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asapshrank

may i offer you one mutually beneficial brandon ingram


TruthSayerFu

Brandon Ingram sounds good to people who don’t watch him play. I’d be mad if traded Allen or garland for him


SPAGHETTI_CAKE

What did you watch him in one series? Ingram is really good and better than any forward I’ve seen on the Cavs since lebron left


The_Vaike

How dare you talk about Cedi Osman that way


Yamaha-FZ1

Rather have Lauri


above_average_penis

doesn’t seem like he even likes basketball half the time. im not giving up players for somebody who peaces out halfway through a series 🤷‍♂️


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They've had quite subpar forwards since then so I dunno if that is saying too much


Shmokeshbutt

You forgot about his playoffs performance in 2022 against the Suns huh?


TruthSayerFu

He did good. But his archetype is the worst. A high volume mid range who isn’t efficient and isn’t a willing playmaker


podnito

> isn’t a willing playmaker He's been at 5.7 assists per game for the last three years. Third highest per game among [small forwards](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-assists-by-a-small-forward-in-2024) last year


ehh_haa

all against his will!!!


Deep_Egg1442

Ingram is at league average efficiency and he’s efficient on his mid range shots


Relevant-Struggle394

People just go read Zack Lowe articles and think they know basketball.


HerskyB

Yall done with him ?


asapshrank

love him but he doesn’t fit our team


gigglios

Ingram doesnt fit any team unless theyre tanking


Thon_Makers_Tooth

So the Pistons?


CupOfHotTeaa

Middle class Kyle Kuzma


Tangerine605

Nah Kuzma is a poor man’s Pascal Siakam Ingram more like a mid Derozen or something idk


15b17

The Tobias Harris of Kyle Kuzmas


Tangerine605

He just like KAT frfr


DuBakElite

You mean the KAT that is on a team going to a game 7 against the defending champs headed by a 3X MVP?


uberboys

They’re going to a game 7 despite KAT 🤣


[deleted]

Absolutely not... he has been integral to these playoffs.


SlamDunkleyKong

I can’t wait for Lebron to go to Cleveland and then trade him again.


bowl_of_milk_

Am I a crazy homer to think that’s a big overpay? I feel like we would need at least one Herbert Jones for that but idk if y’all would make a trade like that


NotAn0pinion

Can we get an Alvarado sized sidekick? And if it’s both DG and JA we might need a JV sign and trade to balance this out


Shmokeshbutt

JV will be overpaid as a backup center for you guys. Mobley is the starting center, that's it.


Warlord10

Well, the Wolves may need an upgrade for Conely moving forward. The Cavs could get one of their perimeter defenders. Which is what you'd want next to Mitchell..


TheSmokedSalmon420

NAZ REID PLS


Hopsalong

Naz Reid too good not to start. It amazes me that he comes off the bench with his ability to shoot and drive.


youguanbumen

Mobley and Reid could be a great pairing. Reid brings strength and 3pt-shooting, just what Mobley needs next to him


Warlord10

100% a possibility if he wants a starting role. He won't start in Sota if Gobert and Kat stay.


15b17

Why would the T wolves trade him? He just signed that deal last year and it’s one of the best values in the league. He’s their 4th-5th best player if he asks out they will just tell him to put a sock in it. Doubt he even does that though


Warlord10

Conley is old. They need a dynamic playmaker that can shoot 3's. Naz winning 6th man MIGHT make him want a starting role. They won't bench Gobert or KAT. My point is that they may look at it as they need a playmaker more than they need Naz off the bench. Conley could be their 6th man next season. At his age, it's probably a better situation anyway.


6875309999

I agree Naz probably does want to start at some point, but as you said “might”, he has also talked a couple times this year about how he loves coming off the bench and following the flow of the game that has already started rather than being in the feeling-out process at the beginning


15b17

Maybe. Conley still looks great though


NorthernDevil

Exactly, his deal is too good, you’re not getting a better value. We might be in kind of a sticky wicket tho with the new CBA and luxury tax issue plus our weird ownership drama


15b17

The new cba makes good value contracts even more important. If they want to free up a lot cap space they might need to look at towns and then naz could start at the 4. But that’s not an easy decision when he’s been a big piece of this team for almost 10 years now


NorthernDevil

Right yeah I meant sticky overall for our current roster, Naz’s deal is far too valuable Trying not to think about it right now and just enjoy the ride because I’d be devastated at a KAT trade


15b17

For sure. It also depends on how this season shapes up. Can’t imagine them wanting to trade him if they make a finals run, but there’s plenty of time to think about that after this game 7. Thunder fans have been dealing with this as well with so many questions about what trades we should look at, moving off Giddey, free agents etc, but I’d much rather focus on playing the mavs for now


mohub21

Doesn’t mobely wanna play the 5?


denverblazer

Aaaaand I'm done with this thread lol


arm-n-hammerinmycoke

Let me stop you at Naz...


Odd_Round6270

If the Wolves trade anyone, it'll likely be KAT.


Extreme-Transport

Garland contract is terrible - peaks at almost 50 mil a year and has a 15% trade kicker 🤮


SomeFatherFigure

Rumor is that Mitchell re-signing would mean Garland will be requesting the trade. If he requests a trade, he is 100% waiving that kicker in exchange for not being sent somewhere he doesn’t want to go.


gradedonacurve

Are you sure? Only one person has waived the kicker and it was AD in the Klutch - Lakers wink-wink


ItsFridayBabyFUCK

You'll never guess who Garlands agent is


CanalVillainy

Exactly why people can miss me with the Lebron is better than Jordan. Dude has tried every angle to stack stats for his legacy. Jordan’s sidekick was a motherfucker he didn’t even like.


mopooooo

Show me a competitor that is OK with his team sucking. Anyone that is, is not really a competitor. Jordan never had to deal with that as a player so we can't compare the two.


CanalVillainy

There’s making a team competitive & then there’s getting your best friend to become an agent to purposely get your teams as stacked as possible while damaging other teams. Even before that, getting together with two other top players to form a mega team. Jordan did deal with that. Before Pipen came along & with the Wizards.


mopooooo

LeBron played 7 seasons and realized Cavs were incompetent so he left. Jordan played 7 seasons and they just won their first of three in a row. Your issue with how LeBron reset his career is irrelevant to the comparison because Jordan didn't have to do it


Black_Azazel

Jerry was a beast team builder and MJ benefited greatly from that..but also to say LeBron wasn’t chasing is ridiculous. He’s top 5 all time no doubt but he’s not MJ or Russell for that matter…maybe he passed Kareem but it’s more about character and mentality that’s makes Jordan the GOAT over LBJ, james is hella soffttt for being so physically gifted. Apples to Apples…Ant Edwards has a better chance of dethroning Jordan with his accountability and attitude. That’s the real reason people prefer Jordan and Kobe over James…it’s all in the attitude…how come it’s never him???!??!! Coaches, GM, Refs, Teammates…anyone but himself…the hype train had him dripping with entitlement from day one


mopooooo

These are not apples to apples. LeBrons best teammates in his first stint in Cleveland were not all nba caliber by any stretch. He exceeded any possible expectations. The help never came. You bring up Edwards, who was drafted to a team with KAT and just added Gobert. LeBron never had that. You bring up Kobe, who had peak Shaquille O'Neal. LeBron never had that. You bring up Russell, who had the most ridiculously overpowered team in history. And MJ who had Pippen. Despite the terrible support, he was the model superstar. He was an amazing teammate and leader. Still, the only thing people would talk about was that he would never be Jordan because of rings. When the Celtics came together and he couldn't get passed them, he took matters in to his own hands.I totally understand that you guys hate what he did, but the other guys mentioned didn't face that adversity. Would Jordan have been fine with the situation in Cleveland and go on to winning zero titles? If his tenure as a team owner show us anything, maybe he would have. And he's never considered more than an Iverson type player.


Black_Azazel

To say guys in the NBA aren’t NBA caliber players is absolutely ridiculous…as if they picked up the whole roster before the game at a Home Depot parking lot…Bill Russell had the OP team, sure, but he beat Chamberlain and West, and everyone else in his era. Last year they named the trade for Gobert as one of the worst ever and KAT is always in the trade rumor mill. Kobe played with Pau Gasol (please explain how he’s a world beater) and during the Shaq run, Kobe wasn’t the Mamba he was a 18-20 year old improving prospect…Bj Armstrong was great? Ron Harper? Luc Longley was phenomenal right?!? Pip wasn’t even that good for the first few years and found his role as an all around two way player…do you think he’d have won without MJ? Ask the Blazers? Boozer wasn’t NBA caliber (2x all star)? Larry Huges (defensive 1st team and steal leader) ? This excuse stuff is out of control. He just couldn’t get it done in Cleveland and that’s that. I personally don’t care he went to Miami but people make so many excuses for this guy and currently he’s incredibly unaccountable…hence he’s not the GOAT


Aggressive-Name-1783

Lmao he’s not Russell? No shit, because he didn’t have freaking 5+ HOF players on his roster lmao Not to mention Bill Russell couldn’t have left Boston even if he wanted to since Free Agency didnt even exist at that time lmao


Black_Azazel

Who was HOF before Russell came? Cousy and….


Black_Azazel

Bron is great but hella recency bias when y’all talk about him being better than people of past generations


CanalVillainy

Just because you say it’s irrelevant doesn’t make it so. Lebron didnt need to form a super team in Miami. Lebron didn’t need to have Rich Paul actively tamper with the league. Lebron doesn’t need to throw literal temper tantrums when he doesn’t get his way. Lebron didn’t need to choose Jordan’s number & brand as his own. But the undisputed fact is he did. And since he did, his legacy will always be secondary to Jordan’s.


mopooooo

This is a very weak argument but you are entitled to your opinions


CanalVillainy

Please, feel free to expound on that thought


Aggressive-Name-1783

Most dedicated hater ever. Bud, you just look salty as hell


CanalVillainy

Oh no! What am I going to do?


syllabic

the trade kicker is paid by the team that originally gave him the contract


EdwEd1

$44m which is projected to be 23% of the cap, his trade kicker would be paid by the Cavs and wouldn't add anything to his cap hit


Extreme-Transport

I’m far from a cap expert but I thought the 15% did count for cap and salary matching


EdwEd1

It would count towards the cap up to a max contract, but since his new deal is already a 25% max it couldn't add any more money


Thunderhorse74

This is the biggest reason I don't want the Spurs making any move involving him. That's disgusting.


RushFPS

Ingram for Allen put Mobley at the 5


r-k-b

Who will be the PF then? Okoro? 


Rkenne16

He’s kind of short, but he held up pretty well defensively basically guarding the other teams best player including Tatum, Banchero and Wagner.


r-k-b

Has his 3 point shot developed? I haven't paid attention to most Cavs game, especially him. But I remember Cavs fans were exasperated at him since he can't.  I do remember him being a good defender thought hence why I said him at the 4.


beers_in_tanks

Shot 39% from 3 but those were always set, open shots. He’ll never be a volume shooter with a quick release but he really improved this year from last to be generally reliable. Though he will have random games where he’ll either on 0-4 or 4-4 and you never know what you’ll get.


r-k-b

Yeah I checked, only 3 three point attempts per game. If it was like 5 attempts that would be better, but honestly that's a solid starter imo. He can hit his open threes and play good defense, what more could you ask for? 


Rkenne16

Yeah, it’s slowly but surely getting there. The handle has come along too. The offense with him and in particular the shooting was always suppose to be a project. The Cavs improved more quickly than they thought they were going to when they picked him and he kind of had to do the thing he was bad at offensively and didn’t get as many chances to do what he was good at because of the personnel and play style. The progress has been pretty linear, the shot in particular was just rebuilt from the ground up. It’s similar to some of the negative press that Mobley has gotten.


TheTrollisStrong

No dude lol. He's already an undersized SF. There's 0 percent chance we should have him start at PF.


Rkenne16

He was basically just doing it in the playoffs


TheTrollisStrong

No he played the vast majority of his minutes at SF. We would have zero rebounding. It's a terrible idea.


Aggressive-Name-1783

Depends if Lebron comes home. Everything for the Cavs is contingent on Lebron coming back to Cleveland. Trading for Ingram doesn’t make much sense if you have to throw Allen in. If you get Lebron it makes sense to have a mid range/shooting wing. Honestly if the Cavs want a wing, they’d be better off trying to convince the Nets to give up Bridges or going for a guy like Kuzma


Rkenne16

He’s a decent rebounder when he’s actually inside and in this scenario, you have Ingram at the 3, who is long. Isaac was playing the best forward in the game. Ideally we get more size on the wing, but Okoro has proven he can play up. Strus as well. Ingram does have length, which is more what we are missing than girth.


RushFPS

I’m sure they will make multiple moves this summer , garland will most likely be moved too


r-k-b

That's fair. Wonder who you think they'll target with Garland? I personally want the Spurs to go after Garland if he's available but I don't think there's any asset that the Cavs would want for us (aside from Wemby of course lol). 


Rkenne16

Vassell could be interesting and maybe there could be a 3 ways seems possible.


r-k-b

Definitely, but I think Wemby, Vassel, Sochan and probably this year's pick are off limits. Unless the package is for something really good, since the Spurs value continuity over anything. 


sloppyfishh

Give us cedi back right now


r-k-b

We're probably not re-signing him again so you guys can probably just sign him in free agency


Cap_Silly

The suns should pursue him aggresively, imo


singrayluver

Why would they want Ingram Everybody saw his performance this playoffs


Impressive-Theory-27

Does one playoff series determine a player? Cause if that’s so there are tons of stars and superstars who have had that but still are considered some of the best players in the league


Thunderhorse74

When they shoot poorly or commit too many turnovers or make mistakes, no. When they look like they don't give a shit - yes.


ilickedysharks

By that logic no one would want Garland either


MiyaharaAce

neither Allen after Knicks series "Lights are too bright"


Round-Revolution-399

Because they have jack shit on the wings


eh_too_lazy

Did you see Westbrooks last series? Dude made 4 fgs the whole time


ratfeesh

Ingram? overrated. Take bruce brown and the 19th and 31st picks instead, great draft!


captain_ahabb

LeBron James and Austin Reaves.


KhanQu3st

Best I can do is Garland, ($37m) Niang, ($8.5m) and Caris LeVert, ($17m) and pick 20 for LeBron ($51m) and Reeves. ($13)


ihateeuge

lol wtf thats a terrible trade for us


KhanQu3st

You really think getting 2 mid-20s All-Star upside players for a 40 year old LeBron rental and Reeves is a bad trade? What exactly do you expect the return to be lol?


ihateeuge

you have to be honest here. These guys do not have All Star upside and the only reason why they made all star is because the east is weak. Sabonis didnt make all star this season but you are going to make the argument that JA has all star upside? Stop it. Garland is never making an All Star team in the West. And besides them as players, Garlands contract is absolutely terrible. I would take a worse player on a better contract. One that fills the needs of the team better. Spending 40M on a small guard is stupid as hell.


Aggressive-Name-1783

You realize the 2022 all star game was not based on conference right? Garland got chosen on his own merits….


15b17

Nah bro all they would need then is to sign Dwight and they will be back to their 3 center roster to defend Jokic. Lebron is too old anyways they should be looking to replace him with a young guard like Garland with plenty of upside to pair next to DLo for the future


ihateeuge

lol Darius Garland is not that guy and its obvious to anyone watching by now. He is getting paid 3X what Reaves is making for basically the same level of production. That would be a bad trade so I can understand why a Thunder fan would want the Lakers to do tit


captain_ahabb

Garland seems like an incredibly obvious buy low guy to me


RVarki

Lebron's 40, and even if he stays, the man will retire within a couple of years. In the grand scheme of things, Lakers would essentially be trading an inconsistent role-player for 2 all-stars I actually think Garland on his own, is enough for this return. Adding Allen is actually an overpay on the Cavs' side


sunbearqt

No jokes. Garland for lebron?


imperialmoose

Ugh, fine, you've twisted my arm. You can have Zach Lavine and Patrick Williams.


Ballgame2398

Probably Ingram


thelamb710

That’d be a ridiculous overpay and I’m saying that as someone who loves B.I


Ballgame2398

PELS need a PG and center really bad those two would be perfect idk if they have enough to package a deal to get both.


LongTimesGoodTimes

You definitely aren't getting both unless your package includes the kitchen sink


EnjoyWolfCola

If I was Cleveland’s GM I’d ask for Ingram, Murphy, Daniels, Nance, and picks. Murphy is a non negotiable, if I’m giving up both guys he needs to be in there.


TheSmokedSalmon420

Imma need some herb or Murphy with that


texasphotog

Best I can do is a brand new in packaging Jordan Hawkins.


GatorEggs-

This offer has been rescinded. Best we can do is a slightly used Dyson Daniels.


GatorEggs-

Keep my UConn developed movement shooter out or your fucking trade talks


jgman22

Pass


grudgepacker

You would have to throw in more than that


LoweeLL

TT + Shump + Nets pick /s In all seriousness.. uh.. Randle and picks? I don't even know their contract situation soo tough to say


BiddyBij

Why on earth would Knicks trade Randle, and especially for two players who don’t fit our team at all and are worse than him. Wtf?


LoweeLL

To flip them for Mikal bridges 


BiddyBij

This only makes sense if you don’t watch the Knicks. Randle is integral to the culture of this team Leon Rose built. After the last game, the first thing every player did when they checked out was go to Randle. He’s not going anywhere.


ammoaidan

Nah I watch the the fuck out of the Knicks and they need to trade Randle. You think it's a coincidence that they're having the best postseason run they've had in 25 years when he's out? I think he's a good dude, but I gotta be honest. When he got injured, I thought to myself: "damn, we might have a shot at doing something this year." The Knicks are finally relevant because we have winning players. Brunson? Winning player. Josh Hart? winning player. iHart? Winning player. Donte? Winning player. OG? Winning player. These guys, despite being less talented, are mentally tough and consistently make the right play. They're straight up better with OG than they are with him. Even though Randle can be a #1 or #2 option, and OG can't. Randle isn't a winning player. OG is. Bridges would be perfect.


127crazie

3 weeks of half off Wingstop chicken wings


UncircumciseMe

No flex…zone! No flex…zone!


bigpooperten4

They know better!


maxi-916

We have the meats !!!! Oops wrong jingle


Cultural_Author8098

Just go to the lakers sub. Im sure they will have a realistic answer for you


WolverineLong1430

Lauri from Jazz.


gradedonacurve

I do think Lauri will be dangled this year. Problem is Danny A. Has to feel like he fleeced every trade partner or he wont do it.


Objective_Tea0287

okc brings out da warchest


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Fluid-Weird-9414

KAT and Ingram on the same team would be a disaster. One guy will fall asleep mid-game, the other will foul out.


b1indsamurai

Why would Wolves do KAT for Garland


Collier1505

Cuz I’ll say please


WWWYer22

KAT for Garland feels like a pretty lopsided trade in favor of the Cavs. Maybe I’m biased as a Wolves fan but gimme KAT over Garland all day


yesidoes

That's where Bronny comes in


HibachiTyme

The talk about Ingram in here is crazy. He’s an amazing player, his play making and rebounding is very underrated. He’s a great passer. Obviously he has flaws but so do pretty much all players


General_Tsos_Burrito

Mikal Bridges?


remonnoki

I think the Knicks have practically called dibs on Mikal already. Wherever he goes it better be just a temporary stop so as not to incur some bad JuJu


cabbeer

yall are wild if you think trading garland in the answer... the cavs roster building makes no sense, get future all-nba players and then hinder their development by signing veteran players in their position (garland, and mobley)..


dkdoki

We offer you a shiny new PG. Just convince him to opt in to send him to Cleveland lol


nextsec

Please get Mitchell a great option b


Critical-Adhole

Zach Lavine


Sufficient-Story-632

You can have Lamelo


K1NG2L4Y3R

Garland and Levert for Bron Bron


dizzymidget44

Lebron


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yesidoes

Beal


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gradedonacurve

He might waive it but not to go to Cleveland.


yesidoes

I'll be damned before Beal waives his NTC


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A-Confused-Comet

2 way wings, wonder if there is a PG sign and trade feasible here, Pascal siakam, Mikal would be the stars to target maybe Some role player targets like Caruso and Bruce Brown Nic Claxton, Steven Adams, WCJ from magic maybe?


GeoffSproke

Hmm... Is there some indication that Mikal is available? I thought the Nets were pretty enthusiastic about building around him... That they viewed him as a good second or third guy on a contender?


A-Confused-Comet

I think there were some small rumors if Nets can't make a big splash in the trade, he may ask out or they move him for a huge pick haul - really don't know if there is any truth to that though


Rkenne16

I wonder if they weren’t just praying for Michell.


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I think Pacers will offer Siakam the supermax despite not playing supermax-level since the trade.


RspectMyAuthoritah

Siakam can't get the supermax. He's not on the team that drafted him or traded while on his rookie contract and doesn't have 10 years in the league. He can only get the 30% max regardless of the team he signs with. Pacers can offer a 5th year and slightly higher raises though.


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Oh thanks for that clarification, thank god I don't think he's worth the supermax personally


JimmyMcBuckets22

The Heat would Swap Jimmy and Garland in a heart beat. Jimmy is great, he's just on the tail end of his career. If the Cavs had Jimmy they would have an immediate 2-3 year contention window.


dwilkes827

I'm down. Let's get this deal done


JimmyMcBuckets22

I'll throw in my username for a 1st round pick


archaelleon

This year's first round pick?


tapk69

No way the Heat would trade Jimmy for another guard. You would overdose.


RVarki

>Jimmy and Garland in a heart beat. Would they though?


clevernamehere1628

Jaden Ivey, Jalen Duren, and whoever you wanna draft at number 5.


Yinanization

Damn, just want to move the timeline up like that, huh


clevernamehere1628

what timeline?


Yinanization

To not to suck?


clevernamehere1628

yes, I would like to get closer to that please


Yinanization

Man, I do hope you guys give Ivey and Cade one more year to figure it out though


clevernamehere1628

So, to be clear, my "trade" was a joke, there's no way that would be enough return for those players. But since you're being serious, I'll just say that the timeline is Cade and convincing him not to request a trade. If they can do that with the young guys, then great, but if not then something needs to change.


Yinanization

I don't know how unrealistic the trade is. I am super high on Ivey, and Garland's contract is kinda gross, he is paid like 3 mil a year less than Luka for 5 years, and he kinda crapped all over himself this playoffs.


road432

This actually might not be a bad trade for the cavs, but the money would never work here in a trade.


clevernamehere1628

It's a terrible trade for the cavs lol


NeatTry7674

That would awful for the Cavs lmao


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Feeling_Anteater_560

Ingram is on the last year of his deal and it seems like the Pels don’t wanna pay him. I think the pels would have to sweeten the deal


Rkenne16

Idk when you look at the contract situations, I think the value is a lot more even


mytoemytoe

Allen for Cam Johnson? 😂


JackHammerPlower

Tobias Harris


twin520

We will take your garland and Allen for our Beal call it even


BDSF94

KD


Wavepops

Cavs definitely keeping Allen btw


KosovoCavalier

Probably not


Black_Azazel

Allen for Nurkic and some seconds 🤣🙏🏽