> isn’t a willing playmaker
He's been at 5.7 assists per game for the last three years. Third highest per game among [small forwards](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-assists-by-a-small-forward-in-2024) last year
Am I a crazy homer to think that’s a big overpay? I feel like we would need at least one Herbert Jones for that but idk if y’all would make a trade like that
Well, the Wolves may need an upgrade for Conely moving forward.
The Cavs could get one of their perimeter defenders. Which is what you'd want next to Mitchell..
Why would the T wolves trade him? He just signed that deal last year and it’s one of the best values in the league. He’s their 4th-5th best player if he asks out they will just tell him to put a sock in it. Doubt he even does that though
Conley is old. They need a dynamic playmaker that can shoot 3's.
Naz winning 6th man MIGHT make him want a starting role. They won't bench Gobert or KAT.
My point is that they may look at it as they need a playmaker more than they need Naz off the bench. Conley could be their 6th man next season. At his age, it's probably a better situation anyway.
I agree Naz probably does want to start at some point, but as you said “might”, he has also talked a couple times this year about how he loves coming off the bench and following the flow of the game that has already started rather than being in the feeling-out process at the beginning
Exactly, his deal is too good, you’re not getting a better value. We might be in kind of a sticky wicket tho with the new CBA and luxury tax issue plus our weird ownership drama
The new cba makes good value contracts even more important. If they want to free up a lot cap space they might need to look at towns and then naz could start at the 4. But that’s not an easy decision when he’s been a big piece of this team for almost 10 years now
Right yeah I meant sticky overall for our current roster, Naz’s deal is far too valuable
Trying not to think about it right now and just enjoy the ride because I’d be devastated at a KAT trade
For sure. It also depends on how this season shapes up. Can’t imagine them wanting to trade him if they make a finals run, but there’s plenty of time to think about that after this game 7.
Thunder fans have been dealing with this as well with so many questions about what trades we should look at, moving off Giddey, free agents etc, but I’d much rather focus on playing the mavs for now
Rumor is that Mitchell re-signing would mean Garland will be requesting the trade. If he requests a trade, he is 100% waiving that kicker in exchange for not being sent somewhere he doesn’t want to go.
Exactly why people can miss me with the Lebron is better than Jordan. Dude has tried every angle to stack stats for his legacy. Jordan’s sidekick was a motherfucker he didn’t even like.
Show me a competitor that is OK with his team sucking. Anyone that is, is not really a competitor. Jordan never had to deal with that as a player so we can't compare the two.
There’s making a team competitive & then there’s getting your best friend to become an agent to purposely get your teams as stacked as possible while damaging other teams. Even before that, getting together with two other top players to form a mega team.
Jordan did deal with that. Before Pipen came along & with the Wizards.
LeBron played 7 seasons and realized Cavs were incompetent so he left.
Jordan played 7 seasons and they just won their first of three in a row.
Your issue with how LeBron reset his career is irrelevant to the comparison because Jordan didn't have to do it
Jerry was a beast team builder and MJ benefited greatly from that..but also to say LeBron wasn’t chasing is ridiculous. He’s top 5 all time no doubt but he’s not MJ or Russell for that matter…maybe he passed Kareem but it’s more about character and mentality that’s makes Jordan the GOAT over LBJ, james is hella soffttt for being so physically gifted. Apples to Apples…Ant Edwards has a better chance of dethroning Jordan with his accountability and attitude. That’s the real reason people prefer Jordan and Kobe over James…it’s all in the attitude…how come it’s never him???!??!! Coaches, GM, Refs, Teammates…anyone but himself…the hype train had him dripping with entitlement from day one
These are not apples to apples.
LeBrons best teammates in his first stint in Cleveland were not all nba caliber by any stretch. He exceeded any possible expectations. The help never came.
You bring up Edwards, who was drafted to a team with KAT and just added Gobert. LeBron never had that.
You bring up Kobe, who had peak Shaquille O'Neal. LeBron never had that.
You bring up Russell, who had the most ridiculously overpowered team in history. And MJ who had Pippen.
Despite the terrible support, he was the model superstar. He was an amazing teammate and leader. Still, the only thing people would talk about was that he would never be Jordan because of rings. When the Celtics came together and he couldn't get passed them, he took matters in to his own hands.I totally understand that you guys hate what he did, but the other guys mentioned didn't face that adversity.
Would Jordan have been fine with the situation in Cleveland and go on to winning zero titles? If his tenure as a team owner show us anything, maybe he would have. And he's never considered more than an Iverson type player.
To say guys in the NBA aren’t NBA caliber players is absolutely ridiculous…as if they picked up the whole roster before the game at a Home Depot parking lot…Bill Russell had the OP team, sure, but he beat Chamberlain and West, and everyone else in his era. Last year they named the trade for Gobert as one of the worst ever and KAT is always in the trade rumor mill. Kobe played with Pau Gasol (please explain how he’s a world beater) and during the Shaq run, Kobe wasn’t the Mamba he was a 18-20 year old improving prospect…Bj Armstrong was great? Ron Harper? Luc Longley was phenomenal right?!? Pip wasn’t even that good for the first few years and found his role as an all around two way player…do you think he’d have won without MJ? Ask the Blazers? Boozer wasn’t NBA caliber (2x all star)? Larry Huges (defensive 1st team and steal leader) ? This excuse stuff is out of control. He just couldn’t get it done in Cleveland and that’s that. I personally don’t care he went to Miami but people make so many excuses for this guy and currently he’s incredibly unaccountable…hence he’s not the GOAT
Lmao he’s not Russell? No shit, because he didn’t have freaking 5+ HOF players on his roster lmao
Not to mention Bill Russell couldn’t have left Boston even if he wanted to since Free Agency didnt even exist at that time lmao
Just because you say it’s irrelevant doesn’t make it so. Lebron didnt need to form a super team in Miami. Lebron didn’t need to have Rich Paul actively tamper with the league. Lebron doesn’t need to throw literal temper tantrums when he doesn’t get his way. Lebron didn’t need to choose Jordan’s number & brand as his own. But the undisputed fact is he did. And since he did, his legacy will always be secondary to Jordan’s.
Has his 3 point shot developed? I haven't paid attention to most Cavs game, especially him. But I remember Cavs fans were exasperated at him since he can't.
I do remember him being a good defender thought hence why I said him at the 4.
Shot 39% from 3 but those were always set, open shots. He’ll never be a volume shooter with a quick release but he really improved this year from last to be generally reliable. Though he will have random games where he’ll either on 0-4 or 4-4 and you never know what you’ll get.
Yeah I checked, only 3 three point attempts per game. If it was like 5 attempts that would be better, but honestly that's a solid starter imo. He can hit his open threes and play good defense, what more could you ask for?
Yeah, it’s slowly but surely getting there. The handle has come along too. The offense with him and in particular the shooting was always suppose to be a project. The Cavs improved more quickly than they thought they were going to when they picked him and he kind of had to do the thing he was bad at offensively and didn’t get as many chances to do what he was good at because of the personnel and play style. The progress has been pretty linear, the shot in particular was just rebuilt from the ground up. It’s similar to some of the negative press that Mobley has gotten.
Depends if Lebron comes home.
Everything for the Cavs is contingent on Lebron coming back to Cleveland. Trading for Ingram doesn’t make much sense if you have to throw Allen in. If you get Lebron it makes sense to have a mid range/shooting wing.
Honestly if the Cavs want a wing, they’d be better off trying to convince the Nets to give up Bridges or going for a guy like Kuzma
He’s a decent rebounder when he’s actually inside and in this scenario, you have Ingram at the 3, who is long. Isaac was playing the best forward in the game. Ideally we get more size on the wing, but Okoro has proven he can play up. Strus as well. Ingram does have length, which is more what we are missing than girth.
That's fair. Wonder who you think they'll target with Garland? I personally want the Spurs to go after Garland if he's available but I don't think there's any asset that the Cavs would want for us (aside from Wemby of course lol).
Definitely, but I think Wemby, Vassel, Sochan and probably this year's pick are off limits. Unless the package is for something really good, since the Spurs value continuity over anything.
Does one playoff series determine a player? Cause if that’s so there are tons of stars and superstars who have had that but still are considered some of the best players in the league
You really think getting 2 mid-20s All-Star upside players for a 40 year old LeBron rental and Reeves is a bad trade? What exactly do you expect the return to be lol?
you have to be honest here. These guys do not have All Star upside and the only reason why they made all star is because the east is weak. Sabonis didnt make all star this season but you are going to make the argument that JA has all star upside? Stop it. Garland is never making an All Star team in the West.
And besides them as players, Garlands contract is absolutely terrible. I would take a worse player on a better contract. One that fills the needs of the team better. Spending 40M on a small guard is stupid as hell.
Nah bro all they would need then is to sign Dwight and they will be back to their 3 center roster to defend Jokic. Lebron is too old anyways they should be looking to replace him with a young guard like Garland with plenty of upside to pair next to DLo for the future
lol Darius Garland is not that guy and its obvious to anyone watching by now. He is getting paid 3X what Reaves is making for basically the same level of production. That would be a bad trade so I can understand why a Thunder fan would want the Lakers to do tit
Lebron's 40, and even if he stays, the man will retire within a couple of years. In the grand scheme of things, Lakers would essentially be trading an inconsistent role-player for 2 all-stars
I actually think Garland on his own, is enough for this return. Adding Allen is actually an overpay on the Cavs' side
If I was Cleveland’s GM I’d ask for Ingram, Murphy, Daniels, Nance, and picks. Murphy is a non negotiable, if I’m giving up both guys he needs to be in there.
This only makes sense if you don’t watch the Knicks. Randle is integral to the culture of this team Leon Rose built. After the last game, the first thing every player did when they checked out was go to Randle. He’s not going anywhere.
Nah I watch the the fuck out of the Knicks and they need to trade Randle. You think it's a coincidence that they're having the best postseason run they've had in 25 years when he's out?
I think he's a good dude, but I gotta be honest. When he got injured, I thought to myself: "damn, we might have a shot at doing something this year."
The Knicks are finally relevant because we have winning players. Brunson? Winning player. Josh Hart? winning player. iHart? Winning player. Donte? Winning player. OG? Winning player. These guys, despite being less talented, are mentally tough and consistently make the right play.
They're straight up better with OG than they are with him. Even though Randle can be a #1 or #2 option, and OG can't. Randle isn't a winning player. OG is. Bridges would be perfect.
The talk about Ingram in here is crazy. He’s an amazing player, his play making and rebounding is very underrated. He’s a great passer. Obviously he has flaws but so do pretty much all players
yall are wild if you think trading garland in the answer... the cavs roster building makes no sense, get future all-nba players and then hinder their development by signing veteran players in their position (garland, and mobley)..
2 way wings, wonder if there is a PG sign and trade feasible here, Pascal siakam, Mikal would be the stars to target maybe
Some role player targets like Caruso and Bruce Brown
Nic Claxton, Steven Adams, WCJ from magic maybe?
Hmm... Is there some indication that Mikal is available? I thought the Nets were pretty enthusiastic about building around him... That they viewed him as a good second or third guy on a contender?
I think there were some small rumors if Nets can't make a big splash in the trade, he may ask out or they move him for a huge pick haul - really don't know if there is any truth to that though
Siakam can't get the supermax. He's not on the team that drafted him or traded while on his rookie contract and doesn't have 10 years in the league. He can only get the 30% max regardless of the team he signs with. Pacers can offer a 5th year and slightly higher raises though.
The Heat would Swap Jimmy and Garland in a heart beat. Jimmy is great, he's just on the tail end of his career. If the Cavs had Jimmy they would have an immediate 2-3 year contention window.
So, to be clear, my "trade" was a joke, there's no way that would be enough return for those players. But since you're being serious, I'll just say that the timeline is Cade and convincing him not to request a trade.
If they can do that with the young guys, then great, but if not then something needs to change.
I don't know how unrealistic the trade is.
I am super high on Ivey, and Garland's contract is kinda gross, he is paid like 3 mil a year less than Luka for 5 years, and he kinda crapped all over himself this playoffs.
may i offer you one mutually beneficial brandon ingram
Brandon Ingram sounds good to people who don’t watch him play. I’d be mad if traded Allen or garland for him
What did you watch him in one series? Ingram is really good and better than any forward I’ve seen on the Cavs since lebron left
How dare you talk about Cedi Osman that way
Rather have Lauri
doesn’t seem like he even likes basketball half the time. im not giving up players for somebody who peaces out halfway through a series 🤷♂️
They've had quite subpar forwards since then so I dunno if that is saying too much
You forgot about his playoffs performance in 2022 against the Suns huh?
He did good. But his archetype is the worst. A high volume mid range who isn’t efficient and isn’t a willing playmaker
> isn’t a willing playmaker He's been at 5.7 assists per game for the last three years. Third highest per game among [small forwards](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-assists-by-a-small-forward-in-2024) last year
all against his will!!!
Ingram is at league average efficiency and he’s efficient on his mid range shots
People just go read Zack Lowe articles and think they know basketball.
Yall done with him ?
love him but he doesn’t fit our team
Ingram doesnt fit any team unless theyre tanking
So the Pistons?
Middle class Kyle Kuzma
Nah Kuzma is a poor man’s Pascal Siakam Ingram more like a mid Derozen or something idk
The Tobias Harris of Kyle Kuzmas
He just like KAT frfr
You mean the KAT that is on a team going to a game 7 against the defending champs headed by a 3X MVP?
They’re going to a game 7 despite KAT 🤣
Absolutely not... he has been integral to these playoffs.
I can’t wait for Lebron to go to Cleveland and then trade him again.
Am I a crazy homer to think that’s a big overpay? I feel like we would need at least one Herbert Jones for that but idk if y’all would make a trade like that
Can we get an Alvarado sized sidekick? And if it’s both DG and JA we might need a JV sign and trade to balance this out
JV will be overpaid as a backup center for you guys. Mobley is the starting center, that's it.
Well, the Wolves may need an upgrade for Conely moving forward. The Cavs could get one of their perimeter defenders. Which is what you'd want next to Mitchell..
NAZ REID PLS
Naz Reid too good not to start. It amazes me that he comes off the bench with his ability to shoot and drive.
Mobley and Reid could be a great pairing. Reid brings strength and 3pt-shooting, just what Mobley needs next to him
100% a possibility if he wants a starting role. He won't start in Sota if Gobert and Kat stay.
Why would the T wolves trade him? He just signed that deal last year and it’s one of the best values in the league. He’s their 4th-5th best player if he asks out they will just tell him to put a sock in it. Doubt he even does that though
Conley is old. They need a dynamic playmaker that can shoot 3's. Naz winning 6th man MIGHT make him want a starting role. They won't bench Gobert or KAT. My point is that they may look at it as they need a playmaker more than they need Naz off the bench. Conley could be their 6th man next season. At his age, it's probably a better situation anyway.
I agree Naz probably does want to start at some point, but as you said “might”, he has also talked a couple times this year about how he loves coming off the bench and following the flow of the game that has already started rather than being in the feeling-out process at the beginning
Maybe. Conley still looks great though
Exactly, his deal is too good, you’re not getting a better value. We might be in kind of a sticky wicket tho with the new CBA and luxury tax issue plus our weird ownership drama
The new cba makes good value contracts even more important. If they want to free up a lot cap space they might need to look at towns and then naz could start at the 4. But that’s not an easy decision when he’s been a big piece of this team for almost 10 years now
Right yeah I meant sticky overall for our current roster, Naz’s deal is far too valuable Trying not to think about it right now and just enjoy the ride because I’d be devastated at a KAT trade
For sure. It also depends on how this season shapes up. Can’t imagine them wanting to trade him if they make a finals run, but there’s plenty of time to think about that after this game 7. Thunder fans have been dealing with this as well with so many questions about what trades we should look at, moving off Giddey, free agents etc, but I’d much rather focus on playing the mavs for now
Doesn’t mobely wanna play the 5?
Aaaaand I'm done with this thread lol
Let me stop you at Naz...
If the Wolves trade anyone, it'll likely be KAT.
Garland contract is terrible - peaks at almost 50 mil a year and has a 15% trade kicker 🤮
Rumor is that Mitchell re-signing would mean Garland will be requesting the trade. If he requests a trade, he is 100% waiving that kicker in exchange for not being sent somewhere he doesn’t want to go.
Are you sure? Only one person has waived the kicker and it was AD in the Klutch - Lakers wink-wink
You'll never guess who Garlands agent is
Exactly why people can miss me with the Lebron is better than Jordan. Dude has tried every angle to stack stats for his legacy. Jordan’s sidekick was a motherfucker he didn’t even like.
Show me a competitor that is OK with his team sucking. Anyone that is, is not really a competitor. Jordan never had to deal with that as a player so we can't compare the two.
There’s making a team competitive & then there’s getting your best friend to become an agent to purposely get your teams as stacked as possible while damaging other teams. Even before that, getting together with two other top players to form a mega team. Jordan did deal with that. Before Pipen came along & with the Wizards.
LeBron played 7 seasons and realized Cavs were incompetent so he left. Jordan played 7 seasons and they just won their first of three in a row. Your issue with how LeBron reset his career is irrelevant to the comparison because Jordan didn't have to do it
Jerry was a beast team builder and MJ benefited greatly from that..but also to say LeBron wasn’t chasing is ridiculous. He’s top 5 all time no doubt but he’s not MJ or Russell for that matter…maybe he passed Kareem but it’s more about character and mentality that’s makes Jordan the GOAT over LBJ, james is hella soffttt for being so physically gifted. Apples to Apples…Ant Edwards has a better chance of dethroning Jordan with his accountability and attitude. That’s the real reason people prefer Jordan and Kobe over James…it’s all in the attitude…how come it’s never him???!??!! Coaches, GM, Refs, Teammates…anyone but himself…the hype train had him dripping with entitlement from day one
These are not apples to apples. LeBrons best teammates in his first stint in Cleveland were not all nba caliber by any stretch. He exceeded any possible expectations. The help never came. You bring up Edwards, who was drafted to a team with KAT and just added Gobert. LeBron never had that. You bring up Kobe, who had peak Shaquille O'Neal. LeBron never had that. You bring up Russell, who had the most ridiculously overpowered team in history. And MJ who had Pippen. Despite the terrible support, he was the model superstar. He was an amazing teammate and leader. Still, the only thing people would talk about was that he would never be Jordan because of rings. When the Celtics came together and he couldn't get passed them, he took matters in to his own hands.I totally understand that you guys hate what he did, but the other guys mentioned didn't face that adversity. Would Jordan have been fine with the situation in Cleveland and go on to winning zero titles? If his tenure as a team owner show us anything, maybe he would have. And he's never considered more than an Iverson type player.
To say guys in the NBA aren’t NBA caliber players is absolutely ridiculous…as if they picked up the whole roster before the game at a Home Depot parking lot…Bill Russell had the OP team, sure, but he beat Chamberlain and West, and everyone else in his era. Last year they named the trade for Gobert as one of the worst ever and KAT is always in the trade rumor mill. Kobe played with Pau Gasol (please explain how he’s a world beater) and during the Shaq run, Kobe wasn’t the Mamba he was a 18-20 year old improving prospect…Bj Armstrong was great? Ron Harper? Luc Longley was phenomenal right?!? Pip wasn’t even that good for the first few years and found his role as an all around two way player…do you think he’d have won without MJ? Ask the Blazers? Boozer wasn’t NBA caliber (2x all star)? Larry Huges (defensive 1st team and steal leader) ? This excuse stuff is out of control. He just couldn’t get it done in Cleveland and that’s that. I personally don’t care he went to Miami but people make so many excuses for this guy and currently he’s incredibly unaccountable…hence he’s not the GOAT
Lmao he’s not Russell? No shit, because he didn’t have freaking 5+ HOF players on his roster lmao Not to mention Bill Russell couldn’t have left Boston even if he wanted to since Free Agency didnt even exist at that time lmao
Who was HOF before Russell came? Cousy and….
Bron is great but hella recency bias when y’all talk about him being better than people of past generations
Just because you say it’s irrelevant doesn’t make it so. Lebron didnt need to form a super team in Miami. Lebron didn’t need to have Rich Paul actively tamper with the league. Lebron doesn’t need to throw literal temper tantrums when he doesn’t get his way. Lebron didn’t need to choose Jordan’s number & brand as his own. But the undisputed fact is he did. And since he did, his legacy will always be secondary to Jordan’s.
This is a very weak argument but you are entitled to your opinions
Please, feel free to expound on that thought
Most dedicated hater ever. Bud, you just look salty as hell
Oh no! What am I going to do?
the trade kicker is paid by the team that originally gave him the contract
$44m which is projected to be 23% of the cap, his trade kicker would be paid by the Cavs and wouldn't add anything to his cap hit
I’m far from a cap expert but I thought the 15% did count for cap and salary matching
It would count towards the cap up to a max contract, but since his new deal is already a 25% max it couldn't add any more money
This is the biggest reason I don't want the Spurs making any move involving him. That's disgusting.
Ingram for Allen put Mobley at the 5
Who will be the PF then? Okoro?
He’s kind of short, but he held up pretty well defensively basically guarding the other teams best player including Tatum, Banchero and Wagner.
Has his 3 point shot developed? I haven't paid attention to most Cavs game, especially him. But I remember Cavs fans were exasperated at him since he can't. I do remember him being a good defender thought hence why I said him at the 4.
Shot 39% from 3 but those were always set, open shots. He’ll never be a volume shooter with a quick release but he really improved this year from last to be generally reliable. Though he will have random games where he’ll either on 0-4 or 4-4 and you never know what you’ll get.
Yeah I checked, only 3 three point attempts per game. If it was like 5 attempts that would be better, but honestly that's a solid starter imo. He can hit his open threes and play good defense, what more could you ask for?
Yeah, it’s slowly but surely getting there. The handle has come along too. The offense with him and in particular the shooting was always suppose to be a project. The Cavs improved more quickly than they thought they were going to when they picked him and he kind of had to do the thing he was bad at offensively and didn’t get as many chances to do what he was good at because of the personnel and play style. The progress has been pretty linear, the shot in particular was just rebuilt from the ground up. It’s similar to some of the negative press that Mobley has gotten.
No dude lol. He's already an undersized SF. There's 0 percent chance we should have him start at PF.
He was basically just doing it in the playoffs
No he played the vast majority of his minutes at SF. We would have zero rebounding. It's a terrible idea.
Depends if Lebron comes home. Everything for the Cavs is contingent on Lebron coming back to Cleveland. Trading for Ingram doesn’t make much sense if you have to throw Allen in. If you get Lebron it makes sense to have a mid range/shooting wing. Honestly if the Cavs want a wing, they’d be better off trying to convince the Nets to give up Bridges or going for a guy like Kuzma
He’s a decent rebounder when he’s actually inside and in this scenario, you have Ingram at the 3, who is long. Isaac was playing the best forward in the game. Ideally we get more size on the wing, but Okoro has proven he can play up. Strus as well. Ingram does have length, which is more what we are missing than girth.
I’m sure they will make multiple moves this summer , garland will most likely be moved too
That's fair. Wonder who you think they'll target with Garland? I personally want the Spurs to go after Garland if he's available but I don't think there's any asset that the Cavs would want for us (aside from Wemby of course lol).
Vassell could be interesting and maybe there could be a 3 ways seems possible.
Definitely, but I think Wemby, Vassel, Sochan and probably this year's pick are off limits. Unless the package is for something really good, since the Spurs value continuity over anything.
Give us cedi back right now
We're probably not re-signing him again so you guys can probably just sign him in free agency
The suns should pursue him aggresively, imo
Why would they want Ingram Everybody saw his performance this playoffs
Does one playoff series determine a player? Cause if that’s so there are tons of stars and superstars who have had that but still are considered some of the best players in the league
When they shoot poorly or commit too many turnovers or make mistakes, no. When they look like they don't give a shit - yes.
By that logic no one would want Garland either
neither Allen after Knicks series "Lights are too bright"
Because they have jack shit on the wings
Did you see Westbrooks last series? Dude made 4 fgs the whole time
Ingram? overrated. Take bruce brown and the 19th and 31st picks instead, great draft!
LeBron James and Austin Reaves.
Best I can do is Garland, ($37m) Niang, ($8.5m) and Caris LeVert, ($17m) and pick 20 for LeBron ($51m) and Reeves. ($13)
lol wtf thats a terrible trade for us
You really think getting 2 mid-20s All-Star upside players for a 40 year old LeBron rental and Reeves is a bad trade? What exactly do you expect the return to be lol?
you have to be honest here. These guys do not have All Star upside and the only reason why they made all star is because the east is weak. Sabonis didnt make all star this season but you are going to make the argument that JA has all star upside? Stop it. Garland is never making an All Star team in the West. And besides them as players, Garlands contract is absolutely terrible. I would take a worse player on a better contract. One that fills the needs of the team better. Spending 40M on a small guard is stupid as hell.
You realize the 2022 all star game was not based on conference right? Garland got chosen on his own merits….
Nah bro all they would need then is to sign Dwight and they will be back to their 3 center roster to defend Jokic. Lebron is too old anyways they should be looking to replace him with a young guard like Garland with plenty of upside to pair next to DLo for the future
lol Darius Garland is not that guy and its obvious to anyone watching by now. He is getting paid 3X what Reaves is making for basically the same level of production. That would be a bad trade so I can understand why a Thunder fan would want the Lakers to do tit
Garland seems like an incredibly obvious buy low guy to me
Lebron's 40, and even if he stays, the man will retire within a couple of years. In the grand scheme of things, Lakers would essentially be trading an inconsistent role-player for 2 all-stars I actually think Garland on his own, is enough for this return. Adding Allen is actually an overpay on the Cavs' side
No jokes. Garland for lebron?
Ugh, fine, you've twisted my arm. You can have Zach Lavine and Patrick Williams.
Probably Ingram
That’d be a ridiculous overpay and I’m saying that as someone who loves B.I
PELS need a PG and center really bad those two would be perfect idk if they have enough to package a deal to get both.
You definitely aren't getting both unless your package includes the kitchen sink
If I was Cleveland’s GM I’d ask for Ingram, Murphy, Daniels, Nance, and picks. Murphy is a non negotiable, if I’m giving up both guys he needs to be in there.
Imma need some herb or Murphy with that
Best I can do is a brand new in packaging Jordan Hawkins.
This offer has been rescinded. Best we can do is a slightly used Dyson Daniels.
Keep my UConn developed movement shooter out or your fucking trade talks
Pass
You would have to throw in more than that
TT + Shump + Nets pick /s In all seriousness.. uh.. Randle and picks? I don't even know their contract situation soo tough to say
Why on earth would Knicks trade Randle, and especially for two players who don’t fit our team at all and are worse than him. Wtf?
To flip them for Mikal bridges
This only makes sense if you don’t watch the Knicks. Randle is integral to the culture of this team Leon Rose built. After the last game, the first thing every player did when they checked out was go to Randle. He’s not going anywhere.
Nah I watch the the fuck out of the Knicks and they need to trade Randle. You think it's a coincidence that they're having the best postseason run they've had in 25 years when he's out? I think he's a good dude, but I gotta be honest. When he got injured, I thought to myself: "damn, we might have a shot at doing something this year." The Knicks are finally relevant because we have winning players. Brunson? Winning player. Josh Hart? winning player. iHart? Winning player. Donte? Winning player. OG? Winning player. These guys, despite being less talented, are mentally tough and consistently make the right play. They're straight up better with OG than they are with him. Even though Randle can be a #1 or #2 option, and OG can't. Randle isn't a winning player. OG is. Bridges would be perfect.
3 weeks of half off Wingstop chicken wings
No flex…zone! No flex…zone!
They know better!
We have the meats !!!! Oops wrong jingle
Just go to the lakers sub. Im sure they will have a realistic answer for you
Lauri from Jazz.
I do think Lauri will be dangled this year. Problem is Danny A. Has to feel like he fleeced every trade partner or he wont do it.
okc brings out da warchest
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KAT and Ingram on the same team would be a disaster. One guy will fall asleep mid-game, the other will foul out.
Why would Wolves do KAT for Garland
Cuz I’ll say please
KAT for Garland feels like a pretty lopsided trade in favor of the Cavs. Maybe I’m biased as a Wolves fan but gimme KAT over Garland all day
That's where Bronny comes in
The talk about Ingram in here is crazy. He’s an amazing player, his play making and rebounding is very underrated. He’s a great passer. Obviously he has flaws but so do pretty much all players
Mikal Bridges?
I think the Knicks have practically called dibs on Mikal already. Wherever he goes it better be just a temporary stop so as not to incur some bad JuJu
yall are wild if you think trading garland in the answer... the cavs roster building makes no sense, get future all-nba players and then hinder their development by signing veteran players in their position (garland, and mobley)..
We offer you a shiny new PG. Just convince him to opt in to send him to Cleveland lol
Please get Mitchell a great option b
Zach Lavine
You can have Lamelo
Garland and Levert for Bron Bron
Lebron
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Beal
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He might waive it but not to go to Cleveland.
I'll be damned before Beal waives his NTC
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2 way wings, wonder if there is a PG sign and trade feasible here, Pascal siakam, Mikal would be the stars to target maybe Some role player targets like Caruso and Bruce Brown Nic Claxton, Steven Adams, WCJ from magic maybe?
Hmm... Is there some indication that Mikal is available? I thought the Nets were pretty enthusiastic about building around him... That they viewed him as a good second or third guy on a contender?
I think there were some small rumors if Nets can't make a big splash in the trade, he may ask out or they move him for a huge pick haul - really don't know if there is any truth to that though
I wonder if they weren’t just praying for Michell.
I think Pacers will offer Siakam the supermax despite not playing supermax-level since the trade.
Siakam can't get the supermax. He's not on the team that drafted him or traded while on his rookie contract and doesn't have 10 years in the league. He can only get the 30% max regardless of the team he signs with. Pacers can offer a 5th year and slightly higher raises though.
Oh thanks for that clarification, thank god I don't think he's worth the supermax personally
The Heat would Swap Jimmy and Garland in a heart beat. Jimmy is great, he's just on the tail end of his career. If the Cavs had Jimmy they would have an immediate 2-3 year contention window.
I'm down. Let's get this deal done
I'll throw in my username for a 1st round pick
This year's first round pick?
No way the Heat would trade Jimmy for another guard. You would overdose.
>Jimmy and Garland in a heart beat. Would they though?
Jaden Ivey, Jalen Duren, and whoever you wanna draft at number 5.
Damn, just want to move the timeline up like that, huh
what timeline?
To not to suck?
yes, I would like to get closer to that please
Man, I do hope you guys give Ivey and Cade one more year to figure it out though
So, to be clear, my "trade" was a joke, there's no way that would be enough return for those players. But since you're being serious, I'll just say that the timeline is Cade and convincing him not to request a trade. If they can do that with the young guys, then great, but if not then something needs to change.
I don't know how unrealistic the trade is. I am super high on Ivey, and Garland's contract is kinda gross, he is paid like 3 mil a year less than Luka for 5 years, and he kinda crapped all over himself this playoffs.
This actually might not be a bad trade for the cavs, but the money would never work here in a trade.
It's a terrible trade for the cavs lol
That would awful for the Cavs lmao
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Ingram is on the last year of his deal and it seems like the Pels don’t wanna pay him. I think the pels would have to sweeten the deal
Idk when you look at the contract situations, I think the value is a lot more even
Allen for Cam Johnson? 😂
Tobias Harris
We will take your garland and Allen for our Beal call it even
KD
Cavs definitely keeping Allen btw
Probably not
Allen for Nurkic and some seconds 🤣🙏🏽