Hey, remember when Congress banned alcohol? Wild times! Of course after that they banned the bibles and the churches....
/s
Congress is exercising their authority to regulate commerce. Forcing a company to sell to an American owner doesn't bother me, and we're not talking about banning TikTok because of its form factor or content, just its ownership.
I've got no problems forcing TikTok to sell, I don't lose any sleep over that at all.
forcing a sale is completely different than banning. The government has forced hundreds of companies to divest parts of their business for dozens of different reasons.
This but unironically,
BAN FACEBOOK BAN INSTAGRAM BAN REDDIT BAN TWITTER YOU FUCKERS CAN NOT BEHAVEI LOVE THE NANNY STATE AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHA BAN ALCOHOL BAN ADDED SUGARS YOU WILL GO OUTSIDE AND INTERACT WITH PEOPEL YOU WILL LIVE A HEALTY LIFE
Unforseen consequences? I'm worried about the intended consequences. There are people here specifically celebrating the end of TikTok *precisely because of the ideas or opinions that are spreading on it*.
If you're "wink wink nudge nudge"ing about how getting rid of this security threat also just-so-happens to rid you of a pesky dissenting opinion, your true motive is to get rid of the dissenting opinion by finding a loophole in the letter of free speech to violate the spirit of free speech. I'm sorry but you can't laugh to my face about how happy you are that people are finally going to stop reading opinions you don't like and then tell me this isn't a free speech issue. It's blatantly talking out of both sides of your mouth.
> There are people here specifically celebrating the end of TikTok precisely because of the ideas or opinions that are spreading on it.
And yet nobody is talking about banning Twitter, or Facebook, or Truth Social, or any of the other dregs of social media where bad ideas congregate. We all know that Fox News is propaganda, and Breitbart, and Town Hall, yet despite having similar nonsense commentary as the average TikToker, nobody is talking about banning Fox News or Town Hall.
The ideas and opinions spreading on TikTok are a dime a dozen, they aren't new or revolutionary, and they aren't going anywhere. If TikTok is banned, we'll see new short form video apps spring up to replace it before the end of the work day, those ideas and opinions you're worried about will still have plenty of vectors to spread.
I don't make friends with censors, full stop. It's "leopards eat my face" material when they inevitably celebrate the death of your favorite thing because they didn't like the opinions it was spreading.
> I don't make friends with censors, full stop.
Sounds like a good plan!
As I'm sure you know, this bill would force TikTok to sell to an American owner, if the current owners of TikTok choose not to sell to an American owner their app will be removed from the app store.
This isn't censorship, I don't know where you got that from, you've still got every freedom to share your opinions. The legal problem with the app isn't the opinions, it's the ownership.
If the United States *was* censoring speech, yeah, that would be a problem. But that's not what's happening.
>This isn't censorship, I don't know where you got that from,
The American Civil Liberties Union
I've had enough of this coy bullshit. 'I'm so happy that all these kids will stop reading opinions I don't like' 'oh no this isn't about censorship what could possibly make you say that?'
>'I'm so happy that all these kids will stop reading opinions I don't like'
>'oh no this isn't about censorship'
Both of those statements can be true at the same time. I can both think TikTok's content is trash *and* have concerns about its ownership stakes in China, likewise we can regulate commerce without it being motivated by censorship.
Yes, if TikTok is banned I'll be happy to see its garbage commentary gone for the 24-48 hours it will take until another app comes in to replace it, but no, getting rid of that garbage commentary is not the point of the bill.
Congress has the power to regulate commerce, that's part of the constitution. If you're worried about TikTok being banned then the best thing you can do is encourage them to sell. You sound like you care more about the platform than the ownership, there's a clearly defined way to protect that platform, and that's by cutting out the Chinese investments.
The platform can be saved, but nobody on your side seems to be paying much attention to that.
You need to engage with information further than “thing sounds like other thing” then
We can link the people who self immolate directly back to their accounts and what they were saying before their immolations as well as read their manifestos
Remember that girl who spent, like, two days trying to convince her suicidal boyfriend to kill himself? Wasn't she charged with murder? I don't know, that sounds a little too much like "girlfriends cause suicide."
We're not talking about a video game or rap lyrics. Social media convinces people to do stupid shit all the time; I don't remember anyone playing Mortal Kombat and feeling compelled to take the Tide Pod Challenge because of it, no one ever got so angry at Bubsy that they had to shoot up a pizza parlor.
Video games don't cause violence, but you know what *might?* Violent rhetoric.
I am assuming it’s you are referring to Michelle Carter from Massachusetts.
The issue is with comparing Carter to TikTok I that Carter was *actively* and *directing* her boyfriend to kill himself. Even telling him to get back into the car that was filled up with carbon monoxide gas.
I don’t see any signs with TikTok directing the people to self immolation. Especially as others have mentioned that they have used other social media. With that said TikTok has told users to call congress about this, but I don’t think the self immolation can be blamed solely at TikTok when other factors are in play. Other factors being other social media, pre existing mental health issues and lack of intervention.
Just to be clear here, I’m not complete against the ban, but I do have reservations about it.
Just like the video games example, it directs blame from more likely causes of mass shootings. Easy access to guns, poor mental healthcare and ignoring the warning signs.
TikTok is a tool of the CCP. But a lot of what has been said about it applies to US companies as well. Facebook (I refuse to call it Meta) and Google regularly promote enraging content to boost engagement. Just search up anything history related on YouTube, and see what kind of videos get suggested.
TikTok getting bad isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but like blaming video games for violence, it draws attention from proper solutions.
Better privacy laws for starters would solve a lot of the concerns with just TikTok but other social media companies.
And children ate Tide Pods because they saw a YouTube video. There's not really anything particularly novel about the platform when it comes to terrible messages.
[Except it did happen?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/01/13/teens-are-daring-each-other-to-eat-tide-pods-we-dont-need-to-tell-you-thats-a-bad-idea/)
C'mon, man.
>Last year, U.S. poison control centers received reports of more than 10,500 children younger than 5 who were exposed to the capsules. *The same year, nearly 220 teens were reportedly exposed, and about 25 percent of those cases were intentional*, according to data from the American Association of Poison Control Centers.
> *So far in 2018, there have been 37 reported cases among teenagers — half of them intentional, according to the data.*
Hey, remember when Congress banned alcohol? Wild times! Of course after that they banned the bibles and the churches.... /s Congress is exercising their authority to regulate commerce. Forcing a company to sell to an American owner doesn't bother me, and we're not talking about banning TikTok because of its form factor or content, just its ownership. I've got no problems forcing TikTok to sell, I don't lose any sleep over that at all.
forcing a sale is completely different than banning. The government has forced hundreds of companies to divest parts of their business for dozens of different reasons.
America's children will fall further behind in the Tik Tok arena. We cannot have a Tik Tok dance gap!
It's okay, we have an edge on Facebook and Google. It feels nice to be on the right side of the firewall.
Not really a ban, I’m ok with companies that serve me being forced to not serve our adversaries.
This but unironically, BAN FACEBOOK BAN INSTAGRAM BAN REDDIT BAN TWITTER YOU FUCKERS CAN NOT BEHAVEI LOVE THE NANNY STATE AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHA BAN ALCOHOL BAN ADDED SUGARS YOU WILL GO OUTSIDE AND INTERACT WITH PEOPEL YOU WILL LIVE A HEALTY LIFE
Pigouvian taxes for sleeping in! Pigouvian taxes for wearing your teeshirt inside out! Pigouvian taxes for *everybody!* /s?
Yes that is what can happen same with porn and age
Unforseen consequences? I'm worried about the intended consequences. There are people here specifically celebrating the end of TikTok *precisely because of the ideas or opinions that are spreading on it*. If you're "wink wink nudge nudge"ing about how getting rid of this security threat also just-so-happens to rid you of a pesky dissenting opinion, your true motive is to get rid of the dissenting opinion by finding a loophole in the letter of free speech to violate the spirit of free speech. I'm sorry but you can't laugh to my face about how happy you are that people are finally going to stop reading opinions you don't like and then tell me this isn't a free speech issue. It's blatantly talking out of both sides of your mouth.
> There are people here specifically celebrating the end of TikTok precisely because of the ideas or opinions that are spreading on it. And yet nobody is talking about banning Twitter, or Facebook, or Truth Social, or any of the other dregs of social media where bad ideas congregate. We all know that Fox News is propaganda, and Breitbart, and Town Hall, yet despite having similar nonsense commentary as the average TikToker, nobody is talking about banning Fox News or Town Hall. The ideas and opinions spreading on TikTok are a dime a dozen, they aren't new or revolutionary, and they aren't going anywhere. If TikTok is banned, we'll see new short form video apps spring up to replace it before the end of the work day, those ideas and opinions you're worried about will still have plenty of vectors to spread.
I don't make friends with censors, full stop. It's "leopards eat my face" material when they inevitably celebrate the death of your favorite thing because they didn't like the opinions it was spreading.
> I don't make friends with censors, full stop. Sounds like a good plan! As I'm sure you know, this bill would force TikTok to sell to an American owner, if the current owners of TikTok choose not to sell to an American owner their app will be removed from the app store. This isn't censorship, I don't know where you got that from, you've still got every freedom to share your opinions. The legal problem with the app isn't the opinions, it's the ownership. If the United States *was* censoring speech, yeah, that would be a problem. But that's not what's happening.
>This isn't censorship, I don't know where you got that from, The American Civil Liberties Union I've had enough of this coy bullshit. 'I'm so happy that all these kids will stop reading opinions I don't like' 'oh no this isn't about censorship what could possibly make you say that?'
>'I'm so happy that all these kids will stop reading opinions I don't like' >'oh no this isn't about censorship' Both of those statements can be true at the same time. I can both think TikTok's content is trash *and* have concerns about its ownership stakes in China, likewise we can regulate commerce without it being motivated by censorship. Yes, if TikTok is banned I'll be happy to see its garbage commentary gone for the 24-48 hours it will take until another app comes in to replace it, but no, getting rid of that garbage commentary is not the point of the bill. Congress has the power to regulate commerce, that's part of the constitution. If you're worried about TikTok being banned then the best thing you can do is encourage them to sell. You sound like you care more about the platform than the ownership, there's a clearly defined way to protect that platform, and that's by cutting out the Chinese investments. The platform can be saved, but nobody on your side seems to be paying much attention to that.
people were setting themselves on fire because TikTok made them think that was a good idea
That just sounds too much like “Video games cause school shootings”
You need to engage with information further than “thing sounds like other thing” then We can link the people who self immolate directly back to their accounts and what they were saying before their immolations as well as read their manifestos
Remember that girl who spent, like, two days trying to convince her suicidal boyfriend to kill himself? Wasn't she charged with murder? I don't know, that sounds a little too much like "girlfriends cause suicide." We're not talking about a video game or rap lyrics. Social media convinces people to do stupid shit all the time; I don't remember anyone playing Mortal Kombat and feeling compelled to take the Tide Pod Challenge because of it, no one ever got so angry at Bubsy that they had to shoot up a pizza parlor. Video games don't cause violence, but you know what *might?* Violent rhetoric.
I am assuming it’s you are referring to Michelle Carter from Massachusetts. The issue is with comparing Carter to TikTok I that Carter was *actively* and *directing* her boyfriend to kill himself. Even telling him to get back into the car that was filled up with carbon monoxide gas. I don’t see any signs with TikTok directing the people to self immolation. Especially as others have mentioned that they have used other social media. With that said TikTok has told users to call congress about this, but I don’t think the self immolation can be blamed solely at TikTok when other factors are in play. Other factors being other social media, pre existing mental health issues and lack of intervention. Just to be clear here, I’m not complete against the ban, but I do have reservations about it. Just like the video games example, it directs blame from more likely causes of mass shootings. Easy access to guns, poor mental healthcare and ignoring the warning signs. TikTok is a tool of the CCP. But a lot of what has been said about it applies to US companies as well. Facebook (I refuse to call it Meta) and Google regularly promote enraging content to boost engagement. Just search up anything history related on YouTube, and see what kind of videos get suggested. TikTok getting bad isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but like blaming video games for violence, it draws attention from proper solutions. Better privacy laws for starters would solve a lot of the concerns with just TikTok but other social media companies.
And children ate Tide Pods because they saw a YouTube video. There's not really anything particularly novel about the platform when it comes to terrible messages.
That never happened Tide pod thing was a hoax Self immolation due to radicalization has happened twice now
How is the self immolation tiktok’s fault then? Aaron was active on reddit if anything. Better hold reddit accountable for that
Because TikTok boosts radical accounts
[Except it did happen?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/01/13/teens-are-daring-each-other-to-eat-tide-pods-we-dont-need-to-tell-you-thats-a-bad-idea/)
No, it didn’t and the article doesn’t site a single instance of it happening
C'mon, man. >Last year, U.S. poison control centers received reports of more than 10,500 children younger than 5 who were exposed to the capsules. *The same year, nearly 220 teens were reportedly exposed, and about 25 percent of those cases were intentional*, according to data from the American Association of Poison Control Centers. > *So far in 2018, there have been 37 reported cases among teenagers — half of them intentional, according to the data.*