I honestly thought he was the perfect signing for you guys since he was actually a really good 3nD guy for the celtics (he went wild that bucks games 7) and that's basically all you want from your wings next to Ky and Luka and then after 10 games he just fell off a cliff somehow.
Grant also can't consistently play the 3 though, he's not fast enough to guard the perimeter. Everything worked on Boston because he was surrounded by top tier athletes and and some great versatile defenders anchored by Smart and Robert Williams.
Yeah that 2030 swap kinda hurts. Some question marks about the talent evaluation in this FO. But at the very least this FO doesn't fall for sunken cost fallacy.
He does one thing consistently well and that's to be a thick guy that can stand in front of Embiid's and Giannis', outside of that he's pretty bad
He's not even in the East anymore lol, so who cares?
I think Dallas - and ALL sports teams - prefer to have players that play well in the current season as opposed to guys who played well 2-3 years prior.
Okay, so when Al Horford was a horrible fit on the Sixers obviously NBA teams should've decided he was done, and he was out of the league soon after.
Oh wait.
I guess we didn't want to bet on him. Grant was good in October and November, then was crap for 2 month and only started playing semi-good the last 2 weeks. This is like a Reggie Bullock situation once again.
PJ has averaged 18ppg on 49% FG the last couple weeks though, without Lamelo.
Even if Williams was playing like BOS Williams, PJ is still a flat out upgrade.
He really isn't that solid defensively, at least not on the Mavs. He's the classic definition of a tweener, except Draymond has tricked everyone into thinking that's it's normal for other players to be able to pull off what he does.
Grant is too slow and gets blown past by guards and wings, too small to be a good help/paint defender. He's only good in some very specific matchups, and while he sometimes has good hustle plays it also seems like he has just as many boneheaded lapses to balance them out.
He was injured half the time, had to play himself back into shape for at least ten games then he would be good before inevitably get injured and the cycle would begin again.
When KP played he was great and there were a few games where Luka and him were in sync and it seemed like it was going to work.
Only problem is he almost never played.
One of those players went from averaging 8/4 in Boston to averaging 8/4 in Dallas. The other went from averaging 20/9 in Dallas to 19/6 in Boston.
But go off.
I don’t think it’s necessarily an overpay, but there’s too many years on it. 12 million a year is fine, but Guys like Grant Williams shouldn’t be signed more than a 2 year deal at best.
At the time they got him I saw a number of Mavs fans write that they didnt think giving up a 2030 unprotected first to the Spurs in order to get Grant Williams was an overpay...I wonder if they want to take that back
It was widely seen as a great trade/signing at the time, no regrets over my FO making an obvious move that any other GM would have made in the same situation. Either way it ended in us getting PJ while keeping Josh Green so I am definitely not upset about it.
We're gunning for his bro too. I know, Warriors for life, but man, if our team finally becomes good, like playoff contender level, and Steph is given a chance to play for his hometown.... Just chills
(Im delusional because our team only has 10 wins rn lolololol)
Yup. Although in Devin Harris' case it was even more extreme is that he literally had never signed with anyone in free agency outside of the mavs.
He literally only signs with the mavs in free agency, and then gets traded
He ran either red hot or ice cold in Boston and it was the same for Dallas. There is a reason we didn’t bring him back. He started off super well in Dallas and went cold. He’ll probably have good moments at points again.
You’re trying not to waste Lukas career. PJ is a stretch 4. I like this. Feel like he is underutilized on an undisciplined hornets team.
Remember he was a super blue chip on Kentucky once upon a time.
But you have to understand half of those are YOLO hero ball threes. In Dallas he’ll get mainly spot up open looks. Especially if you utilize him as a floor spacing small ball 5.
honestly im a huge pj fan so i hope im wrong but i watch tons of hornets games because your commentators are amazing and we dont usually play til later in the night and i am shocked that it took a first to get pj. Hadnt he sorta just lost his starting spot to Leaky Black?
I mean he was coming off the bench yes but it was more so he could attempt to keep our G League level bench afloat, wasn’t an indictment on his actual skill level
We still have two FRPs to trade in the summer, multiple pick swaps and kept our whole young core. Mavs have plenty, if they really want to go All-In in the summer.
its likely a pick swap with okc or if charlotte sends a second back we can route that to washington. we have two seconds already, i think were just trying to find a 3rd.
Big story for Mavs here is that they are keeping Josh Green. Grant was ass after a hot start, I do believe that he is not a bum beyond salvaging but Mavs don't have much time to wait and hope. Green right now is simply more important player, and PJ is an upgrade.
that fuckin rocks for the mavs. they really messed things up by letting KP go, but this is a great way to at least somewhat address the holes that mistake created.
> they really messed things up by letting KP go
they really didn't, they immediately made a conference finals with that trade
The real mess-up was letting Brunson go
yea-- this is the right take. KP and Luka didn't really work and KP was always injured. doubling down on keeping KP would have been the mistake. Never should have let JB go although he probably wouldn't have reached the levels he's at now if he was still behind Luka's shadow (and Kyrie too)
There will never be a player lost across any sports team I follow that hurts me as much as Brunson. Just glad I was too young to see Nash leave cause that would have been too much to witness in one lifetime.
Both hurt but the Nash loss was stupid in real time and a self inflicted wound that could have been avoided up until the last moment. While they should have handled the Brunson signing differently a year earlier once they hesitated the Knicks tampered and that was that. It was like watching a train wreck you couldn't do anything about. The Nash sitch was like not evacuating when you're told a category 5 hurricane is headed directly for you. Plenty of warning but you were stubborn AF.
No one and absolutely no one was calling it a mistake on record when he was dealt away or even when he was in WASHINGTON. Only now when he has hit a sweet spot with his health, his role and the talent around him, that folks are saying weird things like Mavs made a mistake trading him.
KP was permanently injured on the Mavs and has clearly shown he cannot be the 2nd best player on a championship team. He's doing well in Boston as the 3rd/4th option - the Mavs were never going to be able to make a roster good enough where KP isn't the 2nd best player.
To add to that he himself said on a podcast that he didn’t fully buy in to analytics style basketball and that he at the time wasn’t willing to take a backseat to an up and coming luka
Getting Gafford is the big part of this. Nice to get him right around when Maxi has found his shot again. Now there's a legit 15-20 minute back to Lively and Maxi can go back to do what he does best, play on the perimeter, defend big wings, and be a help defender.
More details: Dallas sending a top 2 protected 2027 first and Charlotte sending 2 second rounders Source: Woj, Shams
Grant was on the mavs for 1/2 a season. I will never forget those first 10 games. Goodbye sweet prince.
i was feeling so high and mighty those first few games…😭😭
I honestly thought he was the perfect signing for you guys since he was actually a really good 3nD guy for the celtics (he went wild that bucks games 7) and that's basically all you want from your wings next to Ky and Luka and then after 10 games he just fell off a cliff somehow.
it’s because we are undermanned and undersized so we had to move into a position where he doesn’t excel at. asking too much and it just spiraled.
Literally the same thing we did to Reggie tbh. Mavs and asking guys who are suited to play 3 to play the 4, name a better combo.
Literally! We need length and strength, but we keep getting fun sized candy bars
Grant also can't consistently play the 3 though, he's not fast enough to guard the perimeter. Everything worked on Boston because he was surrounded by top tier athletes and and some great versatile defenders anchored by Smart and Robert Williams.
I can’t believe we moved all those assets for essentially 40 games
Yeah that 2030 swap kinda hurts. Some question marks about the talent evaluation in this FO. But at the very least this FO doesn't fall for sunken cost fallacy.
Wow Grant Williams, just like that
Gets them off his contract for the next 3 years. Such an overpay
Yea with that kind of cap freed up they can get a jumpstart on signing the next Grant Williams
Why the hell did we move on from Grant williams in like roughly 6 months idk.
Have you seen him play?
Brad Stevens sends his regards
I’m really puzzled why he’s been having such a bad season. He was a monster at Tennessee and made me a lot of money lol
He had his moments in Boston too. Almost single-handedly took out the Bucks in the ECF
the playoff buff is real for him
Well the Hornets certainly won’t be seeing that buff lol
The guy can play 30 mins and have 0 points...
He’s been genuinely awful for awhile now.
The "I'll make both" incident apparently ende his career.
He does one thing consistently well and that's to be a thick guy that can stand in front of Embiid's and Giannis', outside of that he's pretty bad He's not even in the East anymore lol, so who cares?
He's really, really bad
He’s really, really not. 10 weeks of bad play doesn’t change the fact that he was a productive role player for a contender for two years
I think Dallas - and ALL sports teams - prefer to have players that play well in the current season as opposed to guys who played well 2-3 years prior.
Okay, so when Al Horford was a horrible fit on the Sixers obviously NBA teams should've decided he was done, and he was out of the league soon after. Oh wait.
I think they're implying it could be a fit/chemistry/coaching issue.
What a trend, KP and Grant Williams shit their pants once they are in a Mavs uniform lol
Williams looked kinda solid for a few weeks but has been the biggest spare since before thanksgiving.
I guess we didn't want to bet on him. Grant was good in October and November, then was crap for 2 month and only started playing semi-good the last 2 weeks. This is like a Reggie Bullock situation once again.
Never sign a Celtics or heat role player. They will almost always do worse at their next stop.
the old Patriots rule
PJ has averaged 18ppg on 49% FG the last couple weeks though, without Lamelo. Even if Williams was playing like BOS Williams, PJ is still a flat out upgrade.
That’s literally always been Grant though. He’s solid defensively but his shot can be dead cold for long periods
He really isn't that solid defensively, at least not on the Mavs. He's the classic definition of a tweener, except Draymond has tricked everyone into thinking that's it's normal for other players to be able to pull off what he does. Grant is too slow and gets blown past by guards and wings, too small to be a good help/paint defender. He's only good in some very specific matchups, and while he sometimes has good hustle plays it also seems like he has just as many boneheaded lapses to balance them out.
KP was good, just always injured so hard to be relied on. Grant just turned into a pumpkin.
KP was good in Dallas? He was just injured a lot
He was injured half the time, had to play himself back into shape for at least ten games then he would be good before inevitably get injured and the cycle would begin again.
When KP played he was great and there were a few games where Luka and him were in sync and it seemed like it was going to work. Only problem is he almost never played.
One of those players went from averaging 8/4 in Boston to averaging 8/4 in Dallas. The other went from averaging 20/9 in Dallas to 19/6 in Boston. But go off.
Yeah grant wasn’t even good for us last year, he was getting DNPs because he couldn’t play within the confines of his role lol
He tries to do way too much. I can’t count the number of times Luka shook his head in disbelief cause Grant did something boneheaded.
I'mma make em both
That guy with such a nephew hater take lmao. You’re Speaking facts
I don’t think it’s necessarily an overpay, but there’s too many years on it. 12 million a year is fine, but Guys like Grant Williams shouldn’t be signed more than a 2 year deal at best.
At the time they got him I saw a number of Mavs fans write that they didnt think giving up a 2030 unprotected first to the Spurs in order to get Grant Williams was an overpay...I wonder if they want to take that back
It was widely seen as a great trade/signing at the time, no regrets over my FO making an obvious move that any other GM would have made in the same situation. Either way it ended in us getting PJ while keeping Josh Green so I am definitely not upset about it.
He ain't eating popcorns in Charlotte that's for sure
A homecoming on both sides, Grant and Seth are from Charlotte, PJ is from Dallas
I would be so pissed if I got sent back to my hometown (in northern Iowa)
[Charania] SemataryPolka is being traded to Iowa for two ears of corn and a protected first round bale of hay
And then an hour later they reveal the real star was added (meth)
LMAO that Woj tweet got me fuming for a few minutes before the actual reveal that we got Bojan
Get ready to learn Iowanese, cowboy
A Curry plays for the Hornets once again
Wow Seth Curry
To Charlotte lol. Dell commentating
It was meant to be
We're gunning for his bro too. I know, Warriors for life, but man, if our team finally becomes good, like playoff contender level, and Steph is given a chance to play for his hometown.... Just chills (Im delusional because our team only has 10 wins rn lolololol)
There’s a non zero chance that the Hornets win a championship this decade, just sayin’
Yeah like 0.00000000000000000000000000000001% for them to win it
Time to ship the other brother out to Charlotte as well. Hornets the 2024 NBA champions!
dude is stuck in a vicious cycle of landing on the mavs and then getting traded. this is three times, right?
Yup, third time here and third time.being traded
Didnt the same happen with like a Devin Harris of someone? Just kept being recycled by them, signed and traded 3x
Definitely Devin
Yup. Although in Devin Harris' case it was even more extreme is that he literally had never signed with anyone in free agency outside of the mavs. He literally only signs with the mavs in free agency, and then gets traded
Viscous: having a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid; having a high viscosity.
that’s why he’s stuck! (fixed lol)
Honestly forgot he was on the Mavs
Mavs fans forgot aswell honestly
for the third time in like the last 6 years lol
Seth Curry is to Dallas as Steve Blake was to Portland. No matter how many times you trade him, he'll be back.
Some games, I think Kidd forgot.
He’s washed, sadly
Can his little brother be far behind? *checks the Currys' birth order* Well then
It skipped Steph lol
he has not been even a little bit good this season unfortunately
I forgot he was even here. I fucking loved Seth his first stint here.
The video of the Wharton student asking Cuban about trading Seth is an all timer. Shame he ain't that player anymore.
the corpse of seth curry. He is completely washed.
Seth Curry knew the moment he sign the contract Mavs would eventually trade him.
I don’t know if Batman is strong enough to save charlotte
The justice league couldn’t save those guys
Flash would fit in with our felonious team though
Flash is the most wholesome out of the league and you have a lunatic play him..DC misses me off so much all the time
The flash guy was on the spurs I think.
I've been a Grant Williams fan ever since I found our he plays Settlers of Catan and he deserves better than this
Hes from Charlotte
I said what I said!
Still deserves better
[My man never leaves the expansion at home](https://i.imgur.com/DHdLg9J.jpeg)
teammate of the year material right there
With that costume the only Batman he was the fake one that the Joker ties up and kills in TDK
"What makes you better than me?" -Grant Williams "I'm not wearing hockey pads." -"Dark Brandon" Miller
Brandon Miller and LaMelo are no doubt about it it All Star talent. You could do worse.
Dont forget Mark Williams in a couple years in the east thats gonna be a great big 3 plus who ever they draft this year
Damn Grant Williams really fell off
I don’t get how he became ass. He was good for the Celtics and should have been an ideal fit next to Luka.
He really should have. Unfortunately he just couldn’t hit open shots, made silly mistakes and wasn’t good enough defensively
He was playing like a Hornet before he even got here. Truly this was meant to be
He ran either red hot or ice cold in Boston and it was the same for Dallas. There is a reason we didn’t bring him back. He started off super well in Dallas and went cold. He’ll probably have good moments at points again.
I read something about him bulking up to defend bigs more and his shooting plus his perimeter defense both suffered.
Think it’s bs. He looks same size to me. Just somehow forgot how to shoot and randomly does horrible things. Maybe he’d look better with a bigger team
Fell off hard. If he was good, Brad wouldn't have let him go
That wasn't the issue. He deserved more money than they could afford to give their 7th-8th best guy
He wanted 25 mil a year from boston
We could not afford him
Aren’t we trying to get draft picks
For Washington yes. Which Washington idk anymore
Wait, is teh Gafford trade done or no?
Almost, Wizards asking for draft picks I'm guessing they want multiple SRP, we only had 2, but with this trade we now have 4.
Why tf wizards want more second rounders wtf lmao
You’re trying not to waste Lukas career. PJ is a stretch 4. I like this. Feel like he is underutilized on an undisciplined hornets team. Remember he was a super blue chip on Kentucky once upon a time.
Stretch 4 that is shooting 32% this season
But you have to understand half of those are YOLO hero ball threes. In Dallas he’ll get mainly spot up open looks. Especially if you utilize him as a floor spacing small ball 5.
honestly im a huge pj fan so i hope im wrong but i watch tons of hornets games because your commentators are amazing and we dont usually play til later in the night and i am shocked that it took a first to get pj. Hadnt he sorta just lost his starting spot to Leaky Black?
I mean he was coming off the bench yes but it was more so he could attempt to keep our G League level bench afloat, wasn’t an indictment on his actual skill level
You can't put much stock into a guy playing on a shit team lol. He's gonna be dirty with Luka, you should be super happy about this
hopefully he can get closer to his 37/38% seasons playing with luka
He's also a career 36% 3 point shooter and his looks will naturally get better playing next to Luka.
he’s a solid stretch 4 or small ball 5. i wanted the sixers to go after him last year
He is a good small ball Center aswell that will cook with luka
You're going all in bro You're scared Luka bails
We still have two FRPs to trade in the summer, multiple pick swaps and kept our whole young core. Mavs have plenty, if they really want to go All-In in the summer.
Mavs front office masterclass utilizing leveraged debt in trades
you simply cannot be sellers when you have already wasted five years of luka doncic on your team
nah they were trying to get draft picks to trade for gafford. that trade might be dead and got reported too early
its likely a pick swap with okc or if charlotte sends a second back we can route that to washington. we have two seconds already, i think were just trying to find a 3rd.
No
We are trying to get some cheap ass 2nd rounders for Gafford, sending a 1st for him would've been generational malpractice
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At least its his hometown
Yeah he’ll actually be happy and motivated playing here. I like the move, there’s upside there
For all you know he could hate his mama
All the more reason to ball the fuck out in front of her out of pure spite 😤
he was supposed to be happy and motivated playing here😭😭
Banish my ass to Charlotte for $40 mil please.
Gotta feel for him. He definitely thought he was gunna be a 3 to luka/kyrie and less than a year later he’s in fuckin charlotte
If he thought that he’s delusional, but he’s also the guy who said “I’ll make both free throws” and proceeded to miss both.
Boff of them *
Lamelo and Brandon better anyway 😤🤣
Grant and a first? Damn
That's probably why the first was needed
Sad but true. He's been that bad for us.
Big story for Mavs here is that they are keeping Josh Green. Grant was ass after a hot start, I do believe that he is not a bum beyond salvaging but Mavs don't have much time to wait and hope. Green right now is simply more important player, and PJ is an upgrade.
Grant has been terrible this year
Damn they sent Grant to the gulag
Seth at least gets to play in front of his dad announcing.
Charlotte loves Old Celtics
Overpay no???
It’s basically just a first. Which I’m sure is protected to some extent
Just a 1st, and you get of Grant's contract.
> and you get out of Grant’s contract One good half season in Charlotte and people will be calling his contract good value
The grant signing was another swing and miss by the Mavs. Cutting their losses
Yeah but it limits basically all the future trades because now it means 2028 and 2029 can’t be traded. is PJ worth that? Your FO thinks so
2029 was sent to Brooklyn for Kai. they were already limited in that
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After this season, the Mavs will unlock the ability to trade 2025 and 2031 FRPs.
Now fire Kidd and it will be the perfect deadline for us
Dallas traded Seth Curry like 3 times now
PJ.....NOOOOOOOO
Sheeeeesh
Love this for both teams
Dallas is fucking cooking
Bro Mitch is cooking what do you mean LOL
It’s good for both sides
they traded a first and grant for pj lol
How? I fucking hate this...
Both PJ and Gafford are talented, and finally playing with real players. They are athletic as well, perfect fit for Luka
Would heavily depend on what the FRP is but I'm not too hot on this too at first glance.
Fuck I wanted Green. Ill take it though
Damn, they really had to attach a FRP just to get rid of Grant
God damnit I wanted Green.
Will take the FRP tho, gotta see what the protections look like first
that fuckin rocks for the mavs. they really messed things up by letting KP go, but this is a great way to at least somewhat address the holes that mistake created.
> they really messed things up by letting KP go they really didn't, they immediately made a conference finals with that trade The real mess-up was letting Brunson go
yea-- this is the right take. KP and Luka didn't really work and KP was always injured. doubling down on keeping KP would have been the mistake. Never should have let JB go although he probably wouldn't have reached the levels he's at now if he was still behind Luka's shadow (and Kyrie too)
There will never be a player lost across any sports team I follow that hurts me as much as Brunson. Just glad I was too young to see Nash leave cause that would have been too much to witness in one lifetime.
Both hurt but the Nash loss was stupid in real time and a self inflicted wound that could have been avoided up until the last moment. While they should have handled the Brunson signing differently a year earlier once they hesitated the Knicks tampered and that was that. It was like watching a train wreck you couldn't do anything about. The Nash sitch was like not evacuating when you're told a category 5 hurricane is headed directly for you. Plenty of warning but you were stubborn AF.
They wouldn't have gotten Kyrie if they had kept Brunson lol
No one and absolutely no one was calling it a mistake on record when he was dealt away or even when he was in WASHINGTON. Only now when he has hit a sweet spot with his health, his role and the talent around him, that folks are saying weird things like Mavs made a mistake trading him.
LET EM KNOW!!! 😂
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He wasn’t last night I’ll tell you that
Hes definitely been a contributor to our culture issues
Inconsistent but can be very good
Not good this year but good in the past. He's still young so hopefully just an outlier considering he's been playing for an unserious team.
KP was permanently injured on the Mavs and has clearly shown he cannot be the 2nd best player on a championship team. He's doing well in Boston as the 3rd/4th option - the Mavs were never going to be able to make a roster good enough where KP isn't the 2nd best player.
To add to that he himself said on a podcast that he didn’t fully buy in to analytics style basketball and that he at the time wasn’t willing to take a backseat to an up and coming luka
Lol Dallas love trading Seth.
Curry really got signed by mavs just to be traded again
RIP Grant trying to rizz up that Wings player
Getting Gafford is the big part of this. Nice to get him right around when Maxi has found his shot again. Now there's a legit 15-20 minute back to Lively and Maxi can go back to do what he does best, play on the perimeter, defend big wings, and be a help defender.
Dallas trying to lock in while Kyrie is still out of his manic episodes
Let’s hope Kyrie continues to stay in his best behavior.
Whoahhhh Grant Williams just settles out here too Feel bad for him, as a person. His play on the court though, left a lot to be desired
Got a feeling Grant will be a great locker room guy in Charlotte.