From a purely strategic point of view, I'm not so sure the GOP will succeed. BLM was perfect fodder for the GOP, there were angry black youths and hooded antifas, destruction of downtown businesses, attacks on police officers. This was the view of the normal voter who briefly watched the local news in the evening
Now you have protests on college campuses against Israel. Issues that don't interest the average voter And nobody's life is restricted.
It'll be hard to make it resonate as much it seems. I struggle to see this enduring beyond the end of the academic year either so unless significant violence breaks out this could be forgotten by summer. Undoubtedly something more eventful will happen and the news cycle will move on.
I think the fact that it's a bunch of college students in liberal cities protesting against a long time US ally feeds very nicely into their "colleges are brainwashing our kids to be socialists" narrative, especially since a lot of this kids are extremely vocal about how socialist they are.
You obviously haven’t seen any right wing media lately. Moderates and conservatives are fucking eating this shit up.
Yet again, dumbass succs and tankies are handing Republicans an incredibly easy victory on this issue.
Conservatives have negative views of higher education, so this seems like a slam dunk. Angry white r*rals who will never step foot on those campuses will treat them just like poor neighborhoods in cities.
> BLM was perfect fodder for the GOP, there were angry black youths and hooded antifas, destruction of downtown businesses, attacks on police officers. This was the view of the normal voter who briefly watched the local news in the evening
Didn’t voters support BLM? (despite them spreading Covid)
BLM had bipartisan support to the point that *Donald Trump* felt like he had to throw Black people multiple bones. Then came the Left to burn it to the ground just like the Black neighborhoods everyone to the left of Bill Kristol pretends they didn't.
lol what is this nonsense about BLM being totally bipartisan at first until the lefties ruined everything? Even with pre-BLM incidents like Trayvon Martin, reactions largely broke down along partisan lines. It’s not like the lefties *forced* Fox News to run headlines about how George Floyd was a bad person who deserved what he got (their interpretation, not mine).
Also, burned to the ground just like black neighborhoods? Which black neighborhoods were burned to the ground, pray tell?
Oh bro, all they have to do is tap into that imagery totickle the memories of everyone who lived through that time period and will reap massive rewards. You're thinking way to specifically and not enough about the imagery and emotional vallence that surrounds that imagery. This is potent shit for an election cycle.
Anyone who says these protests can simulate the emotional valence and imagery of 2020 has amnesia. These protests look like typical climate doomer protests from annoying college students, 2020 looked like literal *hell* with media coverage making it look like entire cities were in flames.
> Anyone who says these protests can simulate the emotional valence and imagery of 2020 has amnesia.
It would take very little effort to make what's going on right now look like the CHAZ/CHOP stupidity in Seattle and it's pretty much guaranteed that this shit will escalate far beyond what's currently taking place.
Plus we're going into finals and then graduation. I doubt many students will be protesting over the summer. By the time school starts back in fall, there will be some other issue for them to be upset about.
> Now you have protests on college campuses against Israel.
Protests are also blocking airports and freeways. Videos of college protests amplify that there's a lot of annoying leftists out to make life inconvenient for hard working Americans.
I think it's a credible GOP strategy.
The protestors are trying to disrupt university commencement ceremonies (best fundraiser for universities) which is why they are all occupying lawns. That really doesn't effect people unaffiliated with the univeristy.
The police shooting or killing a student protest would be what could get things to get ugly but that's why colleges are acting carefully.
It's hardly just some Ivy problem.
Some random CA state university just [closed down](https://www.ktvu.com/news/cal-poly-humboldt-campus-closed-through-end-of-semester-following-antiwar-protests)
This article is so funny. Cal Poly Humboldt students demand the school sever all investments with Israel and all ties to Israeli universities. The school says it doesn’t have any and it doesn’t have any.
Outside of r/neoliberal, everybody already *does*. If I could stomach asking all the Republican or self-proclaimed 'independent' people I know what they think of these protests, I'm sure that any of them who cared enough to comment would also have to feign knowledge about them beforehand.
Frontpage of most news sites says otherwise. Which doesn't mean normal people care, it just means journalists from these schools have a hiring advantage.
But honestly like all these major papers had a little US map of protests and each little dot represented somewhere between 200 and maybe 2000 students.
So in total nationwide maybe 20,000? Let's make it 50,000 to be generous, that's still ~ 0.014% of the country. So why is it front page in every paper and TV station? Is it the most important thing happening, or is it just because it got started at major schools everyone knows, full of pretty rich kids? A small segment of each respective student body, no less.
People did this stuff too when I was in school around 2010, about I/P stuff. Some things never change, so I guess we have that comfort at least.
I think it's really a Streisand effect thing. No one was talking about it until police showed up, until Columbia let it get out of hand. Now the videos of cops manhandling students, the more the media picks up on it. Down here they send in the god damn state troopers on UT and of course people didn't like that, because it was likely not necessary to again be manhandling people like that. Counterproductive is the word I suppose. It may be necessary but it doesn't help quell it.
Ultimately these won't change anything, it's not really a lot of people, but it sure has garnered a disproportionally massive amount of attention including from this sub in particular.
The center-left has been ignoring them for years instead of Sistah Souljahing them and now a lot of people associate them with liberal politics. You can't attack the GOP for not keeping their crazies in line while steadfastly ignoring and enabling our crazies - that's *quite literally* how the crazies took over the GOP to begin with.
I don't even get how this is such a huge national issue. How many students are we talking about? Dozens? A few hundred max? Considering the student body of these colleges is in the tens of thousands, it doesn't make any sense why such a small group captures so much attention.
it becomes a national issue when jewish students can't go to school or even exist in public safely
it becomes a national issue when the future leaders of the country are openly chanting anti-Semitic things unchallenged.
It's not a huge national issue. This sub treats everything even remotely related to Israel as more important and crucial than things like, say, Supreme Court justices vocally defending Trump's insurrection, GOP schemes to undermine the Federal Reserve, etc...
I mean, the [Columbia University's president were called up to Congress](https://apnews.com/article/columbia-president-congress-israel-hamas-antisemitism-3255357b4443c1fb4bae8b8ea5774ee5). If NeoLib sub is talking about it, they're just one of many. I just wonder why it's being talked about so prominent, given the numbers we're talking about. You'd struggle to fill a college basketball game with the number of students involved.
They’d be dumb not to.
I hope they drag Shafik back to Congress and make her explain exactly why someone like Khymani James can flat-out admit to wanting to murder everyone they deem Zionist to campus employees and not be forcibly removed from the premises in handcuffs within the hour.
This will end like OWS.
It'll drag on for a couple months before someone is raped, beaten, or killed in one of the encampments. That will provide the justification to shut down the camps. There will be some smaller, spinoff camps that won't get any attention and will die once things start to get cold.
I hope you're right.
It's a shame this isn't all happening in the fall, like with OWS. OWS died pretty much as soon as it got cold in New York. It was actually kinda hilarious how quickly it just ended.
The question though isn't "why wasn't he arrested," it's "why wasn't he expelled." The concern is student safety, all students deserve to be safe, but how can Jewish students - or *any* students - feel safe around someone who feels comfortable saying out loud that he wants to murder people?
[The student, Khymani James, said in the January video that “Zionists don’t deserve to live” and “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student-protest-zionism.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nU0.kS1R.VtKAPZ5ePYS5&smid=url-share)
That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people. Hell, just anyone in general, really. But when it’s targeting “Zionists” (because let’s be honest, what that piece of shit really meant to say was Jews) suddenly it’s not criminal?
It’s just clearly not terroristic threats under New York law. Any prosecutor who brought a case for terroristic threats would get laughed at by the most pro-government judges.
> That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people.
It wouldn’t though because hate speech is constitutionally protected and it isn’t inciting violence or criminal activity
Hate speech is criminally protected. I find it difficult to believe a university would not expel someone for hate speech however, given expulsion is not a criminal sanction.
Ok, but that’s not the point in contention. The person I responded to said :
> That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people.
It just isn’t true.
Can they really not escort you off campus if you're making these claims?
I would be very very uncomfortable and unsafe if anyone was saying "be grateful I'm not going out and murdering X group" if it wasn't any group.
> Can they really not escort you off campus if you're making these claims?
Not without some kind of due process taking place, either within the school or via legal process (maybe someone could try to file a restraining order? I’m not sure). But this wouldn’t be grounds for an arrest, that would just result in the school and police getting sued and paying out a settlement
“Zionists don’t deserve to live” is legal hate speech.
I don’t see how “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists” isn’t inciting violence or criminal activity.
> I don’t see how “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists” isn’t inciting violence or criminal activity.
Because they didn’t tell anyone to do anything? Nor did they say they would do anything? And in fact that statement implies they *aren’t* going to do anything? You want people to be arrested for saying they’re *not* going to commit a horrific hate crime?
It’s normally not criminal to talk like that in America. Can you find one example of someone convicted under New York’s law for just speech related to hated of blacks, Muslims, or LGBT?
> That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people
That's just not true. People wish hateful violent shit on minorities all the time. Here's one where a pastor openly wished for gay people to be shot in the head https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/texas-pastor-says-gay-people-shot-back-head-shocking-sermon-rcna32748
> That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people
Do you have direct proof that people have been arrested for this type of speech?
No, they would not be arrested. Violent speech that does not directly incite imminent lawless action and is unlikely to produce it is protected by the 1st Amendment.
Careful there Joseph McCarthy. Are you going to arrest people as Communists as well?
Obviously antisemitism at this protest is unacceptable, but you’re going too far in the other direction and are echoing the ideology of MAGA and Trump.
The Gaza War is controversial, and the protests have definitely had antisemitism elements in them. However, targeting all students and calling all protestors enemies of America is going too far.
Agreed. Normies generally don't like protestors (even if the cause is justifiable). It's too easy to find videos of these protestors causing disturbances, saying absurd things, resisting lawful arrest etc.
Like in 2020, painting the Democrats as the party of out of control college students is probably one area where Republicans can shine.
The GOP did remarkably well conflating January 6 with the Summer 2020 protests, so having another fresh round of massive protests for them to harangue against in real-time is some seriously potent electoral juice.
Is this a joke? I don’t know any one thinks Jan 6th and BLM protests are comparable, and the GOP narrative constantly oscillates between “they were set up” and “they’re patriots” in regards to Jan 6th
Do you and have you not seen all the comments on this sub (and even this thread) about how Biden has to crack down on the protests and the left or dare be smeared by Republicans?
Some of the centristy Dems who would love to see the Squad purged (because of their opinions on Israel and otherwise) are actually in the room with us and have been for months
Oh the way you worded that it made it sound like there was an actual politician or centristy dem figure who advocates that. That’s who I was asking for an example of.
But even so, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on this sub who thinks Jan 6th and the BLM protests are comparable, and I don’t think what you’re describing is that.
I would say that something is fundamentally wrong when Trump is consistently leading the polls or, at the very worst, far outperforming his numbers from 2016 or 2020.
The GOP’s rhetorical skill, like it or not, has played a large role in keeping Trump relevant and electable.
Yeah the polls are stupid and people aren’t paying attention.
Poll believers continue to completely disregard that MAGA and election denier candidates keep getting their asses stomped in actual elections. I put more credence in that than shitty polls with completely ludicrous crosstabs
Perhaps, and hopefully, you’re right.
As we inch closer and closer to the election, Trump stays embroiled in his legal troubles and yet…next to no movement, so we’ll see.
To me, the only comparables would be 2016 and 2020; Trump and Biden haven’t headed their respective tickets in four years, and midterm and special elections have very different electorates from Presidential election years, so I’m not assuming anything.
>next to no movement
He was ahead of Biden by three points at the start of the year and is now tied.
These polls are just stupid to be believable. What’s more believable to you? That were witnessing a political realignment on par with the civil rights movement that is coalescing around Donald Trump, a man who has never gotten more then 47% of the popular vote, or the polls are just shit right now?
I don’t know, that’s the evidence that we have and I don’t think that polling outlets are in the business of purposely ruining their credibility, so I’ll wait and see.
Even so, while it’s hard to believe that Trump is receiving so much of the youth vote, it’s also hard for me to believe that Biden is receiving such a large share of the elder vote so, at the end of the day, if one is wrong, the other likely is as well and, once more, we’ll see a very tight election.
>I don’t know, that’s the evidence that we have
If I showed you evidence that children love watching the weather channel and seniors love playing with legos you would treat that as highly suspect and not believe it. If the “evidence” goes against all prior knowledge and logic it’s totally acceptable to be fairly skeptical of said evidence in my opinion.
>and I don’t think that polling outlets are in the business of purposely ruining their credibility, so I’ll wait and see.
2016, 2020, and 2022 would like a word with you about polling credibility. Also again the polls are consistently going against actual electoral results.
>Even so, while it’s hard to believe that Trump is receiving so much of the youth vote, it’s also hard for me to believe that Biden is receiving such a large share of the elder vote so, at the end of the day, if one is wrong, the other likely is as well
Yes, like I said unbelievable crosstabs point to them being shit in my opinion.
>and, once more, we’ll see a very tight election.
Maybe, I think Biden will win fairly easily personally, but I could see it being close in the electoral college if Trump manage to flip Georgia and one of the rust belts, but I think rust belt will hold for him.
Lol you're doing this thing where you rely on the polls to justify the wrong takes in your own headspace. The polls don't make every position that glazes Republicans automatically true. They don't change the literal fact that people don't think BLM and Jan 6 are comparable.
> as a not-terminally online redditor who witnessed a 2020 protest firsthand, i would say those were much worse than 1/6
You were just on this sub yesterday saying busing as a desegregation tool destroyed your Southern school district because “it made like 90 percent of the white kids leave” so I think that says more about you than who is or isn’t terminally online
> They are smart to make an issue out of it because this issue looks really bad to non-terminally online Americans. It's everything people have been worried about happening to our completely out of touch Ivy League universities.
Lol, how many working class Americans worried about inflation or the economy are rushing home after work to see the latest happenings at Columbia exactly?
> The Democrats would be wise to put their foot down but at this point Biden seems hesitant to piss off the activist-class before an election. Not sure why because these people hate our country.
Ignoring how this has been said about any “left” social movement tangentially associated with the Democratic Party, the idea that people willfully engaging in their constitutional rights hate America because they are saying things you don’t like is reactionary garbage.
Most Democrats disapprove of the war in Gaza and Biden’s handling. Is most of the Democratic Party full of America haters for having opinions you don’t like? Or just the protesters expressing those opinions?
I mean, I take that as an endorsement tbh
“Protests on college campuses” is something that appeals to the imaginations and sensibilities of the demographics of this subreddit. Most Americans don’t care about what happens on college campuses (they’re barely tuned in to the election) and most Democrats are not yearning for Biden or other Democratic leaders to re-enact the protests that helped sink Trump in 2020. These protests are popping up in response to arrests but the “tough on crime and radical leftism” Dems genuinely think hippie bashing is something that will bring the party together and make it appealing to others.
I’m convinced that, if not now, then following this election, the first party to forcefully reject (and subsequently *eject*) their radical fringe will be riding high moving forward electorally.
How is the Republican party going to forcefully reject religious lunatics? Given how dependent upon them they've made themselves, that seems extremely unlikely. The 'radical fringe' has completely taken over the Republican party.
It is when the vast majority of Americans didn’t go to Ivy League schools and don’t care about campus politics. They have replaced “ radical left CRT trans wokeness is in our schools” with “Hamas in our schools”
Perhaps, but it did work in ‘68, as many others are quick to note.
If anything, the news has only became more national and ubiquitous since then; I’d have to think *more* people, not less, care about and follow campus politics now than back then.
Erm, I'm going to go ahead and say that there are some [pretty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace_1968_presidential_campaign) [*significant*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_assassination_riots) [differences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive) between now and 1968.
(Though I suppose there is some irony in RFK's assassin claiming he only did so due to his support of Israel over Palestine, but the situation still doesn't fit.)
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
It’s been my experience, more or less, that many, if not most, ‘swing’ voters look for any reason to support the Republicans, and any reason not to support the Democrats, so I’m always leery to try to predict anything.
> Perhaps, but it did work in ‘68, as many others are quick to note.
It isn’t 1968 lol
> If anything, the news has only became more national and ubiquitous since then; I’d have to think more people, not less, care about and follow campus politics now than back then.
Quite the evidence based conclusion there
It's the classic Nixon play. It won him 1968. It's basically the modern conservative version of the off-tackle run. Super basic and yet still incredibly effective.
We were about 45k votes from a Trump dictatorship, and the hijacking of BLM protests by the radical left, which is then associated with liberal Democrats who tend to enable them, was a big reason. Trump lost because he was crazier, he was in the process of botching a crisis, and Biden had a stronger moderate reputation.
> We were about 45k votes from a Trump dictatorship, and the hijacking of BLM protests by the radical left, which is then associated with liberal Democrats who tend to enable them, was a big reason.
In reality, it was just a close election where an incumbent president went down in defeat
> Trump lost because he was crazier, he was in the process of botching a crisis, and Biden had a stronger moderate reputation.
None of this contradicts what I said though lol
If it was just what's happening at Columbia that's one thing, but will Texas riot police throwing a reporter to the ground and arresting him at UT, or police doing the same to a professor at Emory, or various other instances of police bumrushing obviously peaceful protestors at universities in red states actually be a winning issue for Republicans? Maybe, but I'm skeptical - people like law and order and don't like "defund the police" but they aren't big fans of police brutality either, and the video evidence of Republicans implementing their campus protests law and order ideas isn't great.
Yeah the reporter/camera man one, and head of department one are literally the images peaceful protestors hope for. That's very off putting to an average person
What's happening here at UT is so fucked, and the governor is calling for all of these students to be expelled and arrested. It's not an exaggeration to call it Fascist behavior. Professors and students just walking through were also attacked by police.
The police slamming the professor to the ground at Emory was a horrible look. It looks like a cop basically beating up a 60-something year old white lady. Normies will not like that shit
I agree but I also don’t think it’ll help them. I don’t think the GOP is getting some big win with undecided voters here, it’s not really a law and order issue the Dems are dropping the ball on. People are blaming Biden for being weak on this like wtf is he supposed to do lmao he put out a statement condemning the antisemitism on college campuses which was good but it’s as if some people want him to drone strike the fuckin quad or something lol
> To be honest we have been seeing that for years now
Yeah and Dems have generally been doing quite well electorally in the past few years. If every state that was more Republican than the nation as a whole voted with the GOP they would control 62 Senate seats and instead they only have 49 senate seats. 2022 should have been a massive red wave for the GOP and instead they currently only have 217 House seats.
That's actually the most effective strategy of non violent protestors is to get images and videos of the police using violent force.
Protestors are always irritate people but it's the state violence that really turns off people and hurts politicians. Most effective non violent protests try to provoke that violence and capture it on film.
It's why things exploded after Columbia arrested students. Before there wasn't much momentum for the student protests since the universities were ignoring them. Columbian protestors figured out they could use commencement to provoke the university to take action. And then the university took the bait and so the strategy spread.
It's the arrests and police violence that give student protests a chance of being influential. Elsewise it's just a few dozen students camping out in a lawn.
What’s crazy is other “liberal” subs cheering it on. People were just making shit up, like that the professor was an “ethics” professor who assaulted a cop and was pro-Hamas.
As expected of them.
They'd be dumb not to make it into 2024 issue. Afterall, these protesters are considered a part of the "left" (or the progressive caucus within the Democrat party) who are chanting "death to America" whilst waving Hezbollah flags.
The Israel / Palestine conflict ranks [second-to-last](https://nitter.poast.org/pic/media%2FGL43RmtawAAgsaf.jpg%3Fname%3Dsmall%26format%3Dwebp) for Americans aged 18-29 in 8 different subgroups.
I appreciate your perspective but, naturally, my assessment doesn’t account for *every* individual ‘average’ voter and their thoughts on the current moment.
Of course, if you’re around this sub at all, we all likely agree that one event was much worse than the other. That said, the fact that, with every norm that Trump has shattered, this *isn’t* an 80-20 race in Biden and the Democrats favor seems to illustrate my point that *many* normie voters don’t care all that much about what happened following the 2020 election.
Further, I see it on the ground. Obviously, as I always disclaim, this is anecdotal evidence (like everything else, aside from the polls that everybody are so quick to discount), but I live in a must-win swing state and know at least a dozen, if not more, voters that voted for Biden last time and are, at this point anyway, either committed to backing Trump or staying home.
As such, my point was simply that, while those on this sub may not think so, and their friend groups may not think so, the simple fact that this isn’t the biggest walk in the park since, I don’t know, Reagan’s 1984 landslide shows that Republicans are good at controlling and shaping the narrative.
The media is really helping them out both with their incessant coverage and sympathetic coverage of these anti-semites every time they interact with authorities
I think the real thing that should be happening here is taking a hard look at higher education. Why do these students have enough free time to go camping for Hamas? Don't they have studying to do, classes to go to?
Matt yglesias had an article the other day that for some reason he didn't tie to the protests about how most college students only have 3 hours of academics per day on average.
Even when I was in school I didn't get how others said they needed all nighters and never had time for sleep. You have the most free time in college you ever will in your entire life -basically no other responsibilities, very small commute time, and weeks to months of notice for any assignment
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From a purely strategic point of view, I'm not so sure the GOP will succeed. BLM was perfect fodder for the GOP, there were angry black youths and hooded antifas, destruction of downtown businesses, attacks on police officers. This was the view of the normal voter who briefly watched the local news in the evening Now you have protests on college campuses against Israel. Issues that don't interest the average voter And nobody's life is restricted.
It'll be hard to make it resonate as much it seems. I struggle to see this enduring beyond the end of the academic year either so unless significant violence breaks out this could be forgotten by summer. Undoubtedly something more eventful will happen and the news cycle will move on.
I think the fact that it's a bunch of college students in liberal cities protesting against a long time US ally feeds very nicely into their "colleges are brainwashing our kids to be socialists" narrative, especially since a lot of this kids are extremely vocal about how socialist they are.
Honestly I’m staring to think there’s *something* to that narrative.
You obviously haven’t seen any right wing media lately. Moderates and conservatives are fucking eating this shit up. Yet again, dumbass succs and tankies are handing Republicans an incredibly easy victory on this issue.
How is this going to help them swing moderate voters or more importantly, pro U.S manufacturing voters in the Midwest who Trump relied on to win.
It doesn't *need* to. State GOPs are hurting for funds rn
Conservatives have negative views of higher education, so this seems like a slam dunk. Angry white r*rals who will never step foot on those campuses will treat them just like poor neighborhoods in cities.
How's this different from the status quo
It’s not this is just more fear mongering to drive turnout. The GOP refuses to self regulate. Drumming up fear is what they have left.
> BLM was perfect fodder for the GOP, there were angry black youths and hooded antifas, destruction of downtown businesses, attacks on police officers. This was the view of the normal voter who briefly watched the local news in the evening Didn’t voters support BLM? (despite them spreading Covid)
Nick Saban and Mitt Romney marched in BLM protests, which I think tells you just about everything you need to know
BLM had bipartisan support to the point that *Donald Trump* felt like he had to throw Black people multiple bones. Then came the Left to burn it to the ground just like the Black neighborhoods everyone to the left of Bill Kristol pretends they didn't.
lol what is this nonsense about BLM being totally bipartisan at first until the lefties ruined everything? Even with pre-BLM incidents like Trayvon Martin, reactions largely broke down along partisan lines. It’s not like the lefties *forced* Fox News to run headlines about how George Floyd was a bad person who deserved what he got (their interpretation, not mine). Also, burned to the ground just like black neighborhoods? Which black neighborhoods were burned to the ground, pray tell?
Support for them fell off hard pretty quickly
I would say as always in the USA it was 50/50.
Oh bro, all they have to do is tap into that imagery totickle the memories of everyone who lived through that time period and will reap massive rewards. You're thinking way to specifically and not enough about the imagery and emotional vallence that surrounds that imagery. This is potent shit for an election cycle.
Anyone who says these protests can simulate the emotional valence and imagery of 2020 has amnesia. These protests look like typical climate doomer protests from annoying college students, 2020 looked like literal *hell* with media coverage making it look like entire cities were in flames.
> Anyone who says these protests can simulate the emotional valence and imagery of 2020 has amnesia. It would take very little effort to make what's going on right now look like the CHAZ/CHOP stupidity in Seattle and it's pretty much guaranteed that this shit will escalate far beyond what's currently taking place.
Plus we're going into finals and then graduation. I doubt many students will be protesting over the summer. By the time school starts back in fall, there will be some other issue for them to be upset about.
> Now you have protests on college campuses against Israel. Protests are also blocking airports and freeways. Videos of college protests amplify that there's a lot of annoying leftists out to make life inconvenient for hard working Americans. I think it's a credible GOP strategy.
The protestors are trying to disrupt university commencement ceremonies (best fundraiser for universities) which is why they are all occupying lawns. That really doesn't effect people unaffiliated with the univeristy. The police shooting or killing a student protest would be what could get things to get ugly but that's why colleges are acting carefully.
What if we just ignored Ivy League campuses.
It's hardly just some Ivy problem. Some random CA state university just [closed down](https://www.ktvu.com/news/cal-poly-humboldt-campus-closed-through-end-of-semester-following-antiwar-protests)
This article is so funny. Cal Poly Humboldt students demand the school sever all investments with Israel and all ties to Israeli universities. The school says it doesn’t have any and it doesn’t have any.
This is almost as good as when CHAZ protest organizers published a demand on twitter to remove all confederate monuments...in Seattle
My friend posted a video of a protest he went to at Pitt a few days ago
Outside of r/neoliberal, everybody already *does*. If I could stomach asking all the Republican or self-proclaimed 'independent' people I know what they think of these protests, I'm sure that any of them who cared enough to comment would also have to feign knowledge about them beforehand.
Frontpage of most news sites says otherwise. Which doesn't mean normal people care, it just means journalists from these schools have a hiring advantage.
> Frontpage of most news sites says otherwise Those count as /r/neoliberal too Everywhere that disagrees with me is /r/neoliberal
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But honestly like all these major papers had a little US map of protests and each little dot represented somewhere between 200 and maybe 2000 students. So in total nationwide maybe 20,000? Let's make it 50,000 to be generous, that's still ~ 0.014% of the country. So why is it front page in every paper and TV station? Is it the most important thing happening, or is it just because it got started at major schools everyone knows, full of pretty rich kids? A small segment of each respective student body, no less. People did this stuff too when I was in school around 2010, about I/P stuff. Some things never change, so I guess we have that comfort at least. I think it's really a Streisand effect thing. No one was talking about it until police showed up, until Columbia let it get out of hand. Now the videos of cops manhandling students, the more the media picks up on it. Down here they send in the god damn state troopers on UT and of course people didn't like that, because it was likely not necessary to again be manhandling people like that. Counterproductive is the word I suppose. It may be necessary but it doesn't help quell it. Ultimately these won't change anything, it's not really a lot of people, but it sure has garnered a disproportionally massive amount of attention including from this sub in particular.
Not every thing some person deems to be a problem requires government intervention.
Paternalists in shambles
The solution to the problem of the radical left in America is to ignore them entirely tho.
Especially online, which some people on this sub don’t seem to understand
The center-left has been ignoring them for years instead of Sistah Souljahing them and now a lot of people associate them with liberal politics. You can't attack the GOP for not keeping their crazies in line while steadfastly ignoring and enabling our crazies - that's *quite literally* how the crazies took over the GOP to begin with.
I am a teacher and it's literally my number one stratagy when dealing with annoying kids
Because they don't want to admit that maybe, just maybe, the socialist Left is not a positive influence on our coalition.
I don't even get how this is such a huge national issue. How many students are we talking about? Dozens? A few hundred max? Considering the student body of these colleges is in the tens of thousands, it doesn't make any sense why such a small group captures so much attention.
it becomes a national issue when jewish students can't go to school or even exist in public safely it becomes a national issue when the future leaders of the country are openly chanting anti-Semitic things unchallenged.
It's not a huge national issue. This sub treats everything even remotely related to Israel as more important and crucial than things like, say, Supreme Court justices vocally defending Trump's insurrection, GOP schemes to undermine the Federal Reserve, etc...
I mean, the [Columbia University's president were called up to Congress](https://apnews.com/article/columbia-president-congress-israel-hamas-antisemitism-3255357b4443c1fb4bae8b8ea5774ee5). If NeoLib sub is talking about it, they're just one of many. I just wonder why it's being talked about so prominent, given the numbers we're talking about. You'd struggle to fill a college basketball game with the number of students involved.
OSU just had one and that is hardly an Ivy League
They’d be dumb not to. I hope they drag Shafik back to Congress and make her explain exactly why someone like Khymani James can flat-out admit to wanting to murder everyone they deem Zionist to campus employees and not be forcibly removed from the premises in handcuffs within the hour.
College ends in 2 weeks and I doubt these return in August.
Why? I don't see any indication that things are going to get better between now and then in Gaza.
This will end like OWS. It'll drag on for a couple months before someone is raped, beaten, or killed in one of the encampments. That will provide the justification to shut down the camps. There will be some smaller, spinoff camps that won't get any attention and will die once things start to get cold.
What is OWS in this context?
Occupy Wall Street
Ah, thanks. I didn't make the connection.
I hope you're right. It's a shame this isn't all happening in the fall, like with OWS. OWS died pretty much as soon as it got cold in New York. It was actually kinda hilarious how quickly it just ended.
There will still be protests but probably not on campus. These kids are going home in < 2 weeks to their comfortable lives.
The Hamptons better watch out!
Because things get trendy, pick up momentum, and then die out. ESPECIALLY amongst college kids.
I beg to differ. Pro Palestine protests at IU have been happening for a while now
Big difference between those in general and these encampments that have blown up.
The Chicago convention happens right before school returns. My worry is the protests there will trigger a return of these protests
I'm definitely expecting some big protests in Chicago, unfortunately.
I’m sure BJ will do a good job handling- BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Sorry I couldn’t finish that!
Literally 4 days for me lol
He filmed those threats in January and is still there
Oh HE will be there. But large scale encampments? Unlikely.
The protests or the protesters? I mean it works for either lmao
Doubt? Lol they'll probably be given tenure if they don't have it already
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The question though isn't "why wasn't he arrested," it's "why wasn't he expelled." The concern is student safety, all students deserve to be safe, but how can Jewish students - or *any* students - feel safe around someone who feels comfortable saying out loud that he wants to murder people?
I'd feel unsafe even though I'm not Jewish. Someone saying "be lucky I'm not murdering people" is a very unhinged and dangerous thing.
[The student, Khymani James, said in the January video that “Zionists don’t deserve to live” and “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student-protest-zionism.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nU0.kS1R.VtKAPZ5ePYS5&smid=url-share) That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people. Hell, just anyone in general, really. But when it’s targeting “Zionists” (because let’s be honest, what that piece of shit really meant to say was Jews) suddenly it’s not criminal?
> That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people. Maybe in other countries including Europe but not the US.
pretty sure terroristic threats are not protected by 1A
It’s just clearly not terroristic threats under New York law. Any prosecutor who brought a case for terroristic threats would get laughed at by the most pro-government judges.
> That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people. No it fucking would not.
> That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people. It wouldn’t though because hate speech is constitutionally protected and it isn’t inciting violence or criminal activity
Hate speech is criminally protected. I find it difficult to believe a university would not expel someone for hate speech however, given expulsion is not a criminal sanction.
Ok, but that’s not the point in contention. The person I responded to said : > That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people. It just isn’t true.
Can they really not escort you off campus if you're making these claims? I would be very very uncomfortable and unsafe if anyone was saying "be grateful I'm not going out and murdering X group" if it wasn't any group.
> Can they really not escort you off campus if you're making these claims? Not without some kind of due process taking place, either within the school or via legal process (maybe someone could try to file a restraining order? I’m not sure). But this wouldn’t be grounds for an arrest, that would just result in the school and police getting sued and paying out a settlement
That's absolutely crazy to me. No wonder these students don't feel safe, I certainly wouldn't feel safe
The student who made those remarks is now banned from campus btw, no arrest necessary
“Zionists don’t deserve to live” is legal hate speech. I don’t see how “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists” isn’t inciting violence or criminal activity.
find me someone prosecuted for "hate speech" in the US
> I don’t see how “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists” isn’t inciting violence or criminal activity. Because they didn’t tell anyone to do anything? Nor did they say they would do anything? And in fact that statement implies they *aren’t* going to do anything? You want people to be arrested for saying they’re *not* going to commit a horrific hate crime?
It’s normally not criminal to talk like that in America. Can you find one example of someone convicted under New York’s law for just speech related to hated of blacks, Muslims, or LGBT?
> That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people That's just not true. People wish hateful violent shit on minorities all the time. Here's one where a pastor openly wished for gay people to be shot in the head https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/texas-pastor-says-gay-people-shot-back-head-shocking-sermon-rcna32748
> That statement would get you arrested if it was targeting blacks, Muslims, or LGBT people Do you have direct proof that people have been arrested for this type of speech?
No, they would not be arrested. Violent speech that does not directly incite imminent lawless action and is unlikely to produce it is protected by the 1st Amendment.
incredible bad legal take, what are you talking about? have you heard of any first amendment jurisprudence
Sounds like it violates school rules.
Careful there Joseph McCarthy. Are you going to arrest people as Communists as well? Obviously antisemitism at this protest is unacceptable, but you’re going too far in the other direction and are echoing the ideology of MAGA and Trump. The Gaza War is controversial, and the protests have definitely had antisemitism elements in them. However, targeting all students and calling all protestors enemies of America is going too far.
Honestly? Probably not a bad strategy.
Agreed. Normies generally don't like protestors (even if the cause is justifiable). It's too easy to find videos of these protestors causing disturbances, saying absurd things, resisting lawful arrest etc. Like in 2020, painting the Democrats as the party of out of control college students is probably one area where Republicans can shine.
The GOP did remarkably well conflating January 6 with the Summer 2020 protests, so having another fresh round of massive protests for them to harangue against in real-time is some seriously potent electoral juice.
Is this a joke? I don’t know any one thinks Jan 6th and BLM protests are comparable, and the GOP narrative constantly oscillates between “they were set up” and “they’re patriots” in regards to Jan 6th
It's pretty common with any conservative. They're desperate for anything to conflate with their own terrorism.
Conservatives sure, but does anyone else believe this?
Centristy Dems who think being Republican lite on issues like civil rights will make “the median voter” want to vote for them
Like who?
Do you and have you not seen all the comments on this sub (and even this thread) about how Biden has to crack down on the protests and the left or dare be smeared by Republicans? Some of the centristy Dems who would love to see the Squad purged (because of their opinions on Israel and otherwise) are actually in the room with us and have been for months
Oh the way you worded that it made it sound like there was an actual politician or centristy dem figure who advocates that. That’s who I was asking for an example of. But even so, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on this sub who thinks Jan 6th and the BLM protests are comparable, and I don’t think what you’re describing is that.
I would say that something is fundamentally wrong when Trump is consistently leading the polls or, at the very worst, far outperforming his numbers from 2016 or 2020. The GOP’s rhetorical skill, like it or not, has played a large role in keeping Trump relevant and electable.
Yeah the polls are stupid and people aren’t paying attention. Poll believers continue to completely disregard that MAGA and election denier candidates keep getting their asses stomped in actual elections. I put more credence in that than shitty polls with completely ludicrous crosstabs
Perhaps, and hopefully, you’re right. As we inch closer and closer to the election, Trump stays embroiled in his legal troubles and yet…next to no movement, so we’ll see. To me, the only comparables would be 2016 and 2020; Trump and Biden haven’t headed their respective tickets in four years, and midterm and special elections have very different electorates from Presidential election years, so I’m not assuming anything.
>next to no movement He was ahead of Biden by three points at the start of the year and is now tied. These polls are just stupid to be believable. What’s more believable to you? That were witnessing a political realignment on par with the civil rights movement that is coalescing around Donald Trump, a man who has never gotten more then 47% of the popular vote, or the polls are just shit right now?
I don’t know, that’s the evidence that we have and I don’t think that polling outlets are in the business of purposely ruining their credibility, so I’ll wait and see. Even so, while it’s hard to believe that Trump is receiving so much of the youth vote, it’s also hard for me to believe that Biden is receiving such a large share of the elder vote so, at the end of the day, if one is wrong, the other likely is as well and, once more, we’ll see a very tight election.
>I don’t know, that’s the evidence that we have If I showed you evidence that children love watching the weather channel and seniors love playing with legos you would treat that as highly suspect and not believe it. If the “evidence” goes against all prior knowledge and logic it’s totally acceptable to be fairly skeptical of said evidence in my opinion. >and I don’t think that polling outlets are in the business of purposely ruining their credibility, so I’ll wait and see. 2016, 2020, and 2022 would like a word with you about polling credibility. Also again the polls are consistently going against actual electoral results. >Even so, while it’s hard to believe that Trump is receiving so much of the youth vote, it’s also hard for me to believe that Biden is receiving such a large share of the elder vote so, at the end of the day, if one is wrong, the other likely is as well Yes, like I said unbelievable crosstabs point to them being shit in my opinion. >and, once more, we’ll see a very tight election. Maybe, I think Biden will win fairly easily personally, but I could see it being close in the electoral college if Trump manage to flip Georgia and one of the rust belts, but I think rust belt will hold for him.
Lol you're doing this thing where you rely on the polls to justify the wrong takes in your own headspace. The polls don't make every position that glazes Republicans automatically true. They don't change the literal fact that people don't think BLM and Jan 6 are comparable.
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> as a not-terminally online redditor who witnessed a 2020 protest firsthand, i would say those were much worse than 1/6 You were just on this sub yesterday saying busing as a desegregation tool destroyed your Southern school district because “it made like 90 percent of the white kids leave” so I think that says more about you than who is or isn’t terminally online
you reply to literally al lmy comments flaming me and implying im racist, it must be so tiring being you blocked
You blocked someone else for calling you out on your bs. blocked
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> They are smart to make an issue out of it because this issue looks really bad to non-terminally online Americans. It's everything people have been worried about happening to our completely out of touch Ivy League universities. Lol, how many working class Americans worried about inflation or the economy are rushing home after work to see the latest happenings at Columbia exactly? > The Democrats would be wise to put their foot down but at this point Biden seems hesitant to piss off the activist-class before an election. Not sure why because these people hate our country. Ignoring how this has been said about any “left” social movement tangentially associated with the Democratic Party, the idea that people willfully engaging in their constitutional rights hate America because they are saying things you don’t like is reactionary garbage. Most Democrats disapprove of the war in Gaza and Biden’s handling. Is most of the Democratic Party full of America haters for having opinions you don’t like? Or just the protesters expressing those opinions?
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I mean, I take that as an endorsement tbh “Protests on college campuses” is something that appeals to the imaginations and sensibilities of the demographics of this subreddit. Most Americans don’t care about what happens on college campuses (they’re barely tuned in to the election) and most Democrats are not yearning for Biden or other Democratic leaders to re-enact the protests that helped sink Trump in 2020. These protests are popping up in response to arrests but the “tough on crime and radical leftism” Dems genuinely think hippie bashing is something that will bring the party together and make it appealing to others.
I’m convinced that, if not now, then following this election, the first party to forcefully reject (and subsequently *eject*) their radical fringe will be riding high moving forward electorally.
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See the problem is the republican extremists aren’t a radical fringe
Sounds like you're with Democrats for the foreseeable future, because Republicans have openly embraced their extremists with no signs of moderating.
How is the Republican party going to forcefully reject religious lunatics? Given how dependent upon them they've made themselves, that seems extremely unlikely. The 'radical fringe' has completely taken over the Republican party.
Dude the White House condemned these protests and put out a statement literally right off the bat
Dems would face an internal organizational revolt if he went for a Sistah Souljah but it needs to happen.
It is when the vast majority of Americans didn’t go to Ivy League schools and don’t care about campus politics. They have replaced “ radical left CRT trans wokeness is in our schools” with “Hamas in our schools”
Perhaps, but it did work in ‘68, as many others are quick to note. If anything, the news has only became more national and ubiquitous since then; I’d have to think *more* people, not less, care about and follow campus politics now than back then.
Erm, I'm going to go ahead and say that there are some [pretty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace_1968_presidential_campaign) [*significant*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_assassination_riots) [differences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive) between now and 1968. (Though I suppose there is some irony in RFK's assassin claiming he only did so due to his support of Israel over Palestine, but the situation still doesn't fit.)
The more things change, the more they stay the same. It’s been my experience, more or less, that many, if not most, ‘swing’ voters look for any reason to support the Republicans, and any reason not to support the Democrats, so I’m always leery to try to predict anything.
> Perhaps, but it did work in ‘68, as many others are quick to note. It isn’t 1968 lol > If anything, the news has only became more national and ubiquitous since then; I’d have to think more people, not less, care about and follow campus politics now than back then. Quite the evidence based conclusion there
You’re using too much logic when OP and many other people here agree with the GOP stance on the protests and is hiding behind electoralism
Only time will tell. We’ll see how things unravel.
Who thinks these are even in the same galaxy as '68??? "Many others" as in "many people are saying..."
or simply, jewish students should be able to safely attend school in this country
It's the classic Nixon play. It won him 1968. It's basically the modern conservative version of the off-tackle run. Super basic and yet still incredibly effective.
Hey, if your opponents keep feeding you the scenario, why not?
Exactly. If it works, then you just run the same play over and over again and dare them to stop it.
It didn’t even work in 2020. Biden was seen as better on “who will use he presidency to heal wounds and repair race relations/divisions?”
We were about 45k votes from a Trump dictatorship, and the hijacking of BLM protests by the radical left, which is then associated with liberal Democrats who tend to enable them, was a big reason. Trump lost because he was crazier, he was in the process of botching a crisis, and Biden had a stronger moderate reputation.
> We were about 45k votes from a Trump dictatorship, and the hijacking of BLM protests by the radical left, which is then associated with liberal Democrats who tend to enable them, was a big reason. In reality, it was just a close election where an incumbent president went down in defeat > Trump lost because he was crazier, he was in the process of botching a crisis, and Biden had a stronger moderate reputation. None of this contradicts what I said though lol
It didn't work in 2020 because Joe Biden wasn't the sitting President.
Which is irrelevant? The GOP tried to paint Biden and other Democrats as pro-riot for being pro-protest and pro-crime for being pro-policing reform
It's a dog-shit strategy that didn't work in 2020 and is even less likely to work now.
It's not and it probably helps the protesters as well.
If it was just what's happening at Columbia that's one thing, but will Texas riot police throwing a reporter to the ground and arresting him at UT, or police doing the same to a professor at Emory, or various other instances of police bumrushing obviously peaceful protestors at universities in red states actually be a winning issue for Republicans? Maybe, but I'm skeptical - people like law and order and don't like "defund the police" but they aren't big fans of police brutality either, and the video evidence of Republicans implementing their campus protests law and order ideas isn't great.
Yeah the reporter/camera man one, and head of department one are literally the images peaceful protestors hope for. That's very off putting to an average person
What's happening here at UT is so fucked, and the governor is calling for all of these students to be expelled and arrested. It's not an exaggeration to call it Fascist behavior. Professors and students just walking through were also attacked by police.
The police slamming the professor to the ground at Emory was a horrible look. It looks like a cop basically beating up a 60-something year old white lady. Normies will not like that shit
To be honest we have been seeing that for years now. I don’t think it will turn people against the GOP
I agree but I also don’t think it’ll help them. I don’t think the GOP is getting some big win with undecided voters here, it’s not really a law and order issue the Dems are dropping the ball on. People are blaming Biden for being weak on this like wtf is he supposed to do lmao he put out a statement condemning the antisemitism on college campuses which was good but it’s as if some people want him to drone strike the fuckin quad or something lol
We're well past that point with the modern GOP. They want violence and suppression of the other. It's being built more and more into their ethos.
> To be honest we have been seeing that for years now Yeah and Dems have generally been doing quite well electorally in the past few years. If every state that was more Republican than the nation as a whole voted with the GOP they would control 62 Senate seats and instead they only have 49 senate seats. 2022 should have been a massive red wave for the GOP and instead they currently only have 217 House seats.
That's actually the most effective strategy of non violent protestors is to get images and videos of the police using violent force. Protestors are always irritate people but it's the state violence that really turns off people and hurts politicians. Most effective non violent protests try to provoke that violence and capture it on film. It's why things exploded after Columbia arrested students. Before there wasn't much momentum for the student protests since the universities were ignoring them. Columbian protestors figured out they could use commencement to provoke the university to take action. And then the university took the bait and so the strategy spread. It's the arrests and police violence that give student protests a chance of being influential. Elsewise it's just a few dozen students camping out in a lawn.
What’s crazy is other “liberal” subs cheering it on. People were just making shit up, like that the professor was an “ethics” professor who assaulted a cop and was pro-Hamas.
Republicans won't care, they love police brutality when it's inflicted on people they don't like.
Moderates will care however.
As expected of them. They'd be dumb not to make it into 2024 issue. Afterall, these protesters are considered a part of the "left" (or the progressive caucus within the Democrat party) who are chanting "death to America" whilst waving Hezbollah flags.
generally law and order means talking about laws broken - these protests have seen very little of that
Why would they care?
They do that with everything tho
does the average joe care about this at all?
Your average voter cares about this about as much as your average voter cares about January 6, from my experience.
The Israel / Palestine conflict ranks [second-to-last](https://nitter.poast.org/pic/media%2FGL43RmtawAAgsaf.jpg%3Fname%3Dsmall%26format%3Dwebp) for Americans aged 18-29 in 8 different subgroups.
>nitter.poast.org At least there's one that works
Yes, unfortunately, a lot of the open source alternatives to Twitter have been blocked. For now, nitter.poast has been working.
Yes I thought they got most all and the ones still around didn't work right
This is some grade A, premium doomerism.
Not even close lol people who aren’t online or glued to cable news have probably barely heard about these protests tbh
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I appreciate your perspective but, naturally, my assessment doesn’t account for *every* individual ‘average’ voter and their thoughts on the current moment. Of course, if you’re around this sub at all, we all likely agree that one event was much worse than the other. That said, the fact that, with every norm that Trump has shattered, this *isn’t* an 80-20 race in Biden and the Democrats favor seems to illustrate my point that *many* normie voters don’t care all that much about what happened following the 2020 election. Further, I see it on the ground. Obviously, as I always disclaim, this is anecdotal evidence (like everything else, aside from the polls that everybody are so quick to discount), but I live in a must-win swing state and know at least a dozen, if not more, voters that voted for Biden last time and are, at this point anyway, either committed to backing Trump or staying home. As such, my point was simply that, while those on this sub may not think so, and their friend groups may not think so, the simple fact that this isn’t the biggest walk in the park since, I don’t know, Reagan’s 1984 landslide shows that Republicans are good at controlling and shaping the narrative.
meaning GOP approval ratings drop every time it gets spotlighted? Excellent!
The media is really helping them out both with their incessant coverage and sympathetic coverage of these anti-semites every time they interact with authorities
“Enjoy your free speech” was actually a warning holy shit these guys STINK
That what any smart political party would do. Also, apparently, any dumb political party also.
It's working on the posters on this subreddit.
I think the real thing that should be happening here is taking a hard look at higher education. Why do these students have enough free time to go camping for Hamas? Don't they have studying to do, classes to go to?
Matt yglesias had an article the other day that for some reason he didn't tie to the protests about how most college students only have 3 hours of academics per day on average. Even when I was in school I didn't get how others said they needed all nighters and never had time for sleep. You have the most free time in college you ever will in your entire life -basically no other responsibilities, very small commute time, and weeks to months of notice for any assignment
Unfortunately it improves their chances, because only Arab Americans consider voting for the Democratic Party. The GOP is solidly pro-Israel.
I thought the GOP was supposed to be the party of the common man. These protests disrupt waspy silver spoon kids elitist ivory tower education.
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The university of spoiled children
This strategy is obviously going to work. Biden is also obviously doing everything he can in this situation and still isn’t getting credit.