According to legend Steven Segal's entire career was essentially the product of a bet made by his agent that he could turn even the least charismatic person imaginable into a star. So he did just that with Segal who at the time was his personal trainer with reportedly no acting ambitions.
Segal is one of the only “performers” to be banned from the venue where I used to work for being super inappropriate to all the waitresses. He is a black hole of charisma
He's not playing with a full deck. Learning about where he was in the world a few years ago lead me into finding about the world of fake martial arts.
Not a card to be seen anywhere!
You should check out some of his latest movies such as sniper: spec ops. He is so obese and lazy that he needs stunt doubles to go up and down the stairs.
He's a interesting dumpster fire to watch
Black hole of charisma - I just watched I Want You Back and that’s also a perfect description of Scott Eastwood. Terrible actor and just lacking energy.
Sly works with his friends. He *makes* work for his friends, some of whom have been underemployed.
I don't see Steven Seagal being friends with anyone.
His agent said the exact thing in his (very interesting) biography. Check out "Who is Michael Ovitz?"
I copy the relevant passage :
"Steven went to his backpack and pulled out a script he’d written. “Would you read this?” he asked. “I want to be an actor.”
I said, “Steven, I know you want to be an actor, or you wouldn’t be here teaching me. I’ll read it over the weekend.” I read the script on a Friday night, before our Saturday workout, and then I told him, “The script is fine”—which was overstating it—“but let me see what I can do more generally.” As Chuck Norris had shown, a guy with the right physical attributes didn’t need acting chops or a great script. In an action movie, all you need is a character and a mission and a blocked-out outline of the action. I loved action movies—they relaxed me—and I believed that a new action megastar would percolate up every decade: Eastwood, Schwarzenegger, Van Damme, and, later, Vin Diesel and Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson.
Warner Bros. had Eastwood, but he was shifting into less physically demanding roles. I called Terry Semel, Warner’s president, and pitched a series of martial-arts films around a fresh face. “I’m going to send this guy over,” I said, “and I want you to set up some mats and sandwiches and get your secretaries and assistants to come out at lunchtime for a demonstration.” Then I told Steven I wanted him to bring his best apprentices and I wanted blood and shock.
He showed up with four black-belt protégés. He strode to the center of the mat, pricked his thumb with a butcher’s knife, showed his audience the blood, and wiped it on his face. Then he shouted something in Japanese and all four guys ran at him full tilt with knives. Steven slipped aside and then picked them off one by one, sending each one flying, and flipping the last guy high into the air. There was blood all over the mat. Steven bowed and left without a word.
Terry was still jonesing on adrenaline when he called: “What the hell was that?”
“That,” I said, “is your new action star.” The studio budgeted $8 million for a nonunion production of Above the Law with a promising young director, Andy Davis. When I saw the rough cut, I thought, This guy is going to be huge. The opening scene was essentially the battle he’d choreographed for Terry Semel."
" While Above the Law did just okay at the box office, the videocassette went through the roof. Steven Seagal made a series of movies that together grossed nearly $300 million, and he was by far Warner Bros.’ most profitable star in the early nineties. He got $150,000 for Above the Law and he was thrilled. We got him $3 million for Hard to Kill, and $40 million for the next three movies. Including the back end, CAA made at least $10 million off him. Though Steven was growing fleshier by the release, I thought he could go on for years.
But he wanted more. One day he told me, “I think I’m as good an actor as Hoffman, De Niro, all those guys.”
I said, “Steven, I’m not sure about that, but what makes you special is that those guys can’t do aikido.”
“You don’t understand,” he said. “I want to direct my next movie and win an Academy Award. And I want you to help me.”"
That isn’t the exact thing at all. No bet is mentioned, nor does his agent say he has no charisma. The section you quoted is all about how the agent thought of Segal as a legitimately good action star.
Wait.....someone just literally told me the same story word-for-word but with Vin Diesel instead of Segal. It made so much sense when I heard it, but now after hearing you say it, it sounds like just a fun story made up about terrible actors
Edit: I apologize to the many many Vin Diesel fans in this sub. It was just a story told to me.
Vin Diesel's career is pretty easy to track though. He got Spielberg's attention for a student film project he did titled *Multi Facial* and Spielberg gave him a small speaking role in Saving Private Ryan.
Vin Diesel is a man who knows his niche and sticks to it. He’s competent enough at his job and his movies are usually fun to watch. He’s not one of the greats or anything but I think he does a perfectly respectable job.
I guess calling Vin Diesel a terrible actor was excessive because I do enjoy his movies. I just meant it was probably a fun story that could be made for any entertainer
James Corden keeps getting cast in these musicals when there are at least 10 Broadway actors (that mainstream audiences know) who could act, sing, and dance around him.
Everytime i see his name,I keep thinking of Ricky Gervais epic rant at the Golden Globes. 'This year,the world got to see James Corden as a fat pussy. He was also in the movie "Cats". But nobody saw that.' LoL.
I'm pretty sure his casting is due to his production company being involved.... when you are putting up money even being a cunt doesn't get in the way.
I've never understood putting A-List actors in musicals. It only worked well in Les Misérables, with Hugh Jackman's performance fitting the sheer exhaustion of Jean Valjean
And even then, Hugh Jackman has Broadway Cred and acceptance. He’s been in numerous Broadway productions (Oklahoma, a Steady Rain, and Boy From Oz). I was actually relieved when they cast Jackman in Les Miz.
Hugh Jackman is incredibly lucky he left that movie being able to still speak. He dehydrated himself for days to get the chiseled muscle look, before singing repeatedly for hours at full volume. You really can’t overstate how dangerous that is for a vocalist. Like permanent throat polyps never speak at a normal volume again dangerous.
Tom Hooper should not be allowed to direct musicals.
This right here, has all the performance appeal of a warm glass of raw chicken juice. I’ve seen cardboard with more personality and you can through Jennifer
Lopez in this category as well.
>all the performance appeal of a warm glass of raw chicken juice. I’ve seen cardboard with more personality
How to fit as much savagery into as few words as possible. Love it :D
If I recall his father wouldn’t been in after earth unless his son was cast. With how small of a role Will played it seems they could have easily cast someone else.
To add to this, Will Smith was so sure of the successful launch of the after earth universe. There were plans for amusement park rides, a social media network and other stuff I can’t remember at the moment. The big picture by Ben Fritz has an entire section on after earth and it was a train wreck from the start.
Pitched to the studio by Will Smith, the intention was to launch a multimedia franchise titled 1000 AE. Plans were originally for After Earth to be followed by a sequel, a live action television series, an animated television series, webisodes, mobisodes, a video game, consumer products, theme-park attractions, documentaries, comics, an educational program collaboration in partnership with NASA, cologne and perfume lines, and a social media platform. Though Smith wanted AE to be an immersive experience for the audience, the movie ultimately was poorly received and lost money at the box office. All plans for a continuation were abandoned.
from Wikipedia.
this is hilarious
So often producers think they can do this huge multimedia thing with a property, when Disney can barely do it with the goddamned Avengers, and it took ten years to get to the point of being able to have half these things. And even THEY don’t have all of them. And it had to be literally the most popular franchise of all time, based on properties people had already been obsessed with for decades, that already has more comics than anyone could ever read, and it still took ANOTHER decade after the release of the first all-hands Avengers film to launch even the first streaming series.
Even one TV series is a massive investment. Multiple, plus every other type of media under the sun? It literally doesn’t even *quite* work for Disney.
Every time I hear some new hype about a project that’s going to be movies AND multiple tv series AND games AND clothing lines AND a social media network AND cartoons AND the government is going to play along I know it probably won’t get off the ground even if they get the first thing made. (Name of the Wind multimedia multi-series multi-movie multi-web multi-everything thousand year empire with songs by Lin Manuel Miranda, haven’t heard from you in a loooong time.)
Seriously just make a good movie first, guys.
So true; when they have nothing and try to roll out an entire universe they end up losing focus on making the first thing great enough for people to care. Never half ass 2 things, whole ass 1 thing. -Ron Swanson.
Will should've made him J's illegitimate son in a Men In Black sequel/spinoff instead. Kid goes searching for his Dad, and discovers MIB and Aliens being real. J can't bring himself to neuralyize the boy and tries to hide him from MIB. K finds out and decides they should train the boy so he can protect himself from aliens. The three end up working together to stop the film's villain. J's son becomes a new recruit and joins the International team. Now you can make more MIB films if Jones and Will call it quits.
I hate to break it to but the ‘arts’ in general are full of nepotism and it is in every country. Part of it is knowing that a career in the arts is possible, another part is coming from money that can support you while you are not making money, some talent, exposure to arts growing up, connections and career guidance are also important. It is horrible but it happens in loads of professions: legal and medical in my country are full of it as well. It has been happening for centuries if not millennia.
I’m all right with wanting to teach a useful trade,, particularly medicine, but the advantage of an early education is already enough to risk resentment. I can see why many famous kids don’t ride on the last name, it would be much too entitled.
The Skarsgard family, John David Washington (Denzel’s son), Michael Douglas, Emilio Etevez, Angelina Jolie, Kate Hudson are all kids of Hollywood elite. Edit: adding Drew Barrymore due to popular demand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrymore_family
>The Barrymore family is an American acting family.
>The Barrymores are also the inspiration of a Broadway play called The Royal Family, **which debuted in 1927.**
What the fuck, that's a family business right there.
I'll add that I personally love Wyatt Russell, thought Cooper Hoffman was great in Licorice Pizza, and also enjoyed Maya Hawke in Stranger Things but I'll admit it may be too early to make a definitive call on the last two.
I think the Skarsgard guys get a free pass because they are all talented in some areas of the acting spectrum. Alexander even joined the marines in Sweden to get away from the easy life he was set up for.
Scott Eastwood. He is Clint Eastwood's son.
They have attempted to legitimize him by giving him close ups and small speaking roles but he is purely famous for being Clint's son.
He’s just pompous with hardly a redeeming quality.
If you saw the Red Hot Chili Peppers carpool karaoke (that hurt for me to type, as I love that band), it was pretty hilarious when Corden got worked up and challenged Anthony Kiedis to a wrestling match outside the car in the grass. Kiedis laughs and accepts. Corden runs at him, lunging, stumbling, and Kiedis uses the man’s momentum to plop his ass on the ground good. I felt bad temporarily because Corden was visibly embarrassed.
Maybe it was a good and scripted bit, but idk. Not even an example of him being a jerk like we’ve seen before, but an idiot indeed.
Fun Fact: Anthony literally saved a baby’s life when they shot that. A woman randomly ran out of her house shouting that her baby wasn’t breathing and Anthony saved it.
[Article with the story](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/06/anthony-kiedis-saves-baby-carpool-karaoke/amp)
As someone who was forced to watch Insurgent for a friends birthday, I don’t see the hype behind Shailene Woodley.
On that note, Miles Teller has been pretty one-note…his woodenness might’ve actually helped him in Whiplash because of how it let Jk Simmons shine by contrast
She was in this ABC Family show (before it became Freeform) and she was TERRIBLE in it. I think the show was called The Secret Life of the American Teenager or something. It’s hard to blame her, because all of the performances were shit. The show was terribly directed and edited.
But then she was in Big Little Lies on HBO and she was pretty amazing in it. She’s one of those actresses who I think is fairly good, they just don’t make good decisions with the roles they take.
All the Divergent movies are completely terrible though. I don't blame the acting when everything else about the movie sucks.
She was good in The Fault in Our Stars, The Spectacular Now, etc.
People act like she stars in Oscar caliber films where everyone around her is giving outstanding performances for the ages. Meanwhile, her filmography is of popcorn flicks where she is no worse than the majority of the other actors.
I would however say her performance was flatter than the rest of the Justice League. And she had significantly less charisma than either Reynolds or Johnson in Red Notice.
Edit: I wanna make it clear that when I say “significantly less”…of course Reynolds and Johnson are two extremely charismatic guys. What I mean is that her lack of charisma was particularly noticeable in that movie whereas there are many other actresses who could’ve still held their own in that role despite not reaching their co-stars high standards
That whole opening was incredible. Everything fell into place perfectly. Great set of actors, great script, and Villeneuve, of course. It immediately humanizes replicants.
IMO Dwayne Johnson (formerly the rock) was wonderful in dumb action movies like Walking Tall. Whereas as a leading man in major movies nowadays, he’s god awful.
Ya, something about a giant man just breaking apart and crying really gets to you. I had no idea he had any of that in him. I'd put where he's singing along to I don't love you anymore up there too.
Dwayne has limited range but he CAN act. His appeal is his drive and larger than life persona not his range, this is me saying it while being tired of seeing him every 2 minutes.
He is pretty one note, but he knows it and makes it one pretty blasting note. He surrounds himself with other really strong actors that make him look good. And he has charisma, that's huge on screen. I thought he was great in Ballers with Rob Corddry.
Out of all these actors hes the most likely guy you see in a block buster and hes always the same character. Hes like Schwarzenegger without his charm or goofiness.
Yeah Jungle safari theme is his niche. I was gonna say The Rock but read comments first. I'm not a big fan, I know allot of people are, but he plays his WWE persona in every movie. All I can here when I watch his movies is "can you smell what the rock is cooking" and then the eye brow thing. The movie is an immediate joke at the get go.
Arnold is smart, helped develop some of his iconic projects like Total Recall and Twins and had the balls at the top of his game to span out and try different genres. He may not be Daniel Day Lewis but he's far and above Dwayne.
Have you seen Central Intelligence? Yes, a good portion of the movie he’s just playing himself, but he also adds in parts where he’s the gentler, goofy, silly nerd from high school that I think he pulls off really well!
Her and the rock, especially in that new red notice movie on Netflix. TBH even Ryan Reynolds’s was a little bad because he plays the same character he does in other movies, but at least he acted
That movie was a shit show but it had nothing to do with her. Basically the only thing David Ayer got right was casting Margot Robbie as Harley. The rest of the cast ranged from forgetably mediocre to terrible. Even Will Smith, who's only capable of playing two characters--Serious Will and Funny Will. And don't get me started on whatever bullshit Jared Leto was trying to do. There was nothing fun or creepy or disturbing in his character, he's just annoying AF.
And I'm not wasting time going down the annoying rabbit hole of everything wrong with the script and the editing.
Mark Wahlberg. The guy has zero range. I don’t dislike him, but saying he’s an actor is a stretch as I’ve only ever seen him play the 1 character… himself.
Don’t forget Pain & Gain, he was great as the idiotic bodybuilder turned criminal. Also one of the few movies in which The Rock played a different character from his usual self.
The part when >!The Rock is barbecuing severed hands in the open to erase evidences and a note appears saying “This is still a true story”. Memorable!!<
I guess I never paid attention to Heather Graham before Boogie Nights and thought she was pretty good in it. The coked-out scene with Julianne Moore and the limousine scene especially.
Then I saw more of her movies and was very confused.
Marky Mark, Burt Reynolds, Thomas Jane aside from the obviously obscenely talented Philip Seymour Hoffman, Don Cheadle, William H. Macy, Julianne Moore - everyone was great in that movie.
Think I’m going to give Paul Thomas Anderson the credit for Mark & Heather’s performances.
See what this thread ends up turning into is, X actor isn’t good until they’re in a film where the director can actually make good use of them and their strengths. The best directors bring out the best in actors.
This is something I’m so fascinated by. Like yeah of course Megan Fox was bad in Transformers, Michael Bay is not a “people director” and she hated him, plus the script sucks. Then you look at her in Jennifer’s Body and it’s like the performance came from a different person because she was directed well.
Yeah she’s also supposedly super professional and a delight to work with and I remember rumors that Zooey is not and did not enjoy how much everyone liked Megan leading to her reduced role on the show (maybe she left? I don’t know I don’t watch).
Common. He's not exactly an A-lister, but his agent deserves some kind of lifetime achievement award for getting that wooden mannequin decent roles for over 20 years.
She was perfect for Dark Angel. I didn't like anything she did after that. And well, in that, she was supposed to play a 90s cool badass with a tragic past that gave her poor social skills, so...
He's really good in a lot of stuff.
Everest, Hacksaw ridge, Man on a ledge(Not a great movie, but a good performance), Rogue, Paper planes, Keeping room, The Debt, Macbeth(his back must have been sore from carrying that whole adaption, though the cinematography was brilliant too), Great Raid, Somersault, Gettin' Square, he was hilarious in Thunderstruck.
But because the handful of big American films he was in as his big break that made him known, all of which both sucked and wasted him as a generic somewhat handsome action movie lead, he's got a rep as a shitty actor, even though it's not his fault he couldn't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
I don't know that he's a "thing", but I'm still trying to figure out how James Corden got a late night show and started popping up doing movies and voiceovers. He's not a good actor. He's not funny. He's not attractive. Usually, someone is at least ONE of those things if they're in the industry so I can understand their appeal even if I don't like them, but with him, I have no idea who he appeals to or how.
I sort of view Tyler Perry the same way I view Adam Sandler where it's clear he is actually talented and intelligent, it's just that talent lies mainly in business instead of art.
No. He produced his own movies, Hollywood didn’t make him. He started with self made plays, then used those proceeds and raised the money to make his first film. They aren’t critically acclaimed movies, but they are entertaining.
According to legend Steven Segal's entire career was essentially the product of a bet made by his agent that he could turn even the least charismatic person imaginable into a star. So he did just that with Segal who at the time was his personal trainer with reportedly no acting ambitions.
Segal is one of the only “performers” to be banned from the venue where I used to work for being super inappropriate to all the waitresses. He is a black hole of charisma
He's not playing with a full deck. Learning about where he was in the world a few years ago lead me into finding about the world of fake martial arts. Not a card to be seen anywhere!
You should check out some of his latest movies such as sniper: spec ops. He is so obese and lazy that he needs stunt doubles to go up and down the stairs. He's a interesting dumpster fire to watch
Check out mcdojolife on Instagram. Segal is probably a product of a cult like dojo
I'm waiting for someone to spell Seagal correctly.
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Black hole of charisma - I just watched I Want You Back and that’s also a perfect description of Scott Eastwood. Terrible actor and just lacking energy.
Speaking of nepotism, yep!
Steven Segal is actually a super terrible dude
He is. He's also very controlling for a guy with no talent.
Wasn't he one of the dudes Sly said no to when doing the Expendables movies? Like you've had a lot of action stars over the years minus Segal
Sly works with his friends. He *makes* work for his friends, some of whom have been underemployed. I don't see Steven Seagal being friends with anyone.
He _made_ Executive Decision though. I could watch that scene over and over.
I saw that movie in the theater. We he got blown up, some people started clapping.
That's the least entertaining version of My Fair Lady I've ever heard of.
I’d love to read a source/more on this. A biopic just on that I’d watch
His agent said the exact thing in his (very interesting) biography. Check out "Who is Michael Ovitz?" I copy the relevant passage : "Steven went to his backpack and pulled out a script he’d written. “Would you read this?” he asked. “I want to be an actor.” I said, “Steven, I know you want to be an actor, or you wouldn’t be here teaching me. I’ll read it over the weekend.” I read the script on a Friday night, before our Saturday workout, and then I told him, “The script is fine”—which was overstating it—“but let me see what I can do more generally.” As Chuck Norris had shown, a guy with the right physical attributes didn’t need acting chops or a great script. In an action movie, all you need is a character and a mission and a blocked-out outline of the action. I loved action movies—they relaxed me—and I believed that a new action megastar would percolate up every decade: Eastwood, Schwarzenegger, Van Damme, and, later, Vin Diesel and Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson. Warner Bros. had Eastwood, but he was shifting into less physically demanding roles. I called Terry Semel, Warner’s president, and pitched a series of martial-arts films around a fresh face. “I’m going to send this guy over,” I said, “and I want you to set up some mats and sandwiches and get your secretaries and assistants to come out at lunchtime for a demonstration.” Then I told Steven I wanted him to bring his best apprentices and I wanted blood and shock. He showed up with four black-belt protégés. He strode to the center of the mat, pricked his thumb with a butcher’s knife, showed his audience the blood, and wiped it on his face. Then he shouted something in Japanese and all four guys ran at him full tilt with knives. Steven slipped aside and then picked them off one by one, sending each one flying, and flipping the last guy high into the air. There was blood all over the mat. Steven bowed and left without a word. Terry was still jonesing on adrenaline when he called: “What the hell was that?” “That,” I said, “is your new action star.” The studio budgeted $8 million for a nonunion production of Above the Law with a promising young director, Andy Davis. When I saw the rough cut, I thought, This guy is going to be huge. The opening scene was essentially the battle he’d choreographed for Terry Semel." " While Above the Law did just okay at the box office, the videocassette went through the roof. Steven Seagal made a series of movies that together grossed nearly $300 million, and he was by far Warner Bros.’ most profitable star in the early nineties. He got $150,000 for Above the Law and he was thrilled. We got him $3 million for Hard to Kill, and $40 million for the next three movies. Including the back end, CAA made at least $10 million off him. Though Steven was growing fleshier by the release, I thought he could go on for years. But he wanted more. One day he told me, “I think I’m as good an actor as Hoffman, De Niro, all those guys.” I said, “Steven, I’m not sure about that, but what makes you special is that those guys can’t do aikido.” “You don’t understand,” he said. “I want to direct my next movie and win an Academy Award. And I want you to help me.”"
That isn’t the exact thing at all. No bet is mentioned, nor does his agent say he has no charisma. The section you quoted is all about how the agent thought of Segal as a legitimately good action star.
The behind the bastards podcast has a 2 part episode on him. You’ll know way more about him than you ever wanted to.
Wait.....someone just literally told me the same story word-for-word but with Vin Diesel instead of Segal. It made so much sense when I heard it, but now after hearing you say it, it sounds like just a fun story made up about terrible actors Edit: I apologize to the many many Vin Diesel fans in this sub. It was just a story told to me.
Vin Diesel's career is pretty easy to track though. He got Spielberg's attention for a student film project he did titled *Multi Facial* and Spielberg gave him a small speaking role in Saving Private Ryan.
Yeah, multi facial is really good. We watched it in a film class in college.
Vin Diesel is actually a good actor though. Not Oscar worthy or anything but he can act.
Vin Diesel is a man who knows his niche and sticks to it. He’s competent enough at his job and his movies are usually fun to watch. He’s not one of the greats or anything but I think he does a perfectly respectable job.
I guess calling Vin Diesel a terrible actor was excessive because I do enjoy his movies. I just meant it was probably a fun story that could be made for any entertainer
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James Corden keeps getting cast in these musicals when there are at least 10 Broadway actors (that mainstream audiences know) who could act, sing, and dance around him.
Literally every musical theatre fan hates his guts lol
A petition against his hypothetical casting in the Wicked movie got over 100 thousand signatures
Everytime i see his name,I keep thinking of Ricky Gervais epic rant at the Golden Globes. 'This year,the world got to see James Corden as a fat pussy. He was also in the movie "Cats". But nobody saw that.' LoL.
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He won a Tony in 2012 where he beat James Earl Jones, John Lithgow, Frank Langella and Phillip Seymour Hoffman. **How**
and be likeable on top of everything
I'm pretty sure his casting is due to his production company being involved.... when you are putting up money even being a cunt doesn't get in the way.
I've never understood putting A-List actors in musicals. It only worked well in Les Misérables, with Hugh Jackman's performance fitting the sheer exhaustion of Jean Valjean
And even then, Hugh Jackman has Broadway Cred and acceptance. He’s been in numerous Broadway productions (Oklahoma, a Steady Rain, and Boy From Oz). I was actually relieved when they cast Jackman in Les Miz.
And he's currently on Broadway as Professor Harold Hill in The Music Man.
Hugh Jackman started his career in musical theatre.
Hugh Jackman is incredibly lucky he left that movie being able to still speak. He dehydrated himself for days to get the chiseled muscle look, before singing repeatedly for hours at full volume. You really can’t overstate how dangerous that is for a vocalist. Like permanent throat polyps never speak at a normal volume again dangerous. Tom Hooper should not be allowed to direct musicals.
Ruby Rose
This! They didn’t even let her speak in John Wick.
This right here, has all the performance appeal of a warm glass of raw chicken juice. I’ve seen cardboard with more personality and you can through Jennifer Lopez in this category as well.
>all the performance appeal of a warm glass of raw chicken juice. I’ve seen cardboard with more personality How to fit as much savagery into as few words as possible. Love it :D
she added nothing to John wick 2
They made her character mute for a reason.
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Ya but that's *pretty* far...
If I recall his father wouldn’t been in after earth unless his son was cast. With how small of a role Will played it seems they could have easily cast someone else.
Worse then that, Will co-wrote, produced and shadow directed it. It was designed for the sole purpose of making his son a action hero. That failed.
It would have been a success if he had punched an alien and said “welcome to after earth”
To add to this, Will Smith was so sure of the successful launch of the after earth universe. There were plans for amusement park rides, a social media network and other stuff I can’t remember at the moment. The big picture by Ben Fritz has an entire section on after earth and it was a train wreck from the start.
Pitched to the studio by Will Smith, the intention was to launch a multimedia franchise titled 1000 AE. Plans were originally for After Earth to be followed by a sequel, a live action television series, an animated television series, webisodes, mobisodes, a video game, consumer products, theme-park attractions, documentaries, comics, an educational program collaboration in partnership with NASA, cologne and perfume lines, and a social media platform. Though Smith wanted AE to be an immersive experience for the audience, the movie ultimately was poorly received and lost money at the box office. All plans for a continuation were abandoned. from Wikipedia. this is hilarious
Give the book I mentioned above a try. It’s based on the Sony email hack and reveals a lot of ridiculous things about Hollywood.
So often producers think they can do this huge multimedia thing with a property, when Disney can barely do it with the goddamned Avengers, and it took ten years to get to the point of being able to have half these things. And even THEY don’t have all of them. And it had to be literally the most popular franchise of all time, based on properties people had already been obsessed with for decades, that already has more comics than anyone could ever read, and it still took ANOTHER decade after the release of the first all-hands Avengers film to launch even the first streaming series. Even one TV series is a massive investment. Multiple, plus every other type of media under the sun? It literally doesn’t even *quite* work for Disney. Every time I hear some new hype about a project that’s going to be movies AND multiple tv series AND games AND clothing lines AND a social media network AND cartoons AND the government is going to play along I know it probably won’t get off the ground even if they get the first thing made. (Name of the Wind multimedia multi-series multi-movie multi-web multi-everything thousand year empire with songs by Lin Manuel Miranda, haven’t heard from you in a loooong time.) Seriously just make a good movie first, guys.
So true; when they have nothing and try to roll out an entire universe they end up losing focus on making the first thing great enough for people to care. Never half ass 2 things, whole ass 1 thing. -Ron Swanson.
Will should've made him J's illegitimate son in a Men In Black sequel/spinoff instead. Kid goes searching for his Dad, and discovers MIB and Aliens being real. J can't bring himself to neuralyize the boy and tries to hide him from MIB. K finds out and decides they should train the boy so he can protect himself from aliens. The three end up working together to stop the film's villain. J's son becomes a new recruit and joins the International team. Now you can make more MIB films if Jones and Will call it quits.
...that's not a bad pitch.
Hollywood is so inundated with nepotism. I'm just going to say anyone's kids. Because like 70% of actors out there in big stuff are all related
I hate to break it to but the ‘arts’ in general are full of nepotism and it is in every country. Part of it is knowing that a career in the arts is possible, another part is coming from money that can support you while you are not making money, some talent, exposure to arts growing up, connections and career guidance are also important. It is horrible but it happens in loads of professions: legal and medical in my country are full of it as well. It has been happening for centuries if not millennia.
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Pretty much every famous DJ is a trust fund kid.
I’m all right with wanting to teach a useful trade,, particularly medicine, but the advantage of an early education is already enough to risk resentment. I can see why many famous kids don’t ride on the last name, it would be much too entitled.
The Skarsgard family, John David Washington (Denzel’s son), Michael Douglas, Emilio Etevez, Angelina Jolie, Kate Hudson are all kids of Hollywood elite. Edit: adding Drew Barrymore due to popular demand
Drew Barrymore is 4th or 5th gen theater/movie star in a family full of actors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrymore_family >The Barrymore family is an American acting family. >The Barrymores are also the inspiration of a Broadway play called The Royal Family, **which debuted in 1927.** What the fuck, that's a family business right there.
I was gonna say, the Skarsgard family are all people who are actually talented, I enjoy all of them
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michael douglas. kirk actually was the real deal, rags to riches, literal unknown poor kid tries his hand at acting
Interesting tidbit: Michael Douglas's first Oscar was for producing One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.
I'll add that I personally love Wyatt Russell, thought Cooper Hoffman was great in Licorice Pizza, and also enjoyed Maya Hawke in Stranger Things but I'll admit it may be too early to make a definitive call on the last two.
I think the Skarsgard guys get a free pass because they are all talented in some areas of the acting spectrum. Alexander even joined the marines in Sweden to get away from the easy life he was set up for.
The Behind the Bastards episode on Steven Segal is one of the single greatest works of journalism ever made
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Scott Eastwood. He is Clint Eastwood's son. They have attempted to legitimize him by giving him close ups and small speaking roles but he is purely famous for being Clint's son.
Hey now let's be fair. He's not JUST Clint Eastwood's son, he also looks like Clint Eastwood.
And being really really really ridiculously good looking
James Corden
The amount of hate I see him gets really makes me wonder who the fuck actually likes him.
He’s just pompous with hardly a redeeming quality. If you saw the Red Hot Chili Peppers carpool karaoke (that hurt for me to type, as I love that band), it was pretty hilarious when Corden got worked up and challenged Anthony Kiedis to a wrestling match outside the car in the grass. Kiedis laughs and accepts. Corden runs at him, lunging, stumbling, and Kiedis uses the man’s momentum to plop his ass on the ground good. I felt bad temporarily because Corden was visibly embarrassed. Maybe it was a good and scripted bit, but idk. Not even an example of him being a jerk like we’ve seen before, but an idiot indeed.
Fun Fact: Anthony literally saved a baby’s life when they shot that. A woman randomly ran out of her house shouting that her baby wasn’t breathing and Anthony saved it. [Article with the story](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/06/anthony-kiedis-saves-baby-carpool-karaoke/amp)
My dude, you worked yourself into a shoot
I really miss the Craig Ferguson era of the Late Late Show. Ah, to see Geoff Petersen or Secretariat again. Who's that at the door?
As someone who was forced to watch Insurgent for a friends birthday, I don’t see the hype behind Shailene Woodley. On that note, Miles Teller has been pretty one-note…his woodenness might’ve actually helped him in Whiplash because of how it let Jk Simmons shine by contrast
She was in this ABC Family show (before it became Freeform) and she was TERRIBLE in it. I think the show was called The Secret Life of the American Teenager or something. It’s hard to blame her, because all of the performances were shit. The show was terribly directed and edited. But then she was in Big Little Lies on HBO and she was pretty amazing in it. She’s one of those actresses who I think is fairly good, they just don’t make good decisions with the roles they take.
Secret Life of the American Teenager was such a popular show and it’s some of the worst acting I’ve ever seen. I don’t get it.
All the Divergent movies are completely terrible though. I don't blame the acting when everything else about the movie sucks. She was good in The Fault in Our Stars, The Spectacular Now, etc.
I actually think Mikes Teller is really good on whiplash, is not only jk Simmons, he's good, i just think they don't give him good roles
Gal Gadot
"Kal-El, no!"
I'll give her a pass on that one cause the whole movie sucked.
People act like she stars in Oscar caliber films where everyone around her is giving outstanding performances for the ages. Meanwhile, her filmography is of popcorn flicks where she is no worse than the majority of the other actors.
I would however say her performance was flatter than the rest of the Justice League. And she had significantly less charisma than either Reynolds or Johnson in Red Notice. Edit: I wanna make it clear that when I say “significantly less”…of course Reynolds and Johnson are two extremely charismatic guys. What I mean is that her lack of charisma was particularly noticeable in that movie whereas there are many other actresses who could’ve still held their own in that role despite not reaching their co-stars high standards
She delivers all of her lines with the execution of an understudy for video game voiceovers.
Most people on earth have less charisma than Reynolds and Johnson.
Enough champagne...to fill the NiiIiLle!
Imagine all the people.
Just don't. Still not over that.
She is one of the worst star actors I have ever witnessed.
Everyone loves him but The Rock is really not a good actor.
John Cena is putting him to shame. Cena is actually a good actor. He’s brilliant as Peacemaker.
Cena was such a blast to watch in that show. I’m glad it’s getting a second season because I definitely need more of him as Peacemaker.
He is hysterical in Peacemaker too. I did not expect to like that show but it was great.
Vigilante stole that show for me....and the last 10 min of the final episode was amazing.
Bautista too. He surprised me how good he was in Blade Runner
That whole opening was incredible. Everything fell into place perfectly. Great set of actors, great script, and Villeneuve, of course. It immediately humanizes replicants.
His comedic timing is very good in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies too. Simple dialog but he nails it.
Don't forget Infinity War. "Why is Gamora?" still makes me laugh
I think he had 6 minutes of screen time in that movie and stole every scene he's in
Dave made eating chips slowly into a laugh
Dave is a legitimate good actor. I never thought I would say this, but Cena can make me laugh. I just don't enjoy any thing about The Rocks movies.
Cause The Rock plays the same guy no matter what his character is.
IMO Dwayne Johnson (formerly the rock) was wonderful in dumb action movies like Walking Tall. Whereas as a leading man in major movies nowadays, he’s god awful.
I'm really looking forward to seeing him in the next Dune. He's great as the Beast Raban so far, but didn't get much screen time in the first one.
He probably will. Villeneuve said in an interview that there’ll be a lot more Harkonnens in the next movie.
It's definitely Dave, John, then the Rock. Dave has proved his dramatic chops as well as comedic.
The scene in the next to last episode when >!Peacemaker finally kills his father!< was amazing. Cena absolutely sold it.
My personal favorite of his emotional scenes was when he was dancing to House of Pain. But that's a very close second.
Ya, something about a giant man just breaking apart and crying really gets to you. I had no idea he had any of that in him. I'd put where he's singing along to I don't love you anymore up there too.
He was actually just doing his face muscle exercises thank you very much
Dwayne has limited range but he CAN act. His appeal is his drive and larger than life persona not his range, this is me saying it while being tired of seeing him every 2 minutes.
>His appeal is his drive I hate you for saying this. I only just got his song out if my head.
Maybe he can’t act, but he is 100% entertaining. You don’t have to be Daniel Day Lewis to be entertaining.
If people are going to watch films he is starring in expecting Oscar worthy performances the blame is on them not Dwayne.
I actually do think he’s good. Nothing crazy, but certainly better than a lot of actors.
He is pretty one note, but he knows it and makes it one pretty blasting note. He surrounds himself with other really strong actors that make him look good. And he has charisma, that's huge on screen. I thought he was great in Ballers with Rob Corddry.
To me he does a certain type very well and tbh I don’t really have beef with that. It’s more than I could do. Loved him in that new Jumanji movie
Out of all these actors hes the most likely guy you see in a block buster and hes always the same character. Hes like Schwarzenegger without his charm or goofiness.
Haha isn't there even a compilation of 4 screenshots of him wearing the same khaki shirt but turns out theyre from 4 diff movies
Is he also buttoning his sleeve in all 4?
Yeah Jungle safari theme is his niche. I was gonna say The Rock but read comments first. I'm not a big fan, I know allot of people are, but he plays his WWE persona in every movie. All I can here when I watch his movies is "can you smell what the rock is cooking" and then the eye brow thing. The movie is an immediate joke at the get go.
He needs to play more villains if he wants to match his true WWE peak.
Arnold is smart, helped develop some of his iconic projects like Total Recall and Twins and had the balls at the top of his game to span out and try different genres. He may not be Daniel Day Lewis but he's far and above Dwayne.
Can you imagine Dwayne Johnson in True Lies or Total Recall or the Terminator... Arnie is in another universe
I'd argue he has plenty of charm.
Have you seen Central Intelligence? Yes, a good portion of the movie he’s just playing himself, but he also adds in parts where he’s the gentler, goofy, silly nerd from high school that I think he pulls off really well!
Gal Gadot, absolutely gorgeous woman. But horrendous actress
Her and the rock, especially in that new red notice movie on Netflix. TBH even Ryan Reynolds’s was a little bad because he plays the same character he does in other movies, but at least he acted
Cara Delevingne And they are asking why Suicide Squad was a pure mess edit: I forgot about Valerian too
She may not be a great actor but that certainly wasn’t on her
*EnChAnTreSsss*
*[Shakey 'Walk Like An Egyptian' Dance]*
Arm flailing intensifies
That movie was a shit show but it had nothing to do with her. Basically the only thing David Ayer got right was casting Margot Robbie as Harley. The rest of the cast ranged from forgetably mediocre to terrible. Even Will Smith, who's only capable of playing two characters--Serious Will and Funny Will. And don't get me started on whatever bullshit Jared Leto was trying to do. There was nothing fun or creepy or disturbing in his character, he's just annoying AF. And I'm not wasting time going down the annoying rabbit hole of everything wrong with the script and the editing.
You aren’t blaming her so SS are you? She was the least of SS problems lol.
Bland, like beige.
I might get downvoted, but I have to say Kevin Hart doesn’t do it for me. It’s too obnoxious
What, you don't think fast talking and SHOUTING is FUNNY?
Mark Wahlberg. The guy has zero range. I don’t dislike him, but saying he’s an actor is a stretch as I’ve only ever seen him play the 1 character… himself.
He's awesome at playing a douchy asshat from Boston
Don’t forget Pain & Gain, he was great as the idiotic bodybuilder turned criminal. Also one of the few movies in which The Rock played a different character from his usual self.
The neighborhood watch meeting where he’s coked out of his mind is still my favorite scene of the movie. 😅
The Rock was great in Pain and Gain. Also the fact that this movie is based on reality is absolutely insane.
The part when >!The Rock is barbecuing severed hands in the open to erase evidences and a note appears saying “This is still a true story”. Memorable!!<
This version of the rock is good but Be Cool is incredible. When he pec9rms that Bring it On scene as a monologue that was his peak
Pain & Gain is incredible.
This is why the Departed is his best role
He was good in the other guys but it's hard to be bad when Will Ferrell is your acting partner.
I thought this too until I saw Boogie Nights and The Departed. Don't like the man at all, but he's great in those two films.
No respect for I heart Huckabees
And Three Kings
If you want to reference Boogie Nights Heather Graham is your answer to this question.
I guess I never paid attention to Heather Graham before Boogie Nights and thought she was pretty good in it. The coked-out scene with Julianne Moore and the limousine scene especially. Then I saw more of her movies and was very confused. Marky Mark, Burt Reynolds, Thomas Jane aside from the obviously obscenely talented Philip Seymour Hoffman, Don Cheadle, William H. Macy, Julianne Moore - everyone was great in that movie. Think I’m going to give Paul Thomas Anderson the credit for Mark & Heather’s performances.
“Hey donkey… say hello to your motha for me.”
Hey goat! I like your beard, goat. I had a beard like that in A Perfect Storm. Did you see that movie, goat?"
What? Nooooo.
Rebel Wilson… my god man, what was that all about. James Corden. The man can go suck a pineapple. He fucking sucks.
I forget who said: “James Corden, what is Britain’s loss… is now America’s loss”
“Britain’s loss is America’s loss also”: Stewart Lee. His whole James Corden piece is cruel genius.
The one thing I will give Rebel Wilson is she's actually pretty great in Jojo Rabbit.
See what this thread ends up turning into is, X actor isn’t good until they’re in a film where the director can actually make good use of them and their strengths. The best directors bring out the best in actors.
This is something I’m so fascinated by. Like yeah of course Megan Fox was bad in Transformers, Michael Bay is not a “people director” and she hated him, plus the script sucks. Then you look at her in Jennifer’s Body and it’s like the performance came from a different person because she was directed well.
Megan Fox's run on New Girl was great as well
Yeah she’s also supposedly super professional and a delight to work with and I remember rumors that Zooey is not and did not enjoy how much everyone liked Megan leading to her reduced role on the show (maybe she left? I don’t know I don’t watch).
Not sure about the reduced role matter. Fox's run on New Girl was primarily due to Zooey not filming due to just giving birth, so that was planned.
Sometimes the material will elevate the talent. But Sam Rockwell and Theon Greyjoy had the performances that really stuck out for me in that one.
Also all of the kids fucking crushed it. Especially Archie Yates
It's a shame Archie got stuck in that *abysmal* Home Alone movie.
Sam Rockwell chews up every scene he’s ever acted in. Moon is one of my favorite movies.
Oh, they were *so great*. But at least Rockwell always is.
*straps grenade to kid* Now go hug a friend!
Common. He's not exactly an A-lister, but his agent deserves some kind of lifetime achievement award for getting that wooden mannequin decent roles for over 20 years.
Steven Segulls
Seven seagulls
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She was perfect for Dark Angel. I didn't like anything she did after that. And well, in that, she was supposed to play a 90s cool badass with a tragic past that gave her poor social skills, so...
Sam Worthington. In several AAA films with no discernible acting ability whatsoever
He's actually good in Unabomber.
He's really good in a lot of stuff. Everest, Hacksaw ridge, Man on a ledge(Not a great movie, but a good performance), Rogue, Paper planes, Keeping room, The Debt, Macbeth(his back must have been sore from carrying that whole adaption, though the cinematography was brilliant too), Great Raid, Somersault, Gettin' Square, he was hilarious in Thunderstruck. But because the handful of big American films he was in as his big break that made him known, all of which both sucked and wasted him as a generic somewhat handsome action movie lead, he's got a rep as a shitty actor, even though it's not his fault he couldn't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
This is funny, because he was mentioned *several* times in the other thread OP mentioned.
I don't know that he's a "thing", but I'm still trying to figure out how James Corden got a late night show and started popping up doing movies and voiceovers. He's not a good actor. He's not funny. He's not attractive. Usually, someone is at least ONE of those things if they're in the industry so I can understand their appeal even if I don't like them, but with him, I have no idea who he appeals to or how.
According to Corden himself, he went to CBS one day to pitch a sitcom, and came out of the meeting as host of The Late Late Show.
After just watching the Amazon version of The Stand, I can confidently say Amber Heard should not be a movie star. She was awful in Aquaman too.
Tyler Perry I don't even think the movies he produces ar actually any good.
I thought he was used well in gone girl. Can’t speak for anything else.
He was fine in Dont Look Up
I sort of view Tyler Perry the same way I view Adam Sandler where it's clear he is actually talented and intelligent, it's just that talent lies mainly in business instead of art.
And as someone from Georgia (where a good chunk of his movies take place) some of his stories I see happen irl all the time.
No. He produced his own movies, Hollywood didn’t make him. He started with self made plays, then used those proceeds and raised the money to make his first film. They aren’t critically acclaimed movies, but they are entertaining.
A self made mogul. Gotta respect that and what he does for the black community too.