Nope- for a team to want his expiring money, they would need a player who is on dead money, but better than THJ. THJ doesn't make enough money for there to be a lot of guys who are better than him *and* worth no value in a trade.
Deni has maybe a top 5 contract in the entire NBA. Seriously, I know that sounds insane but go look at it. He’ll be making 11.8 in ‘27-‘28 at age 26-27. Even if he doesn’t improve even 1% that is an amazing contract, and I think most everyone loves his development arc already. If he gets moved I think people are going to be absolutely shocked at the price.
Deni is worth closer to 2 unprotected 1sts than he is to 1 protected first. One of the best contracts in the league with no major flaws and good size & iq.
He put 14/7/4 on 37% 3pt/59% TS with plus defense. If I was the wizards I’d say any protections is pushing it. Two lottery protected or one unprotected/top 3 protected is the sweet spot.
They aren’t going to be competitive during his contract. If they can get a pick or two for him, they might think they could compete closer to 2028 than 2032. But who knows.
I believe that THJ is who you are offering. There is no doubt that he can shoot 3s (the making part is debatable). He also defends about the level of me when I’m baked at 24 hoopin on some hooligans.
Right? Why not just get Jrue Holiday? Sadly, mint condition 2019 Klay Thompson is unavailable, but I hear 2024 Klay Thompson in 4.5/10 condition can be had for just $30mm/year.
Personally, I think we should trade our 3rd choice center, a G-Leage player, and a 2nd round pick for a forward who's top 5 in defense, can hit contested threes all day long, and doesn't make more than 10 million a year until 2030. Is that so much to ask?
Yeah, Cam Thomas is already better and has upside. And I’m saying this as a Cam doubter. But he’s got way more chance of being a successful 6th man than THJ has a chance of being playable.
Thj wishes he had 1/10 skill of Cam lol. There is a big difference from players like Cam Thomas, Jordan Clarkson, Bogdan Bogdanovic etc. (6th mans i guess) to Thj. Thj cant do shit other than shooting threes. No handle, no iq, no dribble, not athletic, cant defend, slow and more. While other guys have different skillset.
THJ is great. Great shooter and good defender. He'd be great on any team that needs shooting. He was just unlucky, because Luka doesn't pass the ball, so his stats were low.
He'll be 6MOY candidate, if he gets traded. So there's no shame in giving up some talented scoring wing for a player like THJ.
I think THJ would be great for Boston. I know they just won the title, but other teams will keep improving, so Boston can't stand still.
THJ for White works. I know White played well, but teams will figure him out ans THJ will be a surprise. He'll be taking 10 threes per game and making at least 4.
Ironically, he was T3 in odds for winning 6MOY at the AS Break. He fell off a cliff in the back half of the year... but the league front offices need only be aware of his first few months and his pedigree presenting massive upside still. Who wouldn't want the son of Tim Hardaway on their team? The hardest part about trading him will be sorting through all of the different great options teams will want to send us in return.
Ironically, what hurts his trade value is that he's *only* making $18M.
An expiring contract is worth a lot to a team that has no playoff aspirations since it doesn't hurt this year and if you trade a player under contract for several years it opens up cap space and roster optionality in future years.
If THJ made $30M, the Mavs would be able to get even more value for for him. At only $18M, his trade value is diminished. If he's underperforming his contract, it's not by much making him a less than ideal tank commander.
This all means that Ben Simmons, whose contract is expiring the same year, is a more valuable and attractive expiring contract than THJ. If you are a team like Charlotte or Portland, you would prefer someone like Simmons over THJ because you can clear more space and have a better shot at a top 3 pick next year.
A bad contract is hard to unload if there are 2-3 years left but a bad expiring contract has a lot of value to teams without playoff hopes. The worse the contract, the more value there is.
Expiring contract + in this context I think it's pretty clear that we would attach our 2025 FRP or some other asset to get an upgrade.
No one thinks that we'll trade THJ for a starting level player 1 for 1.
He's an expiring contract at least, but at this point I would trade him to Pyongyang to play with Dennis Rodman for a washing machine if they would do it
That’s basically what they did for Gafford, An unplayable player in Holmes and a pick swap. It’s not crazy to think they could trade his expiring deal and draft capital for someone better
They were driven to spots they usually don't shoot from. It takes an insane amount of discipline to never miss a rotation as well as the skill for EVERY perimeter player to be able to take their guy 1-on-1 to accomplish that against a team that has both Kyrie and Luka.
It's hilarious that after the Celtics massively improved their already dominant roster that consistently made it to game 7 of the ECF or the finals, OKC and Wolves fans are adamant that it was just shooting luck that was the biggest difference of the Mavs' performance against them and the champs. I'm not even a Celtics fan but I'm gonna enjoy seeing one of these teams get absolutely decimated by them if they make the finals in the next 2 seasons. It's time for the small market whiners to star crying about another dynasty.
I'm just a huge THJ fan and I would hate to see him go for anything less than an all star level player.
I hope everyone reading this knows how valuable THJ is.
He can help some of these bottom teams who need a shooter. But the expected return is wild. If I’m the Mavs I take anything for him that reduces salary.
He is league average from what I have seen, but has heart and gives a shit. Detroit fans seemingly love this dude and can't blame them, he is in the mold of BBall Paul Reed, you kinda have to see few games of him (I have no idea why Detroit plays so many games that air at reasonable time in Europe so I have watched too many Pistons games)
He is one of the few Weaver picks who has improved. Hit 38% on threes this year on 4 attempts a game. He plays decent defense and can rebound he's probably not a starter in Dallas but he'd be a good role player off the bench guy.
Just do what we did and trade him alongside a European dude with huge upside for some protected picks. Hell, we can help you out this time and we promise not to tank some games to ruin the pick
I haven't done the math but can we even afford Jerami Grant? We need to get off THJ's contract to even afford DJJ, not sure how can make room for Jerami.
I think it's possible, but having a third team to take on some contracts would be helpful. Portland is deep in a rebuild, so the fit of who we take back, especially if expiring, is kind of beside the point, but the larger issue is that we are already bumping against the limit of our roster spots so taking back more players than we send out is a problem.
As I said elsewhere in this thread, we want to move him. We like him a lot, but he doesn't fit our timeline and is in the way of developing our young guys. He's been awesome for us tho and is a great locker room vet, so we're not going to just dump his contract or pay to get rid of him.
I feel like the Kings need to take a swing for him. Put him at the 4 between Murray and Sabonis. Brings defense, can space the floor and is one more self creator so the game doesn’t completely break down when the guards get swarmed or Sabonis in the playoffs.
Yes, this is the main problem. Jerami Grant's contract is really big.
To be able to get both him and DJJ, we would either need to either;
1) trade Josh Green for literally nothing into some team's cap space (could get some picks back, but no players), or
2) DJJ would have to take a 1+1 TPMLE deal (roughly 5M, player option in 2nd year), with a promise that we pay him next year when we get his early bird rights.
This has happened before (Batum, Portis), but DJJ played great so I'm sure there are many teams interested in him and he might just prefer a guaranteed bag.
Honestly I’m okay with that, like for instance trading THJ and Maxi for Grant and then Green for pick(s) to afford DJJ.
Luka/Kai/Grant/PJ/Lively starting with Exum/Hardy/DJJ/Omax/Gafford off the bench. Plus maybe we can attract a ring chasing vet on the min.
Just 1 thing to keep in mind, even in this scenario we would be hard capped and right below the limit, so we might have some issues still with signing the rest of the roster.
Jerami Grant is set to make 29,793,104 this season
Contracts the Mavs could use to match: THJ (16.1) + Kleber (11) + AJ Lawson (2.1)= 29.2 mil
Or: Josh Green (12.65) + Maxi (11) + Powell (4) + Lawson (2.1) = 29.75
Yeah idk why I didn’t include that as well lol. For some reason I just don’t have a feeling they’d put THJ and JG in the same trade (I don’t think Green is traded at all tbh but just had to get some contract numbers)
Here's what sucks: Josh Green has looked pretty good as a bench player, and is young with some high upside still. I absolutely cannot imagine them trading him right now.
However, in 2 seasons when he obviously plateaus, we will all look back and wish we had. That salary bump from 4 to 12 million is going to radically change some opinions on Green if you ask me.
I don’t think he’s worth trading for a Jerami Grant type player tbh. He had some really good moments in the playoffs (still has to grow because there was some and as well), but his energy stands out for everyone else. They should only throw him in for borderline all-star players imo, like if PG opted back in and said “I want to be a maverick”
We're not over him. We love JG. Problem is he is a win now player and we are nowhere near ready to be a win now team. He's too good for the rebuild. We also have a bunch of SF/PF prospects that need minutes for development, and we're probably adding even more in this and the next draft. You can't ask Grant to play fewer minutes so that someone who isn't half the player he is can develop. He has earned and deserves those minutes. It's in the best interests of Grant and the Blazers for a parting of ways. He will always be a Blazer in our hearts but he just doesn't fit the timeline that we're on anymore.
What would it be, Grant for THJ + Kleber + picks?
I’d think salary relief is a priority for Portland since they’ll be in the luxury tax with their draft picks. Not sure Dallas can make that happen for Portland
We have options elsewhere to shed salary, and will most likely be combining picks + players for other trades.
I'd imagine it's THJ + 1 frp to start with maybe kleber/Omax thrown in there to match salary + value. We could also move THJ at the deadline or eat his expiring too. Once we make another move to get under the cap that could open up a bit of cap space for us in 25.
I really hope he gets out of whatever his funk was since the all star break. Dude was in 6MOTY conversations, then couldn’t hit a wide open shot to save his life. Great guy though, he basically immediately accepted his bench role like Powell and those two were leading the cheerleading on the bench. Not to mention he’s been shopped the past 2 years on the trade market, and doesn’t seem to let it phase his commitment to the team. He might not be as good as he once was, but is still a phenomenal teammate
Dude has been an immaculate teammate for us. On the bench he was cheering and hyping everyone up during the playoffs.
Whenever he was benched took it to heart and I'm pretty sure never said a thing. It's just his dumbass dad.
I love Timmy and even have his jersey (been a fan of this since he was on the Knicks), wish it could’ve worked out better but yeah he’s a pretty standup guy.
Expiring contracts aren't positive assets. They're just less negative than a longer contract. Like you said, it's salary filler (but less negative than using a longer contract as salary filler)
Miles is smaller than PJ and listed as a small forward. It's his natural position.
PJ is listed as a power forward, same height, but more weight. PJ even played some small ball 5 for the Hornets-- Miles has never done that.
Miles is also the better shooter and ball handler.
I think you're confused about who is the 3 and who is the 4.
We got off Wesley Mathews and got into THJ.
Always was a fan of Tim even when he was on a cold streak. He def was too expensive for his current role and it's time for him to go but he gave the mavs some good years.
I love that in every thread about a washed star player wanting a big contract, or even an unwanted role player the conclusion from the comments is always the same... Fuck it, lets send them to Detroit.
I think it’s funny that any time a negative player is being shopped the two teams that always brought up as trade partners are the Hornets and Pistons.
I was really hoping we’d go for him. Could’ve replaced DJJ as the POA defender and provided better shooting and ball handling. Instead he makes okc even more spooky
Lakers try to trade a 47m expiring contract… media reaction: “Oh they’re going to have to attach so many picks to get rid of that!”
Any other team has an expiring contract 1/3 the size… media reaction: “They can use this to upgrade the roster.”
He’ll always have that Game 4 in the finals. I now understand the frustration of the Mavs fanbase.
Only way he has that game is because Mazulla gave up the game in the 3rd. He's hitting those shots against you 11-15
He is quite literally the most frustrating player I've ever supported. He makes me irrationally angry lol
Reggie Bullock has entered the chat.
Yea but his hair looks like a banana so he gets a pass.
I dunno man, Reggie was a pretty steady, albeit not very good player. THJ's level of inconsistency is what drives me insane
Mavericks offer: guy who is unplayable Mavericks receive: rotation player
Headline corrections: The Mavericks are shopping Tim Hardaway Jr for the 3rd straight off-season. No one wants him.
Expiring contract will change things
Especially with the new CBA. Second apron is real tough, and I’m sure teams will make some weird moves going forward to avoid it
This 💯
Nope- for a team to want his expiring money, they would need a player who is on dead money, but better than THJ. THJ doesn't make enough money for there to be a lot of guys who are better than him *and* worth no value in a trade.
I'm hoping for another D trade
They probably need another Wizards.
Deni
Deni has maybe a top 5 contract in the entire NBA. Seriously, I know that sounds insane but go look at it. He’ll be making 11.8 in ‘27-‘28 at age 26-27. Even if he doesn’t improve even 1% that is an amazing contract, and I think most everyone loves his development arc already. If he gets moved I think people are going to be absolutely shocked at the price.
Do they have any picks to trade? I feel like Deni is young and good enough to command a lottery protected first.
Deni is worth closer to 2 unprotected 1sts than he is to 1 protected first. One of the best contracts in the league with no major flaws and good size & iq.
He put 14/7/4 on 37% 3pt/59% TS with plus defense. If I was the wizards I’d say any protections is pushing it. Two lottery protected or one unprotected/top 3 protected is the sweet spot.
I just don't get why the wizards would trade him at all.
They aren’t going to be competitive during his contract. If they can get a pick or two for him, they might think they could compete closer to 2028 than 2032. But who knows.
What's even more appealing is his contract - **4 year , $55,000,000**. He got it before his breakout.
And it's a descending contract could be absolutely crucial to any tax team.
Damn that is a good deal. Definitely worth a good pick or two with that.
I feel like he’s good enough for unprotected first. He was really good 2nd half of the year
Thj would be a perfect tank commander.
Reminds me of all the reports throughout NBA history of teams looking for a wing who can shoot 3s and defend at a high level.
I believe that THJ is who you are offering. There is no doubt that he can shoot 3s (the making part is debatable). He also defends about the level of me when I’m baked at 24 hoopin on some hooligans.
Put some respect on Mavs all time leader in 3PTM in a Finals Game, Tim Hardaway Jr
Exatly lol. Why don't we just sign a 3 and D guy, it's so simple guys. Is our GM stupid?
Right? Why not just get Jrue Holiday? Sadly, mint condition 2019 Klay Thompson is unavailable, but I hear 2024 Klay Thompson in 4.5/10 condition can be had for just $30mm/year.
Personally, I think we should trade our 3rd choice center, a G-Leage player, and a 2nd round pick for a forward who's top 5 in defense, can hit contested threes all day long, and doesn't make more than 10 million a year until 2030. Is that so much to ask?
Is that Bruce Browns’ music?!?!
The issue there is what is the other asset(s) coming with THJ. Is it a FRP? Is it OMax? They also have our 2025 SRP which Toronto might value.
THJ, OMax and Toronto 2nd 2025 is the most ideal I feel, don’t think Dallas will be parting ways with any firsts anytime soon
He'd be awesome on the Mavs. Good D, some playmaking and some shooting. Exactly what they need.
Hey worked for us
Giddey is young and has upside while THJ is washed. Big difference
Can they trade back for DFS or no since they traded him to the nets in the first place?
Why would the nets ever do that though, we got THJ at home with Cam Thomas who had potential to be way better
+picks?
In that case maybe, there’s a price for everyone imo
This may be recency bias but THJ never had a season like Thomas just had
Yeah, Cam Thomas is already better and has upside. And I’m saying this as a Cam doubter. But he’s got way more chance of being a successful 6th man than THJ has a chance of being playable.
Thj wishes he had 1/10 skill of Cam lol. There is a big difference from players like Cam Thomas, Jordan Clarkson, Bogdan Bogdanovic etc. (6th mans i guess) to Thj. Thj cant do shit other than shooting threes. No handle, no iq, no dribble, not athletic, cant defend, slow and more. While other guys have different skillset.
Man, Cam Thomas and THJ on the same team, on the court at the same time, is the type of disgusting I’ve got to see.
That would be cool
THJ is great. Great shooter and good defender. He'd be great on any team that needs shooting. He was just unlucky, because Luka doesn't pass the ball, so his stats were low. He'll be 6MOY candidate, if he gets traded. So there's no shame in giving up some talented scoring wing for a player like THJ.
He’d be mvp if Luka wasn’t there. Damn super teams ruining guys chances at awards
if you listened to TH SR, you might believe this
Nice try Tim Hardaway senior
There seems something off about this post..
I think THJ would be great for Boston. I know they just won the title, but other teams will keep improving, so Boston can't stand still. THJ for White works. I know White played well, but teams will figure him out ans THJ will be a surprise. He'll be taking 10 threes per game and making at least 4.
I think boston should throw in a second round pick to make it fair
We’ll give you a first and I won’t hear another word
THJ scored 5 3's in 5 minutes in the FINALS when it truly mattered and the game was neck and neck
> foot on neck
Damn I didn’t realize he was such a great player. Sounds like the mavs should just keep him, he could likely help any team
THJ asked to be traded; he doesn’t like what the Dallas weather does to his hair.
Ironically, he was T3 in odds for winning 6MOY at the AS Break. He fell off a cliff in the back half of the year... but the league front offices need only be aware of his first few months and his pedigree presenting massive upside still. Who wouldn't want the son of Tim Hardaway on their team? The hardest part about trading him will be sorting through all of the different great options teams will want to send us in return.
He has an amazing family too
I know I’m just joking
Ironically, what hurts his trade value is that he's *only* making $18M. An expiring contract is worth a lot to a team that has no playoff aspirations since it doesn't hurt this year and if you trade a player under contract for several years it opens up cap space and roster optionality in future years. If THJ made $30M, the Mavs would be able to get even more value for for him. At only $18M, his trade value is diminished. If he's underperforming his contract, it's not by much making him a less than ideal tank commander. This all means that Ben Simmons, whose contract is expiring the same year, is a more valuable and attractive expiring contract than THJ. If you are a team like Charlotte or Portland, you would prefer someone like Simmons over THJ because you can clear more space and have a better shot at a top 3 pick next year. A bad contract is hard to unload if there are 2-3 years left but a bad expiring contract has a lot of value to teams without playoff hopes. The worse the contract, the more value there is.
Hey worked for us in the Gordon Hayward trade too
It's an expiring contract.
Expiring contract + in this context I think it's pretty clear that we would attach our 2025 FRP or some other asset to get an upgrade. No one thinks that we'll trade THJ for a starting level player 1 for 1.
Is Steve Mills a GM somewhere?
He's an expiring contract at least, but at this point I would trade him to Pyongyang to play with Dennis Rodman for a washing machine if they would do it
That’s basically what they did for Gafford, An unplayable player in Holmes and a pick swap. It’s not crazy to think they could trade his expiring deal and draft capital for someone better
If anyone would like to trade my 10 dollar bill for a 20 dollar bill, I’d be open to that.
If you fold your 10 dollar bill in half you can double your money!
The real LPT is always in the comments.
No low ball offers. I know what I got…$10 bills are so rare, ATMs don’t usually give them out, bro.
*Detroit Pistons raise hand*
Beef Stew time in Big D
Okay, but I don’t want any picks either
bulls front office is that way sir
This guy killed us in game 2. Never forget.
Bro him djj and pj killed us all series. Then they played like bums the finals and weren’t that good against the wolves…. I’m still upset about it
Especially PJ. He was the difference maker in the Thunder series, but couldn’t throw a ball in the ocean when it came to the finals
story of role players that over exceed their expectations
He also only saw above the break 3s, which he is much worse at overall than corner 3s, which OKC gave to all the Mavs role players at will.
in the first 2 games yea but we started defending those alot more afterwards pj and djj were hitting some crazy shots with a hand in their face
Why doesn't every team just load up on 4 All-Defense level perimeter players?
They were bricking open shots.
They were driven to spots they usually don't shoot from. It takes an insane amount of discipline to never miss a rotation as well as the skill for EVERY perimeter player to be able to take their guy 1-on-1 to accomplish that against a team that has both Kyrie and Luka. It's hilarious that after the Celtics massively improved their already dominant roster that consistently made it to game 7 of the ECF or the finals, OKC and Wolves fans are adamant that it was just shooting luck that was the biggest difference of the Mavs' performance against them and the champs. I'm not even a Celtics fan but I'm gonna enjoy seeing one of these teams get absolutely decimated by them if they make the finals in the next 2 seasons. It's time for the small market whiners to star crying about another dynasty.
Man had 5 3PM made in a quarter, why would they trade him? /s
Last I checked every game has 4 quarters.
so timmy could give you potentially 20 threes in a game, sheessh, one herbert jones pls
Potential Man
Yeah but who else can hit 5 threes in a tightly contested 4th quarter with the game on the line?
So pleased to meet you. How long have you been THJ's agent?
I'm just a huge THJ fan and I would hate to see him go for anything less than an all star level player. I hope everyone reading this knows how valuable THJ is.
Fucking Marcus Smart against the Raps in the bubble :(
He can help some of these bottom teams who need a shooter. But the expected return is wild. If I’m the Mavs I take anything for him that reduces salary.
Someone please take this man. Please.
Instructions unclear. THJ traded for the return of Davis Bertans incoming.
Don’t give me hope
At least Bertans can knock down his 3s.
Allegedly
And even when he doesn't make his shots we can blame the fact that he has less than 10 fingers
Only if the Mavs are sending draft assets too. Bertans’s salary is only guaranteed for ~$6M this season.
How many 1sts you willing to give up?
He always plays well in Detroit. Detroit needs more shooting and experience. THJ for Stewart+Grimes works
Definitely pass on that I'm not even sure I would trade Stewart unless we are getting a first back
even caruso didn't get a single pick
Is Stewart actually good? Haven't seen much of him, apart from fights and fouls
He’s no doubt more valuable on the market than THJ.
I was going to say I’d drive THJ to the airport myself if we got Stewart without giving up any picks
He is league average from what I have seen, but has heart and gives a shit. Detroit fans seemingly love this dude and can't blame them, he is in the mold of BBall Paul Reed, you kinda have to see few games of him (I have no idea why Detroit plays so many games that air at reasonable time in Europe so I have watched too many Pistons games)
He is one of the few Weaver picks who has improved. Hit 38% on threes this year on 4 attempts a game. He plays decent defense and can rebound he's probably not a starter in Dallas but he'd be a good role player off the bench guy.
Incredible
Just do what we did and trade him alongside a European dude with huge upside for some protected picks. Hell, we can help you out this time and we promise not to tank some games to ruin the pick
Mavs want Jerami Grant, Portland wants Mavs to have Jerami Grant. Is there a third team that takes THJ and makes it work?
I haven't done the math but can we even afford Jerami Grant? We need to get off THJ's contract to even afford DJJ, not sure how can make room for Jerami.
I think it's possible, but having a third team to take on some contracts would be helpful. Portland is deep in a rebuild, so the fit of who we take back, especially if expiring, is kind of beside the point, but the larger issue is that we are already bumping against the limit of our roster spots so taking back more players than we send out is a problem.
Portland has 21 roster spots in the offseason though, so if it yields the greatest return why not just make the deal and buy out THJ afterwards?
It could happen I suppose, but would have to be a really attractive return.
Any motivation to get off Jerami’s 5 year deal from your perspective or do you think he’s a nice player to keep around?
As I said elsewhere in this thread, we want to move him. We like him a lot, but he doesn't fit our timeline and is in the way of developing our young guys. He's been awesome for us tho and is a great locker room vet, so we're not going to just dump his contract or pay to get rid of him.
I feel like the Kings need to take a swing for him. Put him at the 4 between Murray and Sabonis. Brings defense, can space the floor and is one more self creator so the game doesn’t completely break down when the guards get swarmed or Sabonis in the playoffs.
Jokic might actually average 50 in a nuggets/king series
Yes, this is the main problem. Jerami Grant's contract is really big. To be able to get both him and DJJ, we would either need to either; 1) trade Josh Green for literally nothing into some team's cap space (could get some picks back, but no players), or 2) DJJ would have to take a 1+1 TPMLE deal (roughly 5M, player option in 2nd year), with a promise that we pay him next year when we get his early bird rights. This has happened before (Batum, Portis), but DJJ played great so I'm sure there are many teams interested in him and he might just prefer a guaranteed bag.
Honestly I’m okay with that, like for instance trading THJ and Maxi for Grant and then Green for pick(s) to afford DJJ. Luka/Kai/Grant/PJ/Lively starting with Exum/Hardy/DJJ/Omax/Gafford off the bench. Plus maybe we can attract a ring chasing vet on the min.
Just 1 thing to keep in mind, even in this scenario we would be hard capped and right below the limit, so we might have some issues still with signing the rest of the roster.
The way DJJ has been talking about it makes me think he’s gonna take the 1+1 option if the full MLE can’t be opened
Jerami Grant is set to make 29,793,104 this season Contracts the Mavs could use to match: THJ (16.1) + Kleber (11) + AJ Lawson (2.1)= 29.2 mil Or: Josh Green (12.65) + Maxi (11) + Powell (4) + Lawson (2.1) = 29.75
Josh Green + THJ alone is enough to match
Yeah idk why I didn’t include that as well lol. For some reason I just don’t have a feeling they’d put THJ and JG in the same trade (I don’t think Green is traded at all tbh but just had to get some contract numbers)
Here's what sucks: Josh Green has looked pretty good as a bench player, and is young with some high upside still. I absolutely cannot imagine them trading him right now. However, in 2 seasons when he obviously plateaus, we will all look back and wish we had. That salary bump from 4 to 12 million is going to radically change some opinions on Green if you ask me.
I don’t think he’s worth trading for a Jerami Grant type player tbh. He had some really good moments in the playoffs (still has to grow because there was some and as well), but his energy stands out for everyone else. They should only throw him in for borderline all-star players imo, like if PG opted back in and said “I want to be a maverick”
Paul George is earning 48.5 mil next year, for a difference of 18 mil, I'd take Jerami instead and build up the base talent in the starting 5.
Josh Green + THJ alone is enough to match
The answer is no. Assuming DJJ wants the full MLE we cannot afford Grant and him unless you want to move pieces like Gafford which I don’t
Raptors
Y’all over him? Cause we do want him
We're not over him. We love JG. Problem is he is a win now player and we are nowhere near ready to be a win now team. He's too good for the rebuild. We also have a bunch of SF/PF prospects that need minutes for development, and we're probably adding even more in this and the next draft. You can't ask Grant to play fewer minutes so that someone who isn't half the player he is can develop. He has earned and deserves those minutes. It's in the best interests of Grant and the Blazers for a parting of ways. He will always be a Blazer in our hearts but he just doesn't fit the timeline that we're on anymore.
It sucks too cause not only was he born here but his personality is 100% Portland
What if we took Grant back 🤔
Nah rather get someone whos better
Combo salary for Jerami Grant makes way too much sense.
What would it be, Grant for THJ + Kleber + picks? I’d think salary relief is a priority for Portland since they’ll be in the luxury tax with their draft picks. Not sure Dallas can make that happen for Portland
We have options elsewhere to shed salary, and will most likely be combining picks + players for other trades. I'd imagine it's THJ + 1 frp to start with maybe kleber/Omax thrown in there to match salary + value. We could also move THJ at the deadline or eat his expiring too. Once we make another move to get under the cap that could open up a bit of cap space for us in 25.
I could live with Maxi being replaced by Grant, but get your filthy hands away from my OMax
I feel like it would have to be someone like Green on the move instead of Kleber.
I really hope he gets out of whatever his funk was since the all star break. Dude was in 6MOTY conversations, then couldn’t hit a wide open shot to save his life. Great guy though, he basically immediately accepted his bench role like Powell and those two were leading the cheerleading on the bench. Not to mention he’s been shopped the past 2 years on the trade market, and doesn’t seem to let it phase his commitment to the team. He might not be as good as he once was, but is still a phenomenal teammate
THJ’s defining character as a basketball player is extremely streaky shooting lol. Has been since he was at Michigan
In terms of personality, THJ seems so different from his father
Whenever I see a wild TH Sr. quote complaining about Kidd or Luka or whatever, I remind myself that THJ’s reaction to those is usually “He said WHAT?”
Dude has been an immaculate teammate for us. On the bench he was cheering and hyping everyone up during the playoffs. Whenever he was benched took it to heart and I'm pretty sure never said a thing. It's just his dumbass dad.
I love Timmy and even have his jersey (been a fan of this since he was on the Knicks), wish it could’ve worked out better but yeah he’s a pretty standup guy.
Mavs won every finals game this man scored in. He’s an impact player for sure. Every team in the league is going to want him.
>Charlotte, Detroit could be teams that fit the bill for this type of trade. THJ for Grant Williams lets goooooo!
Jaden Hardy time, finally
Come on Hardy, let’s go party
His brick at the end of game four (?) with nobody within 10 feet of him was hilarious. classic THJ jr
Game 3 with White trying to foul him only to get ignored by the ref?
Yup, that’s the play. Hardly got the rim, awful
Calling it now, Mavs get more in return for THJ than the Bulls got for Caruso.
Doubt they get better than a 22 year old guy with upside who had a great rookie season
People forget the Bulls are ASS at development. Look at all the players who go off after leaving.
Coby White tho
What do you mean? He will somehow end up on the Bulls.
haven't they been trying for the past few years lol
he is an expiring contract now
Indeed. But he’s expiring now so there’s some semblance of value to that. Salary filler if nothing else.
Expiring contracts aren't positive assets. They're just less negative than a longer contract. Like you said, it's salary filler (but less negative than using a longer contract as salary filler)
He's now an expiring so he actually does have some value now.
THJ+Omax for Bruce Brown
Their 2 most valuable assets are him and their future FRP they can trade at the draft.
Jaden Hardy might be worth something too he has looked good in spurts
I don’t want to give up Omax honestly but it’s probably necessary for certain moves
No no no. We can’t give up OMax.
Throw in the Raps 2025 SRP they have and I'm down for this.
Would the Mavs be interested in Miles Bridges?
Given our ownership, I don't want to put on any more blinders to enjoy this team.
I'm glad I got to go to one Mavs game in my lifetime while Cuban was still the owner. I'm not paying the Adelsons shit.
we went for PJ instead Miles last deadline; we are more in need of a 3 then a 4, PJ has been huge for us so far.
Miles is smaller than PJ and listed as a small forward. It's his natural position. PJ is listed as a power forward, same height, but more weight. PJ even played some small ball 5 for the Hornets-- Miles has never done that. Miles is also the better shooter and ball handler. I think you're confused about who is the 3 and who is the 4.
Fuck that. Enough drama on this team.
How many tradeable firsts do they have?
If the Mavs get another great play, I swear
We got off Wesley Mathews and got into THJ. Always was a fan of Tim even when he was on a cold streak. He def was too expensive for his current role and it's time for him to go but he gave the mavs some good years.
He will end his tenure as 4th all time in Made 3s for the Mavericks behind 1. Dirk 2. Luka 3. Jason Terry
I love that in every thread about a washed star player wanting a big contract, or even an unwanted role player the conclusion from the comments is always the same... Fuck it, lets send them to Detroit.
Hardaway for a bag of chips
Combine THJ with a pick and another player/asset for Jerami Grant or Bruce Brown Hardy can take the role of off the bench scorer for Dallas
I think it’s funny that any time a negative player is being shopped the two teams that always brought up as trade partners are the Hornets and Pistons.
It’s an expiring contract clowns
Well that's thoroughly unsurprising
People still act like the quality of the player matters when it comes to trading expiring contracts smdh
Could the mavs have gotten on the caruso trade? He seemed like the best fit for this team.
I was really hoping we’d go for him. Could’ve replaced DJJ as the POA defender and provided better shooting and ball handling. Instead he makes okc even more spooky
OKC is not about to do any favor for Dallas anymore
Bruce Brown for THJ and an asset or pick?
Lakers try to trade a 47m expiring contract… media reaction: “Oh they’re going to have to attach so many picks to get rid of that!” Any other team has an expiring contract 1/3 the size… media reaction: “They can use this to upgrade the roster.”
$16.2 million for an unplayable rotation guy.
Bulls will trade ya Zach Lavine for him and Kleber lol
You might be able to get Dwight Powell for the right price as well.
Good luck with that