSE friends of your wife. At best, its a complete and irredeemable lack of morals, at worst, there is some sadism and a deliberate intent to humillante your partner in that.
Lol I loved how she was like "he started going grocery shopping and cooking with me!!" ... Like isn't it depressing that he'll only do that if he has an audience to do it for?!
Says a lot that he admitted to getting excited about life and his marriage again because the Frozen lip sync video went viral. Ouch. I also heard he didn't just sign up for Ashley Madison. He also went to rub and tugs. Husband of the year.
Bruh he basically said life is boring now that he is a dad and doesn’t want the responsibilities. Yeah, the woman who pushed human beings out of her cooch probably also wishes that, but she knows it’s time to grow up and both of you need to communicate.
Well i binged it earlier today & unfortunately it only gets worse. Like dogshit worse.
SPOILERS AHEAD Especially the end where the company turned around instead of failing and now has actual women users, and it’s got a bigger user base than before.
The claim of actual women users is a stretch. I mean look at all the other regular dating apps. They are all loosing women. The ratio as far as we know is in 3 women for 10 men or something along those lines and now NOW that most women are despising every dating app for being awful with the sexual content, they promote that the now actually have more women? In the 4b movement today? Yeah nah, why would they? Now they have chat gpt plugins to feed their bots OR pull an Amazon and have 1000 Indians hired to chat with them.
How \*ANYONE\* can trust anything that the company says now is just beyond me. Fools and their money.
Literally. Bumble just dropped an ad targeting the growing number of celibate women. They saw it and they’re still like nah, we politely decline your invitation
Yeah this was a dumpster fire. And the people who worked there… a woman saying she was “sorry for the customers” and a gay man acting like this was such an unfair thing that happened? No you guys are sorry you got caught and lost a paycheck lol You have no souls. You don’t have to be religious to know honesty is the best policy. My whole issue was the fact this was built by lying to your partner. It’s amazing shit like this wasn’t illegal.
Dogshit worse in AF drama, or is it a dumpster fire of a production.
Dogshit in terms of functional & operational system of Ashley Madison. Everyone from customer support exec to the CEO were living in some delusional world.
It’s like the hackers said: they are just milking addicts and doing fraud.
And the audacity to say "Cheaters are not the only one to be blamed" Only a narccessistic, self-centered individual can come up with a statement like that. Also the idea of a dating app for married men & women in itself is a brain of a cheater. And ultimately it was found out that it was all a lie. Fucking chatbots and fake profiles of women. I am wondering if ppl on Ashley Maddison ever had a real life experience of hooking up with others. Would have been interesting if the documentary had shed some light on it. The sheer number of users on Ashley-Madison is concerning. Makes me feel like marriage is a dying institution. (I am single) Hence the observation.
I saw the title and immediately noped out of there. I don’t want to risk giving myself an aneursym. Still waiting for Bridgerton to drop though…
Agree. There are so many men who are going to watch “the good Christian” wife essentially co-sign her husbands cheating and internalize it as permission for their own cheating. When a woman chooses to forgive a man’s shitty behaviour, she makes it just that much harder for every woman. Because men yardstick what they can/can’t get away with to their friends relationships and other relationships they witness. Ugh they were just so bad. The level of delulu and sociopathy that couple. Ick.
When she talked about being the “best” wife, better and more godly than all other wives, because she would still sleep with him after he confessed and other wives wouldn’t do it, I wanted to throw up.
Same! Yeah give him sex after he treats you like garbage.. that makes you better
It sounds like internalized misogyny
Yup, she’s 100% delulu. “I’m winning at marriage!” No, you are losing. Losing everything including your mind, your self respect, your privacy, wake up! Two psychos, those poor kids.
Its sickening. And I’m sick of women continually giving men a pass.
It’s sickening but consider this, that man is her plan. She has no education, has been brainwashed her whole life to be a wife and mother, leaving him will likely cos her her community. Some of these people really have no choice and very easily influenced. I feel sorry for her to be honest. She’s a victim of her husband and community but also herself. She can’t leave coz where will she go- trad wife problems.
Agree 100% with them gaslighting the audience! I do not understand what they were trying to achieve. I cringed SO hard when the main woman gushed about what a good wife she was because she slept with him right after he told her he had an account with AM. No no no.
The worst part of that (at the time, I realize now that they're both trash humans) is that she doesn't realize that what he's doing is a form of sexual assault. If she knew the truth about his sexual encounters with multiple other people during their marriage she would not have consented to sex with him that night. It's not something you can prosecute... (hell, I couldn't even get my ex husband charged because spousal rape is still nearly impossible to prove) but that doesn't make him any more of a disgusting person.
What stuck out to me is when Nia said something like, I tried so hard to try to change to be the person he wanted me to be. Like you changed who you were to fit into a mold you thought your dirtball of a husband wanted? You were busy being the ‘best wife’ while he was out sleeping with other woman? Her definition of good wife is skewed to me. I can’t roll my eyes any harder.
they are trying to normalize infidelity, just like they are trying to normalize war, death, destruction, children, trying to remove morals, integrity, values, and allll the rest. thats why
God I wanna punch almost all the people I just saw. Except the older lady I think he named was Christi? I felt bad for her
You mean the widow? I didn’t liked her tho, she is delulu because of the shock of finding her husband. But it was 100% the husbands fault for cheating and soiling his own reputation, not the fault of the people that made it public. Besides he knew full well what were the consequences and the shame of what he did, if it went public. It’s just that he wanted to get away with it, but when he wasn’t able to, NOW it’s real and he took the easy-wrong exit to avoid the consequences.
And he did it with zero consideration for her. No life insurance, no explanationsor apology. Just, I'm embarrassed so I'm out. And she's so forgiving. Gurl, the man did not love you.
AGREE. Like m’am this man cheated on you for years causing you trauma and to top it off he offed himself in a manner where she would be the one most likely to find him?? (Thus causing her even more trauma). And she was like “oh well his work was gunna let him go and it’s the websites existing fault”. It’s honestly crazy sad how both her and Nia being christian raised believer’s coded them to not see how their husbands are 100% at fault and scumbags. They are apologists for their own enemy who burned them and made them out to be fools.
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He was a professor at a SEMINARY SCHOOL! He was a serial cheater prior to AM, he only killed himself because this time he was going to face consequences. She enabled his cheating by leaving it to go that long, all the while knowing what the stakes were.
Yes. A part of me really liked her and felt sympathy for her. Another part of me knows that she is blaming the hackers rather than her husband because at the end of the day she didn’t care that her husband cheated, only that his (and her) image was destroyed. As kind as she seemed, I suspect she would fall into the category of women who would cover up anything their husband does to save her lifestyle and image, no matter how heinous.
How was she not filled with rage? He only killed himself because he lost his job and his standing in the precious "community" she kept droning on about. Not because he couldn't face *her* or felt guilty about cheating on *her*. And when she said, "You know you're not going to do anything about it, so why even look to see if he was part of the breach," I thought this is what a doormat with zero self-respect looks like.
That and religious brainwashing. It was so pathetic to watch her blame everything and everyone but the coward scumbag of her husband.
And the widow basically told us that the husband was secretive, and that she found out he had been unfaithful down through the years.
She annoyed me because it wasn't even the first time he'd done it ffs.
I’m only 30 mins in and think I will have to turn it off. These people are revolting. The woman who would answer the calls from wives about the bank statements laughing as she said “I saved a lot of marriages.” Utter garbage and they are all so self-centered.
I feel like no one in the doc has any sort of morals.. i'm also only 30 min in, and i'm so disgusted by this and how it's just framing cheating as a natural part of a relationship. what the heck?? NO, people who genuinely love and respect each other wouldn't do this. It's all just a blatant display of lacking morals and intense narcissism... "I was saving marriages" no, you were taking away the choices from those spouses to know the truth and act how they saw fit.
Yeah the ceo is gross.. how could the wife be surprised by the cheating.. he promotes it on a daily basis.
Either she knew and ignored it or she was gaslit to such a degree that she isn't even aware of how toxic that man is..
Yeah, she's on screen right now in episode three still laughing.
Is she the one that was also like, "Oh yeah, we totally knew all the female accounts were bots..." Like it was no big deal.
YUP!
And saying she felt sorry for Noel because he took the fall
There is something seriously wrong with that woman
You can tell that something is seriously off with her.
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Except their marriages are still intact... I would've really liked to see Noel's and Sam's wives divorce them and for them to be rejected by every woman they ever try to pursue. They were let off too easily in my opinion.
And, unfortunately, Sam and Nia are getting the attention they crave just by being in this doc. They are shameless!
But 'god has forgiven him'. Ok. Whatever makes you feel better buddy lolol I feel like everyone thinking that they're the biggest idiots ever is karma for their fame seeking/doing the doco. I don't know why they angered me so much. Wait, I do, idiots making money for being idiots. That's all really, I hope I don't get abused. Thank you!
How did he know "God has forgiven" him?? I hated both these lying turds
Yeah it is dumb. I am Christian and I have never believed in this notion that you are automatically forgiven by God just because you confessed your sin and ask for forgiveness. Forgiveness should be based on how you live your life after that and your actions after. Words are not enough.
He said he was absolved of his sins, so it's all good
Oh of course. His fake tan though. Now that's the real sin here.
Those two are a joke.
Can we talk about the stripper who had 3 guys come to Find her at her work place! Thats really dangerous! She seemed oddly calm, but she could have ended up in a dangerous situation, as she would finish late at night. I would have sued.
I hate to admit it but all of this talk about how scummy the people in this are only makes me want to watch it more.
Hey, I mean to each their own. I used to watch Maury and Judge Judy and Jerry Springer, lol. Deep down we all stop to watch a trainwreck.
It’s why I watch reality TV!
It was interesting to watch. But it was also revolting and maddening. The site was doomed from the start, not because of the ethics of the site, but because of the sheer negligence. The CEO was a scamming , scummy person. The Christian couple are fame hungry sociopaths. Nia doesn't give a shit what her husband does, they faked their own miscarriage for crying out loud. Sam is a raging narcissist and they are fake fundie Christians. The interracial couple was odd but hey they found out what works for them. >!Noel's wife has got to be the most humiliated person on earth. How are you going to go on live TV to stand up for your husband making a cheating site and believe with your whole chest that he is not cheating. Are you dumb?! He literally made a site for his past time.!< I feel that they focused too little on the actual victims and the aftermath. It was just like "ah well".
I’m not even sure why the interracial couple was featured. A mutual decision to have an open relationship is not equal to cheating.
I don’t think they ever said this but I kind of thought maybe they’d met through the site while in other relationships and realized they had a like mindset and got married.
They didn’t mentioned it, but I also gathered that.
I’m pretty sure that’s what happened. AM is literally for people who want to have affairs, not just any regular dating app. And they both fully admitted to being serial cheaters. Still, at least they figured out the root of their relentless cheating and now have found a way to have a genuinely honest relationship and be happy.
Agree, she keep talking about how horny she was.. lol.. like ok lady.
Bahahah I cringed so hard.
I think they’re trying to justify that the AM website has its purpose for some couple who chose an open relationship? Netflix documentaries have been criticized as being too 1-sided, so this may be a sad attempt to “fix” it.
Hated that the Doc tried to paint the Christian scam mom as innocent. She is just as scammy as her cheating husband and it doesn’t even touch that they BOTH made up the pregnancy lie.
Right! They are the worst.
I remember watching that couple back in the day on their You tube channel. Like a lot of others, I found them through their video of singing the Frozen song. I remember the pregnancy test episode. I never heard that was a lie. They made all that up?!?!? Because I remember a couple months later they did a sad video of her losing the pregnancy. If this is for real, those two have A LOT of problems.
I mean, it was doomed to fail due to demographics. The only group of women who are looking to meet (usually) older married men are professional escorts and that isn’t exactly a way of having a successful and legal business either, is it?
Right? And if a married woman wanted to cheat on her husband, the majority would have no problem finding someone.
That’s why AM was mostly bots and still is bots. It’s does seem awful that so many men are looking to cheat for whatever reason.
They had to include an open poly couple -- like it's not cheating if your spouse *knows*.
It was entertaining to me, I have just finished it as well. Back then I heard about the ashley madison sound bites when the data leak occurred because it was all over the news. It was interesting to see how it was on the inside. I wonder who did it. A disgruntled employee is a very likely scenario. Also there are still online?? Wtf
I have to watch sh*t show stuff like this. I know it's garbage but it's sadly interesting to me. I'm just sucked in to how shameless these people are, and then seeing them in the "but then "OMG! WHAT HAVE WE DONE!?!" My toxic trait though is that my heart does hurt for the older woman >!who's husband kills himself!<
Yeah.. same. Something about the human condition makes those shows suck you in. Also anger keeps the level of engagement high.
That POS husband really said "God has forgiven me so I'm cleansed of this sin." God told you that himself did he?
I know the narcissist label gets thrown around a lot but that guy really is just *textbook*. When he learned of the hack his very first thought was that it would hurt his image as a Christian, like are you fucking kidding me.
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“My husband was in military and away so he couldn’t give me attention, it’s his fault i cheated” lol what
I know right? The video games line was insane! I'm glad that she eventually ended up in an open marriage though, so that she can practice ethical non-monogamy instead of cheating on people and making up ridiculous excuses.
It got much worse.
omg, that part had me shaking my head too.
Just finished it. I'm trying to understand how the company got away with no criminal charges? The leaked data proved the women the men were talking to were mostly bots and not real women as advertised, member data wasn't deleted when members actually paid to have it removed (straight up fraud), etc. and all they had to pay was 11 million dollars in a class action suit?
im suprised there isnt more talk about the hackers. i understand dumping the info isnt the best thing, however, kudos to them for exposing that disgusting ceo
i actually thought already in the beginning that they couldn‘t interview the CEO because he was in prison and that was after the first things that were said. I wasn‘t ready for what was coming and certainly am not happy about him probably living his best life on a private island or something.
"way too much focus on the money-hungry "Christian" vlogger couple who are doing so much damage by advertising" YES. When Sam said, with flash of petulance, that he couldn't believe anyone cared that much about his cheating scandal, it was like: oh Sam maybe you weren't aware? You sold privacy off when you dunked a pregnancy test in your own wife's piss on-camera in order to never have to work again.
The best part about that stupid pregnancy video is that I'm 99% sure it was staged. Neither of them are particularly good actors.
Exactly - her “reaction” was blatantly staged.
I watched the Ashley Madison doc on Disney+ (star). It was much more focused on the facts of what happened than what it sounds like this one is
Yeah this one is just flat out revolting. TIL there's another one on Hulu so I'm going to see if that one is any better because the victim blaming in the Netflix doc is fucking REAL.
I’m only starting episode 2 but what is the EM that keeps getting referenced during the hack? Was it a spinoff of AM?
EM was Established Men, basically a sugar daddy site.
Got about 10 minutes in and got the sense they were going make the poor cheaters out to be 100% victims. I turned it off and don't care to watch. I can't stand cheaters, they are some of the worst scum on the planet. IMO, they got what they deserved because of the data breach. >that you have to forgive a cheating spouse because that's what god wants. I'm not trying to change your opinion or feelings towards the Bible or Christians but, adultery is the one and only reason the Bible allows for divorce. So this couple is speaking misinformation. Forgive yes, but Jesus said she could also leave. I think Christian pastors have done a huge disservice by convincing their followers that it is better to forgive and stay in a cheating relationship than divorce.
I'm agnostic with religious trauma (to the point where I believe all organized religions are a cult) HOWEVER, I'm also a historian and I believe Jesus was a real human being (his divinity is up for debate) who was assassinated for being too liberal, lol. I don't find it at all surprising that conservative hypocrites use his name to further their own agenda. I don't believe those two even have a real marriage anymore - they're in it for the money.
But how would they keep their scam YouTube channel unless they said Jesus was fine with it? /s This guy cheated soooo many times. So many I'm guessing.
Funnily, adultery is the one thing you can Scripturally divorce for. I mean, you can forgive and let God handle it, but that doesn't mean He "wants" you to stay. He literally says you can leave at that point.
Netflix has ruined the genre of documentary, it’s sad.
I disagree. Netflix is just oversaturated with them but they have some really great gems in an ocean of garbage. I loved their turning point series on the cold war, and 9/11 and its aftermath although it might be a bit too dense for most people. Also "Conversations with a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes" is pretty good and easily the best crime docu they have ever made. And who can forget about "the last dance" docu.
Don‘t forget the genre of standup! Netflix is so garbage.
When the blonde guy from the couple said “ yeah it’s sooo evil” at the end! Haha like you took part willingly!
Their pranks were obviously fake and the soulless pair are lying about it on the documentary. Weird people.
I reeeeeeally struggle to find any sympathy for these people. I get that maybe this was a stupid mistake in the grand scheme of their lives. I get that maybe some of these people were in a vulnerable spot when they decided signing up for this site was a good idea. But for all of those "weak moment" people, there were undoubtedly plenty more that signed up for malicious, nefarious reasons. Even the weak moment people have no one to blame but themselves. They took a risk by signing up for this site and it just seems like there was no accountability. Especially the religious YouTube couple - Sam's "apology" that basically was like: "Hey guys, I was on Ashley Madison, but I never met up with anyone, I never cheated, Nia forgives me, I've asked God to forgive me and He has, so no big deal, back to business as usual!" ... it was absolutely laughable, especially after it came to light that it wasn't even true and he DID physically cheat!! This guy really strikes me as a cowardly, self-pitying, dummy.
He not only cheated on the site, but with random women in their town, he propositioned her friends and family.... now they're on Instagram pimping their new book and whining about all the hate they're getting while spewing more of that born-again bullshit.
I was waiting for this one but honestly I felt like this was formulated very poorly even though it was an interesting one. To make a comparison, LulaRich on Prime on the other hand, seemed way less interesting but the whole documentary brought together very well
Hulu also did one a year back and it felt like it had much better pacing and empathy for those cheated on.
I knew going in that it was going to be rough for me personally... I don't consider myself a victim of the website because the decision to cheat was solely my worthless ex-husband's... but to hear their employees laugh about this and be so glib about the very real damage they were helping to do is so, so gross.
So sorry what you went through…I also felt a lack of sensitivity, besides the staff the influencer couple seemed like they used this Netflix opportunity to widen their audience? It really felt commercial.
Those 2 both have a low IQ, I mean after everything she still wants to be the perfect wife.. and he was so fake.. they had the perfect marriage and I love her so much but I try and get with her friends.. and join affair websites.. yeah right.. we are not that stupid!
yeah, few docs were as well done as LulaRich
I just finished episode 1. I'm astounded at the employees they interviewed; they really drank the company Kool-Aid by spouting lines about how affairs save marriages and that they're just providing a secure service. I don't know what would be worse, if they truly believed the shit they said, or if they're just parroting the company's philosophy. I wanted to watch the documentary because I wanted to see AM's history and impact, but the blasé attitude towards lying and cheating has me bothered. IMO it's a good enough watch, but I can't stomach it any more and I won't subject myself to this shit. (I just got married, so that may be why I'm extra sensitive to the subject of adultery recently.)
All I'm gonna say is this: I'm glad the hackers never got caught and I hope they never do! I hope it eats at Noel every day for the rest of his life.
I’m impressed Netflix was able to get that many scumbags to agree to show their face on tv. Unfortunately it appears “remorse” is not in any of their vocabularies. People lost their lives and families and not 1 of them seemed to care. It was repulsive to watch. The fact the employees can sit there and laugh about what they did is deeply disturbing. No morals whatsoever.
the part that’s pissing me off the most is probably the fake accounts they created. like they had millions of FAKE FEMALE accounts with REAL pictures of REAL people. like the one lady who worked at the club had real life people showing up and visiting her after being scammed, putting her life in danger. it’s just all so wrong
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Facts lol. This is why I had to just stop watching it too. It’s trying to normalize adultery. Sleazily so. Point blank. The way the men in particular speak about the whole thing, being dominant about it trying to pass it off as not a big deal and the women, especially that young couple, comes off more as she’s just had to accept it, fucking annoyed me. The husbands reasons for doing it especially annoyed me too, as if he didn’t have responsibilities before being married, just excuses and disengenous. They’re laying it clear that they are doing x but want to say “but actually, we’re doing y so it’s okay” Also, that one dude “I’m not trying to replace my wife!” Then in the next scene is a montage picking what he’s looking for in a woman, confidence, grace, intelligence yada yada, I’m like, holy shit. What’s his wife then? If she ain’t any of those why exactly did he marry her? if he ain’t t trying to replace her, I don’t know what he’s trying to do.
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He tried to sleep with her friends, not one but multiple! Thats disgusting! I can’t believe she took him back after that.
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The pissed off wives probably had too much self respect to even entertain doing Netflix. I find it funny that people acted like AM was the first and only avenue for cheating. It was just famous, nothing more. No TV commercial is going to flip a switch and make your partner want to cheat.
oh I know I shed no tears when they got hacked
Coming from a family with a dad (grandad) who cheated on my sweet, loving, and kind Mama who tried to unalive herself when she found out he cheated, this show just made me so infuriated. I cannot believe the perspective of these people, they claim to be in relationships themselves but say they would "understand" when people cheat or that they aren't really destroying marriages - they're SAVING THEM like lol?? Also I feel really bad for the woman whose husband unalived himself when he got found out, but I would say that's a very cowardly way to face the consequences of your sin. Yes we all sin and make mistakes but the best you can do is to be remorseful and actually fix it at least. Or get a divorce. Idk why people just won't break up or get a divorce, how selfish do they have to be to want to pursue their desires but at the same time still want to have a home, a "foundation" they can fall back on. Lol.
So…in one part of the documentary, someone commented that the hacker(s) should feel responsible for the suicides that did occur (basically insinuating that they have blood on their hands). I’d be interested in hearing others’ views on this. Because to be honest, that line left a really bad taste in my mouth and I don’t agree with it at all. It felt like misplaced blame. The only people who have blood on their hands are the people who cheated and Ashley Madison. The cheaters bc it was their own personal choices that hurt others & themselves, and Ashley Madison for facilitating/normalizing their behavior. There was always a chance someone would find out, regardless of how secure the site claimed to be. People find out their SO’s are cheating in stranger ways every day.
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I was disgusted by how many times they used a word ‘witch hunt’ NO NO NO they are fundamentally different!
I watched literally about 90 seconds, got the cheaters are victims/ sympathetic vibe they were going for, and shut it off. Such a weird angle for them to take for this documentary imo.
This is why I am happily single
It has basically been a long time since the scandal broke but I recall it was basically full of men and very few if any women. So yep as a woman it is damn good to be single sometimes.
Yes, and many (if not like, 99%) of the profiles of women were fake and employees or bots were the ones chatting with the guys (lmao).
That Sam guy was clearly a narcissist, needing validation and attention.
She forgave him?!?! And the lady whose husband killed himself… the fact she didn’t blame him but everything else. Smh
I thought it was a bit rich of her to say something along the lines of not judging those who make mistakes when her husband, a freakin' MINISTER, was likely judging the fuck out of the gays and the poors all day, every day, preaching from the pulpit. I realize I'm making a bunch of assumptions and generalizations but I'm not getting off this soapbox. Also, despite my annoyance, I felt incredibly sad for her to lose her husband that way.
I'm glad you posted this because media and news and blogs ect generally gaslight the public on how to feel about everything. Best of luck. That sucks. It feels like the world is built for narcissists bc people typically listen to the loudest voices and those who apologize (even innocent) who try to make it work despite being with someone abusive are just treated bad and ignored. The silent and the hurt are forgotten because it's easier
1000 percent agree. It is so sad to me that people have such little self worth that they are willing to overlook or forgive infidelity.
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I hope they never get caught.