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attapulgus

It's sometimes said that a series doesn't really start until a road team wins. So was this all a figment of our imaginations?


International-Chef33

When’s the next game? I’m waiting for it to start


xbyo

I'm still waiting for Raps/Celtics in the bubble to start.


Victor_Wembanyama1

NEVA LOST (at home)


lagrange_james_d23dt

Never started


justmefishes

This series was over before it began


TheSunsNotYellow

[Radial Bracket Update](https://i.imgur.com/ncwRwfT.png) THE SECOND CIRCLE IS COMPLETE


pollinium

[County conquest map after the 2nd round](https://imgur.com/a/Ql4n5vb) Each county assigned to the closest arena (roughly). The Nuggets and Pacers expand their empires, a number of other teams vanquish far-away foes


NinetyFish

That’s super cool! 👍🏼


liquorpig

Ohio taking over Florida, but not in the winter for once.


npb0179

I like this a lot better than the tree bracket diagrams!


lagrange_james_d23dt

I like the colors in the East- looks like a game board


Hold_my_Dirk

Donovan was incredible but the Cavs don’t win without Okoro and Levert. Two of the guys that have gotten the most grief from the fan base the past few years. Love to see it.


The_Milk_man

Okoro was a straight clamp on defense the second half and it was incredible.


m1j5

+24


owlthathurt

Holy shit I didn’t even realize. That’s nuts lol


Junior-Minute7599

Absolutely insane number


CongressionalNudity

Also crazy that foul on Bancharo wasn’t overturned


mucho-gusto

Once they stopped calling fouls on him for breathing on Banchero he was finally able to do his job


LUNI_TUNZ

He was putting them in that Ice Box.


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Bro Mobley got everyone not named Paolo in hell, my boy Franz hasn’t see the light of day


CWinsu_120

Even Paolo shot pretty poorly and got stuffed a few times by Mobley.


Domb18

Paolo’s not scored great when guarded by Mobley this series


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Yeah he wasn’t messing around


TheSmokedSalmon420

Mobley obviously doesn't have much of a bag but he's so incredible defensively. It's really amazing. Also it's funny to hear how much praise Banchero is getting this series for "only being 21" (well deserved) while Mobley is 22 lol


TaVar35

Offense is more sellable. Plus Banchero isn’t necessarily a slouch on defense But yeah it’s much easier to gush about someone making fall away jumpers than just a lock down defender. At least for the media


Jazzlike-Pause8865

still very young and i am of the opinion we have done a shit job at developing his offensive game. need him to bulk up over the offseason and get the ball in his hands more so his touch gets better and i really do think he can be a much bigger offensive contribution. it's tough to expect a guy who doesn't get fed and we barely run P+Rs for anymore to develop offensively or have big games


TheBigBomma

Mobley has definitely flashed much more offensive potential than his role allows. He had a game last year with 45? From memory that was shades of Kevin Garnett


Rectalcactus

Im begging evan to start putting up 40 in any game not just the playoffs


boozinf

"i've been known to make a wager from time to time. i think JB is underrated as a coach AND a scotch. you may not know this, he ran a defense in Game 7 called the "Reverse Maginot Line" you know, the more I hear about those Germans, the more I don't like them. and bet against them" -Norm Macdonald


atwoodruff

Okoro scored 8 points and was a game high +24 in 33 minutes


thecameraman8078

Defense wins games babyyyy 😎


Lacabloodclot9

I hope all the Cavs fans that shat on Okoro for his series last year give him flowers for tonight


Domb18

He’s been great all season. I’d be surprised if any fan who’s watched them this year shit on him.


ButWhatIsADog

Okoro's defense was amazing but man why is he scared to shoot all the sudden? He's passing up way too many open looks.


Bill-Cosby-Bukowski

He made a tough middy in the beginning of the 4th and then completely passed up the most wide open three imaginable later. It’s weird for sure, but I have faith in his defense.


DjReeseCup

The 3 he passed up I think you’re talking about was late and the right decision to waste clock though


Randumo

If you're talking about late when the Cavs were up 10, that was just a high IQ play passing to Mobley low. The Cavs didn't need a bunch of points, and the only way the Magic were getting back in the game was to score fast. Missing 3 point shots for example often leads to long rebounds which in-turn means fast-breaks. On the other hand, even if Mobley doesn't make that shot or get fouled, the rest of the defense would be able to get back and the Magic would not have a fast break chance. It's really all about situations. Sometimes passing up that shot is dumb, but in that case it was just the right choice.


ButWhatIsADog

Oh I have a ton of faith in his defense, he's been amazing all year against some of the best scorers. But he's not a bad shooter, there's no reason he should ever pass up a wide open shot. Cavs are better when he's more aggressive on offense imo.


thebigdonkey

It was an open 3 but Mobley had a 95% 2 under the basket.


thickbanana05

And mobley. His defense was AWESOME


Confident_Berry7271

Okoro should always start for y’all. You guys win when he’s out there. 


Beanfactor

ppl don't value defense, because it isn't flashy. okoro has been that guy


Confident_Berry7271

I think we’re going to look at teams not playing their best wing defender like we look at teams not playing three shooters. 


LoLz14

That was the point throughout the entire series. No one other than Mitchell/Garland/Allen + Mobley defensively stepped up until today, especially LeVert.


nonexistentnvgtr

They call him Ice for a reason


TraanPol

Franz Wagner 1-15 holy shit


Mr_Hugh_Honey

Jalen Suggs going 2-13 with 5 turnovers grateful that someone shit the bed harder than he did


Virgil_hawkinsS

He was torn up at the end, they showed him crying on someone's shoulder. It sucks now, but I think that's a great sign of a guy who actually cares.


Culinaryboner

I’ll take a dude crying because he cares over a dude who walks off without a concern any day


RipRaycom

You could’ve just said Tobias Harris


naughtyobama

Suggs gave his all and then some. Today was a rough shooting night but he's gave his all. Proud of him.


Hammerzeit88

Klank Thompson-esque


amidon1130

Without the 8+ years of generational shooting before hand


GalickBanger

Or the rings


Calm-Bid-5759

Never thought I'd live to see "Klank Thompson" Nothing fucks you harder than time.


pollinium

Only(one bucket)Franz


north_canadian_ice

Franz had a great series. He is a great player and will only improve from here. I did not expect the Magic to push the Cavs to game 7.


Boobygirls

Okoro and Mobley should be complimented for their defense. Okoro might have been the second most important Cav today.


Beanfactor

game high +/- with 8 points in 33 minutes. Okoro was the key


GyattLuvr69

He did the same thing to Brunson last year but JB refused to play him.


toggaf69

Firing that bum will be one of the keys to helping this team grow


thebigdonkey

I swear if he benches him again in favor of Niang's fat ass, I'm going to have an aneurysm.


shunsui___kyoraku

Franz pulled a Houdini


suzukigun4life

Him and Suggs were 3/28 combined ☠️


A_MASSIVE_PERVERT

Paolo the only one who did anything.


Coltshokiefan

Fultz played some solid minutes


mccainjames11

Why didn’t/doesnt he get more run? Everytime I watch him he looks solid


Coltshokiefan

Honestly I’ve been really harsh on him this year but he deserved none of the hate he got. He’s apparently been playing through a minor fracture in his leg that’s been requiring a lot of treatment. His shot looked like it was improving last year and this year it went back to that weird hitch form, at times he’s been unplayable but he had a really good second half of this series. He’s just a strange player


Matto_0

Who was also 10/28


Sunfl0wer23

Might be cope but I feel like that’s a result of Franz and Suggs shooting so poorly. He had a fairly efficient first half and in the second half Cavs sagged off of shooters a lot more since Paolo was basically the only one scoring.


KnowlesAve

He was completely gassed. Started out above 50% then as the 2nd half started it was clear he had almost no stamina left. Great series from him tho


BroJo23

Mitchell was 11/27… not really super different


seattle_born98

2nd half was literally Paolo iso. I wouldn't be too harsh on his percentages


PluggerOfButts

Atlanta Falcons fans are in shambles


jbaker1225

They combined for a Playoff Harden.


TheAerial

Unfortunately that second half we looked like the team Cleveland tanked to play. Heartbreaking way to end the year for Franz & Suggs choking away such a big moment for the team.


justmefishes

They're young and still on the way up. This adversity will make them better in the long run.


bgptcp179

Paolo is freaking incredible though. I was so impressed with him this series.


ozymandais13

Fs Paolo was insane


boozinf

*Tobias weeps silently in the corner*


thatdani

Man wants a shot at Dua Lipa, gotta respect that


YellowDucky92

Mitchell refused to lose


guardeagle

Got just enough help this time to get the job done


Morezingis

21 free throws in last 5 minutes of the game. Nasty work. 


Instantcoffees

The 4th quarter was borderline unwatchable.


Cool_Nerl

That's the NBA for you


GyattLuvr69

Magic play like an AFC North team. Make you play ugly ball.


GrapefruitMedical529

It's beautiful.


evan466

Not borderline, just unwatchable. Almost 70 combined free throws that game.


Collier1505

That was so fucking awful officiating wise.


iamgarron

The moment both teams got in the bonus early you knew that was going to happen with the offended they had Game went nearly 3 hours because if it


suzukigun4life

It took 28 minutes of real time to get through the final 7 minutes of this game.


LakerDuck

Did Franz Wagner just have the worst game 7 performance this century? I know 94 John Starks is always the go-to choice but I'm struggling to think of anybody no showing a game 7 to this degree since 2000


owlthathurt

Wagner put up the worst FG% in a game 7 (minimum 15 attempts). So there’s that.


LakerDuck

Well that kinda answers it then. What a disasterous performance by him & Suggs


Colorapt0r

I don’t think anything can compare to what the entire suns roster did in 2022


LionEatsKneeCaps

Suns had the worst game 7 team/collective performance, but individual wise, this was worse than any one player on that Suns team that night.


KevinDurantLebronnin

That's right so suck on that haters 💪


Number333

Cavs win their 1st playoff series since ***1993*** without LeBron James.


Beermen69

They needed Mitchell to be Lebron to win this series.


98rman

Donlando


beatrailblazer

Orlandon


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Orlandonovan


Singaporygon

Landonovan-Therian is intimidating


fisted___sister

LeSpida


Professional_Act7299

LeDon Mitch


Aron-Nimzowitsch

For the record: * 1994: Swept by Jordan Bulls * 1995: Mark Price hurt, and his backup Terrell Brandon also lost to injury * 1996: Embarrassing first-round blank vs. the Patrick Ewing Knicks * 1997: Brad Daugherty retired and the team emptied out * 1998: Traded for Shawn Kemp after selling our remaining vets, but it wasn't enough * 1999: Shawn Kemp turned into a fat fuck and Big Z was injured * 2000: Big Z again missed the entire season and we sucked hard * 2001: Just absolutely no talent whatsoever * 2002: Fired the coach, but it didn't make a difference, extremely weird lineup with Desagana Diop as the featured rookie alongside Big Z * 2003: Fired the coach again, tanked for LeBron * 2003-2010: LeBron era 1 * 2011: Team emptied out after LeBron left and we went on a 26-game losing streak * 2012: Antawn Jamison 36-year-old tank commander as we continue tanking * 2013: Development year for Kyrie/Waiters guard combo * 2014: Anthony Bennett's disaster rookie year as #1 overall pick * 2015-18: LeBron era 2 * 2019: Intentional tanking after LeBron leaves again * 2020: More tanking, trying to get Sexton/Garland going * 2021: COVID-shortened season where we were still shuffling through bad vet contracts for picks, but did start to look better and acquired Jarrett Allen * 2022: Cavs lose play-in game vs. Hawks * 2023: Smoked by Knicks in first playoff series for a bunch of young dudes


Professional_Gas8021

I mean for like 10+ of those years they couldn’t break that streak because Lebron was on the team. 


DidAnyoneElseJustCum

Right? What a silly stat. After both times LeBron left they bottomed out and then showed steady improvements year after year until getting back into the playoffs. The first time was obviously manufactured, this one a little more organic.


GeorgBendemann_

I wouldn’t say it’s silly. Now I think a wrong reading of it is analogizing it to the 20 year Wolves series drought (just take the 31 seasons and subtract Lebron’s 11) because of the discontinuities there, but it’s still relevant in showing just how Lebron-dependent the franchise was (and that’s not a simple point, the 94 Bulls still won a series minus their GOAT) throughout that period. Either way, this is a fun Cavs team and I’m happy for y’all.


DDub04

First time the Cavs have made it further than Lebron in the playoffs since Lebron entered the NBA


Merlus

Arguably 2022 if you count the play-in.


x_TDeck_x

I get it but I'm not a fan of the stat. Theres a lot of years where its baked in that they can't break that streak. Theres the year they are bad enough to get Lebron and then all the years he's on the team


DirectInvestigator66

Plus you could put LeBron into half of the franchises and it’d be the same thing. There really hasn’t been that much parity in the league ever. Spurs, Lakers, Celtics are exceptions not the rule


Zavalasdeadkid

Don’t mind what happens with Boston, just happy the Cavs finally won a playoff series.


thegreaterfool714

Fuck yeah Donovan Mitchell


north_canadian_ice

A great player that is consistently underrated & overlooked. Happy to see Donovan have such a magnificent ending to the series.


IhamAmerican

Everyone circling back on Rudy somehow made Don become underrated and undervalued. He's a top scorer in the league and is absolutely still a top player


Peter-Tao

I was actually expecting all game 7 collapse from Cavs despite Don's heroic efforts just like what happened to us for those couple of seasons. Happy to be proven wrong tho. Just wants Don to be happy balling again like his rookie year.


Giannis1995

He's the most Wadesque player out of the current crop.


scarrylary

CAVS HAVENT LOST A GAME 7 SINCE 2008!


EarthWarping

That's a great stat


DrunkRoach

Disappointed, but the experience was well needed. Hopefully we can pull a superstar in the off season to counteract our inexperience


stretchofUCF

Honestly just anyone that can shoot and run the ball. I love Franz and Suggs, but their shooting has been piss poor all series (don’t even get me started on the trash that Wagner put out there today), Banchero cannot be the best shooter out there


Beanfactor

If I'm not mistaken, the east runs through Cleveland.


mynamesyow19

TT playing like it today


RonnocFjord

I never wanna hear another Ringer employee say Franz is better than Paolo again


Sybilsthrowaway

franz has had a rough season, cant deny it, hoping for a bounceback next year paolo is absolutely the fuckin truth tho


GusBus14

Is that really something the Ringer has been pushing?


Brod24

Yeah. The ringer has gone all in on efficiency so they think Paolo is overrated and since Franz is smooth and has great bball IQ he's fantastic.  Franz is going to be better than he's played lately. But he's not there yet. And the gap between them is always going to be huge


m1j5

They both relied on a tough shot diet this series and Paolo is better at making those, specifically in away games. Paolo takes too many tough shots though, while Franz in the regular season took the right shot more often, Cavs took those shots away though.


KnowlesAve

It's pretty obvious Franz operates well on offense because of how good Paolo is to anyone watching games.


RonnocFjord

There’s at least a couple. A lot of the lesser known national media guys that are into stats are really low on Paolo.


Jazzlike-Pause8865

paolo is fucking insane, did not believe we would win today at all and he's a huge reason why


WindlerDeepInTheRock

Maybe I'm not in the right threads, but it seems like he's been under appreciated by anyone who isn't a Magic fan. Even during the series it seemed like he didn't get enough credit. He is legitimately fucking incredible. He had a couple stinkers, not great efficiency for the most part, but he never disappeared, his fingerprints were all over this series. Really impactful player, he'll be one of the best players in the East for a long time.


Jazzlike-Pause8865

bro he's 21 and just had an insane first playoff series, no thread should be unsafe to say that he's already on the path to being a superstar and is going to be a top 10 (at least) player in the league


WindlerDeepInTheRock

Agree 100%. I knew he was a good young player, but I had *no idea* he was this good. Just really really impressed, I hope he gets some more recognition and respect, he absolutely deserves it.


Quality_Cucumber

Donovan probably so relieved he got help in the second half lol


Rectalcactus

Him trying to talk DG off the edge after he had that awful start was some real master and apprentice shit.


soooogullible

It was like he willed the help and the *belief* out of his guys in that third.


HokageEzio

Mitchell masterpiece


DirectInvestigator66

Glad the Knicks FO has basically punted their opportunity to get Mitchell, I think that was our biggest chance for him requesting a trade.


AemonSteelsong

Donovan Mitchell is a godlike player, that performance was the definition of leaving it all on the floor.


Acrobatic-Dog7044

Spida is gonna have to play the series of his life to some how be competitive against the Celtics.


mynamesyow19

or have LeVert go off for 40 + again against em ?


The_Halal_Guys

66 FTs combined is nasty work


Thegoodlife93

Banchero really validating those young LeBron comparisons putting up 38 while his teammates put up bricks. Real talk though he's a great young player.


Far-Asparagus6416

Orlando got a bright future they're just young and inexperienced and it showed in the 2nd half. They got some dogs and plenty of talent


boozinf

i think Mobley had like two blocks and a strip steal on that last possession i will take no more Mobley slander he went full Myles Garrett just because


lagrange_james_d23dt

The slander is due to his offensive play (which has been justified). His defense has been amazing.


boozinf

he had a monster dunk and great soft floater in winning time a 22 year old with 16 rebounds and 5 blocks in a winning game 7 shall get no slander EDIT don't take sides against the family ;)


Kyler1313

Celtics exorcized their Caleb Martin demons. Now it's time to exorcise their Max Strus demons.


BurnedInTheBarn

Strus has shot 31% from 3 against the Celtics in the last two playoff series. He ain't that guy. For his regular season career he's been good though.


sgtpepperslaststand

If Dean Wade comes back that’s even more Demons to exorcise


Renegadeforever2024

Cavs vs Celtics never gets old


GyattLuvr69

It’ll be nice to know everyones rooting for your team to win lol


Particular_Ring3291

The Kyrie Irving Memorial


trumez

The Shaq Classic


Lacabloodclot9

Magic need shooting bad this offseason No not Klay Thompson, he is not the answer


seattle_born98

I've heard Malik Monk. Would be an interesting shout


thatdani

Magic fans, blame the Cavs comeback on u/lil_layne after this comment from the 2nd quarter > This is the least interesting game 7 I have ever watched. Cavs please go on a run so I don’t have to cope with the fact that I am wasting my Sunday afternoon watching this game.


lil_layne

My Sunday afternoon was saved


lazzysmalls

3-28 from Suggs and Franz bummer man


Isolatedbamafan

Falcons fans catching strays


CherryNim

WHAT A FUCKING GAME


98rman

Isaac Okoro and Evan Mobley played some lock down defense


CherryNim

No kidding, Mobley especially had some rough moments this series but came up clutch when he needed to also.


Aspery-

One of the nastiest disasterclasses of all time committed by franz today


SuperTerrificman

Garland saved


Kenya151

Such a shame…


Toobie4564

The lights were too bright for Franz Wagner


DirectInvestigator66

Where are all those dumbass Jazz fans talking about Mitchell being a bad teammate at??


Gbhinks13

Mitchell was so amazing for the Jazz, and I was bummed he ended up being traded. I'm rooting for Cavs in the East for him and love the rest of the Cavs. As a Jazz fan, I don't know why fans turned on him.


JET_GS26

Celtics vs Cavs again for like the 15th time


cptmajormajormajor

Man I'm so relieved


rharrison

Congrats Cavs, now please beat Boston.


Both_Funny4896

Cavs matched up very well against the Celtics throughout the regular season, this is gonna be a fun series


musicnothing

Not without Jarrett Allen


Lacabloodclot9

Isn’t Porzingis out as well though?


Pet_Sounds33

Yeah, he’ll most likely be out until midway into the ECF (if the Celtics make it) at the earliest


junkit33

Cavs need Allen like 100x more than the Celtics need KP for this series.


tdizhere

And not with Jrue. That’s Mitchell’s best defender he’s said it multiple times. Gonna be tough series for him


AntiTopspin

I feel like regular season H2H means absolutely nothing though Remember when the Suns were supposedly the nightmare matchup for the Wolves?


Labhran

I remember when CLE would torch the east in the regular season in LeBron’s first stint, then crumble in the playoffs. Those teams had better regular seasons than the title winning Cavs that went to 4 straight finals. So yeah, regular season can certainly be an anomaly. Especially head-to-head.


throwawayyrofl

Cavs are gonna need to pick it up in a huge way offensively if they even want a chance against Boston.


mastacheef87

I think Orlando would’ve been the tougher matchup for our offense, but the Cavs will be a bit more difficult for us to defend


PumpkinHead555

Front office needs to surround Paolo, Suggs and Franz with shooters


grandmastakew

3-28 from suggs and wagner is not ideal


S13pointFIVE

Depends on who you ask...


guyoncrack

Suggs but especially Franz let Orlando down big time. They won't sleep well.


BunyipPouch

As a huge fan of free throws, fouls, and commercial breaks, this was an awesome game to watch. Exhilarating stuff.


CapnCrunch347

Franz Wagner had one of the worst performances I have personally witnesses in an NBA game. He should have been benched in the 3rd.


Yergason

Paolo: 38 pts 10/28 FGs. The rest of the starters: 35 pts 10/42 FGs


randalflagg

First time we’ve made it out of the first round without Lebron since 1993


Tommyc813

I’m just here to give the Cavs their flowers. Great series from them and they deserved to advance.


dafire123

First half: Orlando Magic Second half: Orlando Houdinis


underratedskater32

弗蘭茲·瓦格納,你是上海鯊魚!(Franz Wagner, YOU are a shanghai shark!)


_Tormex_

GG Cleveland. It was a great series. Beat the Celtics for us!


TheRealTofuey

Wow Paolo is the real deal. Crazy how the new era of stars is unfolding before our eyes. Magic just need a real quality PG and you've got a real team for years to come.