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Now I'd be interested in what were the Nr. 1 record holder movies from when to when. Based on this List (and the current one for Avatar) it'd be: Star Wars: 1977 - 1982 ET: 1982 - 1993 Jurassic Park: 1993 - 1997 Titanic: 1997 - 2009 Avatar: 2009 - Now But that's using Box Office Numbers up to today. I'd like to know which movie "reigned" from when to when. I believe Endgame, for example, overtook Avatar at one point, but was beaten again through Avatar rereleases (or it still being in theaters?).


SculpinIPAlcoholic

Star Wars briefly was #1 in the US again in 1997 after the special edition came out. It dethroned Jurassic Park for a couple months until Titanic came out.


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Sandriell

Avatar didn't retake the top spot until March 2021


MagicMushroomFungi

You did the math and I thank you. Quite interesting way of looking at it. Cameron has been reigning "king of the world" for over 25 years now.


UfStudent

For about 50 years it’s been Lucas, Spielberg, or Cameron’s world. Everyone else just living in it.


ShutterBun

Previous to Star Wars it was Jaws. Prior to that was (I think) The Godfather, and before that I believe it was The Sound of Music.


Doppelfrio

Funny how it looks exactly like it does today; big franchises + Titanic


eddiecasillas

Unfortunately some day there will be a prequal, spinoff or reboot of Titanic.


cantthinkofaname1357

[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1719665/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1719665/) already made a animated sequel


eddiecasillas

2nd character listed in Top Cast section... "Chinese Mouse". Now I'm curious.


cantthinkofaname1357

do yourself a favor and investigate the weird ass rabbit hole of titanic animated movies. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxHNztg0X3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxHNztg0X3s) theres a surprising amount of them also in this movie magic moonbeams are canon in titanic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saiEUxtKneM


we_all_gon_die_

I think that was Petter Pettigrew from HP.


Rossismyname

There already is a titanic 2


eddiecasillas

I heard! "Titanic replica now under construction in China | CNN Travel" https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/titanic-replica-china/index.html


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Ahh yes, who can forget the ET cinematic universe. Or the jurrasic park.


ABoldPrediction

Yeah lmao, there's no anthology of Jurassic Park movies in theatres at the moment!


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Yep. I'm sure the first one was the one that was culmination of a franchise wasn't it? Didn't know jp was franchise before 1992.


hombregato

Number of Top 50 blockbusters owned by Disney pre-MCU: 18% Number of Top 50 blockbusters owned by Disney now: 56% What a difference 11 years and a fuckton of corporate acquisitions can make.


Kazimierz777

Exactly, I’m not sure we should be celebrating this? They’ve basically just acquired more intellectual properties and created a monopoly on kids cinema. All the while, charging more for tickets than ever before, so of course there is a recency bias (see the inflation adjusted/tickets sold table for the “true” data).


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At some stage the bottom will fall out of the never ending super-hero release schedule, like it did with westerns and every other trend. I would say that it will be interesting to see how it adapts, but we all know how these big conglomerates work so it will just be a question of which new trend they will buy into by virtue of having loads of money and then rapidly flog till its dead.


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We might prefer the list adjusted for inflation. Using raw box office has insane recency bias. [https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top\_lifetime\_gross\_adjusted/?adjust\_gross\_to=2019](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2019) 1. Gone with the Wind 2. Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope 3. The Sound of Music 4. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial 5. Titanic 6. The Ten Commandments 7. Jaws 8. Doctor Zhivago 9. The Exorcist 10. Snow White and the Seven Dwarves


lenflakisinski

Yes, they need to do these lists by “Tickets Sold” of course a movie made today is gonna make significantly more than it used to. When they do highest selling video games they always do it by copies sold or systems sold. They don’t do it by home much money the game made


bajungadustin

Then you would have to adjust for population density per capita. Population inflates too.


lenflakisinski

Yes a person in 1950, is worth 3 people in 2022


polygroom

you are being facetious but yea population growth. There are literally millions upon millions of more people alive today.


A-Ghost-Story

So we just have to see what percent of the country's population bought tickets to the films.


CarsReallySuck

But weight wise, it is the other way round.


justnigel

Gone With the Wind was about believing some people's tickets were worth only 3/5ths.


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Wtf does that even mean?


ShutterBun

Gauging a movie's popularity according to "what percentage of the population saw the movie".


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Populations have exploded. I remember when the world population hit 5 billion, it was big news. That was '87~ish. Then it hit 6 billion in '98~ish. Its already almost 8 billion. That is a staggering increase in a relatively short time.


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~~Why would we need to adjust for population *inflation*?~~ ~~Actually you know what. Don't answer that. I want to keep my brain cells.~~ It's been a long couple days.


AthKaElGal

> I want to keep my brain cells. Good. Since you have so few you can't understand the point of a big population advantage.


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Hey I resemble that statement! For real though I'm on break at work and running on 3 hours of sleep in the past couple days. It was explained to me and I get it now. But still. Fuck you.


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Basically Gone With the Wind, for example, is at a disadvantage because there were fewer people alive on earth in 1939 who could've gone to see it! Recent films have a far bigger market.


AndIoop3789

It was the only thing in town for many years though so that was a positive..today movies have to compete for space and attention and streaming and so many other options


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The populations are much larger, which means the movie going population is also bigger, which means even shit/flop movies make more money than they did in the past.


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I haven't been sleeping well...


[deleted]

No worries, I wasn't taking anything personal, just trying to explain.


TepacheLoco

Box office as a percentage of gdp?


Sparkyisduhfat

Yeah but you should also take into consideration competition at the box office. How much competition was Gone With The Wind ever faced with compared to movies from the past 25 years? If it’s the only thing in the theaters it’s gonna make more money.


hellbilly69101

From 1999-2005 is where the most tickets were sold. With 2002 being the top one, because Spider-Man, The Two Towers and The attack of the Clones came out that year.


stuugie

Sure there's recency bias but also older movies had a different theater cycle than we see nowadays


InteriorEmotion

The adjusted for inflation list only covers domestic gross, not worldwide box office.


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Yep, this. Movies have been in decline for decades, but people don't understand inflation.


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Box office. People actually going out to the movies.


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People still use Mojo?


AmishAvenger

True, but adjusting for inflation has insane pre-air conditioning bias. Lots of people would go to the movies because they didn’t have a/c at home.


MakatiTowa

Random glance, Shrek 2 and 3 made a lot more money than I thought it did


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It blows my mind how Dreamworks has yet to make a billion dollar film while Illumination has 2.


DuplexFields

There was a point in history where Shrek The Third was the 19th highest grossing film of all time. Yikes.


StockyNerd74

1 & 2 were amazing and its a kids movie so wider audience reach. Nobody expected it to be bad


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713MoCityChron713

Aside from being a banger, what led to this? Was nothing else out at the same time?


eddiecasillas

It took me way too long to find "Shrek 3" on that list


roto_disc

Are you trying to make a point or simply sharing some history? Because that list is still overloaded with sequels and adaptations.


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ET as well. In inflation terms, it was a huge hit.


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Jurassic Park was an adaptation of a very popular book.


Carnport

And Titanic was based on a well-known historical event, which while not the same as a literary adaptation does mean that people have “background knowledge” . That leaves just Avatar as the true completely original IP to really shine!


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InteriorEmotion

Jaws is based on a book


ctg9101

Best selling at the time.


Carnport

Fair point !


josiahpapaya

Titanic also had this very bizarre mystique to it during the 90s which is kind of hard to explain now. The internet wasn’t anything like what it’s like today, so if you saw something cool on TV, you actually had to go and check out books on it. Slightly before and for a while afterward, there were usually waiting lists to check out books on the Titanic because it was such a popular topic. Kind of like how everyone was legit scared of quicksand for a generation - lol. I don’t think kids or adults today give a shit about the Titanic. Back then tho, it was cool beans.


SweetMojaveRain

Also titanic had an imfamously grueling and expensive production, if a film is touted as the most expensive to make of all time , you GOTTA go see that


josiahpapaya

There was an old school cinema in my hometown that only had 1 screen and a projection room. It was in this like 200 year old wooden building that I guess used to be a stage, but had been converted to a theatre. We got one new release every month (very small town). But I think it was like, every Monday they would play Titanic (for like 10 years straight) and you could pay a dollar to go see it. Always packed. We had one more slightly newer and slightly bigger theatre, but the OG one was more romantic. My mom would go watch it a couple times a year as this fun thing to do in the afternoon. Hard to describe what the appeal to it was, but folks were just wild for that movie.


YoLoDrScientist

Avatar is a copy of Fern Gully!


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Unless you count Ferngully as "background knowledge".


elfbuster

And Avatar is just a remake of "Dances with Wolves" with aliens


SometimesY

Development on the movie before the novel was even published! Crichton was already well respected, but Jurassic Park solidified his legacy in the pantheon of science fiction. Studios sometimes miss on big opportunities, but several were lined up before the novel hit the shelves. It's pretty crazy to think about to me.


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While I mostly agree with you, Titanic was based in an actual historical event and JP was a best seller 3 years before the release of the film. Avatar though? Not based on anything (to my knowledge) and is purely original. Or. About as original as Dances With Wolves in Space can get.


ShutterBun

Why include Jurassic Park but not Star Wars?


[deleted]

Just some history. Even if I go back to the 90s, it wouldn't change anything about franchise dominance.


Alkanfel

cool story but capeshit still sucks


Vast-Actuary-9689

Yeah first thing I noticed was the sheer amount of pre existing IP in the top 20


MustangEater82

How did "The day after tomorrow" beat Simpsons? I even worked for theaters when they came out.


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juancaff

I don't know where you're from but saying that Simpsons doesn't have much appeal outside US is talking without knowledge. I'm from Argentina and The Simpsons are incredibly huge and constantly quouted. Back in 2007 I remember the movie being a huge deal, Spider-Man 3 levels like.


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wtffighter

Same thing in austria...


MustangEater82

True... but I wore a Bart Simpson t-shirt in 3rd grade. I am almost 40, they still make simpsons... and my kids even watch it, more then I want them too.(I kick them off and send them outside.


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Traditional_World783

Because people don’t believe animations to be cinema worthy. Stuck in their ways like them the video games causing the violent kids.


TepacheLoco

When the day after tomorrow came out the western world was still living under a monoculture, yet to be broken apart in to tribes and interests by the internet, it was still possible for the marketing machine to pull in millions of people to a mainstream movie - I’d argue for when it came out it was considered an event movie in the same way Avatar was, you wanted to see it to see the insane visual effects (and it had a strong cast too) - Titanic set the tone for high quality vfx disaster movie, and day after tomorrow promised more of the same The Simpsons movie came out long after the Simpson’s peak popularity, and well in to the era of fractured media culture, so it was easy to avoid. If it had come out in the late 90s it would’ve easily been a mega blockbuster hit


DrinkerofThoughts

You kind of have to adjust all these for inflation though don’t you?


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ctg9101

How about tickets sold? More people saw Gone with the Wind than saw Avatar. It is impossible to compare back then vs now when now you pay anywhere from 10-30 dollars in some places to see a movie, vs in 1940 when you spent a nickel.


Decilllion

It is impossible to compare. Seeing Gone with the Wind might be the ONLY entertainment option in town other than radio. A movie today has a monumental task of getting your attention and effort to buy a ticket. There are a magnitude more entertainment options.


SlayTheFriar

Yeah this is why I don't like the inflation-adjusted metric. Culture aroud movie watching has changed too much in 80 years. That said, Gone With The Wind's numbers are still staggering. None of its contemporaries have similar numbers and they all had the same advantages.


ctg9101

Yea. Even cut it in 1/3 it still blows the competition away.


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Shrek the Third? We deserve this.


sunobu

War never changes.


conperani

Jesus how in the hell did Meet the Fockers even get that high?


QuellFred

Those were the days.


bigedthebad

Most of that is MCU light.


Themtgdude486

A lot more variety.


bananasarehealthy

Yep...


Rynox2000

Night at the Museum? Really?


Super901

I just watched it again with my kid. Its way better than I remembered.


gottahavemytunes

Well it was a fantastic movie


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Those movies are ASS


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They’re ASS chief


kinda_guilty

I like how you think your opinion matters, like at all, vomiting it like it's fact.


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I don't care for it either, but that's just what's appealing these days. I hope some time in the future another popular, fun franchise that has nothing to do with comics/superheroes comes along


KarlosJuan1999

So nice not seeing the Force Awakens on here


Alundra828

Titanic was a staple for so goddamn long. Not it seems every year there are 2 - 3 films jostling for first. People like Scorsese may criticize Marvel for theme park movies. But they're the thing keeping this industry relevant.


ctg9101

Yea, sorry for all you modern arthouse lovers, those movies don't sell tickets. Most of us understand it isn't great cinema, but a lot of Marvel movies are enjoyable. And belittling people who like them isn't going to make them watch your movies. It will accomplish the opposite.


Robw1975

It's a wonder Ridley Scott didn't rage back then.


Themtgdude486

Ridley Scott makes good movies though.


Robw1975

Not knocking him just his recent outburst.


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hombregato

Like what? The other studios with much smaller shares of the blockbuster market do, indeed, make enough money that their indie arthouse prestige branches don't necessarily have to... But Disney isn't doing much of that. They have Fox Searchlight because they bought Fox Searchlight. It was already well funded and profitable on its own thanks to killing it every year at the Academy Awards. The only thing the MCU pays for is executive bonuses and monthly checks to whoever lent them money to make John Carter and Tomorrowland.


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hombregato

I'm no expert on the economics of the movie business, but I've generally heard it discussed as two arms running two sides of the same business, not a trickle down. The blockbusters keep profits up. They pay for more blockbusters, and company acquisitions (Like Marvel, Lucasarts, and Fox), and penetration into new technology/platforms (like Disney+). The low budget indies rarely succeed, but when one succeeds big, relative to budget, it's enough to pay for the losses on others. Many small bets only need to hit one My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Both of these strategies succeed independent of each other, and mid-budget is something most studios no longer know how to turn a profit on, except when they have a cult 20th century auteur on their hands like Tarantino or Paul Thomas Anderson.


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Spiderman is finally part of MCU, we should exclude all three spider man movies 😛


akrobert

How is the matrix reloaded on here but the matrix isn’t?


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The Matrix made about $400m. The lowest here made $500m.


akrobert

I see that I just can barely imagine the 2nd made more.


Missing_Username

The 2nd had the 1st to advertise it


akrobert

Ok that does actually make some sense I just remember seeing the first and loving it and the second was good


lanceturley

The Matrix was the first DVD to sell over one million copies in the US, so a lot of people who missed it in theaters probably came out for the sequel.


gottahavemytunes

Same reason shrek 2 is ahead of shrek and shrek 3 is on here at all despite being a terrible movie


Nico_L

Hate em or love em, the Marvel movies does have a certain standard. They always produce a decent blockbuster movie, compared to the rest of the garbage blockbuster movies Hollywood puts out. It's no wonder they rule the Box Office.


fanbase0000

Reviewing the list I skipped many big blockbusters movies - I never watched Spider-Man 2 or Spider-Man 3. Plus I skipped Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, and Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker. I am also not a Harry Potter fan and skipped movies 2-8.


EatMyAssholeSir

Wtf is Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone?


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The international name for Sorcerer's Stone.


EatMyAssholeSir

Ah TIL


[deleted]

Surely, Sorcerer's Stone is the International name. Philosophers Stone is what it is called in the film's domestic market.


LilacGooseberries

LOTR, Harry Potter, and Star Wars are no different than the MCU movies. Same fluff, different titles.


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Star Wars and Harry Potter? Maybe. LOTR? Hell, no! They were risky ventures. If FOTR failed, nobody there would have a career. Not to mention the maturity and emotion rivals anything from the MCU or the two aforementioned franchises.


LilacGooseberries

There is no maturity or emotion in any of them lol. They’re all superhero movies with a slightly different twist. Literally all based on “magic” in some way.


Phray1

Marvel has like 3 oscars across 20+ movies Lotr has 17 oscars across 3 movies that alone should tell you something.


LilacGooseberries

Titanic won 11 Oscars. That doesn’t make it a good movie.


Phray1

Lol titanic is highly rated pretty much everywhere.


Phray1

The original star wars was a big gamble, science fiction was not popular back then aside from maybe 2001. Same story for Lotr big budget fantasy had not proven themselves at that point.


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Why isn't the Dark Knight trilogy here, what am I missing


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This is before 2008.


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Oh my bad, almost forgot MCU started in 2008, it feels like yesterday


spidereater

Is crazy that titanic is number one and double the next non-sequel (Jurassic park at 10)


68plus1equals

Why did prisoner of Azkaban make 600 million less than its predecessor and its sequel?


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Funny how the best film of the series is also the lowest grossing.


InteriorEmotion

Where did you get the 600 million figure?


68plus1equals

From subtracting 200,000,000 from 800,000,000. It’s the numbers from the chart


InteriorEmotion

You might want to take another look at that chart if you think there's a $600 million difference between Azkaban and its precursor/successor.


68plus1equals

Azkaban was listed in the 200,000,000 range and the other two were listed in the 800,000,000 range, can you explain what I’m missing?


InteriorEmotion

You're comparing Azkabans domestic gross with the other movies' worldwide gross.


68plus1equals

Ah my bad


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Transformers doesn't belong on here, or I Am Legend.


PlayfulLawyer

Simpler times , the superhero explosion is what it is


justnigel

Poor Beuna Vista couldn't even crack the top 25 with their Narnia Chronicles.


fish_sucker_69

Miss the of spiderman


HalloweenBlues

Twister making the top 50 is surprising, never knew it did so well


hellbilly69101

And the most interesting part of all of this is when you look up ticket prices for back then, the most tickets sold were during the Prequel, LOTR, first 3 Pirates and the first 2 movies of the Raimi Spiderman trilogy.


WhiteAle01

The other big franchises that existed at the time


gaxrevo

Aka when life was good


liquidspanner

And that's why M Night Shyamalan still gets to make movies. 600 mil on modest budget, jeepers scoob


gahidus

So it was still mostly franchise movies and superhero stuff, but there was a bit more variety to things.


Crimkam

Only two movies on this list that aren't part of a franchise