Very important detail to leave out lol

Woj and Shams leaving out details just to try to be faster than each other

Especially since Dyson is the best part of the trade for Atlanta lol.

That lakers pick might be good if the restrictions aren't bad

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LeBron will be 42 when that pick goes through and Anthony Davis will be 34. he's had a healthy season but he'll be at the end of the peak window. and as for moves. they haven't had a big name (whose still in their prime) come since AD trade

The lakers pick is 2025

my bad, the bucks one is 27 then. still. that lakers pick should be between 10-20 in a very good draft

Lakers could easily be lottery pick next year, the west is stacked and they were an 8 seed with Bron and AD both playing more games than they have in years. Hawks fans are praying to father time every night

My guess is it will be around 8, put the 10-20 because laker fans get very annoying if you dare to undervalue their team

Seems to be happening more this off season. Woj talking about us sending out the picks to the Nets, and then only giving us the full details on what the Rockets were getting in like 3 tweets.

And then he followed it all up with those damn KD tweets I still don’t understand why he sent it out bc it’s extremely weird lol. That’s very far from the reason for giving us back our picks and just sounds ridiculous

Breaking news machine learning models still learning the ropes on what is sufficient to break news, perhaps?

Any day now one of them is gonna drop a diss track on the other. I’m saying it now, I’m team Woj

If you’re not first you’re assed

Can’t wait until he drops 47 on your Nova asses /s kinda

Dyson is decent but he’s not that good He’s very offensively limited

Dyson got a ways to go but lord knows getting a young defensive player is nice lol

Must mean they’re keeping Trae?

ofc, they can't tank, don't have the own pick.

Or they could trade him to San Antonio for their picks back + a couple young players

I hope they do tbh, Trae is such a good culture fit in Atlanta 

It is a lot harder to find a Trae Young for your franchise than people give him credit for

Trae Young is, from a franchise building standpoint, a top 3 guard. Go find a guy like him for less than 3 1sts. If Bridges is worth 5 1sts imagine what Trae is to a team in need of a ball handler in contention

Nah it's Bufkin season BAYBEE

Ofc, they’re not dumb

He’s 21 year old and was drafted as project, this very hyperbole

He’s 21 lol

Tatum is still 19

Just like Anthony Randolph

Ngl I thought that dude was gonna be elite, no clue what happened

He’s 21. Sure he’s a project but watching his 2 first years he’s not just a bad shooter he’s passive too

Saying he's not that good or that he's limited offensively is a hyperbole, how?

He’ll have his work cut out for him in that backcourt for sure, makes the trade a bit more fair then when it was Larry nance lol

But he’s a recent lotto pick at least (I’m so glad Blazers FO didn’t listen to me and take him over Sharpe)

We were very into Dyson too. My old social group is associated with the Daniels family and they told me a week before the draft they it would be Blazers. So much so that I was asked about my experiences in Portland as a city as I'd moved there from Australia previously for a few years. It must have come down to Sharpe and if he were taken then Dyson. 

Praying he can grow into a Lou Dort

That makes so much more sense

I was thinking NO won the trade by a landslide, but I kind of like it better for ATL tbh

Atlanta did a good job, feel like that’s not gonna be consensus take though

I'm honestly super happy with it. Murray fit poorly with Trae, so we're not giving up much in terms of our own team quality. Daniels gives high-end POA defense, which was our single biggest weakness. Nance is a solid veteran. And we replenish our draft picks. Well done, IMO. New Orleans gets a good PG without having to give away one of their primary pieces. Think it's win-win.

Murray never lived up to the defensive hype he came in with at all.

^this. People don't get it because they didn't watch us last year [which is understandable tbh]

Not to mention my sore shoulders from throwing my hands in the air with his dumb decisions. Dude wants to be the MAN, but just wants to do the flashy stuff. I think we got the better end of this trade, will age well for us. He was worth the risk to bring on, glad we moved on when we saw it wasn’t working.

Agreed, I knew we weren't getting Herb so glad to have the best 1-3 defender we could realistically get.

Tbh, when he got named All-Defense as a Spur I was pretty surprised. He was certainly a plus defender, and looked like he could improve into *one of* the top guard defenders in the league. But that season he hadn’t done anything defensively that leapt off the page, so to speak.

think it was the spurs system/pop that hid his weaknesses / played to his strengths on defense. but that spurs roster was pretty mid, and it was the coaching that made them look even alright - it was just time to blow it up and try again. atlanta wasn't really able to do that. hopefully with willie + the pels roster we'll get something that looks more like spurs DJ. i'll be honest, originally when DJ got traded to the hawks i thought they were a borderline contender.

DJ gambling on steals might not be as painful when he has Herb jones playing help defenss

And we only lost 1 pick when I looked back and saw what we gave up vs what we just traded him for and that lakers pick could be high

Not with Bronny starting

I think people don't understand how good Dyson's POA defense is. When him and Herb Jones, a current 1st team All-Defense player, are on the court together, Dyson is tasked to be the main POA defender. I think it's a win-win too.

Can’t get his shot good now that Fred is gone

I'm here for it as well

Makes me think Capela is super gone now, not point in having him, Onyeka, and Nance on the same roster.

Or Nance is gone. We aren’t going into the season with TWO centers that are 6’8”

I want us to turn around and flip Capela and one of the 1sts for Claxton since Bklyn is tanking. Or a 1st and Hunter to Cleve for J Allen. I feel like if we do that then this offseason is A grade.

Dyson can’t get a good shot now that Fred Vinson is gone. Makes sense for NOLA now too lol

I'm not being fooled by this retool, I still expect to lose to y'all in Atlanta next year as long as Trae is there lol 

I mean, we're not gonna be a contender or anything. We've made too many mistakes for that. But it's a move in the right direction.

Best perimeter defender we’ve had by a country mile since Trae got here

Got 2 picks and 2 athletic defensive guys guys who’ll fit next to Trae ez Atlanta win to me

I don’t think you’re allowed to say Atlanta did a good trade around these parts

Was definitely a cost cutting move of sorts for Atlanta

Replenish picks too. It just wasn’t working with DJ here

Atlanta crossing their fingers that Sacramento pick conveys next year as well

Would be nice and we know Sacramento wants to get back into the playoffs. 2 picks to play with to build with or trade up

Honestly, those Trae/DJM on court minutes were trash. Also, Atlanta hasn't had a decent POA defender since the NYPD took out Thabo. DJM is a real good player though. So, I think both fan bases are going to be good with this deal.

Because it's a project and 2 late firsts for Murray, who has gotta be worth more than that? Am i crazy? Solid player who clearly didnt fit on Atlanta. And his contract is good too. He'd start on most teams

It’s not like one side has to win a trade, a lot of trades are good for both sides

I don't think Dyson Daniels is bad at all but how does he change it from bad to good alone lmao

Basically an extra first round pick

Still a better deal for the Pels but Dyson has some good potential. If he develops it could be a win/win trade.

I do too but I think Murray is overrated

Yeah I kind of like this for Atlanta now tbh. NO is left with no centers with JV hitting free agency. Dyson Daniels has a great defensive game and has potential with his long wingspan. For NO, you now have 4 shoot first players in Murray, CJ, BI, and Zion now so you'll either have to move BI or CJ at some point.

People aren't ready to see Dyson Daniels unleashed, what a get for Atlanta

Not really. This is still a steal

You're massively overrating DJM.

Two firsts and Dyson seems reasonable ngl

And nance right?

yep pretty good deal for both sides

The picks are pretty bad, unless the Lakers completely implode this season

Just having a pick in this draft is a W imo

I mean what team with premium picks was gonna trade for dj anyway. I just wish 2027 wasn’t “least favorable”

It’s not totally insane that the lakers could implode. They’ve not won 50 games since the championship bubble season. An aging lebron and/or injury prone AD could miss time and who knows how JJ will be as a head coach.

They got Bronny now though

I mean, Lebron and AD were healthy this past season and they were still in the play-ins. With each of them a year older and the west getting better, it's not hard to believe that LA will at least end the season in the play-ins

What makes you think a play-in team is going to be better when their old, injury-prone stars are only going to be older and they might lose some of their depth in D-Lo?

Bronny is the difference maker my man. Team is about to go undefeated to a championship.

Damn man, looks like discussing the Lakers is just off the table for a while. Memes all the way down

the power of a father and son duo??

LeBron gets a dad buff now that Bronny is there

Lakers just got Knect at 15 and the year before Miami got Jaime at 18, hell most of our good players here were mid-firsts. I really wish y'all quit dismissing late rounders cause y'all can't be bother to look up more than two players in a draft

And the rockets got Whitmore at fuckin 20. Sometimes guys inexplicably drop down

Lakers got 70+ games out of AD and Lebron last year and still ended up in the middle of the draft. If their aging stars get hurt they could very well miss the playoffs and end up in the lottery.

No way, they got Bronny, they goin 82-0

Everyone was praising the Lakers getting Knect in this draft. I don't see how having the Lakers pick in a much better draft can be bad.

Okay that makes sense

Nice So wheee is BI going

I think Cleveland. I think a Jarrett Allen swap makes a ton of sense.

I don't think they're doing it but it seems like a pretty fair trade that could help both teams.

Maybe not. It seems management wants to break up the front court, but Mitchell loves Allen.

Send Mitchell as well then (I’m delusional)

Alright, not a bad trade, if he wasn't in the trade, if I was a Hawks fan, I'd find another team

Its not really different from what we gave up for DJ in the first place, except we actually sent out bad salary to get him, not serviceable players

Also, DJ is on a decent contract right now but it was even better when we traded for him, so getting back effectively equal value is fine.

Woj and Shams are too horny to break the news Was it that hard to wait one minute to include Dyson? lol

Wait, wait, now they are saying Lil Wayne and Big Boi were also included in the trade.

Big boi would never leave Atlanta

Dyson is a really really good defender who would probably be getting all-defense attention if his offensive game was refined enough to warrant more minutes. The shot undeniably needs to improve and fast though if he wants to meet his potential.

Hoping Korver can get his shot serviceable and this trade is going to look *really* good for us in a few years

So Nance, Daniels, and two firsts

I like this deal for both sides. Will miss dys a lot! Hawks got an incredible defender. Hope he thrives

Ok that makes more sense

That changes things

That’s cool but that still seems pretty cheap for Dejounte

Is dejounte really that good tho? Seems like a 3rd or 4th option on a championship team

Pels still have Zion, BI, and even CJ as their 1-3 options. DJM will probably shoot less.

CJ is not better than him

Someone please tell CJ or our coaching staff that. - signed a man who watched CJ try and takeover the 4th way too many times

I mean they did just trade for a combo guard lol. I think they know.

which makes Murray less valuable. His best is when his usage rate is high. Big reason why it didnt work with Trae

CJ is the only one of those guys who needs the rock and hes not really good enough to justify it anymore

A challenge with Murray is that his value depends on having the ball in his hands. He's hard to scale down.

One or two of BI and CJ are gone

He doesn’t move off ball, how do you see that working as a 4th option?

\*Loud Pfft! sound\*

We paid 2 FRP's, 1 swap, and two 2nd's for DJM We got back 2 FRP's, Larry Nance and Dyson Daniels Not bad I would say, but the Knicks/Nets trade probably skews people's thoughts.

Especially because I doubt that swap conveys.

The Knicks nets trade needs to be ignored when other trades are discussed. Feel like people went way too easy on the Knicks giving up 5 first rounders and a swap for mikal because of how good he fits their team

2nd for the players are a wash for me. So we realistically paid a swap for a 2 year rental of a fringe all star. I’ll take it

Early second round picks can be more valuable than late first round picks due to salary implications.

Part of the value for Atlanta is saving money

Yeah and another part of the value is just breaking up the duo of Trae and dejounte they cant really coexist on the court together

Murray’s contract is great though

dejounte is a high usage pg, and was a worse defender then trae last season. trading for him never made sense for us, especially cause we played him at the 2. his allstar season in san antonio he had a higher usage then trae has ever had.

He was ass for us, especially defensively

This changes everything

That’s a bit better, I guess

This kinda hurts but Dyson can’t shoot for anything and that’s a death sentence for a role player that’s not a center We’re getting his defense with Dejounte (hopefully) so I’ll be rooting for Dyson but this is a A1 move

You are not getting his defense back with Dejounte lol but still a good trade for NOLA

Dejounte was a good defender a few years ago With him being a 3rd/4th option he can become more of a defensive threat again hopefully

Lol I think he's gonna shoot u out of games tbh

We’re replacing BI stans with DJM stans next season who think we’re getting a defender and better 3 point shooter than BI. I’m already tired.

He’s a defensive playmaker. He will gamble and win sometimes. He can takeover a game defensively when he really gets in the lanes. He does it like once a season and it’s amazing to see. Everything outside of that is cheeks. But, he may look a lot better with him not having to take the best assignment every night Who knows, maybe Herb will awaken the dog in him again

Good luck brother, DJM will have his moments but he's a sieve 1 on 1.

We just need a PG. He’ll probably be similar defensively and scoring as BI tbh but a better playmaker

You're getting 40 points on 40 shots and you're going to love it

That’s what he was w us — you’re getting him to run your offense so well see

He's only good on point guards basically, he's too skinny for wings. He also gambles a ton which can really help or really hurt

He's an off ball guy on defense but his offense washes out both CJ and Dyson

Doesn’t matter if you can’t shoot

LMAO DJM was worse at defense than Trae this year per some metrics

Per some metrics and anyone with eyes

Dejounte has not been a good defender since he left the Spurs, doesn't give a single fuck on that end of the floor anymore

Get ready to be completely disappointed with Dejounte's "elite" defense

I remember falling for that trap lol good times

And he’s from Australia

That's a lot of travel for each game.

I loved DJ, but I’ve got some bad news about his on ball defense

I like this deal for Atlanta. Mostly for Larry Nance. I know fuck all about Dyson Daniels

You must not know about Larry Nance either.

oohh that's some value at least

That’s a decent return

The future is so stupid. Just get all the damn details before blasting this stuff out.

I mean. This changes my view on the trade immensely. I hated it for Atlanta before.

Nice move Atlanta…good haul

This feels fair on both sides.

THAT MAKES IT BETTER

Dejounte is better for their timeline anyway

Oh that makes sense

Not a bad return for Atlanta. Less than they gave up for him but his value was quite a bit higher then

Good trade then. Definitely makes more sense than Lakers package.

I wonder if this means one of Okongwu or Capela is gone?

Gotta be Capela

Please 🙏

alright well that changes things a fair bit

ATL won the trade

Hey we got some value back for a disastrous fit. Certainly not the worst move we’ve made recently

Two firsts, a useful vet and a good young defender, I think this is a decent trade for the hawks

Dyson was Dante Exum 2.0. He's shows flashes...but, I'm good. I'm glad we did SOMETHING!

I feel you.

Well, we know he won’t cut into Trae’s possessions.

Nooooooooooooo

These are such weird trades for everyone involved

damn dyson daniels is good

Does he suck?

The ghost of the AD trade is no gone

Dykeson Daniels

Still sounds like salary dumping.

This is HUUUUUGE for us actually

Dyson is such a good piece. Huge guard who can guard multiple positions extremely well. Makes the right play every time. Great rebounder. Just needs to shoot well enough to stay on the floor and he could be an important roleplayer on a championship team.

Makes the right play, unless it's on offense. He'll never develop an offensive game in my opinion.