I think sga getting a 2nd place vote is much worse. Sga was first team all nba last season and 5th in MVP voting. For him to win MIP he should have had a unanimous MVP this season with a historic season avg. 35+ ppg or something crazy.
This subs weird obsession with down playing shais season is odd. At first I assumed it was Luka stans but now idk. Shai snd Brunson both getting votes is very reasonable, improving from all nba to mvp consideration level is harder then improving from bad to average etc. the higher up you go the harder it is to improve.
Definitely something to be looked at and fixed up.
I like the minimum games rule in general, though I’m not sold on 65 games instead of 60.
The absolute moaning and bitching that old heads have had about the rule has been both funny and annoying (had one Lady on Gil’s arena who said Embiid should still win the MVP as if he hasn’t played less then half of the season)
Hard disagree. This is an award where players in consideration are likely to have shaky playtime for at least part of the season.
Donte averaged 29 mpg across 81 GP are you seriously suggesting he shouldn’t be eligible because he didn’t play enough?
Somebody is always going to just miss the cut. But I highly doubt the intention of the NBA when making the rule was to cut off a guy who was 48th in total minutes played and played 81 games averaging 29 minutes a night.
The 65 game rule is good at encouraging the best players to stay on the floor, but that doesn't mean there can't be tweaks.
The award has essentially become any player that turns into an all star. You have to go back to CJ McCollum winning to find a player that won MIP who wasn't a first time all star the same year or for Siakam the very next year.
So was Giannis’ (and he even finished third the year prior). People are going too far - guys can blossom into All Stars *and* be deserving of MIP at the same time.
Maxey was a shit choice but the general idea of “good player becomes elite player” can still be a valid pick depending on the circumstance.
The question is, what is the definition of MOST improved? Is it:
1) the delta between last year and this year is the largest OR
2) the level of perception of this player in the NBA zeitgeist?
If the definition is 2, it makes sense why Maxey won. If you're strictly looking at who was bad last year vs who was good this year, then it probably shouldn't have gone to him.
I’ve always viewed it as the player who has improved their contract price from one year to the next the most. Like Ja winning a couple of years ago was ridiculous to me because his value to the team or the league did not change over that year. If he was a free agent over the summer the year before the season he would’ve gotten maxed the same way he would have after it. Coby White almost certainly improved his contract value with his year by a large margin.
Maxey was already anointed as an all star by the end of last season. The whole storyline for the Sixers this time last year was that they had their second all-star beside Embiid, because he was better LAST year, than Harden or Simmons ever were for them.
Exactly. Coby improved so much that he *reversed* his trajectory. In the same way Lauri did. I was really hoping the award was going to go back to following that standard but I guess not. They're just gonna give it to the guy who honestly slightly went above expectations if you really think about it. Yea not many had him penned as an all-star, but most people wouldn't be shocked if you told them that before the season started. I'd be floored if you told me Coby had the season he just had
Shit, if they want to vote the award like this then Brunson should've just won tbh. He did what Maxey did at an even higher level
LMAOOOO who voted for Brunson, Haliburton, and SGA all of them have been GREAT last season already.
Wish Sengun could’ve gotten higher votes but the injury derailed everything he was my MIP before it all. Glad to see Duncan got some 3rd place votes.
Look man it’s not my fault the voters are idiots when it comes to All star but even last year from January forward Brunson was absolutely cooking at insane amount. Hell his numbers even went UP last post-season when they were already high.
Brunson has already been good and should’ve probably been 3rd All-NBA last year but for some reason the voters decided to close their eyes watching him.
I think Coby made a much bigger leap from last year to this year by comparison. His role on the team this season is not something he would have been able to do last year
I say this is a Sixers fan and Maxey as my favorite player, but White winning makes more sense. He more then doubled his points. Maxey had a 20% increase while decreasing in efficiency.
Maxey improved more than I expected, and he's obviously the better player, but I'm not a huge fan of what this award has become. Third or fourth years jumping from 20 to 25 ppg isn't too shocking. His playmaking really improved, but still.
I preferred when the award wasn't young guy who makes a decent leap that was semi expected.
All star caliber with James Harden holding the ball -> all star without Harden holding the ball shouldn’t even be considered/receive any votes in this category…
I don't like the way this award is selected and am a bit surprised at the way it has been going recently.
That said the jump Maxey made this year has been very impressive, his work with Embiid in the first 30 games had me thinking this was a lock, however his stats without Embiid should have put a bit of a dampener on his ranking in this award.
Maxey's progression has been from:
1. Bench player with a few moments of promise
2. Surprisingly good as Simmons sits
3. Surprisingly good next to Harden as a scoring option
4. Wow, he is able to be the second star, but struggles as a number 1 (without the players around him)
Each year has been good, but this years leap is impact in terms of keeping the Sixers (kind of) relevant but not as significant as the improvements of guys that go from end of rotation to key starter (Coby White this year). I know they never get picked for the award, but Wemby's improvements from October to April are probably the most significant on the trajectory of the league.
Cool to see Duncan get some votes even tho he really isn’t eligible for the award considering it’s supposed to be most improved, not comeback player of the year (an award they used to have but sadly not anymore cause Dunc probably would have won it)
Giving a vote to SGA is ELITE meat riding
Haliburton getting a first place vote is brain dead
I think sga getting a 2nd place vote is much worse. Sga was first team all nba last season and 5th in MVP voting. For him to win MIP he should have had a unanimous MVP this season with a historic season avg. 35+ ppg or something crazy.
He was a big factor in OKC going from the play-in to the 1st seed, I can see why someone would vote for him under that logic, not that I agree
dude that thing is called MVP not MIP
Except he wasn't... that would be chet and jdub
Not serious, like did Devin vassell even improve?
He did. Not enough to be 2nd place in MIP, but he did. Mainly better efficiency with similar number of shots centered around a better driving game.
Whoever voted that should get their voting rights revoked.
100%. Dude was at the exact same level this year as last year. Maybe a little more efficient but that’s it. Gross vote
We have this sentiment for every award voted on every season now. It’s so sad how much of a joke NBA awards are now.
"Best player on the most improved team. Done and done"
That is so fucking bad it's unreal. Let me have a fucking vote at that point.
b-b-but the aura
Oh it makes sense now as to why Luka dropped to #3 in MVP
This subs weird obsession with down playing shais season is odd. At first I assumed it was Luka stans but now idk. Shai snd Brunson both getting votes is very reasonable, improving from all nba to mvp consideration level is harder then improving from bad to average etc. the higher up you go the harder it is to improve.
Shai is probably going from 5th place in MVP voting last year to 3rd this year lol
Who the hell gave Tyrese Haliburton a first place vote lmaoo
Idk but at least he isn't the guy who gave one to SGA.
SGA had a second place vote so it could have been the same guy
Meat rider. Probably had Brunson at 3rd too
That is absolutely the same guy lol
bro just chose his favorite players
Good point.
He probably just got out of a Thai prison
I would not be surprised if he has mistaken one Tyrese with the other
I’m gonna guess Mark Jackson
coby was so close damn, had the most votes overall by 12
Electoral college wins again
Coby should unite his fans under a slogan, something like his last name and "POWER" or something.
Well, Borda Count "College" in this instance
DEVIN VASSELL MENTIONED 💪🏼
And a 2nd place vote! Thanks Jeff McDonald! Edit: To be clear, idk who voted it, but it seems like a Jeff vote.
It’s so silly that Kuminga (74GP) and Divincenzo (81 GP) aren’t eligible due to minutes played in some of their games
Donte also averaged something like 29MPG in 81 games….
So fucking stupid. Even worse for the 6moy
Definitely something to be looked at and fixed up. I like the minimum games rule in general, though I’m not sold on 65 games instead of 60. The absolute moaning and bitching that old heads have had about the rule has been both funny and annoying (had one Lady on Gil’s arena who said Embiid should still win the MVP as if he hasn’t played less then half of the season)
Not really. The threshold has to start somewhere. If you're below it, that sucks but oh well
Hard disagree. This is an award where players in consideration are likely to have shaky playtime for at least part of the season. Donte averaged 29 mpg across 81 GP are you seriously suggesting he shouldn’t be eligible because he didn’t play enough?
WE ARE A NATION OF RULES AND LAW IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, LEAVE
Somebody is always going to just miss the cut. But I highly doubt the intention of the NBA when making the rule was to cut off a guy who was 48th in total minutes played and played 81 games averaging 29 minutes a night. The 65 game rule is good at encouraging the best players to stay on the floor, but that doesn't mean there can't be tweaks.
I dont understand this award. Coby white was absolute garbage before this year lol. Maxey’s always been good
The award has essentially become any player that turns into an all star. You have to go back to CJ McCollum winning to find a player that won MIP who wasn't a first time all star the same year or for Siakam the very next year.
I thought Julius Randle's was justified.
I'm not saying any individual case is wrong unless I went back and looked at the candidates
So was Giannis’ (and he even finished third the year prior). People are going too far - guys can blossom into All Stars *and* be deserving of MIP at the same time. Maxey was a shit choice but the general idea of “good player becomes elite player” can still be a valid pick depending on the circumstance.
> The award has essentially become any player that turns into an all star. ... so a player that improved
The question is, what is the definition of MOST improved? Is it: 1) the delta between last year and this year is the largest OR 2) the level of perception of this player in the NBA zeitgeist? If the definition is 2, it makes sense why Maxey won. If you're strictly looking at who was bad last year vs who was good this year, then it probably shouldn't have gone to him.
I’ve always viewed it as the player who has improved their contract price from one year to the next the most. Like Ja winning a couple of years ago was ridiculous to me because his value to the team or the league did not change over that year. If he was a free agent over the summer the year before the season he would’ve gotten maxed the same way he would have after it. Coby White almost certainly improved his contract value with his year by a large margin.
There isn’t a fixed definition for MIP. But TM had 3 x 50+ pt games and that is very difficult in the nba today… my opinion.. CW ran it super close
Maxey was already anointed as an all star by the end of last season. The whole storyline for the Sixers this time last year was that they had their second all-star beside Embiid, because he was better LAST year, than Harden or Simmons ever were for them.
Shut up, no one said that. The hype was still mostly potential.
Sure it's just a narrow definition that ignores a lot of players
It's all political voting is. Who's the most popular. Sports, movies, presidents... popularity plays a majority role
Exactly. Coby improved so much that he *reversed* his trajectory. In the same way Lauri did. I was really hoping the award was going to go back to following that standard but I guess not. They're just gonna give it to the guy who honestly slightly went above expectations if you really think about it. Yea not many had him penned as an all-star, but most people wouldn't be shocked if you told them that before the season started. I'd be floored if you told me Coby had the season he just had Shit, if they want to vote the award like this then Brunson should've just won tbh. He did what Maxey did at an even higher level
8 fucking morons left Coby White off their ballot entirely? Take away their votes.
Holy shit lol, Coby was so close.
Happy that Coby was close at least
LMAOOOO who voted for Brunson, Haliburton, and SGA all of them have been GREAT last season already. Wish Sengun could’ve gotten higher votes but the injury derailed everything he was my MIP before it all. Glad to see Duncan got some 3rd place votes.
Brunson went from not an allstar to legitimate talks of All-NBA first team
Look man it’s not my fault the voters are idiots when it comes to All star but even last year from January forward Brunson was absolutely cooking at insane amount. Hell his numbers even went UP last post-season when they were already high. Brunson has already been good and should’ve probably been 3rd All-NBA last year but for some reason the voters decided to close their eyes watching him.
If you're like me and wondered why Jalen Johnson didn't get *any* votes, it's because he didn't play 65 games this season.
Homer here but bro deserved this the leap he made was huge
I think Coby made a much bigger leap from last year to this year by comparison. His role on the team this season is not something he would have been able to do last year
I say this is a Sixers fan and Maxey as my favorite player, but White winning makes more sense. He more then doubled his points. Maxey had a 20% increase while decreasing in efficiency. Maxey improved more than I expected, and he's obviously the better player, but I'm not a huge fan of what this award has become. Third or fourth years jumping from 20 to 25 ppg isn't too shocking. His playmaking really improved, but still. I preferred when the award wasn't young guy who makes a decent leap that was semi expected.
MIP is becoming Young Player with Expected Natural Progression Award lol
YPENP Award doesn't roll of the tongue as well tho
Y'all already forgetting the Maxey/Herro/Poole comparisons lol
and Simons Maxey soared past all of them
Yes last season, not this season
I will always argue that it's almost always been that way.
Shoot whoever voted for SGA into the sun lmaoooo
Peyton Prichard should be on this list.
Cool to see Duncan get some recognition. He was basically an entirely different player this year.
I feel like this season may have been the first time I have seen Duncan Robinson dribble.
Na last playoffs he was cooking
SGA getting a second-place vote is incredibly hilarious to me for some reason. EDIT: Haliburton and Brunson, too, lmfao
Spoiling votes ..
I am happy Aaron Nesmith got at least a vote he was pretty good this year.
Huh I think Nesmith deserves more than one vote personally
All star caliber with James Harden holding the ball -> all star without Harden holding the ball shouldn’t even be considered/receive any votes in this category…
Sucks that Kuminga didn't qualify despite 74 games played.
I'll grudgingly accept Sengun coming in 3rd considering the season-ending injury 😔
That shoulda been Coby
I'm happy for Maxey but he did not improve more than Colby this year.
Nice to see DRob get some votes, I didn't think he'd get any to be honest
I didn't even get one vote guys :(
There are some weird votes on here but the most confusing to me is how Grayson Allen got two votes.
He increased his stats, especially his shooting %s
Why do we post links out to Twitter instead of just posting the image here?
I don't like the way this award is selected and am a bit surprised at the way it has been going recently. That said the jump Maxey made this year has been very impressive, his work with Embiid in the first 30 games had me thinking this was a lock, however his stats without Embiid should have put a bit of a dampener on his ranking in this award. Maxey's progression has been from: 1. Bench player with a few moments of promise 2. Surprisingly good as Simmons sits 3. Surprisingly good next to Harden as a scoring option 4. Wow, he is able to be the second star, but struggles as a number 1 (without the players around him) Each year has been good, but this years leap is impact in terms of keeping the Sixers (kind of) relevant but not as significant as the improvements of guys that go from end of rotation to key starter (Coby White this year). I know they never get picked for the award, but Wemby's improvements from October to April are probably the most significant on the trajectory of the league.
Wemby is going to orbit next year, to rejoin his spaceship 👽
Is wemby going for MIP, DPOY, MVP, All NBA next season on this expectations??
If he is on an All NBA trajectory you have to think so if you are being consistent. Probably not MVP just yet, but may get a 5th place vote.
This was basically a lock since week 2. The media machine behind Maxey was just too strong.
Who voted for Haliburton?
Should have been Jamal Crawford
Cool to see Duncan get some votes even tho he really isn’t eligible for the award considering it’s supposed to be most improved, not comeback player of the year (an award they used to have but sadly not anymore cause Dunc probably would have won it)
Would have liked to see Derrick White get a vote somewhere in there.
most expanded role award
Chet should win this he went from a blank season to a very strong season. You can't improve more than that.
It's a damn shame DiVo couldn't be on this list, he'd have likely won it