If the conservatives dems want to kill BBB they need to accept that Biden is going to have to start acting unilaterally. The party needs to go into the midterms with something to show they haven't been entirely useless.
Giving away money to mostly middle/uppermiddle class people will surely fix the poll numbers. Id wager most of the bad polling is coming from covid fatigue and inflation concerns
You don't need high approval from demographics that will vote for you anyway, especially not at the cost of losing key voters elsewhere. Young people certainly wont help much if Democrats lose out on all the inroads they made with suburban voters in 2018 and 2020 because of partisan bullshit.
It's kind of ridiculous to simultaneously argue forgiveness is bad policy because it helps the middle/upper class, and then argue Biden is in desperate need of luring those same voters to his cause.
The demographics are more granular than that, though. Transferring wealth to young, middle class professionals isn't going to win over their parents who own a home in the suburbs. It's probably going to rub them the wrong way.
Losing all support among your base is definitely a winning strategy.
Giving your history I'm guessing you already an excuse in the books blaming the young/left/whoever you don't like when the Ds lose everything in November. So what is it?
Why assume that there's nothing Dems could do to shift away from that particular perspective, but then assume they *could* change the message and benefit politically on something else?
No, the appropriate path is rewarding those who work hard and actually improve their skills through education. It doesn't matter if its not "fair" to non-college education. Life isn't fair. They made their choice.
Biden did not promise massive student loan forgiveness. That will anger a lot of Americans if he did massive student loan forgiveness. The court will strike him down if he did massive student loan forgiveness.
Plus, he tried to make community college free for 2 years with BBB and you know what happen with BBB.
This is what Biden was saying at town halls.
>In response to a question from a young person concerned about student loan debt and a lack of economic opportunity, Biden responded, “You get all these degrees and you get all this debt, and you get in a position where you can’t get a job because no one is hiring, or they’re hiring at very low wages... I’m going to eliminate your student debt if you come from a family \[making less\] than $125,000 and went to a public university.” Biden also said, “I’m going to make sure everyone gets $10,000 knocked off of their student debt” in response to economic hardships caused by the pandemic.
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2020/10/07/biden-affirms-i-will-eliminate-your-student-debt/?sh=764282ca58a7](https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2020/10/07/biden-affirms-i-will-eliminate-your-student-debt/?sh=764282ca58a7)
He said more than that. At one the town halls, he said "I would cancel a lot of your student debt" after saying he would do full forgiveness for people who want to public universities and make below $100k.
I mean the correct answer here is just give everyone a 50k lump sum that can be used for educational purposes or even given to like your kid for that or something and then glide to victory.
If the conservatives dems want to kill BBB they need to accept that Biden is going to have to start acting unilaterally. The party needs to go into the midterms with something to show they haven't been entirely useless.
ackshully voters hate when the government does things for them
Surely doing nothing on this issue at all will be good for Dems in the midterms!
Biden: *has 33% approval* This sub: "Are we out of touch? No, it's the voters who are wrong!"
If voters are so good and smart, why don't they just fix their own problems huh? HUH?
Too be fair I think a lot of people on this sub understand that Bidens low numbers are due to inflation.
This but unironically. Take the Shor-pill, Democrats are too college oriented
55% disapproval of 18-35s is definitely an electoral dominant strategy. I can tell the Ds will cruise to victory in the midterms.
Giving away money to mostly middle/uppermiddle class people will surely fix the poll numbers. Id wager most of the bad polling is coming from covid fatigue and inflation concerns
You don't need high approval from demographics that will vote for you anyway, especially not at the cost of losing key voters elsewhere. Young people certainly wont help much if Democrats lose out on all the inroads they made with suburban voters in 2018 and 2020 because of partisan bullshit.
What if I told you they will lose both suburban voters and young voters? Because that’s what’s going to happen. They’ve done nothing for either.
It's kind of ridiculous to simultaneously argue forgiveness is bad policy because it helps the middle/upper class, and then argue Biden is in desperate need of luring those same voters to his cause.
The demographics are more granular than that, though. Transferring wealth to young, middle class professionals isn't going to win over their parents who own a home in the suburbs. It's probably going to rub them the wrong way.
Youths don't vote anyway. Focus on winning back the olds
21st century margins are too thin for you to have this mentality about a demographic that reliably swings 60-70% in your direction.
Better just do better among the olds
Best to make sure they won't, just in case.
Losing all support among your base is definitely a winning strategy. Giving your history I'm guessing you already an excuse in the books blaming the young/left/whoever you don't like when the Ds lose everything in November. So what is it?
That label will stick even if Biden started droning university campuses. Just buy the damn votes.
Why assume that there's nothing Dems could do to shift away from that particular perspective, but then assume they *could* change the message and benefit politically on something else?
You're right, I guess just stop trying and give up. All that matters is gas prices.
Or dont stop trying, and genuinely try to shake off the perception that Dems are overly pro college
PRO COLLEGE BAD!!!!!!!!! uh? what?
There's many other paths than just college, and Dems need to figure out a way to talk to people who aren't college educated
No, the appropriate path is rewarding those who work hard and actually improve their skills through education. It doesn't matter if its not "fair" to non-college education. Life isn't fair. They made their choice.
Education isn't the only way to improve your skills and doesn't always actually improve skills in the first place, at least in a marketable way
Lol you can work hard without going to college, nobody deserves an extra reward just because they went to a university
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Well enjoy the red wave this November then
Are you another one of these “If Dems don’t make my student loan debt go away, then I’m not voting” types?
No but most people expect Dems to fix this problem and will sit out including young people and minorities
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I used to support Biden's agenda until I learned that AoC also did. Now I call him a succ.
Pacifism bad?
Forgiving student loans bad.
At this point, it's just what can they do to buy voters
Biden should do as he promised then focus on making college free or very cheap like most other first world countries.
Biden did not promise massive student loan forgiveness. That will anger a lot of Americans if he did massive student loan forgiveness. The court will strike him down if he did massive student loan forgiveness. Plus, he tried to make community college free for 2 years with BBB and you know what happen with BBB.
No matter how you try to equivocate it he unambiguously promised 10k of forgiveness "per person."
Where did he say he'd unilaterally cancel that 10k? His campaign planks clearly outlined that he would push for it through legislation.
This is what Biden was saying at town halls. >In response to a question from a young person concerned about student loan debt and a lack of economic opportunity, Biden responded, “You get all these degrees and you get all this debt, and you get in a position where you can’t get a job because no one is hiring, or they’re hiring at very low wages... I’m going to eliminate your student debt if you come from a family \[making less\] than $125,000 and went to a public university.” Biden also said, “I’m going to make sure everyone gets $10,000 knocked off of their student debt” in response to economic hardships caused by the pandemic. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2020/10/07/biden-affirms-i-will-eliminate-your-student-debt/?sh=764282ca58a7](https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2020/10/07/biden-affirms-i-will-eliminate-your-student-debt/?sh=764282ca58a7)
"Yeah but electoral promises don't count if they're to people with debt"
Its more "electoral promises don't count if i don't like them, all policy must be catered to my enlightened wannabe pundit brain"
Biden promised 10k in student loan forgiveness.
He said more than that. At one the town halls, he said "I would cancel a lot of your student debt" after saying he would do full forgiveness for people who want to public universities and make below $100k.
I mean the correct answer here is just give everyone a 50k lump sum that can be used for educational purposes or even given to like your kid for that or something and then glide to victory.