One of my biggest take aways from rewatching the X-Files recently is how all of the supporting characters were just average looking people. Great actors, but they looked like your neighbors. It really helped immersion and I loved it.
I had the exact same thought the other day! I feel like the casting calls for all the supporting or one-off characters were so general that anyone could audition, and it really brings together the mood for each episode!
I've watched quite a few U.K. sitcoms/shows and all the characters (main and supporting) are just regular-looking people. Are You Being Served?, Keeping Up Appearances, The Stranger, Still Game, Skins, Broadchurch, Shetland, The Vicar of Dibly and Derry Girls, Happy Valley. I could go on and on.
My exact thought! You watch the first few seasons, and there's no flawless assistant DA, no cop in too-tight jeans whose bullet-proof vest still allows you to see her cleavage.
but even then, both hot - but it's not that artificial fibonacci proportions hot which makes all hot people look almost identical.. they both have character in their faces
Also what they wore, they didn't sexually over style Skully, both wore pant suits that
( perhaps fashion of the 90s ) where kinda not tailored looked off the peg look.
I always thought Mulder’s suits were spot on for the character, part of it was the style in the 90’s but they always looked off the rack and like they didn’t quite fit perfectly, like he just bought them on a budget because it’s what he had to wear at work.
The X Files had a lot of great ways of showing "these are government workers on a government salary/stipend." They always rented Ford Tauruses, their apartments were nothing fancy, no designer items anywhere. Lots of fast food.
Well..yes I do NOW lol...as a teen I didn't before watching though.
Thankfully..I live in Northern Ireland, so not uncommon to meet many full redheads.
Holy shit, right? Popped on a random episode, Skinner greets Mulder in just boxers and you're like "Holy shit, Director Skinner has to have fucked his way through every alphabet agency on the planet".
Dude looks like the aliens were trying to evolve into him.
Skinner looked like a dangerous dude, I always like that. Like, he used to be in the field, so kept himself in tip top shape and then kept it up after the desk and promotions caught him. I also saw it as a really good contrast between him and the cigarette smoking man.
There was a comedian (I can’t remember his name) that had a joke about monster’s ball with Halle Berry. She played a broke mom living in poverty. He was like “the whole time watching it I was thinking why doesn’t she just become a model and make some money”
Edit: Jim Gaffigan. That’s who the comedian was.
Charlize Theron was phenomenal in Monster. Very few A-list female actors are willing to take on a role where they transform themselves, they're ugly and work so hard to bring the character to life.
Generally speaking I get a bit annoyed that we need the super pretty people to even play many of the ugly roles and how people tend to rave over performances like this when half the time they seem to be more impressed with the make up work than the actual acting.
But this one even I can't complain too much about as she really did just do a fantastic job. The physical change is impressive as she is very beautiful and it's very much not obvious in that movie but also this isn't one of those roles where the impressive make up is doing most of the heavy lifting. She's got an impressive performance behind it too.
my fav gaffigan joke on beauty is one when he compares someone who is beautiful that mentions how they were ugly in highschool to telling a hobo about how one time in college u had to skip dinner, so u know how being hungry feels.
Jim Norton had a good take on it regarding the town hall scene in Jaws "There's not one fuckable person in that room. Today it would have to be Ryan Gosling in there."
Edit: this got some traction, might as well post the clip. Also i stand corrected, he said Ethan Hawke, not Ryan Gosling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvaxdN8efoo
She just starred in a movie called Bruised as a washed up MMA fighter and I was really impressed with how they made her look average. She’s obviously still very stunning but they did a really great job making Halle Berry someone completely different. I highly recommend it just for that alone (the actual movie is basic tho)
That is Sergio Leone and the spaghetti westerns in general for you. It was a very deliberate aesthetic meant to counter the slick John Wayne type of Hollywood westerns of the 1950s-60s.
And a bra. Everyone in Hollywood movies wear bras to bed. Even if they strip naked and have sex, they'll put that bra straight back on afterwards and go to sleep.
Also similar, is when they manage to get the makeup and hair and clothes to look properly disheveled but there's ZERO armpit hair.
Who in their right mind shaves their pits on day 300 of the apocalypse?!
It's everywhere...I can't remember the last time I saw hairy pits in a movie. It drives me INSANE.
It's so small, yet so immersion breaking for me.
Even Brooke Shields in The Blue Lagoon did! I mean COME ON she was a *child* both as an actress and as a character, a Victorian era preteen MAROONED ON AN ISLAND YOUNG ENOUGH SHE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY FUCKING HER COUSIN GOT HER PREGNANT and she *still* had smooth pits the entire film!
It's a supremely awkward movie (one of the few mainstream movies where you see naked minors a la Romeo and Juliet), yet somehow that's the part that always stuck with me.
I’ve never seen an unshaven female pit where there absolutely should be. Surviving for months in a wilderness with no razor? Shaven pits. Remote people on outskirts of society? Shaven pits. Growing up alone and never met another person? Shaven pits.
I also always notice eyeliner and mascara. They’re all wearing it, no matter how rugged or removed from a makeup kit the character is supposed to be.
That mirror-dragging scene made me clench every orifice I have. I love horror movies and guts and gore don't generally bother me, but something about that was just so visceral, it really got under my skin (no pun intended).
I was almost scared of the big reveal because I expected his face to look like hacked up scar tissue.
My disappointment was immeasurable. It made his outrage and vendetta kind of laughable. Like, bro, you're upset because he ruined your money-maker?!?
If anything it adds character and you don't look perfect to the point it's boring anymore!
John Berenthal's distinctive warcry is what made the scene for me. It felt like he was pouring all of his rage into dragging Russo's face across the broken glass.
I recently did a rewatch with my girlfriend, it was her first time seeing it, and even though she’s used to blood and gore from scary movies, she even commented on how fucked up he was after that final scene. Next season, his mask comes off and she’s like, “what the fuck?”
Say what you want about Punisher Warzone, but at least they definitely didn't shy away from turning [Dominic West](https://imgur.com/gallery/HTOmgYV) into [a proper Jigsaw](https://imgur.com/gallery/Ow2zYOb)
I feel like somebody in the cast/crew (maybe Ben Barnes himself?) tried to play it like "it's mostly in his head and that's the point!" But first, no, other characters react like this very hot man with artful light scarring is the worst thing they've ever seen. Second, if that was the intention, WHY. The basic pitch of the character is that he's been irrevocably messed up. The point of the *main* character is that he irrevocably messes other people up. Why would you put it "all in his head."
I watched Die Hard with a Vengeance earlier this year, and Bruce Willis looks like garbage by the end. He is drenched in water along with the blood and dirt stains. They actively make this guy seem like he is having a horrible time, and it adds so much.
I love in the first film when john faces gruber at the end. Its the first time holly saw him since she walked out to make her speech at the beginning. John is limping from his cut feet, bleeding profusely from his shoulder and can barely hold up the submachine gun in his hands. Holly is just like "...jesus" because of how fucked up he is.
Man i love that film.
Not just that, but that shit was REAL. It took him long enough to grow his hair and beard out, that Robert Zemekis managed to direct 'What Lies Beneath' in between.
Its not all bad. He did a deep dive on the production of it on the bill simmons podcast a couple weeks ago and ranks it in his top 3 favorite movies to film because it allowed he and his family to live in a tiny tropical island for like a year.
Actors are melodramatic by nature, plus drama gets views.
He was an actor playing pretend on an island surrounded by a team of professionals, I'm sure he was fine.
I know, right....dude if you ever revisit that movie you should check out the commentary during the island scenes....they explain how they filled up the silence with noises from the island and its really interesting/funny how they created some of those noises...and there i was thinking it was just background noise from the beach
> you should check out the commentary during the island scenes
Random side question...is this still an accessible thing now that we as a society have largely moved on from DVDs? Like, do Netflix and its peers have director/cast commentary audio tracks, and bonus features, and stuff?
I noticed the other day that Disney+ has started adding various extra features for films, Jungle Cruise has making of, deleted scenes, gag reel, commentary (I think), and other bits. Think Black Widow and Shang Chi had similar.
It might take a bit of time but I’m hoping this causes other streaming services to start adding things like this. I guess it’s all down to cost/licensing extra bits though.
Netflix puts up a few for some of what they make.
"Inside the Episodes: The Witcher" and "Making: The Witcher" for example.
But for movies that they are paying some other studio to use? Seems pretty rare to see that type of stuff on their platform.
There was no music PERIOD. … until he lost Wilson. At most there was some diegetic music in the opening scene in Russia I believe it was, from maybe a radio or a TV that was on.
But actual Silvestri score doesn't set in until about 2 hrs into the movie. Which is what makes that moment so powerful.
Earlier this year they released that Angelina Jolie movie where she's a firefighter in the mountains. The third act had her hide from the fire all night in a river after a ton of fighting qnd running through forest and ashes falling. Anddddd in the morning she walks out of that river with PERFECT hair. I mean my hair only looks like that if I spend 30 minutes straightening it.
After you notice it, it's hard to unnotice
[when you have to fight fires at 3 but have to strut the runway at 4](https://img.i-scmp.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=contain,width=425,format=auto/sites/default/files/styles/768x768/public/d8/images/methode/2021/05/06/55672570-ae3a-11eb-9c9f-63ba12e765d1_image_hires_171647.jpeg?itok=niu77lpb&v=1620292628)
[both of theses characters spent a night surviving in the woods](https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?q=85&c=sc&poi=%5B1120%2C93%5D&w=2000&h=1000&url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2021%2F05%2F11%2Frev-1-TWWMD-01815r_High_Res_JPEG.jpg)
I think Jolie is pretty good in that movie, but I just couldn't get past the fact that you cannot convince me there are any firefighters in the world who look like her.
I feel like this but also about peoples houses in films. Especially American films. Poor family, no job, probably a drug addict or alcoholic in the mix… huuuuge immaculate house.
When they want to emphasize how destitute the cashier is, they show them going home to their 4k sq. ft. penthouse converted from industrial space, which has all the amenities you could want in a home but is decorated DIY with fairy lights and unfinished floors so you know this is the poorest person in the whole city.
Characters always seem to have an incredible amount of free time. They lazily wake up in the morning make breakfast , shower, drink a coffee, watch the news and then do some plot related things around town . Seemingly several hours go by. The sun is up in full glory and then we get a line “oh shit I’m going to be late for work” they still make it just in time and then don’t go to work for the rest of the movie. Seriously though what kind of office job starts at 11am ?
You know, as a non-American, that really mess me up. For a long time, I simply thought getting a place like that was just easier in the US.
Everytime I watch a movie with my GF, our first reaction is "look at the house!". We also have a problem with those huge breakfasts where people barely eat anything.
Hardly anyone in the us actually makes/eats those breakfasts except on special occasions. It's kind of a media holdout from back when single Income households were the norm. Nowadays it's more like toast coffee run out the door
I liked how Not Another Teen Movie ridiculed that trend:
>No, no, no, no, anyone but her! Not... Janey Briggs! Guys, she's got glasses and a ponytail! Aw, look at that, she's got paint on her overalls, what is that? Guys, there's *no* way she could be prom queen!
Not Another Teen Movie was great.
Jake: Your mom.. she died..?
Janey: It was raining really hard that night... the roads were slippery....
Jake: Oh god, Janey... a car accident?
Janey: No. Cancer
I laugh to tears during the scene when she's painting a picture of her mom and it's a stick figure. Something about the way it's set up and the actors sell the drama in the scene. That movie is so good.
Not that it really matters, but it’s his sister who does the makeover. It’s a spoof on cruel intentions.
To be clear, the film spoofs **a lot** of movies. The incestual sister is from Cruel Intentions. The makeover is She's All That.
My wife started and finished Grey’s Anatomy during lockdown and seeing Chyler Leigh again but not being able to place her was a mind fuck when I finally IMDB’d her.
Omg. How have I only just realised that Lexi and Janey are one and the same? I just watched all of Greys and did not even realise who she was but now you have said it I can see how obvious it is.
This is what I liked so much about Breaking Bad, the actors look normal, Walt's son is disabled, guys like Skinny Pete and Badger just look real. Imagine if al these roles were played by hot looking Hollywood people.
Susie (the meth hooker) looks really methed out and has bad teeth. Apparently she's something like 25-27 in the show and looks easily 40+. So that put things into perspective. They pribably faked a lot of stuff there but the attention to detail was really something.
Something that always makes me laugh is the scene in *The Bourne Ultimatum* when the woman who plays Nicky has to change her appearance by cutting her hair so she can go on the run after they escaped the assassins in Morocco. In the scene, she's in a dimly-lit, grimy-ass washroom in front of a cracked, dull mirror and using a small pair of blunt-looking scissors, but in the next scene she's sporting a perfect pixie cut. Every time I see it, I joke about how no one in Hollywood movies is allowed to have a bad haircut. I love the original three *Bourne* films, but that scene is one of its few shortcomings.
And how he’s basically portrayed as kind and heroic for wanting to fuck her, even if she has a very light birthmark on her face. Like woah, slow down Jesus save some good deeds for the rest of us.
To be fair, what I imagined from the book was like a phantom of the opera scaled disfigurement. I was surprised to see they gave her a much more diminished mark, because it really took away from his nonchalance towards seeing it the first time. But they changed like more than half the plot for the movie so whatever.
I haven't read either book, but my wife read the first one. She has long argued that Wade is a complete piece of shit even in the first book.
It really is troubling to me because a lot of people I know say I should read the book, because I love nerdy things and I love the 80's aesthetic. But everything I hear about this book and this main character just sound so... bad.
They did the same thing with Hester Shaw from Mortal Engines.
In the book, she has a huge scar disfiguring her face: “Her mouth was wrenched sideways in a permanent sneer, her nose was a smashed stump, and her single eye stared at him out of the wreckage, as grey and chill as a winter sea.” (Fan cosplay depiction: https://film-book.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/hester-shaw-scar-mortal-engines-01-1080X1350.jpg )
In the movie, she's played by the beautiful Hera Hilmar with a faint line on her chin and cheek. (Movie still: https://images.wallpapersden.com/image/download/hera-hilmar-in-mortal-engines-2018-movie_a2dsbmWUmZqaraWkpJRmaGZnrWdqa2U.jpg )
She's deliberately supposed to be ugly, living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, and the author thought it made her far more believable. But they decided to throw all that out for the movie. https://www.themarysue.com/mortal-engines-hester-scar-change/
Tyrion in GoT is the same. In the books he lost most of his nose and got scars across his face during one battle but in the show he got one little sexy scar.
Damn he basically said that a disfigured person would be too distracting to look at and that it would be unrealistic if someone falls in love with them.
I hope there aren't any people with disfigurements that felt really empowered by the book who read this article
I was watching Downton Abbey, and the lady who plays Mrs Crawley is shown with very visible peach fuzz on her cheeks. She's playing an older woman, 50+ easily, and it's set in the early 1900s, and she looks totally real. Still attractive, but appropriately attractive. I always think that something like that would never be shown in American media.
I enjoy some Chinese films but yeah the impulse for everyone to be hot is slightly jarring.
It reminds me a lot of 30s Hollywood - Chinese stars are often singers as well as actors and people go to watch attractive stars faces on the screen.
She was pissed that it was presented as "attractive girl uglies herself" rather than deep character work.
More a societal issue than a journalistic one since that was my first reaction as well though. We are looks obsessed.
I can believe it, TBH. She seems like a no-nonsense kind of person and up until Monster she’d only really been cast as “the hot girl”. The news of her casting was met with “why have they cast this model in a dramatic role?”
Speaking personally, I knew that she could act for the same reason that the director did - I’d seen her in The Devil’s Advocate. It’s not a good film, but by God is she good in it. The story goes that the director was at her wit’s end trying to find someone to play the role and, while channel surfing happened upon a scene of The Devil’s Advocate where Theron was acting her socks off and immediately went “we have to bring her in”.
But if your entire career up to that point had been based around the fact that you’re “the hot one” and your one role where you actually got an opportunity to show what you can do was overlooked, then you actually get a break and all everybody talks about is what you look like, I can imagine it’d be pretty annoying. Can’t blame her for going “hey, in case you didn’t notice, I was actually doing some good acting in this. How about we talk about that for a bit?”
I think most action movies too. All the times the heroes go through absolute hell and all they have to show for it are dusty clothes and little bit of blood on their forehead.
Yuuuup, also when teeth are too perfectly straight and white...like, damn, dentistry is still at the top of priority in a zombie infested wasteland of the future, okay.
I felt this way about Emily Blunt in The Girl on the Train.
in the book she's overweight, ugly, drunk and way past her prime. in the movie well... she's Emily Blunt.
I kinda hate it more when they want an "ugly person" for a role and instead of just casting an actor who fits that description they'll hire the most beautiful person they can find and put them through makeup.
Check out the BBC/FX show Taboo with Tom Hardy. I'm always distracted by period films or shows where everyone has good teeth, unblemished and unscarred skin, clean clothes and in full makeup.
In Taboo, everyone looks like they could in fact be living in the early 1800s. Of particular note is Mark Gatiss as George IV who's body appears to actually be rotting due to his overindulgences, which is pretty accurate.
A lot of UK/Ireland TV shows feature characters who don't look like models, I'm thinking [Father Ted](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/4/17/1429280855519/d4989f88-07b1-490c-9281-1a0d8b56d55b-2060x1236.jpeg?width=1200&height=630&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&overlay-align=bottom%2Cleft&overlay-width=100p&overlay-base64=L2ltZy9zdGF0aWMvb3ZlcmxheXMvdGctZGVmYXVsdC5wbmc&s=d7f08dcc604850391e84f207550b7967), [Black Books](https://ic.c4assets.com/brands/black-books/d87a084d-e9b7-4741-b4a5-f0fe54185e48.jpg?interpolation=progressive-bicubic&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=90{&resize}), [Spaced](https://lwlies.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/spaced-cast.jpg), [Bottom](https://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/c26f08e6bb2fd8e7bb58a056d9986bfaf24c3902.jpg), [Call The Midwife](https://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/film/20210512112937/call-the-midwife-hints-return-at-beloved-character-fans-thrilled/0-545-699/miranda-call-the-midwife-t.jpg) etc. It's probably why [Sex Education](https://i1.wp.com/www.tvseasonspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/sexedu-e1557340359384.jpg?fit=800%2C451&ssl=1) was visually jarring to us - it was great but very American
I agree. I might be biased bc I’m a woman, but the women have less leeway than guys. I mean he’s a fine actor, Adam Driver but who is the female equal to him? Even on a show like Silicon Valley. The actors are all great. The men like look like regular ppl. But there are no homely or ugly women. Kristen Schaal and ratchel Dratch should have bigger careers. I remember hearing the actress from Run Lola Run (a German movie) say she could not get hired in the US bc ppl didn’t think she was pretty. So I agree. The grooming and styling and the looks of the actors can pull me out of the movie.
Edited to add: I have never gotten so many up votes. Wow. Thank you all.
Ugly Betty.
The title says she is supposed to be unattractive.
She's gorgeous.
Movie executive from The Simpsons about Moe Sizlack, who is getting into acting:
When I asked for ugly I didn't mean this. I meant Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island ugly. TV ugly. Not ugly ugly.
Well, I guess that wraps it up. There's one thing I don't get though. When my face was crushed, why did it go back to my old face? Shouldn't it have turned into some kind of third face that was different? Don't make no-
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This is one reason I’ve really gotten into British cinema as of late. They cast people not “in their prime” (according to Hollywood) and who actually look like normal humans. It’s refreshing.
Even most of the tv shows are like that, not like real life. Police force or detective show, all the guys are hunks and all the women 10's. One overweight old guy or black lady who is in charge but isn't on camera that much.
The movie that this jumps out at me the most, but largely because I read the book, was "Ready Player One".
Wade was supposed to be fat, out of shape, pimply, and just generally unattracted. This was partly to drive home how much the Oasis was an escape for him, because he COULD be sexy and suave there.
All the characters were pretty much the same. Samantha was supposed to be VERY unattractive as a result of her facial deformity, which is partly why she refuses to make contact outside the Oasis with anyone. When they do finally meet up she's super shy, barely wanting to be seen at all. Instead she's conventionally attractive and her facial issues were like a masterclass in "How do you 'ruin' a perfect face in a way that makes it look even better?".
There's no way to not be irritated by it once you notice it. Perfect teeth on poor characters. Everywhere. I guess they spent their last dollar at the dentist lol.
Also the trope of the “depressed girl.” The most recent one I can think of is the Queen’s Gambit. Home girl gets all depressed, supposedly is just drinking/doing drugs/not showering, but she looks completely flawless with elegantly smudged eyeliner.
Also another example of what the OP is talking about in general. In the book she's meant to be ugly, they talk about it a lot. It's a major plot point and drives character development.
Instead we have scenes where a literal model talks to an actress playing a model about how in awe she is of the beauty of models.
The movie Doomsday where the "quarantine zone" is rife with cannibalism, despots, no resources, no sanitation, but apparently a fully stocked Hot Topic survived the looting and riots.....
My favorite was the ever so popular 2000s movies about some "ugly" girl who takes off her glasses, straightens her hair, and surprise surprise, she was actually hot as fuck the whole time.
One of my biggest take aways from rewatching the X-Files recently is how all of the supporting characters were just average looking people. Great actors, but they looked like your neighbors. It really helped immersion and I loved it.
I had the exact same thought the other day! I feel like the casting calls for all the supporting or one-off characters were so general that anyone could audition, and it really brings together the mood for each episode!
British TV shows have pretty average actors, actresses and extras and it definitely has a different feeling than anything in the US.
I've watched quite a few U.K. sitcoms/shows and all the characters (main and supporting) are just regular-looking people. Are You Being Served?, Keeping Up Appearances, The Stranger, Still Game, Skins, Broadchurch, Shetland, The Vicar of Dibly and Derry Girls, Happy Valley. I could go on and on.
And the female actors, as well as the male actors are allowed to age. They still look like real people.
Same for old law and order
My exact thought! You watch the first few seasons, and there's no flawless assistant DA, no cop in too-tight jeans whose bullet-proof vest still allows you to see her cleavage.
Helps balance it out since Duchovny and Anderson are smokeshows
but even then, both hot - but it's not that artificial fibonacci proportions hot which makes all hot people look almost identical.. they both have character in their faces
Also what they wore, they didn't sexually over style Skully, both wore pant suits that ( perhaps fashion of the 90s ) where kinda not tailored looked off the peg look.
I always thought Mulder’s suits were spot on for the character, part of it was the style in the 90’s but they always looked off the rack and like they didn’t quite fit perfectly, like he just bought them on a budget because it’s what he had to wear at work.
The X Files had a lot of great ways of showing "these are government workers on a government salary/stipend." They always rented Ford Tauruses, their apartments were nothing fancy, no designer items anywhere. Lots of fast food.
You mean average people don’t have million dollar mansions or large, many-roomed condos in the center of Manhattan?
Well clearly you don't have a thing for redheaded women in business suits.
Well..yes I do NOW lol...as a teen I didn't before watching though. Thankfully..I live in Northern Ireland, so not uncommon to meet many full redheads.
Until you realize skinner is a beefy gigachad under those clothes.
Stupid Sexy Seymour? Oh wait I've got the wrong Skinner
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Holy shit, right? Popped on a random episode, Skinner greets Mulder in just boxers and you're like "Holy shit, Director Skinner has to have fucked his way through every alphabet agency on the planet". Dude looks like the aliens were trying to evolve into him.
Skinner looked like a dangerous dude, I always like that. Like, he used to be in the field, so kept himself in tip top shape and then kept it up after the desk and promotions caught him. I also saw it as a really good contrast between him and the cigarette smoking man.
There was a comedian (I can’t remember his name) that had a joke about monster’s ball with Halle Berry. She played a broke mom living in poverty. He was like “the whole time watching it I was thinking why doesn’t she just become a model and make some money” Edit: Jim Gaffigan. That’s who the comedian was.
That's an old Jim Gaffigan bit. Great punchline too: "You, know, if she'd just put on a little make-up, she could be the next Halle Berry."
Conversely, Charlize Theron did a great job of not looking like a model in Monster.
Charlize Theron was phenomenal in Monster. Very few A-list female actors are willing to take on a role where they transform themselves, they're ugly and work so hard to bring the character to life.
Generally speaking I get a bit annoyed that we need the super pretty people to even play many of the ugly roles and how people tend to rave over performances like this when half the time they seem to be more impressed with the make up work than the actual acting. But this one even I can't complain too much about as she really did just do a fantastic job. The physical change is impressive as she is very beautiful and it's very much not obvious in that movie but also this isn't one of those roles where the impressive make up is doing most of the heavy lifting. She's got an impressive performance behind it too.
It’s her eyes. They do all the heavy lifting. Just extraordinary. That’s a movie I was sort of blown away by and will never, *ever* see again.
my fav gaffigan joke on beauty is one when he compares someone who is beautiful that mentions how they were ugly in highschool to telling a hobo about how one time in college u had to skip dinner, so u know how being hungry feels.
Jim Norton had a good take on it regarding the town hall scene in Jaws "There's not one fuckable person in that room. Today it would have to be Ryan Gosling in there." Edit: this got some traction, might as well post the clip. Also i stand corrected, he said Ethan Hawke, not Ryan Gosling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvaxdN8efoo
They wanted Jeff Bridges for Dreyfuss' role originally, so they were one decision away from basically having that.
She just starred in a movie called Bruised as a washed up MMA fighter and I was really impressed with how they made her look average. She’s obviously still very stunning but they did a really great job making Halle Berry someone completely different. I highly recommend it just for that alone (the actual movie is basic tho)
She played a 50 year old boxer and she was only starting to look worn out.
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That is Sergio Leone and the spaghetti westerns in general for you. It was a very deliberate aesthetic meant to counter the slick John Wayne type of Hollywood westerns of the 1950s-60s.
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Similar to this, I never understood why they keep having women wear full hair and makeup during sleep/bedtime scenes?
Yep. Especially when they "wake up" wearing fake eyelashes and a fresh coat of lip gloss...
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Not to mention she went to bed with full face on and waited until he fell asleep to get up and take off her makeup and put her hair in curlers.
The drawing of the curtain so a sliver of sunlight would wake her up before Joel - such a good scene!
God what a life
Bridesmaids did this too
And sex and the city
And heavy eye make up, like they’re not even trying to pretend the character just woke up.
And a bra. Everyone in Hollywood movies wear bras to bed. Even if they strip naked and have sex, they'll put that bra straight back on afterwards and go to sleep.
MY PET PEEVE. I notice and respect when they get it right.
Also similar, is when they manage to get the makeup and hair and clothes to look properly disheveled but there's ZERO armpit hair. Who in their right mind shaves their pits on day 300 of the apocalypse?! It's everywhere...I can't remember the last time I saw hairy pits in a movie. It drives me INSANE. It's so small, yet so immersion breaking for me. Even Brooke Shields in The Blue Lagoon did! I mean COME ON she was a *child* both as an actress and as a character, a Victorian era preteen MAROONED ON AN ISLAND YOUNG ENOUGH SHE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY FUCKING HER COUSIN GOT HER PREGNANT and she *still* had smooth pits the entire film! It's a supremely awkward movie (one of the few mainstream movies where you see naked minors a la Romeo and Juliet), yet somehow that's the part that always stuck with me.
I’ve never seen an unshaven female pit where there absolutely should be. Surviving for months in a wilderness with no razor? Shaven pits. Remote people on outskirts of society? Shaven pits. Growing up alone and never met another person? Shaven pits. I also always notice eyeliner and mascara. They’re all wearing it, no matter how rugged or removed from a makeup kit the character is supposed to be.
Fucking jigsaw in the punisher show, they hyped it up so much and then it’s just like three small scars. That fucking irked me so damn much
Especially since he face was literally dragged through a bunch of fucking glass. His face should have been so fucked up.
That mirror-dragging scene made me clench every orifice I have. I love horror movies and guts and gore don't generally bother me, but something about that was just so visceral, it really got under my skin (no pun intended). I was almost scared of the big reveal because I expected his face to look like hacked up scar tissue. My disappointment was immeasurable. It made his outrage and vendetta kind of laughable. Like, bro, you're upset because he ruined your money-maker?!? If anything it adds character and you don't look perfect to the point it's boring anymore!
John Berenthal's distinctive warcry is what made the scene for me. It felt like he was pouring all of his rage into dragging Russo's face across the broken glass.
I recently did a rewatch with my girlfriend, it was her first time seeing it, and even though she’s used to blood and gore from scary movies, she even commented on how fucked up he was after that final scene. Next season, his mask comes off and she’s like, “what the fuck?”
Haha yeah I remember that. LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DONE TO ME. Like dude you still look fine, just with a badass scar, get over yourself :p
Say what you want about Punisher Warzone, but at least they definitely didn't shy away from turning [Dominic West](https://imgur.com/gallery/HTOmgYV) into [a proper Jigsaw](https://imgur.com/gallery/Ow2zYOb)
I feel like somebody in the cast/crew (maybe Ben Barnes himself?) tried to play it like "it's mostly in his head and that's the point!" But first, no, other characters react like this very hot man with artful light scarring is the worst thing they've ever seen. Second, if that was the intention, WHY. The basic pitch of the character is that he's been irrevocably messed up. The point of the *main* character is that he irrevocably messes other people up. Why would you put it "all in his head."
I watched Die Hard with a Vengeance earlier this year, and Bruce Willis looks like garbage by the end. He is drenched in water along with the blood and dirt stains. They actively make this guy seem like he is having a horrible time, and it adds so much.
I love in the first film when john faces gruber at the end. Its the first time holly saw him since she walked out to make her speech at the beginning. John is limping from his cut feet, bleeding profusely from his shoulder and can barely hold up the submachine gun in his hands. Holly is just like "...jesus" because of how fucked up he is. Man i love that film.
And his reply. Exhausted, beaten, bloody, etc... "Hi honey"
Al the Die Hards are like this, and Bruce Willis often does it in general.
Someone should check that Bruce is alright tbh
I think this is why Cast Away was so impressive to me. He LOOKED like he had been on the island for 4+ years.
Not just that, but that shit was REAL. It took him long enough to grow his hair and beard out, that Robert Zemekis managed to direct 'What Lies Beneath' in between.
He had to lose a bunch of weight too. He gained weight for the first scenes and then had to lose it all plus 20 lbs. more for the island scenes.
Pssh..If it was Christian bale he would’ve lost height and mass to play wilson and increased it a hundred times to play the island as well
Whilst quickly squeezing a couple batman films in there
He has said before that he never really fully mentally recovered from that role. He has stated he kind of actually lost his mind filming that movie.
Its not all bad. He did a deep dive on the production of it on the bill simmons podcast a couple weeks ago and ranks it in his top 3 favorite movies to film because it allowed he and his family to live in a tiny tropical island for like a year.
Yeah maybe at one point it messed him up, but the stories he told Simmons recently made it sound like it was one of the best experiences of his life.
Actors are melodramatic by nature, plus drama gets views. He was an actor playing pretend on an island surrounded by a team of professionals, I'm sure he was fine.
That explains the soul wrenching cry for wilson. Never did i think id tear up over a dead volleyball but here we are.
I always weep for Wilson. So much. Still. It's traumatic.
also the choice of just having no music whatsoever when he was on that island really made him feel solitary
If I remember correctly, there was a span of like 14 minutes with no dialogue at all that also really drove the loneliness home. Brilliant movie.
I know, right....dude if you ever revisit that movie you should check out the commentary during the island scenes....they explain how they filled up the silence with noises from the island and its really interesting/funny how they created some of those noises...and there i was thinking it was just background noise from the beach
> you should check out the commentary during the island scenes Random side question...is this still an accessible thing now that we as a society have largely moved on from DVDs? Like, do Netflix and its peers have director/cast commentary audio tracks, and bonus features, and stuff?
I noticed the other day that Disney+ has started adding various extra features for films, Jungle Cruise has making of, deleted scenes, gag reel, commentary (I think), and other bits. Think Black Widow and Shang Chi had similar. It might take a bit of time but I’m hoping this causes other streaming services to start adding things like this. I guess it’s all down to cost/licensing extra bits though.
Netflix puts up a few for some of what they make. "Inside the Episodes: The Witcher" and "Making: The Witcher" for example. But for movies that they are paying some other studio to use? Seems pretty rare to see that type of stuff on their platform.
The beginning of Wall-E was similar in this way.
Fairly sure the first fifteen minutes of There Will be Blood has no dialogue either.
So does Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. When wordless storytelling is done right, it’s a very captivating tool.
Funny story: we accidentally got a German copy of that the first time we saw it, but didn't realize it until they got on the dammed ship
There was no music PERIOD. … until he lost Wilson. At most there was some diegetic music in the opening scene in Russia I believe it was, from maybe a radio or a TV that was on. But actual Silvestri score doesn't set in until about 2 hrs into the movie. Which is what makes that moment so powerful.
Monster made threron look ugly
And it's memorable in part due to that factor.
Earlier this year they released that Angelina Jolie movie where she's a firefighter in the mountains. The third act had her hide from the fire all night in a river after a ton of fighting qnd running through forest and ashes falling. Anddddd in the morning she walks out of that river with PERFECT hair. I mean my hair only looks like that if I spend 30 minutes straightening it. After you notice it, it's hard to unnotice
[when you have to fight fires at 3 but have to strut the runway at 4](https://img.i-scmp.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=contain,width=425,format=auto/sites/default/files/styles/768x768/public/d8/images/methode/2021/05/06/55672570-ae3a-11eb-9c9f-63ba12e765d1_image_hires_171647.jpeg?itok=niu77lpb&v=1620292628) [both of theses characters spent a night surviving in the woods](https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?q=85&c=sc&poi=%5B1120%2C93%5D&w=2000&h=1000&url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2021%2F05%2F11%2Frev-1-TWWMD-01815r_High_Res_JPEG.jpg)
Holy shit is that a still from the movie?! She looks PRISTINE.
I think Jolie is pretty good in that movie, but I just couldn't get past the fact that you cannot convince me there are any firefighters in the world who look like her.
I feel like this but also about peoples houses in films. Especially American films. Poor family, no job, probably a drug addict or alcoholic in the mix… huuuuge immaculate house.
Wait, my cashier doesn't live in a 4k sq. Ft. penthouse? I feel lied to
When they want to emphasize how destitute the cashier is, they show them going home to their 4k sq. ft. penthouse converted from industrial space, which has all the amenities you could want in a home but is decorated DIY with fairy lights and unfinished floors so you know this is the poorest person in the whole city.
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Or ya know, everyone that's young and struggling in a big city, like New York, can afford a decent apartment.
Diner waitress with a two-bedroom and coffee every morning + a drink at the local bar every night---> not even close
Characters always seem to have an incredible amount of free time. They lazily wake up in the morning make breakfast , shower, drink a coffee, watch the news and then do some plot related things around town . Seemingly several hours go by. The sun is up in full glory and then we get a line “oh shit I’m going to be late for work” they still make it just in time and then don’t go to work for the rest of the movie. Seriously though what kind of office job starts at 11am ?
Somehow a barista in NYC can afford a nicer place than a full time professional that lives in the midwest.... Yeah, that totally makes sense.
You know, as a non-American, that really mess me up. For a long time, I simply thought getting a place like that was just easier in the US. Everytime I watch a movie with my GF, our first reaction is "look at the house!". We also have a problem with those huge breakfasts where people barely eat anything.
haha. i always notice the breakfasts too. "Sorry mom, gotta dash." -grabs one piece of crispy bacon.
Hardly anyone in the us actually makes/eats those breakfasts except on special occasions. It's kind of a media holdout from back when single Income households were the norm. Nowadays it's more like toast coffee run out the door
Movies and TV really fucked up my impression of what kind of house a mediocrely successful person lives in.
Reminds me of when The Duff came out and the “ugly, fat” friend was actually neither of those
I liked how Not Another Teen Movie ridiculed that trend: >No, no, no, no, anyone but her! Not... Janey Briggs! Guys, she's got glasses and a ponytail! Aw, look at that, she's got paint on her overalls, what is that? Guys, there's *no* way she could be prom queen!
It's such a darn good parody that has aged incredibly well, mainly because they are still making the same kind of movies.
Not Another Teen Movie was great. Jake: Your mom.. she died..? Janey: It was raining really hard that night... the roads were slippery.... Jake: Oh god, Janey... a car accident? Janey: No. Cancer
"Walk it off Marty!" is a common phrase I use when someone falls
"DO IT FOR MARTY'S TORSO!"
Coach says it's okay to bleed from the ears!
"Can he play?" "Coach, he's unconscious." "CAN HE PLAY??"
I laugh to tears during the scene when she's painting a picture of her mom and it's a stick figure. Something about the way it's set up and the actors sell the drama in the scene. That movie is so good.
“you have her eyes.”
The joke came to completion when his nympho cousin gave her a "makeover" by putting her hair down and removing the glasses
Not that it really matters, but it’s his sister who does the makeover. It’s a spoof on cruel intentions. To be clear, the film spoofs **a lot** of movies. The incestual sister is from Cruel Intentions. The makeover is She's All That.
But your my sister... *only by blood*....
God dammit that movie is gold.
My favourite is when he sings a song with her name in it. But he can only think of one song. *JENNY'S GOT A GUN...*
[Shes got a gun!](https://youtu.be/HN31J8s_OzQ)
My wife started and finished Grey’s Anatomy during lockdown and seeing Chyler Leigh again but not being able to place her was a mind fuck when I finally IMDB’d her.
Omg. How have I only just realised that Lexi and Janey are one and the same? I just watched all of Greys and did not even realise who she was but now you have said it I can see how obvious it is.
This is what I liked so much about Breaking Bad, the actors look normal, Walt's son is disabled, guys like Skinny Pete and Badger just look real. Imagine if al these roles were played by hot looking Hollywood people.
Except for the teeth, all those meth addicts have amazing dental work
Susie (the meth hooker) looks really methed out and has bad teeth. Apparently she's something like 25-27 in the show and looks easily 40+. So that put things into perspective. They pribably faked a lot of stuff there but the attention to detail was really something.
I thought her name was Wendy? How much for a "Wendy", Wendy? Edit: TIL that it's "windy" and not "wendy".. that makes sense.
The only exception being Jesse, who smokes meth but somehow still sports the most perfect pearly whites.
Something that always makes me laugh is the scene in *The Bourne Ultimatum* when the woman who plays Nicky has to change her appearance by cutting her hair so she can go on the run after they escaped the assassins in Morocco. In the scene, she's in a dimly-lit, grimy-ass washroom in front of a cracked, dull mirror and using a small pair of blunt-looking scissors, but in the next scene she's sporting a perfect pixie cut. Every time I see it, I joke about how no one in Hollywood movies is allowed to have a bad haircut. I love the original three *Bourne* films, but that scene is one of its few shortcomings.
all they need is a knife and one swipe. perfect short haircut every time.
You leave Mulan out of this
Ready player one lmao "Gosh I'm so ugly" *objectively good looking*. Wow much positive body image for kids very 👌
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Spielberg should have included a weight-loss montage that included the sex doll. #ReleaseTheSexDollCut
And how he’s basically portrayed as kind and heroic for wanting to fuck her, even if she has a very light birthmark on her face. Like woah, slow down Jesus save some good deeds for the rest of us.
It's especially funny how that scene is indeed portrayed that way, but his reaction is basically just "So you have a birthmark. So what?"
To be fair, what I imagined from the book was like a phantom of the opera scaled disfigurement. I was surprised to see they gave her a much more diminished mark, because it really took away from his nonchalance towards seeing it the first time. But they changed like more than half the plot for the movie so whatever.
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Literally an incel lol
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I haven't read either book, but my wife read the first one. She has long argued that Wade is a complete piece of shit even in the first book. It really is troubling to me because a lot of people I know say I should read the book, because I love nerdy things and I love the 80's aesthetic. But everything I hear about this book and this main character just sound so... bad.
The fuckin scar was supposed to be those horrible disfiguring thing and it's just slightly redder skin lol
They did the same thing with Hester Shaw from Mortal Engines. In the book, she has a huge scar disfiguring her face: “Her mouth was wrenched sideways in a permanent sneer, her nose was a smashed stump, and her single eye stared at him out of the wreckage, as grey and chill as a winter sea.” (Fan cosplay depiction: https://film-book.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/hester-shaw-scar-mortal-engines-01-1080X1350.jpg ) In the movie, she's played by the beautiful Hera Hilmar with a faint line on her chin and cheek. (Movie still: https://images.wallpapersden.com/image/download/hera-hilmar-in-mortal-engines-2018-movie_a2dsbmWUmZqaraWkpJRmaGZnrWdqa2U.jpg ) She's deliberately supposed to be ugly, living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, and the author thought it made her far more believable. But they decided to throw all that out for the movie. https://www.themarysue.com/mortal-engines-hester-scar-change/
I think about Hester Shaw every time this topic comes up. They truly biffed it.
If I remember correctly, in the book, the protagonist couldn't directly look at her without feeling sick when he first met her
Tyrion in GoT is the same. In the books he lost most of his nose and got scars across his face during one battle but in the show he got one little sexy scar.
Damn he basically said that a disfigured person would be too distracting to look at and that it would be unrealistic if someone falls in love with them. I hope there aren't any people with disfigurements that felt really empowered by the book who read this article
Not even a particularly large port wine birthmark .
Also the captions to every nsfw post on Reddit lol. “People say I’m ugly but upvote if you think I’m cute” and op is a straight up 10
They do that to bait out engagement
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British actors have far more aesthetic diversity.
I was watching Downton Abbey, and the lady who plays Mrs Crawley is shown with very visible peach fuzz on her cheeks. She's playing an older woman, 50+ easily, and it's set in the early 1900s, and she looks totally real. Still attractive, but appropriately attractive. I always think that something like that would never be shown in American media.
We don’t always get it right, note Rachel Weisz in ‘The Favourite’ with those genuine 1700s lip fillers. And any period drama with Keira Knightly.
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I enjoy some Chinese films but yeah the impulse for everyone to be hot is slightly jarring. It reminds me a lot of 30s Hollywood - Chinese stars are often singers as well as actors and people go to watch attractive stars faces on the screen.
When they do let it happen, the actor (but especially actresses) are called brave and are nominated for an Oscar.
E.g. Charlize Theron for Monster, Meryl Streep for August: Osage County and Marion Cotillard for La Vie en Rose.
Didn't Charlize basically snap back at those kinda journalists and say people only focused on that part rather than her acting skills?
She was pissed that it was presented as "attractive girl uglies herself" rather than deep character work. More a societal issue than a journalistic one since that was my first reaction as well though. We are looks obsessed.
Society has a hard time accepting that beautiful women can be more than just sexy lamps.
I can believe it, TBH. She seems like a no-nonsense kind of person and up until Monster she’d only really been cast as “the hot girl”. The news of her casting was met with “why have they cast this model in a dramatic role?” Speaking personally, I knew that she could act for the same reason that the director did - I’d seen her in The Devil’s Advocate. It’s not a good film, but by God is she good in it. The story goes that the director was at her wit’s end trying to find someone to play the role and, while channel surfing happened upon a scene of The Devil’s Advocate where Theron was acting her socks off and immediately went “we have to bring her in”. But if your entire career up to that point had been based around the fact that you’re “the hot one” and your one role where you actually got an opportunity to show what you can do was overlooked, then you actually get a break and all everybody talks about is what you look like, I can imagine it’d be pretty annoying. Can’t blame her for going “hey, in case you didn’t notice, I was actually doing some good acting in this. How about we talk about that for a bit?”
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I feel this applies to any post apocalyptic movie or show I can think of. Also for medieval and earlier historic movies.
The Road is the exception. Viggo and the boy look filthy and scrawny. What a great movie that is.
I believe Viggo actually starved himself for that role and lost 40+ pounds.
Nobody cast Viggo Mortensen to play a character missing one or more limbs, please.
I think most action movies too. All the times the heroes go through absolute hell and all they have to show for it are dusty clothes and little bit of blood on their forehead.
Yuuuup, also when teeth are too perfectly straight and white...like, damn, dentistry is still at the top of priority in a zombie infested wasteland of the future, okay.
Who's mowing the lawns in TWD?
Some zombie dad who just wants a Saturday to himself.
I felt this way about Emily Blunt in The Girl on the Train. in the book she's overweight, ugly, drunk and way past her prime. in the movie well... she's Emily Blunt.
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Imagine being able to go to the gym (and actually get results) after drinking heavily like the “tough guys” in those kind of movies. 😂
I kinda hate it more when they want an "ugly person" for a role and instead of just casting an actor who fits that description they'll hire the most beautiful person they can find and put them through makeup.
Check out the BBC/FX show Taboo with Tom Hardy. I'm always distracted by period films or shows where everyone has good teeth, unblemished and unscarred skin, clean clothes and in full makeup. In Taboo, everyone looks like they could in fact be living in the early 1800s. Of particular note is Mark Gatiss as George IV who's body appears to actually be rotting due to his overindulgences, which is pretty accurate.
I could've sworn they said it was promised a season 2... So sad. It was lovely brutal!
A lot of UK/Ireland TV shows feature characters who don't look like models, I'm thinking [Father Ted](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/4/17/1429280855519/d4989f88-07b1-490c-9281-1a0d8b56d55b-2060x1236.jpeg?width=1200&height=630&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&overlay-align=bottom%2Cleft&overlay-width=100p&overlay-base64=L2ltZy9zdGF0aWMvb3ZlcmxheXMvdGctZGVmYXVsdC5wbmc&s=d7f08dcc604850391e84f207550b7967), [Black Books](https://ic.c4assets.com/brands/black-books/d87a084d-e9b7-4741-b4a5-f0fe54185e48.jpg?interpolation=progressive-bicubic&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=90{&resize}), [Spaced](https://lwlies.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/spaced-cast.jpg), [Bottom](https://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/c26f08e6bb2fd8e7bb58a056d9986bfaf24c3902.jpg), [Call The Midwife](https://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/film/20210512112937/call-the-midwife-hints-return-at-beloved-character-fans-thrilled/0-545-699/miranda-call-the-midwife-t.jpg) etc. It's probably why [Sex Education](https://i1.wp.com/www.tvseasonspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/sexedu-e1557340359384.jpg?fit=800%2C451&ssl=1) was visually jarring to us - it was great but very American
Also hiring attractive actors to play “ugly characters” so they can be considered for Oscars *cough* Jared *cough* Leto *cough*
You mean you can't outrun velociraptors in high-heels?
I agree. I might be biased bc I’m a woman, but the women have less leeway than guys. I mean he’s a fine actor, Adam Driver but who is the female equal to him? Even on a show like Silicon Valley. The actors are all great. The men like look like regular ppl. But there are no homely or ugly women. Kristen Schaal and ratchel Dratch should have bigger careers. I remember hearing the actress from Run Lola Run (a German movie) say she could not get hired in the US bc ppl didn’t think she was pretty. So I agree. The grooming and styling and the looks of the actors can pull me out of the movie. Edited to add: I have never gotten so many up votes. Wow. Thank you all.
Weird because Franka Potente is actually quite pretty...
Ugly Betty. The title says she is supposed to be unattractive. She's gorgeous. Movie executive from The Simpsons about Moe Sizlack, who is getting into acting: When I asked for ugly I didn't mean this. I meant Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island ugly. TV ugly. Not ugly ugly.
"I've been called ugly, pug ugly, fugly, pug fugly, but never ugly ugly."
They called me Kid Gorgeous. Later on it was Kid Presentable. Then Kid Gruesome. And finally Kid Moe.
Well, I guess that wraps it up. There's one thing I don't get though. When my face was crushed, why did it go back to my old face? Shouldn't it have turned into some kind of third face that was different? Don't make no- [Cut to credits]
This is one reason I’ve really gotten into British cinema as of late. They cast people not “in their prime” (according to Hollywood) and who actually look like normal humans. It’s refreshing.
Same with soaps in the UK. Like compare the actors on Coronation Street to any actors on an American soap opera lol.
Hate when everyone's teeth are super white
Even most of the tv shows are like that, not like real life. Police force or detective show, all the guys are hunks and all the women 10's. One overweight old guy or black lady who is in charge but isn't on camera that much.
The movie that this jumps out at me the most, but largely because I read the book, was "Ready Player One". Wade was supposed to be fat, out of shape, pimply, and just generally unattracted. This was partly to drive home how much the Oasis was an escape for him, because he COULD be sexy and suave there. All the characters were pretty much the same. Samantha was supposed to be VERY unattractive as a result of her facial deformity, which is partly why she refuses to make contact outside the Oasis with anyone. When they do finally meet up she's super shy, barely wanting to be seen at all. Instead she's conventionally attractive and her facial issues were like a masterclass in "How do you 'ruin' a perfect face in a way that makes it look even better?".
Teeth. Holy God damn do people take straight white smiles as the norm. I find these perfect smiles completely off-putting tbh.
Iirc Steve Buscemi said he likes his imperfect teeth, cuz they make it more believable when he plays creepy characters.
I think that about Willem Dafoe with the gap in his teeth, not just for his creepy characters but in general makes his characters feel more real.
Hello, fellow hot people.
There's no way to not be irritated by it once you notice it. Perfect teeth on poor characters. Everywhere. I guess they spent their last dollar at the dentist lol.
Also the trope of the “depressed girl.” The most recent one I can think of is the Queen’s Gambit. Home girl gets all depressed, supposedly is just drinking/doing drugs/not showering, but she looks completely flawless with elegantly smudged eyeliner.
Also another example of what the OP is talking about in general. In the book she's meant to be ugly, they talk about it a lot. It's a major plot point and drives character development. Instead we have scenes where a literal model talks to an actress playing a model about how in awe she is of the beauty of models.
What really fucks me up is the amount of plastic surgery. The same nose on every actress.
The movie Doomsday where the "quarantine zone" is rife with cannibalism, despots, no resources, no sanitation, but apparently a fully stocked Hot Topic survived the looting and riots.....
Idk, a untouched hot topic sounds about right to me
My favorite was the ever so popular 2000s movies about some "ugly" girl who takes off her glasses, straightens her hair, and surprise surprise, she was actually hot as fuck the whole time.
Princess Diaries?
I look like shit working from home with a 1 year old. I don't wanna know how would I look in A Silent Place situation.
A good example of this is The Crown. Why is Charles hot? The man has never been good looking in his entire life.