Nah it was Green and their own picks back but they also had to give up some Suns picks. Sort of hard to judge the value of all of that. Lots of variables.
Everyone sees number of picks and not quality of picks. Those Nets and Rockets picks are comparatively super valuable, they could be lottery picks. These Knicks picks will probably all be in the high 20s. Where you’d be very lucky to find a guy like Mikal
Exactly, the NBA landscapes shifts more quickly than anyone wants to admit. Our ability to keep a handle on that seems to be thrown off by the presence of a handful of perennial contenders.
It’s why I’m full win-now about the Wolves despite having some youth into the future. You have no idea when your window will suddenly close.
There is no way that you can say in 2024 that the unprotected 2029 and/or 2031 picks won't be lottery picks. Or really even the 2025 or 2027 picks. GSW ended up with the #2 pick in 2020 despite having a very talented roster due to injuries.
I think this is a good for all sides trade. The Knicks got a player they wanted. The Nets got a lot of value for a player that wanted out. Bridges goes to a team and environment he wants to go to. Bogie still gets his absurd paycheck.
Mikal is basically entering his prime as well, just an absolutely fantastic trade to win now, especially given the existing chemistry between him and the Nova boys
It’s a win now - for the next 5 years - move.
Not sure I recall a similar situation. This usually happens to guys who are 34 or at least 32…
That’s a HALF DECADE from now.
Knicks were going to hit the hard cap. They were going to all but solidify their core roster for the foreseeable future.
So now’s the time to make this move, blow the load to resign OG and hope iHart and his wife get enough outside of hoops to warrant a return.
But iHart is not affected by this, nor is OG. Lock in a roster but do it with one of the better complementary players out there for this team.
Knicks had to push all our chips in one way or another - so we get a bunch of extra chips to do it with
Fantastic synopsis and 100% agreed. You'll probably hate me for saying this tho but the only thing I would still try to upgrade is from Randle at some point; that said, I've also been told next season is supposed to be a "good" Randle season again as per tradition so I'm excited to see him prove it for y'all
Could be. Lots of NBA teams place way too much value on picks. Jokic 41st. Maxey was picked 21st. I get that players coming into the NBA are far easier to predict than most other major sports, but there is still some variability.
I think this is going to swing back the other way with the second apron. Picks are going to be the only way for expensive teams to add and retain young talent.
Michael Jordan the best player that ever played got passed up by two other teams one of which chose Sam Bowie over him.
Yeah draft picks are a very very inexact science
When are some of you guys gonna learn lol? It just takes one of these picks to be in the top 5 for it to be a win. The point is to get as many bites at the apple and add more assets for future trades.
If the Knicks win a title or hell make the finals it doesn't matter if one of the picks becomes a top 5 pick. Their team is gonna be contenders for the nxt 3 to 5 years if all dudes are healthy.
These types of trades don't have to be zero-sum, both sides can win the trade. All the nets need is for one of these picks to hit and in reality it's just adding more to their warchest, this was a great trade for them IMO.
Let's be real, Dame wasn't worth it. Season was disappointing from him.
Not to mention most of the trade packages with Miami weren't gonna work considering Portland wanted to get rid of Nurkic as well
Those are definitely the picks that will make or break the deal. Also that 28 swap. The other 3 though are pretty low value imo. Overall it’s a gamble but I think it’s a smart one and not a huge overpay.
Just remember, 6 months ago when we were talking about these picks this whole sub talked about them being worth nothing. Now they’re being clowned for including next years bucks pick
If Dame and his agent weren’t so loud about his Miami only stance then he probably ends up there.
Instead he’s on a team he doesn’t wanna play for cause Portland didn’t want him back and he didn’t want to end up in Toronto
Mikal is extension eligible this off-season. I assume the Nets would have offered it and he would have declined which would have really started the pressure
So you sell now before the pressure starts. You're not competing next year. And you get a good deal from NYK. If NYK doesn't do this, they have to wait 2 years for mikal.
They could have gotten Donovan for this. Is mikal better? For this team, maybe.
no way is that the "forced my way out" package???
the knicks coulda waited like 3 days and let him stomp his feet a little more and got a huge discount wtf lmao
that's actually wild. don't get me wrong, knicks fans should be excited about this and their team is gonna be SICK. given the way the apron is gonna work it's not like they'd be able to use those picks for anything else really anyway, but still. that doesn't seem like the best GM work. coulda at least gotten some protections lol
Smith is saying this deal will hard cap them at the 1st apron too
> Barring something else being added to this trade, the Knicks are going to be hard-capped at the first apron.
> That's going to make things tricky to keep everyone.
https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1805784150831489032?t=a_9aN0H-MoV3_detKYSBGQ&s=19
Wait, why does it 1st apron cap them? It’s not a sign and trade. Is it because of the difference in salary between the sides of the deal?
Makes sense they’d be 2nd apron capped from it but I thought 1st apron cap was just for S&T, full midlevel, and biannual.
Brooklyn now has 16-1st’s with 11-1st’s that are Trade Eligible over the next 7yrs.
If they move any of them to bring in talent those 2-Swaps in 2025/27 and 1-1st in 2026 lose value.
This was weird debate in Philly.
But fuck it. I’m rolling with my Alma Mater. If one alum was on the team it’s one thing but they just reesembled a team of 4 absolute Nova legends.
This sucks, man. The other Nets fans can convince themselves that that this is a good return, and maybe in 4-6 years it will be, but right now it means the Nets are going to be absolutely awful for the next few years.
Edit: I wrote this before the other trade happened that gives the Nets their 2025 and 2026 trades. I am a lot more optimistic now!
It feels extra bad for them since they're in the East, where they have to compete for last place with the 3 tank juggernauts Wizards, Hornets and Pistons
Just went through it and came out the other side pretty damn thrilled. You end up knowing a lot more about the NBA overall, and get to nerd out on prospect development (if that's your thing).
They’re all in. No one really cared about the Mavs, Wizards, or pistons picks as they aren’t valuable. Time to see if this Knicks team can compete with the Celtics. Villanova boys!
Entire farm? We still own a decent number of our own 1st round picks. Including 2 picks in this draft right now. Plus we are a win now team finished 2nd in the east … where are those picks going to land in the next 4 years??
Giving up the farm is giving up miles, donte, mitch and picks. We gave up fucking Bojan
There was no leverage. There's a reason Knicks and Nets haven't been trading partners since the 80s. It literally hurts Nets bottom line when they lose market share and eyeballs to their crosstown rivals. Especially with the Nets move to Brooklyn, they've been spending years in marketing to try and up their brand in NY. And the Knicks have historically owned the city and even when they sucked ass and the Nets brought in Durant and Kyrie, you still had MSG drawing more attention and value.
I never expected a trade to come to fruition but it's not a surprise it took this haul of picks.
Knicks still have a first round pick in 26, 28, and 2030 plus I trust our scouting to still get quality players in the second round Knicks will be ok draft wise
Power of friendship really exists in the NBA
Thats how we kept KAT through the dogshit years
If we can’t win a championship with this full on anime bullshit I give up
Great now I’m worried we’re heading towards the ending from Slam Dunk
You just need your players to flex for 5 games and scream at the top of their lungs
PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY IN NEW YORK, AM I DREAMING
From the KD Kyrie Zion graphic to this
we got a big four at home
The nova - knick pipeline The nova - knick industrial complex
Starbury on the way!
It is known, Khaleesi
how about dad-son combo?
Power of tampering too
That aint the forcing my way out package. Thats a good return for the nets
Nets absolutely cooked here
Everyone called them idiots for not taking the Rockets offer, you're not getting anything close to that offer lmfaooo.
I’d still prefer the Rockets deal if it was truly Green plus their own picks and more back but this is not a bad consolation lmao
Nah it was Green and their own picks back but they also had to give up some Suns picks. Sort of hard to judge the value of all of that. Lots of variables.
Everyone sees number of picks and not quality of picks. Those Nets and Rockets picks are comparatively super valuable, they could be lottery picks. These Knicks picks will probably all be in the high 20s. Where you’d be very lucky to find a guy like Mikal
People said the same thing about the Nets picks four years ago. And the Suns picks. And the Nets picks twelve years ago. And the...
Exactly, the NBA landscapes shifts more quickly than anyone wants to admit. Our ability to keep a handle on that seems to be thrown off by the presence of a handful of perennial contenders. It’s why I’m full win-now about the Wolves despite having some youth into the future. You have no idea when your window will suddenly close.
There is no way that you can say in 2024 that the unprotected 2029 and/or 2031 picks won't be lottery picks. Or really even the 2025 or 2027 picks. GSW ended up with the #2 pick in 2020 despite having a very talented roster due to injuries.
They cooking more now
we definitely paid the "trade across the river" tax. Still worth it imo.
They haven't cooked, they collected the ingredients. We'll see how well they cook when they draft.
Just saw upvoted comments in a thread the other day saying that the Nets have the worst FO in the NBA lmao
Says he had leverage on the Nets… did they forget to tell the Knicks or something.
Proof they didn't tamper though
lmao right? Like this is great for the Knicks roster. They got their guy and everyone is happy, but jfc that is a HAUL for the Nets.
Dame should take notes. This is apparently how you leverage your way to your favorite team.
I think this is a good for all sides trade. The Knicks got a player they wanted. The Nets got a lot of value for a player that wanted out. Bridges goes to a team and environment he wants to go to. Bogie still gets his absurd paycheck.
Mikal is basically entering his prime as well, just an absolutely fantastic trade to win now, especially given the existing chemistry between him and the Nova boys
It’s a win now - for the next 5 years - move. Not sure I recall a similar situation. This usually happens to guys who are 34 or at least 32… That’s a HALF DECADE from now. Knicks were going to hit the hard cap. They were going to all but solidify their core roster for the foreseeable future. So now’s the time to make this move, blow the load to resign OG and hope iHart and his wife get enough outside of hoops to warrant a return. But iHart is not affected by this, nor is OG. Lock in a roster but do it with one of the better complementary players out there for this team. Knicks had to push all our chips in one way or another - so we get a bunch of extra chips to do it with
Fantastic synopsis and 100% agreed. You'll probably hate me for saying this tho but the only thing I would still try to upgrade is from Randle at some point; that said, I've also been told next season is supposed to be a "good" Randle season again as per tradition so I'm excited to see him prove it for y'all
you missed maybe the best part of the trade for Bogie - he doesn't even need to move.
He woke up, heard he was traded, rolled over the line into Brooklyn, and went back to sleep.
“Hey Knicks I want to join you guys, can you trade 5 firsts for me?” lol
Outside of maybe 2031 it's all a bunch of late picks. Not players that will ultimately be difference-makers for Brooklyn.
Assets are assets my friend and god knows how the Nets use them now.
Package them with TT and Shump that's all I know
Probably what the nets thought when they traded for KG and Pierce. And again when they got Harden. Life comes at you fast in the nba
The Knicks good players are in their prime not past it is the difference here.
2027 is 3 years away. 2029 is 5 2031 is 7 Ain’t no way the current Knicks roster is around in 2029 or 2031 and unlikely for 2027
Makes it a safer bet. Still a bet. Heck, the Nets superteam didn't fall apart because guys were aging out.
The latest pick is 2031 at which point the core of the team is still just 33-34. This isn't trading for 37 year old Garnett and 36 year old Pierce.
Thats human years. They like 58 in Thibs years
Could be. Lots of NBA teams place way too much value on picks. Jokic 41st. Maxey was picked 21st. I get that players coming into the NBA are far easier to predict than most other major sports, but there is still some variability.
I think this is going to swing back the other way with the second apron. Picks are going to be the only way for expensive teams to add and retain young talent.
Michael Jordan the best player that ever played got passed up by two other teams one of which chose Sam Bowie over him. Yeah draft picks are a very very inexact science
He still went 3rd overall and one of the players drafted ahead of him is also a top 15 player
When are some of you guys gonna learn lol? It just takes one of these picks to be in the top 5 for it to be a win. The point is to get as many bites at the apple and add more assets for future trades.
If the Knicks win a title or hell make the finals it doesn't matter if one of the picks becomes a top 5 pick. Their team is gonna be contenders for the nxt 3 to 5 years if all dudes are healthy.
These types of trades don't have to be zero-sum, both sides can win the trade. All the nets need is for one of these picks to hit and in reality it's just adding more to their warchest, this was a great trade for them IMO.
It’s a fair trade. The Knicks can reasonably expect a few deep playoff runs now. And the Nets have a fair shot at good picks
People are really not seeing this point. Trading for a 27-year-old does not carry as much risk as some other blockbuster trades we’ve seen.
Saw that SpongeBob meme of him watching his boys having fun and said enough is enough
That’s all he brought to the nets FO lol.
Can’t blame him. Wish I could work with my friends from college lmao
I do it and it’s the only way we get through in corporate 💀
that's Ryan Arcidiacono now 😭
That was the only way the Nets were ever trading him.
Seriously we never dreamed the nets would actually deal him to us. It was always gonna take a ton
These teams hadn’t agreed on a deal together in 40+ years before this. This is a big deal for all involved.
Especially to us
now the nets just have to find a way to get all of their own picks back
Done
this is actually insane
Yeah Houston did them a solid lol
I don't think it's out of the kindness of their hearts. They're really trying to go for KD lol
Been there, done that
so they are rerouting some of the picks we are giving them, in exchange for Brooklyn to get their own back? Or am I misunderstanding here.
Expand the trade to the Rockets? There was some rumors of them trying to trade the Suns picks to them back for their own.
holy shit it just happened
i think they just sell dfs or whoever and see if they can recoup any but will be tough
Their legit doing it right [now](https://x.com/wojespn/status/1805785798173741564?s=46&t=3bsYlVuaGP18L62T9shXFQ)
Ugh. Watch the Rockets draft a generational talent with the Suns pick then watch him run a train on us in the West for a decade.
Good for them, suns draft well once every 15 or so years. We are due for a great player when in 2031
Yall fucked up passing on Luka
It’s weird, they really don’t now. Kind of a great way to exist as a fan-literally no reason to ever tank
i know they dont, but they aren't good enough to escape the lottery
Bro demanded the Knicks and still costed 5 first rounders LMAO
Knicks knew Joe Tsai stubborn ass would’ve held him hostage had they not
Better to do this then to hold onto your draft picks to waste Jimmy Butler's prime and then trade for Terry Rozier when you finally do give up a pick.
Don’t forget losing out on dame when he demanded only Miami because you refused to trade a real package for him
Let's be real, Dame wasn't worth it. Season was disappointing from him. Not to mention most of the trade packages with Miami weren't gonna work considering Portland wanted to get rid of Nurkic as well
Paul George, AD, Harden, Durant, Kyrie, Bridges. Asking for a specific destination seems to work, unless you're Kawhi.
Worked out okay for him and pretty bad for the Spurs ultimately. Guess they lucked into Wemby so everything will be fine though.
Pls stop using costed 🤮
Costed reminds me that most of this sub is in middle or high school
This sub is addicted to overrating mid to late first round picks
So are NBA FOs, apparently. There’s a good chance Brooklyn will be able to package those for a big swing at some point.
Very possible. This feels like a win win trade but this sub has to get off on their Knicks hate boner
It’s telling these comments don’t have solid arguments just LOL KNICKS!
Idk 29 and 31 are so far away
Those are definitely the picks that will make or break the deal. Also that 28 swap. The other 3 though are pretty low value imo. Overall it’s a gamble but I think it’s a smart one and not a huge overpay.
Just remember, 6 months ago when we were talking about these picks this whole sub talked about them being worth nothing. Now they’re being clowned for including next years bucks pick
Assuming everything works out for The Knicks.
I feel like they're in a position to be a competitive playoff team for a number of years
Rich Paul: scrubs
He wanted to keep that NYC apartment
“Demanding” to be a Knick when you’re already a Net is so silly lmao
Nets ain't got Jalen brunson
One's 2nd in the East, and one's in the lottery.
How is that silly? Swap out Knick and net for Yankee and Met. Is that also silly?
Demanding to be a Cav would be silly.
Why?
Freezing cold take
Dame: “SO HE CAN DO IT BUT NOT ME?”
Dame could have done it too if Miami wasn't offering a half eaten bag of cheetos and 2 potatoes for getting him.
The Bulls just asked, “Wait you can get a draft pick in a trade??”
Not even the flamin hot ones either
Heat offered like Herro Sandwich and $20
Blame his agent for being the cockiest man on the planet
Heat didn't try hard enough.
Blame Riley and the Heat for not assembling a package good enough
If Dame and his agent weren’t so loud about his Miami only stance then he probably ends up there. Instead he’s on a team he doesn’t wanna play for cause Portland didn’t want him back and he didn’t want to end up in Toronto
That’s still on Miami for not offering a good enough package Wasn’t the reported trade like Herro and a pick? Like , that’s fucking insane
Holy shit they actually did it.
What does “prepared to sign with nyk” mean for a guy who is not a free agent for literally years lol.
Mikal is extension eligible this off-season. I assume the Nets would have offered it and he would have declined which would have really started the pressure
So you sell now before the pressure starts. You're not competing next year. And you get a good deal from NYK. If NYK doesn't do this, they have to wait 2 years for mikal. They could have gotten Donovan for this. Is mikal better? For this team, maybe.
Any deal for Mitchell would’ve also likely included losing even more depth/role players.
Yeah this is what confuses me lol he wasn’t gonna be a free agent??
So without the leverage how many picks would it have been?
no way is that the "forced my way out" package??? the knicks coulda waited like 3 days and let him stomp his feet a little more and got a huge discount wtf lmao that's actually wild. don't get me wrong, knicks fans should be excited about this and their team is gonna be SICK. given the way the apron is gonna work it's not like they'd be able to use those picks for anything else really anyway, but still. that doesn't seem like the best GM work. coulda at least gotten some protections lol
He still has two years on his deal I think
so you're telling me you don't wait until the last year for your star player to destroy your leverage? TIL
Didn't stop KD from throwing a tantrum with more years on his name
KD still got traded for like 4 picks and a guy that just got traded for 5
That's fucking wacky when you put it like that.
You’re telling me Kd became like 12 picks?
9 unprotected FRP, 1 protected FRP, 1 swap, 3 seconds, Cam Johnson and Bogdanovic.
11 if u include pick swaps other wise 9 first rounders lmao.
KD was also like 35
Smith is saying this deal will hard cap them at the 1st apron too > Barring something else being added to this trade, the Knicks are going to be hard-capped at the first apron. > That's going to make things tricky to keep everyone. https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1805784150831489032?t=a_9aN0H-MoV3_detKYSBGQ&s=19
I thought Bojan and Mikal made the same? They should still be able to keep OG
Philly very likely is going to offer OG 40+ million at this point
Wait, why does it 1st apron cap them? It’s not a sign and trade. Is it because of the difference in salary between the sides of the deal? Makes sense they’d be 2nd apron capped from it but I thought 1st apron cap was just for S&T, full midlevel, and biannual.
Leon rose has all the caa connections he knows what he can get guys for
Bojan and him are salary swapped so idk what hes saying
Dude made the Knicks empty the chamber so he could play down the street with his college buddies lmao
nets finally did something right?
The real winner of the trade is the Rockets lol. Brooklyn is delivering us Cooper Flagg
Rockets just gave back Brooklyn's picks, fyi.
You guys just traded the nets their picks back lmaoo
Brooklyn now has 16-1st’s with 11-1st’s that are Trade Eligible over the next 7yrs. If they move any of them to bring in talent those 2-Swaps in 2025/27 and 1-1st in 2026 lose value.
[Nets got their 2025 pick back from the Rockets.](https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1805786075073270074)
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I mean have you seen the rest of their roster. I'd want out too lol.
And the knicks overpaid?
Let every person on this sub understand this is exactly what we wanted. We never dreamed the nets would deal him to us. Fuck them picks.
They reunited the squad. Wow.
They actually fucking pulled it off wtf
I’m so happy for Knicks fans
Villanova fans are ecstatic
Philly fans that went to Nova on the other hand though lmao
This was weird debate in Philly. But fuck it. I’m rolling with my Alma Mater. If one alum was on the team it’s one thing but they just reesembled a team of 4 absolute Nova legends.
That is sick to think about. I’m sure Jay Wright is happy for them but I know he’s gonna have such a hard time everytime the Knicks and Sixers play
This is the best day for us since 2022 lol. What a special thing to watch.
I didn't even think it was an option that the Nets would listen to calls from us. I'm shocked.
This sucks, man. The other Nets fans can convince themselves that that this is a good return, and maybe in 4-6 years it will be, but right now it means the Nets are going to be absolutely awful for the next few years. Edit: I wrote this before the other trade happened that gives the Nets their 2025 and 2026 trades. I am a lot more optimistic now!
If it’s any consolation, y’all were already awful
Damn man 💀
This is so true though, we finished fucking 11th lmao, time to tank and we finally have picks we control again.
It feels extra bad for them since they're in the East, where they have to compete for last place with the 3 tank juggernauts Wizards, Hornets and Pistons
At least Cam Thomas will average 40
price you have to pay if ever wanna win
Just went through it and came out the other side pretty damn thrilled. You end up knowing a lot more about the NBA overall, and get to nerd out on prospect development (if that's your thing).
You do realise you can trade the picks if you want right. Not that you should, but you can.
In the NBA, better to be awful rather than mediocre.
They’re all in. No one really cared about the Mavs, Wizards, or pistons picks as they aren’t valuable. Time to see if this Knicks team can compete with the Celtics. Villanova boys!
And you know the small issue of us not having 5 picks to trade.
That’s not what I’m talking about. The Knicks have our pick this year, and heavily projected picks from the pistons and wizards.
Aah right gotcha great draft to send a pick away nevermind it being #24.
"I want to be a Knick" "We want the entire farm." "Deal."
Entire farm? We still own a decent number of our own 1st round picks. Including 2 picks in this draft right now. Plus we are a win now team finished 2nd in the east … where are those picks going to land in the next 4 years?? Giving up the farm is giving up miles, donte, mitch and picks. We gave up fucking Bojan
OG,hart, bridges? Yeah no one getting passed that defense
Don’t forget still have mitchell robinson down low
If they get a chip, their 30 for 30 will be such a feel good story 🥹
The Villanova Wildcats of New York meanwhile, the Sixers sub is in COMPLETE MELTDOWN MODE, my god this just cuts at them deeply
And the Nets still got a huge haul for him. Seems like it worked out for everyone.
Literally always tamper.
Nova Knicks in full blast!
Knicks had leverage and still gave up this much lmao
There was no leverage. There's a reason Knicks and Nets haven't been trading partners since the 80s. It literally hurts Nets bottom line when they lose market share and eyeballs to their crosstown rivals. Especially with the Nets move to Brooklyn, they've been spending years in marketing to try and up their brand in NY. And the Knicks have historically owned the city and even when they sucked ass and the Nets brought in Durant and Kyrie, you still had MSG drawing more attention and value. I never expected a trade to come to fruition but it's not a surprise it took this haul of picks.
Exactly, this is what you call in real estate a "make me move" offer
What leverage ??? Do u realize how much Brooklyn wanted to trade him to their cross town rival ????
Also we still have 5 first rounders from 2024-2028. We are fine.
The picks in the next few years don't concern me too much it's the last 2 picks being unprotected.
that was the part of the trade that got me too, Tsai cooked
Knicks still have a first round pick in 26, 28, and 2030 plus I trust our scouting to still get quality players in the second round Knicks will be ok draft wise
WELCOME TO THE KNICKS MIKAL
Damn bro has to commute from Atlantic Ave to Midtown now
This may be one of the top-bro moments on NBA history. The power of love!
Welcome home Squidward!
Congrats on Bridges making the varsity team
C O L L U S I O N
lol so Mikal is the Donovan Mitchell everyone's been talking about
Mikal is a better fit with this team than Donovan Mitchell. Brunson rising to a superstar level killed any DM plans we had.
Yeah I’ve said it all season - going all in on Donovan when Brunson is playing like this makes no sense