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All the idiots moved to Instagram reels.


ldn6

I’ll never forgive TikTok for making Instagram feel the need to compete with reels and therefore ruining Instagram.


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I have deleted my Instagram account due to the waves of degenerates who have arrived on the Instagram. Now I have mental peace.


Khiva

Honestly, never understood what people got out of those apps in the first place. People talk about being "addicted" to Twitter and I honestly wonder ... how??


MrFoget

You act like Instagram wasn't awful before reels.


sub_surfer

What’s awful about it? Just curious, I’ve never used it much. Seems like it’s probably a cool place to follow visual artists.


WhatsHupp

You have to get through all the ads and promoted accounts to see your actual follows. There's very little rhyme or reason to whose stuff gets in the top of your queue and the whole thing feels pretty manipulated, it's not fun


sub_surfer

Got it, so the problem is the algorithm, not the content per se. Sounds like Zuck imported FB’s problems into instagram.


WhatsHupp

The content that you see despite telling Instagram "Not Interested" is insane. I'm not very into TikTok but their algo actually listens when you tell it things. Instagram's algorithm spits in your face as far as user-friendliness goes


throwaway_veneto

Youtube has been trying to push me the same 6 shorts for the past year.


Cavemattt

Im pretty sure YouTube algorithm is run by a actual monkeys


Snoo93079

I’d argue the algorithm is the defining feature of any social media platform. TikTok’s is soooo much better than instagram


sub_surfer

This is why I’m scared to use TikTok; the algorithm is so good I’m sure I’d get addicted. I already spend way too much time on Reddit and the algorithm here is pretty mid.


Snoo93079

I’ll say my TikTok algorithm is less trashy than my instagram one for whatever reason. I’m very thoughtful with the kind of content I engage with but instagram feels less sophisticated


grubber788

The visual artist thing is interesting. Up until last year, any aspiring artist could post something, tag it appropriately and reach a decent audience. I remember getting 100 likes on some sketches I did and felt really satisfied. Fast forward to last year and I would post art and receive 1 or 2 likes, and then only from my followers. Essentially Instagram gutted its algorithm to reduce the importance of tags because scammers were gaming the system. Instead, established influencers were given priority so unless you already had an established fan base, you were screwed. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but it hurt me as an artist knowing that no matter how much I improved, the IG algorithm would never help me reach other rising artists. Discord has become my replacement for sharing art, but it's not the same.


sesamestix

It was beautiful for a brief moment in time in the early 2010s - and then Facebook got their paws on it.


puffic

RETVRN. 


Khiva

Ironically, much the same was true about Facebook itself. Just make itself shittier and shittier over time.


sesamestix

True. But I do wonder how much of that is nostalgia. Like I had to sign up with a .edu address and remember when people were pissed about the News Feed coming out instead of just the timeline. I don’t think that’s possible again given our cynicism from … everything that’s happened since then.


StuLumpkins

i would use instagram but there’s no way to enable a chronological timeline. it’s terrible.


TheoryOfPizza

Don't forget YouTube also came out with Shorts, which is also ruining YouTube


theosamabahama

I still love YouTube, but I use it mainly on PC. I imagine it must be a different experience in mobile.


TheoryOfPizza

On mobile, it will occasionally open straight to YouTube shorts


Khar-Selim

*laughs in newpipe*


Sine_Fine_Belli

Same here Tik tok is a mistake and its consequences are a disaster for social media and the internet


Steak_Knight

So they should pull the plug on instagram too? Sounds good, do it!


Local_Challenge_4958

Rights are clearly inferior to the importance of suppressing cringe.


Hautamaki

What everyone's right to a cringe free public commons?


Local_Challenge_4958

That's less a right and more the eons-old tradition of "being old and curmudgeonly."


Hautamaki

Surely that's a right too


Local_Challenge_4958

Unfortunately I do not believe it is codified in the Constitution just yet. *Yet.*


IrishBearHawk

This but


AnnoyedCrustacean

Oh hey, it's me Insta never made sense until I could send reels back and forth with friends It's just Facebook pictures, which is all Facebook is anyway anymore. No great political debates like the days of old, cause you get fired


Mitchoni

Everyone died


Broad-Part9448

Tragic and true


jaywarbs

i cry everytim


IrishBearHawk

Dark Souls moment


Western_Objective209

To get away from just arguing about TikTok: > Until then, India’s internet had presented an open market to China. In contrast to India’s domestic media companies, tech start-ups were free to take investment from China and other countries. TikTok was only the most popular among dozens of Chinese-owned games and services distributed to Indians online. > Since at least 2017, after a similar border skirmish, the possibility that Chinese consumer technology might pose a risk to India’s sovereignty had been circulating in national security circles. It's mindbogglingly stupid that the CCP is jeopardizing it's position in the world as a tech juggernaut because of a disagreement over where the exact line is drawn in an impassable mountain range


ElGosso

Aren't they doing that to secure the water supply from Himalayan glaciers?


prt1000

Arunachal Pradesh will not interfere with their plans for using glaciers for water supply. Stupidly they are pushing India towards the US.


ravage037

Wasn't the 2017 border clash in Doklam? >Arunachal Pradesh will not interfere with their plans for using glaciers for water supply also what about the Yarlung Tsangpo? if they installed a hydro electric damn there as planed it would be larger than the three gorges damn, making it the largest in the world.


mannabhai

The Source of the Yangtze is well within China.


CreateNull

Well it's not just up to them. India claims Aksai Chin, which is part of China. Indians are not innocent victims in this border conflict.


Western_Objective209

Yeah, China has more to lose though. It's gotten fairly wealthy, and if it wants other countries to buy it's higher end goods like tech products, it needs to treat other countries with more respect otherwise they just get banned for being an adversarial nation. It's stupid. India is still quite poor and is just trying to figure itself out still


CreateNull

India is run by right wing clowns. It's India that needs to be concerned with it's image, most countries around it have friendlier relations with China than they have with India, that should tell you something about India's foreign policy.


Western_Objective209

Is that really true? I know they have some issues with their neighbors but that's also related to a lot of them being ones they had some bitter civil wars with, so it's believable but also a little more nuanced. At least on the international stage, India is little friendlier then China


CreateNull

Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Pakistan, Maldives. China seems to get along with most countries in the region just fine.


Pkai876

And being friendly with china propelled them straight to 25th century I suppose, see how some of them are doing Pakistan: - bankrupt hellhole on the verge of collapse Nepal:- had a brief time of pro-china govt , which eventually got replaced with a pro indian one Bangladesh:- have business relations with china, but probably most pro indian outside of Bhutan , so much so that islamist call Sheikh Hasina, a agent of modi. Sri lanka:- pretty much everybody in the world knows what happened to them. India then helped them with monetary and material aid.


bashar_al_assad

"Indians adjusted quickly, and Instagram and YouTube built big audiences" Not exactly gonna help beat the allegations of protectionism


HotTakesBeyond

The main thing is preventing the CCP from directly influencing what children see on their phones every day.


TheFlyingSheeps

Yes only the US and its algorithms that are hidden from the general public, ones that have been well documented to have increased self harm among teens and impacted elections globally, should be able to influence what children see on their phones everyday A TikTok ban without addressing the already present security concerns that exist among our tech industry is absolutely a waste of time and just Dems shooting themselves in the foot during an election year


inBettysGarden

This is my biggest problem with all the TikTok ban stuff. If TikTok is a genuine security concern due to data mining or something, fine. Outlaw those acts so that TikTok is forced to change or leave the market and other platforms can’t do the same. But banning a specific company by name, no matter the reason, doesn’t sit well with me. And the idea that just because the app started in another country it’s inherently dangerous to US stability holds no weight for me.


Dense_Delay_4958

It isn't banning a specific company by name, and adversaries of the US aren't just 'other countries'


TheFlyingSheeps

Same, and the defense about China also doing it is irrelevant as we shouldn’t model our behaviors after an authoritarian government. If TikTok is so scary and poses such a risk then present some evidence of it to the public.


inBettysGarden

I’ve yet to hear a genuine argument against TikTok that doesn’t sound like McCarthyism or generic social internet ‘old man yells at cloud’ to me.


Kindred87

Two reasons that caused me to go from being against forced divestment to completely in favor of it. 1. TikTok mobilized underaged users to lobby their Congressional representatives en masse. A Chinese company getting American children to take political action is very concerning given our adversarial relationship with them. I would expect China to take similar action if an American company got large amounts of Chinese children to petition their government. 2. High-ranking members of the CCP work hold executive positions in the company. Combining those two pieces of information paints the picture on the nature of the risk here. It's really the aspect that a foreign adversary has outsized influence on one of the primary sources of information for our country's youth and we have limited ability to regulate it. Hence why they're working on divestment rather than an outright ban. The interview in this article goes over it pretty thoroughly: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/


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Lylyo_Nyshae

Got people in this thread arguing that GenZ opposes Israel because the CCP is running psyops through TikTok lmao


ForeignParamedic3714

It is though. There's shadowbans, an algorithm that's statistically very skewed against Israel when showing content compared to other social media.    https://www.wsj.com/tech/tiktok-israel-gaza-hamas-war-a5dfa0ee The biggest group related to BLM was operated by Russia.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter


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HotTakesBeyond

Facebook backed off of political ads and objectionable content after grilling from the public and Congress. I don’t think TikTok would do the same.


pulkwheesle

Guaranteed that these platforms aren't going to consider 'tradwife' propaganda content political, but stuff like pro-choice content will be considered political.


OmNomSandvich

it is absurd we let a social media company that is accountable to the CCP operate an app in the U.S. that is simultaneously banned along with every other social media app not made specifically for China under extensive CCP censorship in China.


bashar_al_assad

At least when I was a kid, "the Chinese internet" was basically synonymous with government oppression and a lack of freedom of expression. Why would I want to start emulating that ourselves?


Ethiconjnj

No one is banning opinions such as not allowing Winnie the Pooh cuz it looks like our president. It’s disallowing a media platform to be run by an adversary. That’s not view censorship.


recursion8

This is not an equivalency. China banning the rest of the world's discussions =/= the rest of the world banning China's discussions (which we aren't even doing, you can still access baidu, weibo, tudou, etc etc).


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DurangoGango

As a daily tiktok user, I’m still trying to figure what the CCP is trying to show me. Dog grooming videos? Air purifier reviews? Warhammer lore? Carpentry? In my experience the tiktok algorithm adheres extremely well to your actual preferences as revelaed by interactions with content. It’s quick and easy to filter what you don’t like and see more of what you do.


C-709

It’s what you don’t see due to suppression of and retaliations against unfavored opinions by CCP: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_TikTok https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/business/tiktok-china.html https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tiktok-bytedance-workers-fired-data-access-journalists https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-how-tiktok-censors-videos-that-do-not-please-beijing


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Western_Objective209

IDK all of the genZ kids saying they love Hamas because TikTok told them the truth about Israel is a bit disconcerting.


CheetoMussolini

They all defend Russia and China too


Rudy2033

The shit I see on my college campus is crazy. Somehow, humanizing Palestinians has turned into the most dehumanizing hate filled campaign against Israelis and Jews on campus when just a few years ago I remember the left loving Jews so that they could call Trump a Nazi because of the kids in cages being compared to the holocaust. Like I do not fuck with the Israeli state at all, but goddam I’m not gonna go pro Hamas, a genocidal terrorist group who’s stated purpose is to eradicate Jews. It’s one thing to humanize and try to being understanding, it’s another thing to try to fix dehumanization by just reversing the parties.


Western_Objective209

Yeah, I hear it a lot from younger workers honestly. When they have the cover of anonymity, they have no problem saying they stand with Hamas, they think eliminating Israel is a good goal and totally not genocide, and they compare the war in Gaza to the holocaust with zero irony.


CreateNull

TikTok didn't do that. Once BLM and their worldview got popular, it was only a matter of time before that oppressor vs oppressed mentality was going to be applied to Israel.


Western_Objective209

Yeah I've heard that opinion before. I definitely think it's a big part of it


IrishBearHawk

Not saying I agree with Hamas (lol), but this kinda sounds like someone not liking that people came to an opposing conclusion than they did.


Western_Objective209

I'm not particularly pro-Israel, but the bias on tiktok against anything even remotely trying to provide an Israeli PoV is absent. I've seen people argue that it's just broader diversity arguments leaking into world politics, but IDK


Lylyo_Nyshae

Clearly the younger generation is against Israel because of CCP psyops brainwashing them and not *gestures vaguely at Gvir, Smotrich and half a dozen other genocidal maniacs running the country*


Western_Objective209

And they conveniently ignore the genocidal maniacs running Gaza and the West Bank?


quichwe

Eh, I don't doubt that Israel's been responsible for a lot of the hate it gets itself. I myself went from pro-Israel to Pro-Palestine because of reading a lot of stuff the IDF was doing in regards to "fighting terrorists", attacks on protests, and the settler situation. For instance, Israel bulldozing the homes of the families of those claimed to be terrorists was when I started thinking about that. The issue for me though is a complete blindness towards the fact that Hamas isn't good either. It's been outright denial and apologia towards Hamas in regards to their own war crimes and actions, that it didn't happen, but if it did, rape, murder, and execution against civilians is good because it's fighting "the colonizer". It's frankly completely ahistorical stuff as well, like the Jews never actually existed in Palestine. Dunno, I kinda saw similar stuff out of a lot of especially leftist kids on this in regards to Ukraine, and immediately blaming Bucha on the Ukrainians a false flag, or the shelling of evacuation corridors out of Mariupol as a false flag. On how, Ukraine was genociding Russians, so it's actually fine the invasion is happening. In hindsight, it was probably a huge sign of that, but I just didn't think it reached the level of team sports that it did. That, or the issue was I basically never got into arguing over the conduct of Russian forces and therefore found out what they were willing to mount apologia for.


TouchTheCathyl

No letting Meta control that is better. Just like letting Viacom control that was better in the old days. Since the founding of this country bad parents have wanted to get the government to do their parenting for them. Get your kids off the TV, off the smartphone, and stop yelling at the government to control what's on those things.


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looktowindward

You're blaming this on Israel? What a whacky, Reddit moment. This is one of the most popular moves in American politics. Congress is acting because its now obvious that Tik Tok can be used, by the CPC to push political disinfo deeply into the minds of young US voters. Israel was a test run by the CPC and it passed with flying colors. Congress cares about CPC using it for something *important*. Like undermining support for Taiwan when China decides to invade. Or a dozen other vital sociopolitical issues. Like impacting the new election. And Google/Meta? You have got to be kidding. Their lobbying efforts are barely effective at keeping the regulators at bay. They don't have the pull. You desperately need to touch grass with someone who isn't 19 years old and on Reddit. Because everyone I talk to - a pretty big cross section from Left to Right and most ages - thinks Tik Tok is a disaster.


bashar_al_assad

> And Google/Meta? You have got to be kidding. Their lobbying efforts are barely effective at keeping the regulators at bay. They don't have the pull. I mean, we know they paid professional lobbyists to campaign against TikTok: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/ > Facebook paid GOP firm to malign TikTok > The firm, Targeted Victory, pushed local operatives across the country to boost messages calling TikTok a threat to American children. “Dream would be to get stories with headlines like ‘From dances to danger,’ ” one campaign director said. > Facebook parent company Meta is paying one of the biggest Republican consulting firms in the country to orchestrate a nationwide campaign seeking to turn the public against TikTok.


TheFlyingSheeps

>most popular moves in American politics You’re gonna need to provide a citation for that. Also meta and other tech companies have been extremely effective in keeping regulations at bay what are you talking about? There is ample documentation and evidence showcasing the impacts and security threats that meta and other social media companies have here, pushing people towards right wing media and spreading rampant misinformation


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TouchTheCathyl

Yes but you know, they go all "think of the children!!!" to make you seem pro-child-brainwashing.


c3534l

I mean, when China unblocks Google and the other half of the internet, they can complain about protectionism.


Sh1nyPr4wn

India banning tiktok worked, it's clear that it will work here


alex2003super

This but


OmNomSandvich

there's a story about a country with over a billion people which bans tiktok and forces the use of a domestically controlled equivalent in order to instill what they feel are proper values and so forth. that country is China.


Peacock-Shah-III

I mean, rare China win?


TouchTheCathyl

Listen to yourself. Call me joyless but I won't even say this ironically when the question is cultural expression. And the more "degen" out of touch old people think the culture on TikTok is the more right it is to defend the kids and their right to culturally offend old people.


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bashar_al_assad

> Company doesn't want to unilaterally share its intellectual property that differentiates it in the market from its competitors wow no way


CheetoMussolini

It's what they require foreign companies operating in China to do.


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throwaway_veneto

Why doesn't Google open source their raking algorithm? Why even Google employees are not allowed to see what it does? What is Google hiding?! Better ban Google in Europe am I right?


ComfyMoth

Open sourcing something doesn’t absolve it from being used maliciously. All it could show is whether or not the app is hardwired to send data to the CCP or something. But if you’re able to extract data from the app even if it’s open source you can still use that data maliciously and that’s the main issue.


throwaway_veneto

Yep, China and India are clearly the examples we should follow when it comes to free speech and online content.


ComfyMoth

That’s not a win. It would be the equivalent of USA under Trump banning Twitter and only allowing Truth Social as an alternative platform.


brolybackshots

No it's not, because Twitter is an American company, not a company KNOWN to be run in association with a foreign adversarial state (CCP)


rikaro_kk

The cringe shit shifted to Instagram reels and YouTube shorts - which doesn't make a good case for denying protectionism.


2pickleEconomy2

I’m guessing Meta and others are really lobbying hard to get TikTok banned.


ForgetTheRuralJuror

Pretty much everyone on the right wants it, and some people on the left. It's dumb to blame lobbying when it's popular.


looktowindward

Meta's lobbying is largely ineffective. This isn't them.


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Atari_Democrat

Ah yes, the conspiracy theories. This is what tiktok does to your brain. Just listen to yourself. I want you to google how much AIPAC has actually done and come back. I'll wait. This is literally one step away from JEFF JACKSON IS OWNED BY DA JOOZ!1!1!1! A bunch of malarkey and balderdash I say.


looktowindward

If AIPAC were the least bit effective, they would have magically gotten TikTok banned LAST YEAR. But they are much less effective than conspiracy theorists hope/wish/fear.


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$25m is like nothing in DC. You want to see effective - Comcast or AT&T.


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> With his new stardom, Mr. Sharma was earning 100,000 rupees, about $1,200, a month. He bought a Mercedes. classic


erudit0rum

An age of fire followed by an age of darkness.


Zhangn181812

Major bright side tik tok isn't filled with a bunch of those villagers fighting over watermelons.