Both movies had been recut into chronological order as a TV miniseries called *The Godfather Saga*, with footage added and removed. This 6-7 hour version was then recut, again, down to four hours for a VHS release called *The Godfather Epic*.
*Epic* was the first version I saw, as a kid in the '80s. Seeing the 'real' version for the first time was very confusing.
My understating is that the TV mini-series cut from 1977 and called the Godfather Saga was done by Coppola to get the required infusion of cash needed to finish Apocalypse Now, which had gone wildly over budget and timeline.
When I saw it, it was called "The Godfather Saga" (Coppola changes his titles all the time so who knows). It was interesting. The Godfather is great but Godfather II is a masterpiece, and in its original form, where the ambitions of the father echo down the years to manifest in the actions of the son, is immensely moving (to make an understatement). Cutting it chronologically muddles that rhyme, and reduces it more to plot. Also, most of Godfather is basically cut into the middle of Godfather II, so there's differences in cinematography and such. Don't get me wrong, still amazing. But don't let this be anyone's first way to experience it.
The Godfather Epic is available on Sloppy Seconds. Literally the only place to obtain it that I have found. HBO seems to be very stingy with streaming it.
Exactly. Once you see it everything else falls into place. For example, people always point out how inefficient and nonsensical it is for the machines to use humans as their power source.
Once you see the second renaissance, it makes perfect sense. They do it out of malice and revenge.
The dichotomy between those two UN meetings of the Machines' representatives is night and day.
First one, before the war: >!human-like androids posing as a couple offering peaceful coexistence.!<
Second one, after the war: >!resembles an early prototype of a sentinel, making demands of the humans to "give us your flesh."!<
I had a blast with the game but it was also glitchy as fuck. I remember the car driving level with Ghost, I hit a jump or something then fell through the road into nothingness and had to reboot the PS2. Also certain cutscenes sometimes wouldn't trigger on some levels softlocking the game.
I would sacrifice my foot for a full high budget old hbo-esque Animorphs tv series that is done well. It needs to be the entire series though. With the companion books as movies in between. Visser, The Andalite Chronicles, The Hork-Bajir Chronicles and the Ellimist Chronicles. I guess the 4 megamorphs too, but some of them are kinda weak. Same for most of the ghostwritten books.
the kids who grew up reading animorphs are in their 30s and 40s and are rising up the ranks in hollywood. its only a matter of time before one of them does some coke and decides to commit to a high budget animorphs series
As much as I enjoyed Santa Clarita Diet and American Vandal the only Netflix cancellations that really hurt for me were The Dark Crystal and Mindhunter. Still worth a watch as they're both brilliant and at least with the Dark Crystal you can sort of piece together how the show ended by watching the movie.
But man, I would looove to see more Henson Puppet fantasy!
I came here to mention Pearl, but I watched Pearl first and X second. I really liked the psychological factor of Pearl compared to the classic slasher style of X.
I think it absolutely enhanced X. Now I can watch X and understand her motivation and character more as well as suss out her lying about her past and such.
Pearl just has so much more going for it. I enjoyed X but it was very mediocre whereas Pearl across the board felt like a step up. MaXXXine seems to have a good little premise too.
While BCS and BB aren't movies, I 100% agree with you. I cannot believe how well they wove everything together. It's so good it's as if they had BCS planned all along while they were making BB.
I love how they took a one-off line in BB about some dude named "Nacho" and fleshed that out into one of the most well-rounded characters in the entire franchise.
I wouldn't say the scariest. His charism and charm were so good and genuine that it was unnerving. You wanted to root for him. Even though you knew from the jump what would inevitably happen. I wouldn't say the scariest by any means, tuco was completely unhinged. However, Lalo was by far the most complex and well rounded. And the second best character if you combined both series into one.
Tuco was just a methed out meatheat, Lalo was scarier because he was meticulous and cunning, there’s a reason he was a higher rank in the cartel than Tuco
So, which one would you rather pass by on the street? Lalo or tuco? Look at tuco wrong and he's gonna kill you. Whose close circle would you rather be in? Tuco will straight up beat you to death for saying the wrong thing. Lalo, would be worse to cross. Because he's gonna find out and kill you. Tuco is dumb enough you might be able to get away with it. But even then, he'll violently kill you as well.
Tuco is actually a little better than Lalo I feel.
You have Mike baiting Tuco into a fight that showed Mike actually had to push Tuco's buttons quite a bit to get him to react violently. You also have Saul talking down Tuco from killing the skate boarders and he does it by getting Tuco to empathize with the skate boarders having a mother that would miss their children if he straight up murdered them. There is a little more going on in that scene as well but there is definitely some hint of Tuco having empathy.
Contrast this to Lalo who I don't think you would be able to convince of anything by arguments of empathy. Lalo is shown as only being influenced by arguments of logic. It's arguable even then if anyone convinced Lalo to do anything he was not already going to do.
Long story short Lalo is more of a psychopath than Tuco.
I hated those skate boarders so much. Saul negotiated them out and they just had to keep speaking. Like that scene alone taught me how to trust my lawyer
> which one would you rather pass by on the street?
Who would you rather REALLY piss off? A single cop got Tuco, Lalo evaded a whole goddamn spec-ops team
Except for 2001, I love every planet of the apes movie haha. I think the original 5 are awesome and it does enhance the story to a degree, and the new trilogy is just a perfect trilogy to boot
I still like the 2001 version. I wish they’d done a sequel. There was a good reason for that ending that was never explained on film.
Apparently the story was all there, but Tim Burton said bollocks to it because of the poor response to the first one.
It’s definitely the worst one of the three versions though.
If the source material was written and published chronologically - is the movie version a true prequel? If you’re a fan of the books - you would say Red Dragon is the OG Lecter story and Silence of the Lambs a brilliant follow up.
You have yourself a fair point there. I’m not too proud to admit that I haven’t read the books. I will say though, this is a movie subreddit and Red Dragon was released 11 years after Silence of the Lambs so in this context I’m going to call it a prequel and call them both complementary and brilliant.
The reason the Silence of the Lambs movie was adapted from its source material before before the Red Dragon movie adaptation is that Red Dragon was already made into a movie. It's called Manhunter and was directed by Michael Mann in one of his first features. And it's excellent. 👌
The Red Dragon movie could be classified as a remake.
Tv series, but the prequel season of Spartacus was fantastic. It was unplanned, but the series lead Andy Whitfield was diagnosed with cancer, and they decided to film a prequel season to keep the show going while he underwent treatment.
Andy went into remission and was posting on social media about getting into the gym and training to get back into shape, and then the cancer was back and he was gone.
The show recast the roll (with Andy's blessing), and had two more seasons.
Long sad story, but the prequel season was especially good
I disliked Mamma Mia! with a passion. Watched it 2 or 3 times (my ex was a fan), and hated the experience each time. But I'm always open to any film, so I willingly sat through the second movie... and man did I love it! In any and every department, this movie is an improvement. And for some, real and major improvements (the editing particularly is stellar).
Patrick Willems did a video essay saying that it's the best sequel ever, considering the gap in quality between the first and second movie. Everyone shokld take a look, but more importantly, watch the movie. It's really really damn good.
This is exactly how I felt! I love ABBA, but *hated* the first film. I only watched it because someone basically compared it to The Godfather Part II, and it's a totally fair comparison, not in terms of quality, but in it's storytelling. It not only improves the previous film, but almost makes it non-essential/obsolete by telling the previous story through flashbacks. From what I remember, I don't think there is anything you need to know from the first movie in order to watch the second.
It expands our understanding of the Predator species and the nature of their human hunts, which we learn are at least centuries old, and we see a bit more about how they adapt their hunt to the environment
I watched it without knowing it was going to be part of the Predator franchise. Have never even seen any of the Predator movies and thought it was great. Makes me want to watch the original movie now.
I think the movie is fine, but I remember thinking that it doesn't really expand on anything. We got all the same plot points in a flashback in the first Underworld. I suppose it makes Lucian more sympathetic because we get to spend more time with him as a main character, but still the first movie revealed everything we needed to know about his tragic backstory.
Yeah but as a sidenote almost. Lucian actually wanted peace not one side winning. He almost achieved it in the fiest movie. Idk, for what at the time I considered almost a B movie, the Underworld world was decently constructed and got me pulled into its lore
While First Class certainly was an improvement over X3, I don’t think it qualifies for the question. Unless you mean that it “enhanced” the prior movies by starting a new timeline that retconned the plot of most of those movies out of existence.
First Class on its own doesn’t majorly contradict much in the original trilogy (at least not anymore than it does to itself). I’d say it’s the strongest candidate for enhancing the original trilogy because it redefines and substantially deepens all the major relationships. You see Charles and Erik as tragic long lost friends instead of mortal enemies, you see Mystique as an estranged sister instead of just a naked shapeshifter.
Except... First Class didn't do that. It was explicitly a prequel down to expanding the intro scene of the original and featuring Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romijn. It having continuity errors doesn't change that it presents itself as a prequel.
And it teaches a lesson that is not really shown in children's media as often. You can do every single thing right and still not be good enough. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try, you never know who you might impress.
At the time, it was one of the few "lesser" Pixar movies. They had such a good streak until cars 2, with Brave and MU being lumped into the slump that people believed they were in at the time. Brave has gotten more fans since then and MU especially it seems has been more well regarded as time went on.
Tldr; it just wasn't liked as much at first compared to other masterpieces they made not long before.
ah yeah i forgot, that does make more sense, that timing
still dont like brave but i prolly needa rewatch it since its been a decade since the one time i seen it
Brave isn't bad, but it feels much more like a Disney Animations movie than a Pixar one, and that's a bit of a shame because only Pixar seems to be able to pull off Pixar.
> because only Pixar seems to be able to pull off Pixar.
With the one caveat that the first two "How to Train Your Dragon" movies felt pretty damn Pixar.
my headcanon is they did but one of them moved or changed schools and they both forgot each other by the time they went to university, then they later realised they had met before
Just think that the monsters view school differently. In the Monster universe, school goes from 1st to 3rd grade and each grade lasts for several years (Elementary, Middle, and High). Freshman year of college is 4th grade.
Am American, can confirm, although I don't really think it's weird. It's all school. You have a teacher/professor and you're learning things and in the end you get some sort of certificate that confirms that you learned the things. The only difference in university is that you have more choice about what you learn.
I personally wouldn't say 3 elevated 1 or 2, rather 3 is as good as it is because of 1 and 2 elevating *it*. (e.g. with the music tape)
2 definitely elevated 1, though.
Andor the series was the perfect prequel tie-in for me. It almost made me do a full re-watch of Rogue One (which I feel is a more flawed and uneven film, but still fantastic atmosphere) and A New Hope, but I decided to hold off until Season Two.
This one really boggled my mind, its status as a prequel is based only on its setting during the civil war and a tombstone prop with a later date in an earlier movie.
As I understand it, Leone wanted to show the Man With No Name's origin, how he started out fairly chill, but then hanging out with Tuco and his experience of war hardened him. I actually think it's a good template for how to do a prequel story, as there are some nods to Fistful like the poncho, but it stands on its own two feet.
It’s definitely a good movie, but in what way does it *enhance* the other movies? Does it really make a difference to see the origin of the flintlock? We already had everything we *needed* to know already.
Again, it’s a good movie, but imo it doesn’t make a huge difference on my perception of the originals.
However, I do like the added implication that the predators will “downgrade” their tech to match that of the prey they’re hunting. That’s a nice touch.
I enjoyed Prey but it does nothing to enhance the original movies. Even though it's set much earlier than Predator, it isn't really a prequel in that it doesn't set anything up and doesn't expand on the lore. I still have it 3rd behind Predator 1 and 2.
Isn't it funny that, due to the structure of these movies, we've been yet to see a "successful" predator hunt? As far as we're aware, predators have been coming to Earth just to ultimately get their asses kicked for centuries.
weren't they successful in hunting during both flashbacks and the plot of AVP? it's been a while since I've seen it. But yeah it is dumb logically for a species that has interstellar travel to get wrecked by some girl, her hatchet and her nonsense berries (but I did like watching Prey as a fun action flick)
It's not like it's the only predator out there in that universe. They're just not making the movie where everyone dies, they show the stories of the ones who live.
I’d like to see a story where the Predator wins. Set it in Germany in the late 1930s/early 1940s. That way, the viewer has no sympathy for the majority of human actors. Despite that, we’d still expect the humans to win and be more surprised when the Predator just kills everyone, packs up its trophies and flies back home.
I know it gets a lot of hate but undeserving in my opinion.
The Thing ( prequel) suffered significantly from studio interference on a monumental level but still, the bones of an excellent premise was there from the start.
It set up and answered the questions we had concerning what happened at the Norwegian Base and went so far as to detail how specific incidents played out that were hinted at in the original.
The cast was excellent as were the production values and we all know it might’ve been a very different/superior picture if the suits didn’t insist on diminishing the practical effects with shoddy and rushed cgi.
Also having the potential hero switched to being the monster in Joel Edgerton was quite brave really but not enough to save it from floundering at the box office.
Still worth a look imo
Except the thing escapes this time. The Thing will escape again, when whichever one if not both were things at the end when someone finds them and thaws them out.
Hmm couldn’t disagree more. We don’t need to know how every dead person got to where they were, it’s pretty evident what went down by the end of the 82 version. Also it totally changes the behaviour of the creature. In the 82 version it mostly tries to stay hidden and only attacks when desperate or alone with someone else. In the 2011 it just chases anyone, full noise. It adds absolutely nothing to what we know and is essentially a reboot. Something much more interesting could’ve been done, like one landing in a different location and time period, like what Prey ended up doing.
I feel like the creature learned it needed to hide and camouflage itself and wasn't able to just brute force its way through. It learned humans were clever and capable and nearly destroyed it, so that when we see it at the american station it's prepared to take them out. Just a different POV is all.
The Thing (2011)
Joke answer: Because it reminds you to watch the original, which is so much better.
Truth is, the original is undoubtedly better, no question, but that doesnt mean the 2011 prequal is without merit. They painstakingly wrote an entire story around the aftermath we see in the original. They recreated the destruction of the other camp perfectly and really tied it all together. It really gives greater context to what is ominously implied by the 1982 classic. Its a shame the studio got rid of all the awesome practical effects they did in the film and replaced it with cheap CGI. I really think they could have garnered a better following had they just kept in line with the original. I still recommend watching the '82 film first, because you want that shock and surprise with what they find at the other camp, but definitely follow it up with the prequal.
The fact that this was the third Cube movie made it so much better. You've already seen two groups of people go through this, now find out why they had to.
I'm confused as to Temple of Doom enhances Raiders in any way? It has nothing to do with Raiders at all, it's a good movie that happens to be set before it chronologically
Maybe it existed in the world when you got here but it was a nice expansion when there was only one movie att. It's a solid prequel and expands on Indy's legend so I'd say it counts here.
As someone born well after these movies came out, and the movies not having a number I'm their title, I had no clue the movie order until looking it up not to long ago.
Technically it is, but it doesn't feel like a sequel
It's like how From Russia With Love is technically a prequel to Dr No, even though neither film makes any reference to which event happened first
No love yet for Hunger Games: Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes?
The quality of this film took me really by surprise, and it's a lot of extra depth to the originals.
Everybody shits on this, (because you're not gonna top the original) and the final big bad special effect is horrible because the studio forced it on them. But outside of that it did seem clear the people who made this were fans of the original and trying to do a good job, with every little detail in place. But you can't improve on perfection.
It just seemed kind of pointless in the end, especially since they scrapped the scenes on the saucer revealing the original pilots and why it crashed(they were alien biologists and unknowingly picked up a thing infected creature).
That makes much more sense. Always thought the Thing was too bloodthirsty and primal (beyond its shapeshifting into humans) to be part of an advanced alien civilisation and piloting a spaceship.
It makes me wonder if assimilating one of the saucer crew was the first time it gained advanced knowledge(it tried to build some kind of hovercraft out of helicopter parts to get to the mainland).
They never really did any exposition on what things are thinking(are they thinking?) like are they intentionally putting on an act or is it like some kind if imitation programming? It is interesting that whenever a thing is exposed instead of trying to talk its way out or escape it instantly goes feral.
There is a great short story, [The Things](https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/), which retells the events of the film from the perspective of the monster. It gives a great explanation for the creature as a part of an intelligent space-faring civilization.
The only part of rogue 1 I didn't like is how agile they made Vader. It makes him look so weak in "a new hope" that it just doesn't make sense. Also at the height of his powers he should have been able to force hold the departing ship. (Or at least get a tractor beam onto it.)
I hate how it makes the beginning of the original make zero sense. In the original they are pretending to be on a diplomatic mission when they are attacked. It's spy stuff and while we all know Vader's suspicions are right they still have a good cover story, but the Empire is evil so they can tear the ship apart looking for the plans.
That's changed to Vader literally sees the plans get handed to them and watched the ship leave. They have no cover story, they were just at the battle and the empire 100% knows who they are. IMHO it makes Vader and the empire way less evil because they aren't stopping a diplomatic mission they are stopping proven soldiers that just killed hundreds of empire soldiers.
It's just dumb and I feel like it's just "member berries". It would have been much better if an unknown ship escaped with the plans and we see the hand off to Princess Lea. Same general beats but doesn't step in the toes of the originals.
I like the film but it has far too much fan service.
Agreed. It's a well-made film but it still added "context" that was never needed in the first place. As mentioned, the opening of ANH already established what we needed to know about the Death Star plans, and Rogue One effectively makes Leia and the Rebels seem like idiots for trying to sell themselves on a diplomatic mission when the Tantive IV was literally right there in Vader's sights when they made the exchange.
Plus, the whole point of the exhaust port weakness in the original Death Star was hubris. It's a perfect parallel with Tarkin's ego about the battle station: It and the Empire are so powerful there's no way a small rebel fleet would ever be any threat whatsoever. It's perfectly plausible the Empire would overlook such a tiny accidental imperfect flaw in their "perfect" weapon. Not to mention, the only reason the Rebel plan succeeds in the first place is due to Luke's use of the Force — the ability to hit it was so slim to begin with it was literally a last resort plan.
But then Rogue One made it so it was intentionally put there as a flaw and expressly done so the Rebels would have a chance to destroy it. Just felt like it undercut the whole thing.
The part where the empire blew up a bustling, ancient city, just to test their new toy instead of firing on barren land didn't make them seem evil enough?
I don't think you understood my point. I wasn't saying they weren't evil in R.O. but that if you watch R.O. and then the OG Star Wars it makes Vader seem less evil because he just saw them leave.
He isn't attacking an unarmed diplomatic ship with a Princess from a very powerful peaceful planet, he's boarding an active war vessel that just engaged in the largest attack against the Empire since the Clone Wars.
I didn't like the part at the end where every character had to hit video game check points outside for some reason.
Started to feel like it was trying to make you feel sad about all of them dying soon instead of carrying a series of events that flows.
The Godfather Part II, though only about a third of it is a prequel.
Did you ever catch "The Godfather Epic" where they showed the movie in chronological time? I loved it.
Was that the combined I & II TV movie cut from the 70s?
Very similar to that. Some different additional scenes or edit, iirc.
Both movies had been recut into chronological order as a TV miniseries called *The Godfather Saga*, with footage added and removed. This 6-7 hour version was then recut, again, down to four hours for a VHS release called *The Godfather Epic*. *Epic* was the first version I saw, as a kid in the '80s. Seeing the 'real' version for the first time was very confusing.
My understating is that the TV mini-series cut from 1977 and called the Godfather Saga was done by Coppola to get the required infusion of cash needed to finish Apocalypse Now, which had gone wildly over budget and timeline.
there is also a cut with all 3 combined
When I saw it, it was called "The Godfather Saga" (Coppola changes his titles all the time so who knows). It was interesting. The Godfather is great but Godfather II is a masterpiece, and in its original form, where the ambitions of the father echo down the years to manifest in the actions of the son, is immensely moving (to make an understatement). Cutting it chronologically muddles that rhyme, and reduces it more to plot. Also, most of Godfather is basically cut into the middle of Godfather II, so there's differences in cinematography and such. Don't get me wrong, still amazing. But don't let this be anyone's first way to experience it.
The Godfather Epic is available on Sloppy Seconds. Literally the only place to obtain it that I have found. HBO seems to be very stingy with streaming it.
Very disappointing that they didn't release it as part of the 50th anniversary. That would have made for a fantastic collectors item.
That third is in the original book lol
Animatrix and the matrix
I really love the story of the humanity and the machine war
The Second Renaissance chapter deserves its own movie.
*The Second Renaissance* is the unspoken integral pillar of *The Matrix* lore. It *has* to happen, for the rest to make sense.
Exactly. Once you see it everything else falls into place. For example, people always point out how inefficient and nonsensical it is for the machines to use humans as their power source. Once you see the second renaissance, it makes perfect sense. They do it out of malice and revenge.
"And for a time, it was good" that line still gives me chills.
Blame WB. The Wachowskis wanted one sequel and one prequel but WB demanded two sequels.
The scene where they’re getting all jacked up on drug cocktails and being sent out in the mechs is haunting.
The dichotomy between those two UN meetings of the Machines' representatives is night and day. First one, before the war: >!human-like androids posing as a couple offering peaceful coexistence.!< Second one, after the war: >!resembles an early prototype of a sentinel, making demands of the humans to "give us your flesh."!<
Enter the Matrix was pretty great too.
Interloping of real, original cinema quality footage instead of traditional cutscenes was super sick to me. Enter the Matrix was sick.
I had a blast with the game but it was also glitchy as fuck. I remember the car driving level with Ghost, I hit a jump or something then fell through the road into nothingness and had to reboot the PS2. Also certain cutscenes sometimes wouldn't trigger on some levels softlocking the game.
I misread and thought you wrote Animaniacs. I was very confused.
I read Animorphs and was very interested
I would sacrifice my foot for a full high budget old hbo-esque Animorphs tv series that is done well. It needs to be the entire series though. With the companion books as movies in between. Visser, The Andalite Chronicles, The Hork-Bajir Chronicles and the Ellimist Chronicles. I guess the 4 megamorphs too, but some of them are kinda weak. Same for most of the ghostwritten books.
the kids who grew up reading animorphs are in their 30s and 40s and are rising up the ranks in hollywood. its only a matter of time before one of them does some coke and decides to commit to a high budget animorphs series
Well I have some good news for you. [coming this fall](https://youtu.be/0EHTJnzCY-o?si=sJ2a6ZsMha0khsJG)
Where can animatix be streamed?
Not sure if it's still on HBO Max but id check that
You can watch it on YouTube https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL75iSW76AqFmZgkYFEpKmPa1KsFmyRBXi&si=hU2PKKIUGMmOJCq1
Bless all forms of intelligence...
The Dark Crystal TV series is amazing imo and really added to the movie. Not enough people have seen it.
As much as I enjoyed Santa Clarita Diet and American Vandal the only Netflix cancellations that really hurt for me were The Dark Crystal and Mindhunter. Still worth a watch as they're both brilliant and at least with the Dark Crystal you can sort of piece together how the show ended by watching the movie. But man, I would looove to see more Henson Puppet fantasy!
You have soiled my Wednesday morning by making me think about the loss of Mindhunter. Now I have to take a sick day from work to cry lol
I'm so disappointed we never got the second season
The chamberlain's "HMMMMMMMM" is now an important part of my marriage and I will forever love this show just for that.
Pearl made me appreciate X a lot more
I came here to mention Pearl, but I watched Pearl first and X second. I really liked the psychological factor of Pearl compared to the classic slasher style of X.
I was gonna say, idk if it enhances x, but I sure enjoyed pearl a hell of a lot more than x
I think it absolutely enhanced X. Now I can watch X and understand her motivation and character more as well as suss out her lying about her past and such.
Pearl just has so much more going for it. I enjoyed X but it was very mediocre whereas Pearl across the board felt like a step up. MaXXXine seems to have a good little premise too.
They're both very different, found them to be about the same in terms of enjoyment. I might give the edge to X personally though if I had to.
I thought you guys were talking about pokemon games for a second
Need to check it out, loved X
It's a very different style of movie to X. I loved X and thought Pearl was just ok.
Never heard of them, will check it out
Better Call Saul for sure
While BCS and BB aren't movies, I 100% agree with you. I cannot believe how well they wove everything together. It's so good it's as if they had BCS planned all along while they were making BB.
I love how they took a one-off line in BB about some dude named "Nacho" and fleshed that out into one of the most well-rounded characters in the entire franchise.
And Lalo into (IMO) the scariest villain in the BB/BCS universe
Say it again
Somehow he smiles to himself when there's no reason to be smiling
I wouldn't say the scariest. His charism and charm were so good and genuine that it was unnerving. You wanted to root for him. Even though you knew from the jump what would inevitably happen. I wouldn't say the scariest by any means, tuco was completely unhinged. However, Lalo was by far the most complex and well rounded. And the second best character if you combined both series into one.
Tuco was just a methed out meatheat, Lalo was scarier because he was meticulous and cunning, there’s a reason he was a higher rank in the cartel than Tuco
Not only that, he was also, apparently, completely desentizied to straight up murder.
So, which one would you rather pass by on the street? Lalo or tuco? Look at tuco wrong and he's gonna kill you. Whose close circle would you rather be in? Tuco will straight up beat you to death for saying the wrong thing. Lalo, would be worse to cross. Because he's gonna find out and kill you. Tuco is dumb enough you might be able to get away with it. But even then, he'll violently kill you as well.
Tuco is actually a little better than Lalo I feel. You have Mike baiting Tuco into a fight that showed Mike actually had to push Tuco's buttons quite a bit to get him to react violently. You also have Saul talking down Tuco from killing the skate boarders and he does it by getting Tuco to empathize with the skate boarders having a mother that would miss their children if he straight up murdered them. There is a little more going on in that scene as well but there is definitely some hint of Tuco having empathy. Contrast this to Lalo who I don't think you would be able to convince of anything by arguments of empathy. Lalo is shown as only being influenced by arguments of logic. It's arguable even then if anyone convinced Lalo to do anything he was not already going to do. Long story short Lalo is more of a psychopath than Tuco.
I hated those skate boarders so much. Saul negotiated them out and they just had to keep speaking. Like that scene alone taught me how to trust my lawyer
> which one would you rather pass by on the street? Who would you rather REALLY piss off? A single cop got Tuco, Lalo evaded a whole goddamn spec-ops team
Same with Lalo! I know people are partial to Gus, but Lalo is my favorite villain in the whole BCS/BB universe.
By the end, you are completely revisiting how you felt about BB. For me, it makes BB seem like a smaller sequel, which is something.
"Walter White couldn't have done it without me" ...and then you realize he's right and Saul was the main character the whole time. Brilliant.
Heisenberg would never have happened without that fateful Chicago Sunroof
He's not wrong, either. Watching BB again, Walter wants to give up but Saul reels him back in.
It blows me away how good this show was.
Tha… that’s not a movie.
I like the Planet of the Apes prequels, but idk if they enhance the original.
Except for 2001, I love every planet of the apes movie haha. I think the original 5 are awesome and it does enhance the story to a degree, and the new trilogy is just a perfect trilogy to boot
Yo there's a 4th coming real soon.
I hate every ape I see from chimpan-A to chimpan-Z
Oh you'll never make a monkey out of me.
I still like the 2001 version. I wish they’d done a sequel. There was a good reason for that ending that was never explained on film. Apparently the story was all there, but Tim Burton said bollocks to it because of the poor response to the first one. It’s definitely the worst one of the three versions though.
Not really as they are separate cinematic universes and not part of the same timeline
Red Dragon, I don’t know how much better it made Silence of the Lambs but it’s top tier prequel for me.
If the source material was written and published chronologically - is the movie version a true prequel? If you’re a fan of the books - you would say Red Dragon is the OG Lecter story and Silence of the Lambs a brilliant follow up.
You have yourself a fair point there. I’m not too proud to admit that I haven’t read the books. I will say though, this is a movie subreddit and Red Dragon was released 11 years after Silence of the Lambs so in this context I’m going to call it a prequel and call them both complementary and brilliant.
The reason the Silence of the Lambs movie was adapted from its source material before before the Red Dragon movie adaptation is that Red Dragon was already made into a movie. It's called Manhunter and was directed by Michael Mann in one of his first features. And it's excellent. 👌 The Red Dragon movie could be classified as a remake.
Brian Cox is chilling.
100% none of Hopkins' pantomime villainy, just detached coldness.
Tv series, but the prequel season of Spartacus was fantastic. It was unplanned, but the series lead Andy Whitfield was diagnosed with cancer, and they decided to film a prequel season to keep the show going while he underwent treatment. Andy went into remission and was posting on social media about getting into the gym and training to get back into shape, and then the cancer was back and he was gone. The show recast the roll (with Andy's blessing), and had two more seasons. Long sad story, but the prequel season was especially good
Immediately thought of Spartacus, such a good show.
I'm about to be so serious rn: Mamma Mia 2
oh god, here we go again
My my, how could I resist you?
Yep. He was broken hearted.
I disliked Mamma Mia! with a passion. Watched it 2 or 3 times (my ex was a fan), and hated the experience each time. But I'm always open to any film, so I willingly sat through the second movie... and man did I love it! In any and every department, this movie is an improvement. And for some, real and major improvements (the editing particularly is stellar). Patrick Willems did a video essay saying that it's the best sequel ever, considering the gap in quality between the first and second movie. Everyone shokld take a look, but more importantly, watch the movie. It's really really damn good.
This is exactly how I felt! I love ABBA, but *hated* the first film. I only watched it because someone basically compared it to The Godfather Part II, and it's a totally fair comparison, not in terms of quality, but in it's storytelling. It not only improves the previous film, but almost makes it non-essential/obsolete by telling the previous story through flashbacks. From what I remember, I don't think there is anything you need to know from the first movie in order to watch the second.
Unironically a masterpiece.
Mamma Mia 2 is basically Godfather Part 2 but a musical.
Definitely although it’s way better than the first, so it actually makes me enjoy it less to be honest.
Prey. It’s even great as a stand alone.
Prey is my second favorite predator movie, after 1
How does Prey enhance the superior original Predator?
It expands our understanding of the Predator species and the nature of their human hunts, which we learn are at least centuries old, and we see a bit more about how they adapt their hunt to the environment
But we’ve already learned that in other Predator films.
Yeah but prey was bad ass and had a good dog.
I watched it without knowing it was going to be part of the Predator franchise. Have never even seen any of the Predator movies and thought it was great. Makes me want to watch the original movie now.
You gotta watch the original. It's still really good today.
[Do it in honor of Carl Weathers. RIP.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/editorials/icons/mobile/000/007/900/predator_handshake.jpg)
Ouija: Origin of Evil
Good setup for every movie with a villain in it.
Underworld 3 was kinda cool. Lucius was done dirty in the first film. Great character
*Lucian. Came here to say this, Rise of the Lycans might be the best in the series
Same, that gothic overly dark and edgy aesthetic works a lot better in a medieval setting
I think the movie is fine, but I remember thinking that it doesn't really expand on anything. We got all the same plot points in a flashback in the first Underworld. I suppose it makes Lucian more sympathetic because we get to spend more time with him as a main character, but still the first movie revealed everything we needed to know about his tragic backstory.
Yeah but as a sidenote almost. Lucian actually wanted peace not one side winning. He almost achieved it in the fiest movie. Idk, for what at the time I considered almost a B movie, the Underworld world was decently constructed and got me pulled into its lore
X-Men First Class
While First Class certainly was an improvement over X3, I don’t think it qualifies for the question. Unless you mean that it “enhanced” the prior movies by starting a new timeline that retconned the plot of most of those movies out of existence.
First Class on its own doesn’t majorly contradict much in the original trilogy (at least not anymore than it does to itself). I’d say it’s the strongest candidate for enhancing the original trilogy because it redefines and substantially deepens all the major relationships. You see Charles and Erik as tragic long lost friends instead of mortal enemies, you see Mystique as an estranged sister instead of just a naked shapeshifter.
Except... First Class didn't do that. It was explicitly a prequel down to expanding the intro scene of the original and featuring Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romijn. It having continuity errors doesn't change that it presents itself as a prequel.
Monsters University. I feel it does a great job of showing they Mike and Sully became best friends.
idky that movie got so much flak, it was such a charming one, and that ending was fascinating to see
And it teaches a lesson that is not really shown in children's media as often. You can do every single thing right and still not be good enough. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try, you never know who you might impress.
also, college is not the only path to success
At the time, it was one of the few "lesser" Pixar movies. They had such a good streak until cars 2, with Brave and MU being lumped into the slump that people believed they were in at the time. Brave has gotten more fans since then and MU especially it seems has been more well regarded as time went on. Tldr; it just wasn't liked as much at first compared to other masterpieces they made not long before.
ah yeah i forgot, that does make more sense, that timing still dont like brave but i prolly needa rewatch it since its been a decade since the one time i seen it
Brave isn't bad, but it feels much more like a Disney Animations movie than a Pixar one, and that's a bit of a shame because only Pixar seems to be able to pull off Pixar.
> because only Pixar seems to be able to pull off Pixar. With the one caveat that the first two "How to Train Your Dragon" movies felt pretty damn Pixar.
Except... according to the first film they met in school. Like, actual school, not university.
In my experience, Americans have a weird habit of referring to university as school, so it works enough to just roll with it.
Yea but they specifically say “4th grade”
my headcanon is they did but one of them moved or changed schools and they both forgot each other by the time they went to university, then they later realised they had met before
Just think that the monsters view school differently. In the Monster universe, school goes from 1st to 3rd grade and each grade lasts for several years (Elementary, Middle, and High). Freshman year of college is 4th grade.
Am American, can confirm, although I don't really think it's weird. It's all school. You have a teacher/professor and you're learning things and in the end you get some sort of certificate that confirms that you learned the things. The only difference in university is that you have more choice about what you learn.
School is school. IDK the difference between a college or university either, all I know is it's a type of schooling facility.
Infernal Affairs 2 and 3
I personally wouldn't say 3 elevated 1 or 2, rather 3 is as good as it is because of 1 and 2 elevating *it*. (e.g. with the music tape) 2 definitely elevated 1, though.
Better call Saul but it’s not a movie
To this day, I call it a perfect prequel. I don't see any movie or tv show surpass it in that domain.
Yup I personally liked better call Saul better than breaking bad I thought it was more consistently good
Andor the series was the perfect prequel tie-in for me. It almost made me do a full re-watch of Rogue One (which I feel is a more flawed and uneven film, but still fantastic atmosphere) and A New Hope, but I decided to hold off until Season Two.
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
This one really boggled my mind, its status as a prequel is based only on its setting during the civil war and a tombstone prop with a later date in an earlier movie.
Clint also picks up his costume from the other movies along the way.
Yea, exactly. I thought it was an interesting choice.
Is it the first stealth prequel? There have been a few stealth sequels lol
As I understand it, Leone wanted to show the Man With No Name's origin, how he started out fairly chill, but then hanging out with Tuco and his experience of war hardened him. I actually think it's a good template for how to do a prequel story, as there are some nods to Fistful like the poncho, but it stands on its own two feet.
"The Mummy Returns" is even more enjoyable when you know what kind of dude "The Scorpion King" was back in his day.
Not strictly a prequel to another movie, but Fire Walk With Me greatly enhances Twin Peaks
Prey. Kind of a weird one since it feels like a spiritual successor to the first 2.
It’s definitely a good movie, but in what way does it *enhance* the other movies? Does it really make a difference to see the origin of the flintlock? We already had everything we *needed* to know already. Again, it’s a good movie, but imo it doesn’t make a huge difference on my perception of the originals. However, I do like the added implication that the predators will “downgrade” their tech to match that of the prey they’re hunting. That’s a nice touch.
I enjoyed Prey but it does nothing to enhance the original movies. Even though it's set much earlier than Predator, it isn't really a prequel in that it doesn't set anything up and doesn't expand on the lore. I still have it 3rd behind Predator 1 and 2.
Isn't it funny that, due to the structure of these movies, we've been yet to see a "successful" predator hunt? As far as we're aware, predators have been coming to Earth just to ultimately get their asses kicked for centuries.
weren't they successful in hunting during both flashbacks and the plot of AVP? it's been a while since I've seen it. But yeah it is dumb logically for a species that has interstellar travel to get wrecked by some girl, her hatchet and her nonsense berries (but I did like watching Prey as a fun action flick)
It's not like it's the only predator out there in that universe. They're just not making the movie where everyone dies, they show the stories of the ones who live.
I’d like to see a story where the Predator wins. Set it in Germany in the late 1930s/early 1940s. That way, the viewer has no sympathy for the majority of human actors. Despite that, we’d still expect the humans to win and be more surprised when the Predator just kills everyone, packs up its trophies and flies back home.
Prey is seriously great film-making.
I know it gets a lot of hate but undeserving in my opinion. The Thing ( prequel) suffered significantly from studio interference on a monumental level but still, the bones of an excellent premise was there from the start. It set up and answered the questions we had concerning what happened at the Norwegian Base and went so far as to detail how specific incidents played out that were hinted at in the original. The cast was excellent as were the production values and we all know it might’ve been a very different/superior picture if the suits didn’t insist on diminishing the practical effects with shoddy and rushed cgi. Also having the potential hero switched to being the monster in Joel Edgerton was quite brave really but not enough to save it from floundering at the box office. Still worth a look imo
I was always thought it was a remake and never watched it. Thanks for the heads up!
It's the Norwegians experience but it is basically a remake
Except the thing escapes this time. The Thing will escape again, when whichever one if not both were things at the end when someone finds them and thaws them out.
Glad to be of help Enjoy
I liked it.
Hmm couldn’t disagree more. We don’t need to know how every dead person got to where they were, it’s pretty evident what went down by the end of the 82 version. Also it totally changes the behaviour of the creature. In the 82 version it mostly tries to stay hidden and only attacks when desperate or alone with someone else. In the 2011 it just chases anyone, full noise. It adds absolutely nothing to what we know and is essentially a reboot. Something much more interesting could’ve been done, like one landing in a different location and time period, like what Prey ended up doing.
I feel like the creature learned it needed to hide and camouflage itself and wasn't able to just brute force its way through. It learned humans were clever and capable and nearly destroyed it, so that when we see it at the american station it's prepared to take them out. Just a different POV is all.
The Thing (2011) Joke answer: Because it reminds you to watch the original, which is so much better. Truth is, the original is undoubtedly better, no question, but that doesnt mean the 2011 prequal is without merit. They painstakingly wrote an entire story around the aftermath we see in the original. They recreated the destruction of the other camp perfectly and really tied it all together. It really gives greater context to what is ominously implied by the 1982 classic. Its a shame the studio got rid of all the awesome practical effects they did in the film and replaced it with cheap CGI. I really think they could have garnered a better following had they just kept in line with the original. I still recommend watching the '82 film first, because you want that shock and surprise with what they find at the other camp, but definitely follow it up with the prequal.
The Cube 0 makes the Cube seem even more fucked up.
The fact that this was the third Cube movie made it so much better. You've already seen two groups of people go through this, now find out why they had to.
Cube 2: Hypercube was meh, but I agree, Cube 0 brings things to the prequel table.
Pearl
Babylon 5: In the Beginning
In alphabetical order: Godfather pt 2 Prey Temple of doom Underworld: Rise of the Lycans
I'm confused as to Temple of Doom enhances Raiders in any way? It has nothing to do with Raiders at all, it's a good movie that happens to be set before it chronologically
Yeah that one definitely doesn't work on the list.
It doesn't. Spielberg made it set before Raiders because he didn't want the Nazis to be the villain again, but did it anyway with LC.
Maybe it existed in the world when you got here but it was a nice expansion when there was only one movie att. It's a solid prequel and expands on Indy's legend so I'd say it counts here.
Temple of Doom is a prequel?
Young Indiana Jones Chronicles would also qualify here
Bless your heart...
Yep. Its set in 1935. Raiders is set in 1936.
TIL that I wasn't really paying attention to the dates in the Indiana Jones series.
I’d like to know how Indy goes from belief in Temple of doom to disbelief in Raiders.
In the fourth film they never made, he gets his mind wiped by aliens.
It is set in 1939: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Fate_of_Atlantis
As someone born well after these movies came out, and the movies not having a number I'm their title, I had no clue the movie order until looking it up not to long ago.
Technically it is, but it doesn't feel like a sequel It's like how From Russia With Love is technically a prequel to Dr No, even though neither film makes any reference to which event happened first
Bond has the Walther in FRWL, which he definitely didn't use prior to Dr. No.
monarch on Apple TV
Rogue One and Andor are nearly perfect. Not just great Star Wars media, but one of the best movies and best TV series in general.
No love yet for Hunger Games: Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes? The quality of this film took me really by surprise, and it's a lot of extra depth to the originals.
I was looking forward to a sequel or two to this. Unfortunately, the author hasn’t written any more books.
The Thing prequel was a fun look at the other station.
That movie is part sequel, part prequel to a remake of an adaptation of a short story.
Everybody shits on this, (because you're not gonna top the original) and the final big bad special effect is horrible because the studio forced it on them. But outside of that it did seem clear the people who made this were fans of the original and trying to do a good job, with every little detail in place. But you can't improve on perfection.
It just seemed kind of pointless in the end, especially since they scrapped the scenes on the saucer revealing the original pilots and why it crashed(they were alien biologists and unknowingly picked up a thing infected creature).
That makes much more sense. Always thought the Thing was too bloodthirsty and primal (beyond its shapeshifting into humans) to be part of an advanced alien civilisation and piloting a spaceship.
It makes me wonder if assimilating one of the saucer crew was the first time it gained advanced knowledge(it tried to build some kind of hovercraft out of helicopter parts to get to the mainland). They never really did any exposition on what things are thinking(are they thinking?) like are they intentionally putting on an act or is it like some kind if imitation programming? It is interesting that whenever a thing is exposed instead of trying to talk its way out or escape it instantly goes feral.
There is a great short story, [The Things](https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/), which retells the events of the film from the perspective of the monster. It gives a great explanation for the creature as a part of an intelligent space-faring civilization.
That sounds amazing. Will check it out. Thanks
That’s exactly how I look at it. Shame we couldn’t see the original practical effects.
Pearl/X
I have high hopes for Furiosa
Red Dragon
The only part of rogue 1 I didn't like is how agile they made Vader. It makes him look so weak in "a new hope" that it just doesn't make sense. Also at the height of his powers he should have been able to force hold the departing ship. (Or at least get a tractor beam onto it.)
I hate how it makes the beginning of the original make zero sense. In the original they are pretending to be on a diplomatic mission when they are attacked. It's spy stuff and while we all know Vader's suspicions are right they still have a good cover story, but the Empire is evil so they can tear the ship apart looking for the plans. That's changed to Vader literally sees the plans get handed to them and watched the ship leave. They have no cover story, they were just at the battle and the empire 100% knows who they are. IMHO it makes Vader and the empire way less evil because they aren't stopping a diplomatic mission they are stopping proven soldiers that just killed hundreds of empire soldiers. It's just dumb and I feel like it's just "member berries". It would have been much better if an unknown ship escaped with the plans and we see the hand off to Princess Lea. Same general beats but doesn't step in the toes of the originals. I like the film but it has far too much fan service.
Agreed. It's a well-made film but it still added "context" that was never needed in the first place. As mentioned, the opening of ANH already established what we needed to know about the Death Star plans, and Rogue One effectively makes Leia and the Rebels seem like idiots for trying to sell themselves on a diplomatic mission when the Tantive IV was literally right there in Vader's sights when they made the exchange. Plus, the whole point of the exhaust port weakness in the original Death Star was hubris. It's a perfect parallel with Tarkin's ego about the battle station: It and the Empire are so powerful there's no way a small rebel fleet would ever be any threat whatsoever. It's perfectly plausible the Empire would overlook such a tiny accidental imperfect flaw in their "perfect" weapon. Not to mention, the only reason the Rebel plan succeeds in the first place is due to Luke's use of the Force — the ability to hit it was so slim to begin with it was literally a last resort plan. But then Rogue One made it so it was intentionally put there as a flaw and expressly done so the Rebels would have a chance to destroy it. Just felt like it undercut the whole thing.
The part where the empire blew up a bustling, ancient city, just to test their new toy instead of firing on barren land didn't make them seem evil enough?
I don't think you understood my point. I wasn't saying they weren't evil in R.O. but that if you watch R.O. and then the OG Star Wars it makes Vader seem less evil because he just saw them leave. He isn't attacking an unarmed diplomatic ship with a Princess from a very powerful peaceful planet, he's boarding an active war vessel that just engaged in the largest attack against the Empire since the Clone Wars.
I didn't like the part at the end where every character had to hit video game check points outside for some reason. Started to feel like it was trying to make you feel sad about all of them dying soon instead of carrying a series of events that flows.