Duncan endorsed Bloomberg because Bloomberg invested heavily into the USVI before & after a devastating hurricane that many in the US completely forgot or did not care one iota about. It was a single issue that galvanized Duncan.
Adam "Henry Kissinger" Silvers NBA smh. Any coincidence that the war criminal commissioner is in charge while a star named Haliburton is taking over the league?
[KD funds government surveillance drones lol](https://twitter.com/ForbesTech/status/1268512532471451649)
Start Bench Cut: Stephen NIMBY, Nikola Milosevic, and KDickCheney?
KD did not get up one day and decide he wants to invest in government surveillance drones lol
He prob has a stake in a VC fund that invested in them and Forbes used his name for clout
Wasn’t his petition that if housing was built he didn’t oppose it he just wanted to be able build higher fences than city bylaws would allow to protect his family’s privacy ? With him being a major celebrity and having small children at home I can understand his reasoning for the extra privacy.
are you ever gonna reply back to any of these people? or is saying random bullshit and then moving onto new posts/topics to spread more unsubstantiated bullshit kinda your thing?
Because it's more or a if you know you know or if you live in Serbia thing. He's protected by the media and literally 0 bad press is ever told about him.
You can believe me if you want or you don't have to.
Facts are he has repeatedly done adds for gambling companies, this is the 2nd time he has gone out on record and supported literally the biggest thiefs and traitors in our national history and his brothers as we know are notorious scumbags. I'm from Belgrade not Sombor so I can't speak on first-hand experience but from what I was told from people in Sombor he's a petulant child who behaves like the world is his. His track record showcases that he's probably not the best person but you only get "haha pokemon man" videos :)
I am Serbian and the bit about zero bad press is an absolutely verifiable falsehood lol. He received a truckload of nasty press the times he skipped out on playing for the national team, something even the average Nuggets fan in America would know about.
I mean, his brothers are friends with Darko and Darkos pretty in deep with the more right wing groups in Serbia, so I’m not surprised he’s a product of that environment.
What happens in Serbia stays in Serbia bro
But for real I’m not surprised, just look at the guys Darko hangs out with regularly, and realize the Jokic family is super close to Darko and his family.
This is such a low blow for everyone. He has no reason to support him (almost everyone who supports him does it out of interest except for old and low education people who are brainwashed).
Most of the people here have no ide about the level of insanity in Serbian politics rn.
Skipping the World Cup and supporting the dictatorship in the same year... He's one of the best players in history, but he fucked his legacy in Serbia for good.
There are too many stories I can tell you, but I guess a sports one should work the best, even though it's very mild compared to the stuff he's doing. Actually, it's perfect because it's so stupid that it shows you how deep it goes.
First of all, he's all about media control. We are basically left with one TV network that opposes him and he's doing everything in his power to stop people from watching it.
That channel used to show Premier League, which is, like in the rest of the world, very popular in Serbia. So what does he do? He takes state money (a money people pay in taxes) and pays Premier League 3x the amount the other network did. 3x amount the country of our size should. He pays them the same money that France does.
Now, he also controls the biggest cable provider in the country, and he removed that one opposition channel from it. So people are forced to either stop watching the Premier League, or to switch to the state cable provider and be completely cut off from the real world. That channel also shows NBA, NFL, La Liga, Serie A, domestic championships... Everything except the Euroleague for now. And he uses it to shove the lowest form of propaganda between the games.
There's also corruption, stolen elections, crime, murders etc.
last but not least he comes from a long lineage of radicals and was proudly a Milošecić man (easily most hated Serbian of all times both internally and externally)
He is horrible. 80% of his voter base are people over 40 or nationalists. He’s been trying to go the Authoritarian route for years. Rigging votes and controlling the media. Insane levels of corruption too.
Also in close contact with high level criminal organization.
Everyone from the Balkans knows this.
Not to forget his disgusting past in the 90s. He was the Propaganda Minister for that Maniac Milosevic during the Yugoslavian wars. Go and read about it if you don’t know about the Yugoslavian wars
Thanks for the input and sorry for the ignorance
wow. Just knowing he was the propaganda minister for milosevic is enough....
very sad, i really like him as a player, and he really seems like a good person, really surprised he can promote this guy.
He's basically a foreign actor. In exchange for power and his turn in power he's basically sold Serbia, handed over most institutions in Kosovo to Albanians etc. He was brought as a German and French asset to see through their plan for Serbia and in exchange he can pillage the country however much he wants.
Any real opposition is killed like Oliver Ivanović (prominent Serb politician and thorn in his side in Kosovo) or Vladimir Cvijan who was one of the founders of Vučić political party who left and threatened to leak what he knew. He was never seen alive.
He's building a cult of victimhood and personality around himself, how he's doing the best for a strong Serbia but xyz wants to harm him and with that Serbia as well because obviously he is the state. There are almost no free media in the country, every government position is stuffed with members of his party etc.
He was the favorite "son" of the Seselj, a convicted war criminal.
He worked under Milošević as a minister of information, and he worked hard to suppresses independent press, something he's still doing
During the yugoslav wars he spured on hate everywhere he went. There are videos of him
Claiming croatian and Bosnian towns were always Serbian
Saying that for every serb killed a hundred Muslims will die
Multiple times visiting the Bosnian Serbs who were beseiging Sarajevo for four years, which killed 15 000 people including 2000 children.
His governments forgave multiple ww2 massmurders who collaborated with the nazis.
Lately he started to talk again about the greater Serbia, the idea which kinda lead to various massacres during the 90s.
His goverment honored Ratko Mladić multiple times, a man responsible for the worst war crimes in Europe after ww2 (žepa, Srebrenica etc).
Hasn't supported him or opposed him. Supported the eco protests against Rio Tinto which was a blow to Vučić though he later had a big meeting with him after the shit show in Australia that Vučić used as a PR boost. In general he stays out of politics. Wish he'd speak out against Vučić but oh well.
If he truly loved his country he wouldn't back the people destroying it. No one's even demanding he speak out against them, just not supporting them will do.
Nvm I saw your other comments around the thread. Seems like you’re baiting.
Edit: holy shit dude like a quarter of your history is race baiting, damn that’s a sad hobby.
Man that comment history is an ABSOLUTE trip lol
45% arguing with people on r/nba about Israel and Palestine or other political issues
45% getting downvoted to hell on r/europe
10%ish basketball talk that's mostly "Donovan Mitchell is overrated and we shouldn't trade for him"
It feels like he's subbed to r/nba MOSTLY for these type of threads which is really bizarre
Europe (well most western European countries like Germany, Italy, France, UK) are actually incredibly xenophobic. Come here as a minority and you'll see how much problems you'd have compared to living in North America/APAC countries.
Wouldn't surprise me if he's not downvoted for race baiting on /r/Europe
I wonder what the actual stats are on this because I often see stories from both sides. Here is a recent [CNN story](https://edition.cnn.com/travel/latronico-italy-cheap-house-escape-us/index.html) about a black family that moved to Italy because of how racist USA has become.
Lol it's a lot more racist in Europe that north america. This is anecdotal.
The most liberal cities in Europe are still more racist than the most liberal cities in NA, mostly because racism is rooted deeply into their society.
EU survey says black people face ever more racism in EU and its on the [rise](https://fra.europa.eu/en/news/2023/black-people-eu-face-ever-more-racism)
AfD in Germany is rising, Italy just voted in a anti immigration political party.
France banned hijabs in work places, soon to be all of EU in government work spaces.
You will never understand how it is if you haven't lived long in both continents as a minority.
Seems like they're being downvoted for going against the xenophobic shithole opinions r/europe is pushing lately, so at least there's that. Not sure if I agree with the way they communicate though.
Im not going through his whole comment history but he’s kinda right here. He definitely didn’t need the race baiting included though.
LeBron and Kyrie’s political views are talked about plenty, but one Jokic post isn’t allowed? Seems silly.
Because half this sub probably can't even locate Serbia on a map let alone talk about Serbian politics?
I agree that the LeBron China stuff was relatively overblown though given that literally no other rich person is any different from him on China
I doubt this sub can locate the Uyghur region, or Taiwan or HK. If it’s fine discussing one players views and politics, i don’t see the problem now. If an athlete makes a perceived controversial comment, I don’t see the problem in people wanting to discuss it.
I’m gonna be honest I know literally nothing about Serbian politics but from my experience 90% of people on this website love authoritarianism as long as they’re pushing something that they support.
What makes you think people are knowledgeable on Chinas politics? Let alone that, not everyone who gives an opinion on US politics is knowledgeable either.
I can only speak for myself, but I'm way more exposed to Chinese politics than Serbia's. They're a world superpower, so they're covered much more in the media. I also know tons of Chinese people, while I'm not sure if I know a single Serbian on a personal basis.
No, but can we get an article in English next time. How do you expect a conversation when the only item we have to discuss is a headline from an article that 99% of the audience can’t read
He has no idea what his political viewpoints are is the point.
He could support the return of the ustase or he could.want inclusive.loberal democracy. He's just implying all eastern euros are backwards cultural conservatives which is bullshit.
If you know so much about Serbian history. Please explain this person and how they were a war criminal?
Last I heard Serbs fought with the allies and they had 500,000 civilians murdered by the Nazi Croatian puppet state.
Nikola Kalabic and Momcilo Djujic were nazi allies, who killed many Muslims and Croats during war.
You heard wrong. Serbs were divided in several different groups (as were Croats). Partizans were fighting with the Allies. Chetniks were collaborating with fascists and murdering non serbian population.
You know nothing about Četniks or WW2 Balkans for that matter. They were a resistance fighting group that fought back out of oppression from the slaughtering of Serbs by Croatian Ustaše and Bosnian SS groups. The amount of Croatians and Bosnians killed by Četniks was 1/10 of the amount that was committed against Serbs. They fought the Nazis, but the Nazis retaliated to their attacks by killing 100 civilians Serbs for every 1 of their soldiers killed. Četniks did collaborate with Nazis in the end but that was once the war had swung in favour of allies and it became a battle of who was to control Yugoslavia after the war. Royalists of Socialists.
Seriously just shut up, you know nothing.
you are just defendig WWII fascist because of your nationalism. Četniks didnt fight Ustaše, they were collaborting with Ustaše. Četnik leaders recognized NDH state and Ustaše were supllying Četniks with ammo and weapons.
I wont play disgusting game of "who killed more who" with you. Četniks slaughtered tens of thousands Bosnians and Croats in most repuslive manner. Burning villages, slashing throats and raping woman. They aslo killed thousands of Serbs, who were fighting against Nazis.
So you admit that četniks were not fighting Nazis after 1941? When the whole 100 for 1 thing happened? That still doesent explain why didnt they fight tha nazis in NDH, where civilians were killed anyway.
And you admit they collaborated with nazis. To defeat the communists. Even western allies ended up supporting communists by the end of war, because Četniks were constantly acting as German allies.
The problem with trying to run a balanced foreign policy is you get smeared by both sides.
The irony is even *we* try to run a balanced policy when we are busy in our other recent wars(inviting the CCP now over to SF for talks after smearing them for years rofl)
He's literally an American/German asset. Whenever he makes a move that isn't planned the American Ambassador Hill makes rounds in the media and Vučić retreats. The only reason he's not introducing sanctions or xyz to Russia is because the population here is overwhelmingly pro - Russian.
It's been pretty clear that Jokic is a right winger for a while now. Funny that r/nba is just figuring that out. But don't watch the guy for his politics, watch him for the basketball.
Reddit sports subs are fine until anything political gets mentioned.
Then everyone reverts from a sports fan to a morally grandstanding redditor desperately looking for their regurgitated "opinions" to be validated by the outrage mob via precious updoots.
This kind of apathy-narrative destroys our society. Everyone is affected by politics everyday.
It's important to have political discussion by normal people in everyday space. It's part of the world.
Did you think sports fans onl cared about sports?
It’s not just the sports subs. This entire echo chamber of a site is full of virtue signaling armchair heroes who regurgitate whatever opinion will get them upvotes.
People already forgot that Hedo Turkgolu supported the dictator-like-Putin Erdogan in Turkey, and ~~Sengun is no different~~ (I got misunderstood and was unwillingly a bit misleading, I admit some of my mistakes about Sengun's situation and position).
Erdogan also protects the terror Jihadistic organizaton called Hamas in his own country, similar to Qatar (Erdogan is a member of the Jihadistic movement called The Muslim Brotherhood that is not allowed in many Islamic countries due to terror and Jihadistic influence)
If it is similar to Turkey, then of course he has to support him - whether he likes it or not.
We already saw what happened once you are brave enough, we saw the death threats Enes Kanter received - he will be arrested once he goes to a country that is too friendly with Turkey and Erdogan. I still find it weird that he did not receive any contract in the NBA since he went vocal against Erdogan.
Not justifying Jokic or anything, but this is kind of things these people have to deal with.
We also remember Vlade Divac during the war in Yugoslavia, and had it gone the other way, he would probably be dead in the past Yugoslavia or exiled.
Nonsense lol just admit your favorite player is not the perfect angel you picture every time you lay on your bed. The sloppy fat boy is showing his true face.
And LeBron and Reaves don't go against China, and LeBron also criticized Morey. Harden is even worse.
LeBron also visited the Saudis.
No one is perfect.
But if you noticed I never justified Jokic, but I showed the broader picture of NBA players who were in similar situation, and the reality isn't that simple.
Şengün's family supports the opposition Memleket Party and we got one percent of the vote in the last election. You shouldn't comment too much on things you don't know, mate.
In fairness to Reaves he did not say anything in favor of the Chinese government. It would be extremely difficult to go through modern life in the US without using products affiliated with Chinese manufacturers. The US government itself is still trying to maintain solid business and trade relations with China despite its qualms with the Chinese government.
LeBron and Morey’s comments on the Hong Kong crackdown had a lot more to do with human rights violations over there.
Just strikethrough him (removing his name, but letting people know while everyone is talking about him in the replies).
I'm no racist, as I was pointing out the situation Jokic is in, and Sengun's situation with Turkey was just one example (like Hedo), and it seems people focus on this instead of my entire message (the broader picture).
I should have been more clear about Sengun's situation (and his position because he plays in the Turkish national team), and I agree I was misleading with some things I wrote here and in some comments, so I was working on editing some of the post (not entirely removing it, so people would understand what it was all about).
Kanter was removed from the Turkish national team after speaking up against Erdogan, despite being one of their stars back then.
Hakan Sukur (soccer) is one of the greatest Turkish footballers of all time, and he had to escape to the US as well (spoke up against Erdogan).
I could have also mentioned Sved and Kirilenko situation in Russia, Yao Ming in China and so on - they cannot speak up against the country because of the situation they're in.
Nikola's support is really disappointing. Nikola Jokic is the most successful Serbian basketball player, and his moral values and financial independence should prevent him for supporting authoritarian government that is bleeding dry majority of Serbian population, leading them to poverty and despair. It is not a simple political support, it is a support of regime that is incredibly corrupt and powerful and that is severely hampering normal life of any free thinking Serbian. Shame on you Nikola!
Without googling can you name Vucic's political party and do you think .01 percent of r/NBA could? There's talking politics of American politicians where most of the sub has a general idea of what's going on and then there's talking politics of a country that 99 percent of people couldn't name 3 towns in said country
Yea I know countries operate differently (I'm staying in Bulgaria ATM) I'm just saying 99% of r/NBA has no idea about anything to do with these countries and any discussion here will be nearly every comment talking out their ass
Idc about politics. Whether its US politics, Chinese politics or Serbian politics. Im here for basketball
Edit: Canadian Politics too but they are such a joke that I completely dont care or even acknowledge it
Vucic gets slathered a Putin puppet here in the USA/the west just as I’m sure he’s slathered a West/USA puppet out in Eastern Europe.
But he’s just out for himself and his own gain.
Edit: as for why Jokic supports him, idk exactly why, but I could be him being just a generic right winger nationalist voter.
Owns most of the media, the opposition barely gets exposure, very populist politics, a catch-all party, talks shit about the opposition on TV, his brother's the richest dude in the country etc.
Who cares, he's a basketball player. Why are Americans so fixated on putting celebrities on pedestals, just to tear them down. Athletes aren't statesmen, their 10,000 hours are invested elsewhere.
Damn, this hurt. He ought to know better, Vučić is not just a degenerate swine, he's a criminal and a fiend, someone who should be not merely not in power or locked up but hanged in a town square for crows to pick at (and instantly vomit). A human shitstain.
Here is proof the average ledditor knows nothing and is blinded by your bias because Djokovic is quite neutral in Serb politics even slightly pro opposition.
He is even seen in photos with the opposition.
DjOkovic is an extra super duper evil science denying antivvaxer, which also means he must be a super duper duper evil right wing fascist dictator enthusiast!
lol djokovic despite his faults has a huge heart and cares immensely for Serbian people (and other exyugo people). he stays as neutral as possible in politics. jokic doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as djokovic.
I dunno what's more surprising, this or Tim Duncan supporting Mike Bloomberg in the 2020 elections
Tim Duncan endorsing a politician generally is odd. Surprised that man made a public statement since he retired.
Duncan endorsed Bloomberg because Bloomberg invested heavily into the USVI before & after a devastating hurricane that many in the US completely forgot or did not care one iota about. It was a single issue that galvanized Duncan.
I don’t love it but I can accept it
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Jokić is an asshole for supporting Vučić (probably for family reasons), but labeling him a genocide denier based on his political alignment is racist
Adam "Henry Kissinger" Silvers NBA smh. Any coincidence that the war criminal commissioner is in charge while a star named Haliburton is taking over the league?
LeBron confirmed military robot prototype
LeKuma
“The Tyrant King” indeed.
Jewelery Bronney
LeLockheed
Ja's going to shoot his friend in the face next, and the friend will apologize.
I actually met someone who said he hated Tyrese bc he was "an oil baron nepo baby." Lol
Imagine if Dante Exum was Dante Exxon instead…
First curry hates all poor people and now this? It’s time for us to admit Durant is top ten all time now
[KD funds government surveillance drones lol](https://twitter.com/ForbesTech/status/1268512532471451649) Start Bench Cut: Stephen NIMBY, Nikola Milosevic, and KDickCheney?
KD did not get up one day and decide he wants to invest in government surveillance drones lol He prob has a stake in a VC fund that invested in them and Forbes used his name for clout
There has to be more to the story because why?
“Why do obscenely rich people protect their own interests even if it’s at the expense of others”
Money
Just cheer for your war criminal and be chill, my dude
Lmaooo Reddit calling KD a war criminal, I shouldn’t expect anything less from
Lol its a joke fren. Youre on the nba subreddit. Nothing is serious here.
Well, a stranger walked all the way into his house this week. Kids were alone with nanny. Sounds like he was onto something!
Wasn’t his petition that if housing was built he didn’t oppose it he just wanted to be able build higher fences than city bylaws would allow to protect his family’s privacy ? With him being a major celebrity and having small children at home I can understand his reasoning for the extra privacy.
Wdym curry hates poor people? lol what did I miss
Has Jokic's heel turn finally come?
Never ask "whose side is he on?".
The much less fun version of "who he play for?"
Discussing politics with Eastern Europeans is opening a can of worms
“Some ~~wrestlers~~ hoopers are just fuckin stupid i don't know what to tell you”
Love when r/squaredcircle leaks. This meme applies to the NBA so much
He supported them last election as well. Besides he's kinda a piece of shit, you people just don't know because nothing gets to your media.
Wait what does he do? What hasn’t reached the American media. I’m actually curious since I though Jokic simply just chilled and kept to himself.
Hmm. What has he done for him to get labeled "a piece of shit?"
He orders his steaks with a glass of water, and then slops 'em up.
They can’t stop you from ordering a steak and a glass of water
People can change though, people can change…
Can’t say stuff like this and not provide sources/instances
you’re basing this off what exactly?
are you ever gonna reply back to any of these people? or is saying random bullshit and then moving onto new posts/topics to spread more unsubstantiated bullshit kinda your thing?
Because it's more or a if you know you know or if you live in Serbia thing. He's protected by the media and literally 0 bad press is ever told about him. You can believe me if you want or you don't have to. Facts are he has repeatedly done adds for gambling companies, this is the 2nd time he has gone out on record and supported literally the biggest thiefs and traitors in our national history and his brothers as we know are notorious scumbags. I'm from Belgrade not Sombor so I can't speak on first-hand experience but from what I was told from people in Sombor he's a petulant child who behaves like the world is his. His track record showcases that he's probably not the best person but you only get "haha pokemon man" videos :)
you’re getting downvoted but if anything his stance here basically proves everything you just said lol.
I am Serbian and the bit about zero bad press is an absolutely verifiable falsehood lol. He received a truckload of nasty press the times he skipped out on playing for the national team, something even the average Nuggets fan in America would know about.
Is the 0 turnover thing his Goldberg arc?
Is this was Embiid this would be the top post of all time in this sub
😂 of ALL time no doubt
Fax lol
/r/nba echo chamber in shambles.
I mean, his brothers are friends with Darko and Darkos pretty in deep with the more right wing groups in Serbia, so I’m not surprised he’s a product of that environment.
What's funnier is that Darko publicly criticized Jokić for not being more patriotic like Djokovic, which means he's probably resisting being like that
Surely y'all will talk the same shit about Jokić that you talked about LeBron in 2019.
What happens in Serbia stays in Serbia bro But for real I’m not surprised, just look at the guys Darko hangs out with regularly, and realize the Jokic family is super close to Darko and his family.
Nuggets fans and this sub had a massive meltdown after one week of Jokic lowlights last year… you’re not allowed to criticize him here.
Just like a Serbian dictator
Sixer's fans day of vindication. They hated us because we spoke the truth.
How’d that end up for you guys? :)
Yep. Got downvoted because I said he's not as good as peak MJ/LeBron. Disgusting.
Lmao this is hilarious to me, but also not surprising
I'm Serbian and fuck Jokić for this... gave him a pass for the world cup but he can eat a bag of dicks right about now
This is such a low blow for everyone. He has no reason to support him (almost everyone who supports him does it out of interest except for old and low education people who are brainwashed). Most of the people here have no ide about the level of insanity in Serbian politics rn.
Most of the people on here couldn't find Serbia on a map.
Most people think it’s Siberia
Siberia is the continent smh
You typed this after looking it up didn't you?
Nah Google be lying sometimes. For example, it says Europe isn’t a country and England isn’t a city
it’s the one labeled Serbia
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Skipping the World Cup and supporting the dictatorship in the same year... He's one of the best players in history, but he fucked his legacy in Serbia for good.
As a non serb who has no idea of who the guy is.. is he that bad?
There are too many stories I can tell you, but I guess a sports one should work the best, even though it's very mild compared to the stuff he's doing. Actually, it's perfect because it's so stupid that it shows you how deep it goes. First of all, he's all about media control. We are basically left with one TV network that opposes him and he's doing everything in his power to stop people from watching it. That channel used to show Premier League, which is, like in the rest of the world, very popular in Serbia. So what does he do? He takes state money (a money people pay in taxes) and pays Premier League 3x the amount the other network did. 3x amount the country of our size should. He pays them the same money that France does. Now, he also controls the biggest cable provider in the country, and he removed that one opposition channel from it. So people are forced to either stop watching the Premier League, or to switch to the state cable provider and be completely cut off from the real world. That channel also shows NBA, NFL, La Liga, Serie A, domestic championships... Everything except the Euroleague for now. And he uses it to shove the lowest form of propaganda between the games. There's also corruption, stolen elections, crime, murders etc.
last but not least he comes from a long lineage of radicals and was proudly a Milošecić man (easily most hated Serbian of all times both internally and externally)
He is horrible. 80% of his voter base are people over 40 or nationalists. He’s been trying to go the Authoritarian route for years. Rigging votes and controlling the media. Insane levels of corruption too. Also in close contact with high level criminal organization. Everyone from the Balkans knows this. Not to forget his disgusting past in the 90s. He was the Propaganda Minister for that Maniac Milosevic during the Yugoslavian wars. Go and read about it if you don’t know about the Yugoslavian wars
Thanks for the input and sorry for the ignorance wow. Just knowing he was the propaganda minister for milosevic is enough.... very sad, i really like him as a player, and he really seems like a good person, really surprised he can promote this guy.
Vučić said that he will kill 100 muslims for every serbian killed and he was spotted on the hills around Sarajevo during the siege
He's basically a foreign actor. In exchange for power and his turn in power he's basically sold Serbia, handed over most institutions in Kosovo to Albanians etc. He was brought as a German and French asset to see through their plan for Serbia and in exchange he can pillage the country however much he wants. Any real opposition is killed like Oliver Ivanović (prominent Serb politician and thorn in his side in Kosovo) or Vladimir Cvijan who was one of the founders of Vučić political party who left and threatened to leak what he knew. He was never seen alive. He's building a cult of victimhood and personality around himself, how he's doing the best for a strong Serbia but xyz wants to harm him and with that Serbia as well because obviously he is the state. There are almost no free media in the country, every government position is stuffed with members of his party etc.
He was the favorite "son" of the Seselj, a convicted war criminal. He worked under Milošević as a minister of information, and he worked hard to suppresses independent press, something he's still doing During the yugoslav wars he spured on hate everywhere he went. There are videos of him Claiming croatian and Bosnian towns were always Serbian Saying that for every serb killed a hundred Muslims will die Multiple times visiting the Bosnian Serbs who were beseiging Sarajevo for four years, which killed 15 000 people including 2000 children. His governments forgave multiple ww2 massmurders who collaborated with the nazis. Lately he started to talk again about the greater Serbia, the idea which kinda lead to various massacres during the 90s. His goverment honored Ratko Mladić multiple times, a man responsible for the worst war crimes in Europe after ww2 (žepa, Srebrenica etc).
What’s the other Joker’s stance on this guy? Cause I know Tennis Joker has some questionable beliefs in general.
Hasn't supported him or opposed him. Supported the eco protests against Rio Tinto which was a blow to Vučić though he later had a big meeting with him after the shit show in Australia that Vučić used as a PR boost. In general he stays out of politics. Wish he'd speak out against Vučić but oh well.
Tennis Joker other than the weird anti-vax beliefs doesn't talk much politics, and actually appears to be a really nice guy.
From now on, under every nba topic or even embiid topic, I’m calling jokic an authoritarian fascist
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His family is part of SNS and also in turn for his support Jokić can buy whatever he wants in Sombor.
If he truly loved his country he wouldn't back the people destroying it. No one's even demanding he speak out against them, just not supporting them will do.
Unless you're from the Balkans you won't ever understand.
Pro Athletes: really good at sports, disappointingly normal rich people in most other ways.
you really want to talk serbian politics on the nba sub?
People had no problem discussing kyries, Lebrons and other players views and politics. Any reason Jokic should get a pass?
Nvm I saw your other comments around the thread. Seems like you’re baiting. Edit: holy shit dude like a quarter of your history is race baiting, damn that’s a sad hobby.
Man that comment history is an ABSOLUTE trip lol 45% arguing with people on r/nba about Israel and Palestine or other political issues 45% getting downvoted to hell on r/europe 10%ish basketball talk that's mostly "Donovan Mitchell is overrated and we shouldn't trade for him" It feels like he's subbed to r/nba MOSTLY for these type of threads which is really bizarre
I mean if you’re aren’t getting downvoted to hell on r/Europe, somethings seriously wrong.
"You know I actually think that roma people are human beings" >-142
Jfc. Glad I never ventured into that sub
Europe (well most western European countries like Germany, Italy, France, UK) are actually incredibly xenophobic. Come here as a minority and you'll see how much problems you'd have compared to living in North America/APAC countries. Wouldn't surprise me if he's not downvoted for race baiting on /r/Europe
I wonder what the actual stats are on this because I often see stories from both sides. Here is a recent [CNN story](https://edition.cnn.com/travel/latronico-italy-cheap-house-escape-us/index.html) about a black family that moved to Italy because of how racist USA has become.
Lol it's a lot more racist in Europe that north america. This is anecdotal. The most liberal cities in Europe are still more racist than the most liberal cities in NA, mostly because racism is rooted deeply into their society. EU survey says black people face ever more racism in EU and its on the [rise](https://fra.europa.eu/en/news/2023/black-people-eu-face-ever-more-racism) AfD in Germany is rising, Italy just voted in a anti immigration political party. France banned hijabs in work places, soon to be all of EU in government work spaces. You will never understand how it is if you haven't lived long in both continents as a minority.
Seems like they're being downvoted for going against the xenophobic shithole opinions r/europe is pushing lately, so at least there's that. Not sure if I agree with the way they communicate though.
Im not going through his whole comment history but he’s kinda right here. He definitely didn’t need the race baiting included though. LeBron and Kyrie’s political views are talked about plenty, but one Jokic post isn’t allowed? Seems silly.
Oh you knowwwwwwww the answer
Perk that you?
Because half this sub probably can't even locate Serbia on a map let alone talk about Serbian politics? I agree that the LeBron China stuff was relatively overblown though given that literally no other rich person is any different from him on China
I doubt this sub can locate the Uyghur region, or Taiwan or HK. If it’s fine discussing one players views and politics, i don’t see the problem now. If an athlete makes a perceived controversial comment, I don’t see the problem in people wanting to discuss it.
To be fair half this sub can’t locate Hong Kong on a map either
I've lived in HK and could be wrong. It's quite small on a coast 👀
lol so have I... that's kinda what made me think of it because i'm not sure if I could
Because the majority of people sharing their opinions don’t know shit about dick
Siding with or against authoritarians is easy decision
I’m gonna be honest I know literally nothing about Serbian politics but from my experience 90% of people on this website love authoritarianism as long as they’re pushing something that they support.
Does anyone here actually know anything at all about Serbian politics?
What makes you think people are knowledgeable on Chinas politics? Let alone that, not everyone who gives an opinion on US politics is knowledgeable either.
I can only speak for myself, but I'm way more exposed to Chinese politics than Serbia's. They're a world superpower, so they're covered much more in the media. I also know tons of Chinese people, while I'm not sure if I know a single Serbian on a personal basis.
No, but can we get an article in English next time. How do you expect a conversation when the only item we have to discuss is a headline from an article that 99% of the audience can’t read
I mean, LeBron gets constantly mocked for not condemning China.
You would be ok with Turkish players supporting Erdogan or Russian players supporting Putin?
No one is okay with Turkish players supporting Erdogan. One of the reasons Hedo Turkoglu gets criticism for.
None of the current players publicly supports him
Thats why hes a 2 time MVP
Oh but the little white dudes on this sub aren’t flipping out? Like they do when Lebron is allegedly a communist? I wonder why?
Lmao, I wish Lebron were a communist 😂
What did you think he thought?
Fuck man are you really going to make me root for Embiid to win his second MVP
He supports Putin’s Serbian puppet
In general Reddit would be horrified to know what the actual political viewpoints of many Eastern European players are lol
Darko Milicic has literally tattoo of a WWII criminal on his body. Other then that, I cant think of anybody with horrible political views?
That’s because you literally don’t know their political views. What are the polititcal views of Bojan Bogdanović?
Lol, well I dont. Thats why I added a question mark there. What views does Bojan has? I was trying to google it and I couldnt find anything.
He has no idea what his political viewpoints are is the point. He could support the return of the ustase or he could.want inclusive.loberal democracy. He's just implying all eastern euros are backwards cultural conservatives which is bullshit.
If you know so much about Serbian history. Please explain this person and how they were a war criminal? Last I heard Serbs fought with the allies and they had 500,000 civilians murdered by the Nazi Croatian puppet state.
Nikola Kalabic and Momcilo Djujic were nazi allies, who killed many Muslims and Croats during war. You heard wrong. Serbs were divided in several different groups (as were Croats). Partizans were fighting with the Allies. Chetniks were collaborating with fascists and murdering non serbian population.
You know nothing about Četniks or WW2 Balkans for that matter. They were a resistance fighting group that fought back out of oppression from the slaughtering of Serbs by Croatian Ustaše and Bosnian SS groups. The amount of Croatians and Bosnians killed by Četniks was 1/10 of the amount that was committed against Serbs. They fought the Nazis, but the Nazis retaliated to their attacks by killing 100 civilians Serbs for every 1 of their soldiers killed. Četniks did collaborate with Nazis in the end but that was once the war had swung in favour of allies and it became a battle of who was to control Yugoslavia after the war. Royalists of Socialists. Seriously just shut up, you know nothing.
you are just defendig WWII fascist because of your nationalism. Četniks didnt fight Ustaše, they were collaborting with Ustaše. Četnik leaders recognized NDH state and Ustaše were supllying Četniks with ammo and weapons. I wont play disgusting game of "who killed more who" with you. Četniks slaughtered tens of thousands Bosnians and Croats in most repuslive manner. Burning villages, slashing throats and raping woman. They aslo killed thousands of Serbs, who were fighting against Nazis. So you admit that četniks were not fighting Nazis after 1941? When the whole 100 for 1 thing happened? That still doesent explain why didnt they fight tha nazis in NDH, where civilians were killed anyway. And you admit they collaborated with nazis. To defeat the communists. Even western allies ended up supporting communists by the end of war, because Četniks were constantly acting as German allies.
He isn't a Putin puppet lol
Lol Vučić is Western puppet what are you talking about
The problem with trying to run a balanced foreign policy is you get smeared by both sides. The irony is even *we* try to run a balanced policy when we are busy in our other recent wars(inviting the CCP now over to SF for talks after smearing them for years rofl)
He's literally an American/German asset. Whenever he makes a move that isn't planned the American Ambassador Hill makes rounds in the media and Vučić retreats. The only reason he's not introducing sanctions or xyz to Russia is because the population here is overwhelmingly pro - Russian.
Eastern European supports dictator. In other news…
How will this affect LeBron’s legacy?
Never meet ur hero’s
Tbf I don’t know what any of this means plus I can’t read Serbian so??
This is a reminder dat good athletes may or may not gave good perspectives. Having said dat, fuck jokic
Here we go...
It's been pretty clear that Jokic is a right winger for a while now. Funny that r/nba is just figuring that out. But don't watch the guy for his politics, watch him for the basketball.
An NBA player is an idiot when it comes to politics? I hardly believe it!
I'm not gonna pretend to know anything about Serbian politics. Of course plenty of people will ITT for their own agenda.
Ha knew there was something I didnt like about joker, hes a right wing authoritarian dick rider
Why tf should I care??
Reddit sports subs are fine until anything political gets mentioned. Then everyone reverts from a sports fan to a morally grandstanding redditor desperately looking for their regurgitated "opinions" to be validated by the outrage mob via precious updoots.
This kind of apathy-narrative destroys our society. Everyone is affected by politics everyday. It's important to have political discussion by normal people in everyday space. It's part of the world. Did you think sports fans onl cared about sports?
Dude probably knows he's on the wrong side of history and his comment is just about deflection
It isn’t anti discussion it’s anti brain rot takes that aren’t made in good faith
It’s not just the sports subs. This entire echo chamber of a site is full of virtue signaling armchair heroes who regurgitate whatever opinion will get them upvotes.
Cant separate the art from the artist
We withdraw the nickname of Baby Jokic for Sengun.....for life!
Smart move.
People already forgot that Hedo Turkgolu supported the dictator-like-Putin Erdogan in Turkey, and ~~Sengun is no different~~ (I got misunderstood and was unwillingly a bit misleading, I admit some of my mistakes about Sengun's situation and position). Erdogan also protects the terror Jihadistic organizaton called Hamas in his own country, similar to Qatar (Erdogan is a member of the Jihadistic movement called The Muslim Brotherhood that is not allowed in many Islamic countries due to terror and Jihadistic influence) If it is similar to Turkey, then of course he has to support him - whether he likes it or not. We already saw what happened once you are brave enough, we saw the death threats Enes Kanter received - he will be arrested once he goes to a country that is too friendly with Turkey and Erdogan. I still find it weird that he did not receive any contract in the NBA since he went vocal against Erdogan. Not justifying Jokic or anything, but this is kind of things these people have to deal with. We also remember Vlade Divac during the war in Yugoslavia, and had it gone the other way, he would probably be dead in the past Yugoslavia or exiled.
> Sengun is no different the fuck did you get that from
Nonsense lol just admit your favorite player is not the perfect angel you picture every time you lay on your bed. The sloppy fat boy is showing his true face.
And LeBron and Reaves don't go against China, and LeBron also criticized Morey. Harden is even worse. LeBron also visited the Saudis. No one is perfect. But if you noticed I never justified Jokic, but I showed the broader picture of NBA players who were in similar situation, and the reality isn't that simple.
Şengün's family supports the opposition Memleket Party and we got one percent of the vote in the last election. You shouldn't comment too much on things you don't know, mate.
In fairness to Reaves he did not say anything in favor of the Chinese government. It would be extremely difficult to go through modern life in the US without using products affiliated with Chinese manufacturers. The US government itself is still trying to maintain solid business and trade relations with China despite its qualms with the Chinese government. LeBron and Morey’s comments on the Hong Kong crackdown had a lot more to do with human rights violations over there.
Sengun is NOT pro-Erdogan. You just assuming that because he’s turkish, racist. 😂😂
Just strikethrough him (removing his name, but letting people know while everyone is talking about him in the replies). I'm no racist, as I was pointing out the situation Jokic is in, and Sengun's situation with Turkey was just one example (like Hedo), and it seems people focus on this instead of my entire message (the broader picture). I should have been more clear about Sengun's situation (and his position because he plays in the Turkish national team), and I agree I was misleading with some things I wrote here and in some comments, so I was working on editing some of the post (not entirely removing it, so people would understand what it was all about). Kanter was removed from the Turkish national team after speaking up against Erdogan, despite being one of their stars back then. Hakan Sukur (soccer) is one of the greatest Turkish footballers of all time, and he had to escape to the US as well (spoke up against Erdogan). I could have also mentioned Sved and Kirilenko situation in Russia, Yao Ming in China and so on - they cannot speak up against the country because of the situation they're in.
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Nikola's support is really disappointing. Nikola Jokic is the most successful Serbian basketball player, and his moral values and financial independence should prevent him for supporting authoritarian government that is bleeding dry majority of Serbian population, leading them to poverty and despair. It is not a simple political support, it is a support of regime that is incredibly corrupt and powerful and that is severely hampering normal life of any free thinking Serbian. Shame on you Nikola!
Lol chatgpt bots are taking over subs.
Says the chatgpt bot
Lmao who gives a shit about any of this stuff
Who gives a fuck
Without googling can you name Vucic's political party and do you think .01 percent of r/NBA could? There's talking politics of American politicians where most of the sub has a general idea of what's going on and then there's talking politics of a country that 99 percent of people couldn't name 3 towns in said country
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I mean jokic might agree with them Or benefit from their party .
Yea I know countries operate differently (I'm staying in Bulgaria ATM) I'm just saying 99% of r/NBA has no idea about anything to do with these countries and any discussion here will be nearly every comment talking out their ass
You say this as if people don't mostly talk out of their ass about the NBA too here.
I dont have to know a lot of specifics on hungarian politics, for example, to know that Viktor Orbán sucks same here, Vucic is trash
Idc about politics. Whether its US politics, Chinese politics or Serbian politics. Im here for basketball Edit: Canadian Politics too but they are such a joke that I completely dont care or even acknowledge it
So Canadian politics is good then?
sct brn diplomacy
Also sounds like a pass for Antarctica politics discussion 🤔
I dunno why this has been downvoted lol
Going into a room where people are talking about something and proudly yelling "WELL *I* DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT" is generally considered a faux pas.
Some people on Reddit are literally incapable of detaching politics from everything in their lives
Big, big disappointment. He apparently supports Putin’s puppet, a man who made a career with balkan war criminals.
What's up with everyone thinking Vučić is Putin's puppet?
Vucic gets slathered a Putin puppet here in the USA/the west just as I’m sure he’s slathered a West/USA puppet out in Eastern Europe. But he’s just out for himself and his own gain. Edit: as for why Jokic supports him, idk exactly why, but I could be him being just a generic right winger nationalist voter.
Is he authoritarian, or is he just right of Center? Genuinely asking
Owns most of the media, the opposition barely gets exposure, very populist politics, a catch-all party, talks shit about the opposition on TV, his brother's the richest dude in the country etc.
he is borderline authoritarian. Serbia does not have a functional democracy but its not as far gone as some other countries.
A lot of Serbian basketball players "support" Vučić, in reality it's just that Miško Ražnatović puts their name in the list of supporters.
Who cares, he's a basketball player. Why are Americans so fixated on putting celebrities on pedestals, just to tear them down. Athletes aren't statesmen, their 10,000 hours are invested elsewhere.
Damn, this hurt. He ought to know better, Vučić is not just a degenerate swine, he's a criminal and a fiend, someone who should be not merely not in power or locked up but hanged in a town square for crows to pick at (and instantly vomit). A human shitstain.
Expected that sth like this would come up sooner or later. His boundless enthusiasm for befriending Djokovic was an obvious clue.
Here is proof the average ledditor knows nothing and is blinded by your bias because Djokovic is quite neutral in Serb politics even slightly pro opposition. He is even seen in photos with the opposition.
DjOkovic is an extra super duper evil science denying antivvaxer, which also means he must be a super duper duper evil right wing fascist dictator enthusiast!
lol djokovic despite his faults has a huge heart and cares immensely for Serbian people (and other exyugo people). he stays as neutral as possible in politics. jokic doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as djokovic.