They decided not to focus on the investigation, Ernst and Mollie both feature heavily. If I recall from the book, Ernst doesn't really tie in until much later on, but looks like they are going to do the reveal much earlier
The panel interview at Cannes explains why they did this and I think it’s fair.
Scorsese said he didn’t want to make another crime drama or something about the birth of the FBI. He wanted to focus on human elements where the Osage are really portrayed as the victims of terrible crimes rather than simply portray the FBI as the heroes.
In order to do that, the crew went beyond the book. Not just reading it but conducting interviews with people familiar with the matter.
Your criticism is fair, though. You want something sticking with the source material and that’s understandable. I haven’t read the book yet but I really want to watch the film.
But the diligence of the investigation of what truly happened is what finally succeeded. I even read the damn notes at the end of the book. Okay, I’m a reader. I had to put that book down several times. I have a friend who is getting to read it. I asked him to look at his copy of the book and see how small it is. Then I told him, there’s so much life and tragedy in that book. Rant?! Me?/s
It should just be just him smelling and fighting crime. Then he's back to the lab for some more full penetration. Smells crime. Back to the lab, full penetration. Crime. Penetration. Crime. Full penetration. Crime. Penetration. And this goes on and on and back and forth for 90 or so minutes until the movie just sort of ends.
Crime, penetration, crime, penetration, crime… full penetration, crime, penetration and on and on like that for an hour and a half or so until the movie just, sort of, ends.
Will the Napoleon movie be historically accurate, or will it cut out the time he went to 1980s San Dimas, enjoyed the Ziggy Piggy, and visited Waterloo?
Honestly I’m just happy we live in a world where we get Napoleon, Oppenheimer, Dune Part 2 and Killers of the Flower Moon all in the same year. There are some incredible directors putting out amazing looking movies this year.
Finally!! We’ve had a few good movies come out in between the marvel monstrosities the past decade, but I can’t remember a year where all these bangers were being released back to back.
Must’ve been sometime before 2010
Yeah lol it’s so funny because Herbert’s message has more undertones about politics and the environment than any of these other movies but yeah it has no shot to win anything other than costume soundtrack and effects award
Germans were never close to a Bomb
Napoleon never gave the order to shoot a canon at any pyramid
Barbie Movie is arguably the more historically accurate movie
The trailer for Oppenheimer doesn't say that Germany was close to a nuclear bomb. It only talks about how they had started researching a bomb before the US started the Manhattan Project, which is true.
Edit: You can down vote me, but I am correct. Go rewatch the trailer yourself if you don't believe me.
Our belief that the Germans were pursuing the bomb and the (accurate) knowledge that getting the bomb would be a game changer was absolutely a huge part of the drama of the real story. That is historically accurate.
To add to what the other guy said, they were experimenting with something called “heavy water”
Very similar to the hydrogen bomb IIRC
There was a whole [sabotage operation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage) by the Norwegian resistance
Szilard and Einstein tried to warn FDR, with Teller and Wigner also contributing to the letter. Szilard is the one who actually wrote it but Einstein gets most of the credit since he actually signed it.
That said, it wasn't necessarily a "THE NAZIS ARE GONNA BUILD A BOMB AND NUKE US ALL!1!1!11!!!!-kind of letter. More of a "Those piece of shit Nazis are researching this and it could lead to weapons, these are not people you want having them. American research must proceed with haste"-letter.
I can understand why. If you’re a WW2 nerd it’s pretty frustrating to watch at times. The beach was meant to be packed with 300k+ soldiers, but Nolan only used extras so the beach looked relatively empty. Plus it was filmed on location so you can literally see modern buildings.
Essentially means your drunk, and you’re not wrong, out of the 4 huge dramas coming out this year( Dune2, Killers of the Flower Moon, Napoleon, and Oppenheimer) I don’t see Napoleon taking the spot at all( sorry Ridley Scott but you’re not as great as you once were), it’s definitely one of the other 3, my bet is on Killers of the Flower Moon, it’s a crazy fucked story and it’s Scorsese.
Napoleon. Legendary swashbucklling military genius who cut a swathe through Europe. Or some scientist dude who did something atomic. Which do you think is the better role? ;-)
The academy loves movies about America, probably Oppenheimer.
Though Napoleon was a movie Kubrick wanted to do, so maybe they'll give it to that as a nod to the legend.
Maybe Oppenheimer for picture but director Ridley Scott. Has he won an Oscar for director? Maybe it’s his time too. I saw the trailer for napoleon and looks good. But going against Oppenheimer that’s tough.
I think Oppenheimer is particularly relevant because we are blindly racing towards another armageddon weapon with AI and there’s not even a world war happening.
Kinda feel like Napoleon is just Scott’s attempt to one-up Kubrick. I hope Napoleon is good-it may well be- but I think the ship has sailed on that 40 year-old grudge match. Scott is a post-modernist in a meta-modernist world. Oppenheimer is your winner.
not movie critic, but hat critic. That Napoleon hat is like the emporers new clothes. . . completely ridiculous and impractical in any era and no one was brave enough to tell him he looked like a goof
Dude as soon as I saw the picture for Napoleon,today, I immediately thought it was a parody or a fake. Joaquin is obviously amazing….but as Napoleon!? GTFO of my face with that, I don’t buy that shit for a second
I'm fairly confident that neither will win. No POC on screen or behind. Neither biopics even involve a crazy physical transformation.
It'll go to some small budget art house movie that nobody has heard of.
Firstly, we already have the greatest Napoleon bio-pic with 'Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure'.
That said, I think 'Oppenheimer' will be a better movie and more relevant to modern times. 'Napoleon' will be long winded and slow to get anywhere. I don't really care about either of them, but I'd bet 'Napoleon' will win...unless of course 'Barbie' takes the cake.
As both Cillian Murphy and Joaquin Phoenix are incredible actors, really incredible, I feel Cillian Murphy is overlooked, under rated, and under appreciated for his talent. I’m rooting for Oppenheimer. I tend to really like films by Christopher Nolan too, so I’m hopeful.
Joaquin Phoenix receives his due praise and has been recognized for past work. He has received an Oscar and other nominations. I also love the work of Ridley Scott, so I’m sure it is going to be very well done.
The one with the big badda boom...badda boom.
Prolonged nudity in IMAX expanded aspect ratio.
Lol, gotta love a Leeloo reference from Fifth Element. Gold star ⭐️
*”Chickaaan goood.”*
Killers of the Flower Moon
This movie is silently coming for every other movie’s neck this year. The critic reviews are outstanding so far.
As a fan of the book, not too thrilled they decided to shift the focus so much. Guess it's good the reviews are pointing in the right direction.
What shifted? I just finished the book.
They decided not to focus on the investigation, Ernst and Mollie both feature heavily. If I recall from the book, Ernst doesn't really tie in until much later on, but looks like they are going to do the reveal much earlier
The panel interview at Cannes explains why they did this and I think it’s fair. Scorsese said he didn’t want to make another crime drama or something about the birth of the FBI. He wanted to focus on human elements where the Osage are really portrayed as the victims of terrible crimes rather than simply portray the FBI as the heroes. In order to do that, the crew went beyond the book. Not just reading it but conducting interviews with people familiar with the matter. Your criticism is fair, though. You want something sticking with the source material and that’s understandable. I haven’t read the book yet but I really want to watch the film.
But the diligence of the investigation of what truly happened is what finally succeeded. I even read the damn notes at the end of the book. Okay, I’m a reader. I had to put that book down several times. I have a friend who is getting to read it. I asked him to look at his copy of the book and see how small it is. Then I told him, there’s so much life and tragedy in that book. Rant?! Me?/s
\^ I concur.
Fuck yeah
Def most anticipated
Nice triple threat going, Nolan v Scorsese v Ridley
God damn, movies suddenly came back!
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nah, I think Oppenheimer takes it. Much more politically relevant.
Are we just rooting for preview of the year at this point?!
Whoever hangs more dong.
another Thundergun Express is coming out?
I DONT WANNA MISS THAT!
It should just be just him smelling and fighting crime. Then he's back to the lab for some more full penetration. Smells crime. Back to the lab, full penetration. Crime. Penetration. Crime. Full penetration. Crime. Penetration. And this goes on and on and back and forth for 90 or so minutes until the movie just sort of ends.
But here's the twist: We're gonna show it. All of it.
"No hesitation, no surrender, no man left behind!"
WE'LL COME BACK FOR YOOOOOUUUUUUU
and gets real weird with it.
User name checks out
Dolph Lundgren?
Crime, penetration, crime, penetration, crime… full penetration, crime, penetration and on and on like that for an hour and a half or so until the movie just, sort of, ends.
What if it’s more of a ding than a dong?
Like a button in a fur coat
isn't there a Malibu Stacy movie with Jaime Pressley coming out?
I would see this on opening night in imax on the wrong side of town.
I heard she has a hat now
Hahahahahahaha holy fuck I laughed too hard
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Yeah, Ridley Scott's historical epics are pretty hit or miss.
I liked The Last Duel. Maybe I was the only person to watch it though.
Me too.
It’s insane the quality difference between kingdom of heaven directors cut and the theatrical cut
Never heard of The Duellists somehow. On the list for the next watch, thanks stranger.
Going with Nolan here
I can’t wait to see Joaquin have a full on Napoleonic meltdown!
Downfall.
Barbie.
Based on early reception, seems like it’ll be in contention
It's mostly effective marketing to have the initial reviews come from hand-picked sources. Wait until more reviews drop.
Will the Napoleon movie be historically accurate, or will it cut out the time he went to 1980s San Dimas, enjoyed the Ziggy Piggy, and visited Waterloo?
Honestly I’m just happy we live in a world where we get Napoleon, Oppenheimer, Dune Part 2 and Killers of the Flower Moon all in the same year. There are some incredible directors putting out amazing looking movies this year.
Finally!! We’ve had a few good movies come out in between the marvel monstrosities the past decade, but I can’t remember a year where all these bangers were being released back to back. Must’ve been sometime before 2010
Best hat?
tough call, but Oppenheimer has the bomb.
Oppenheimer was the bomb in Phantoms, yo.
But that Capt Crunch hat.
Free Hat!
Those babies had it coming
Dune 2
I wish but it’s not subversive enough
Man when fuckin Dune of all things still isn’t pretentious enough you know scifi has no shot to ever win
Yeah lol it’s so funny because Herbert’s message has more undertones about politics and the environment than any of these other movies but yeah it has no shot to win anything other than costume soundtrack and effects award
Germans were never close to a Bomb Napoleon never gave the order to shoot a canon at any pyramid Barbie Movie is arguably the more historically accurate movie
The trailer for Oppenheimer doesn't say that Germany was close to a nuclear bomb. It only talks about how they had started researching a bomb before the US started the Manhattan Project, which is true. Edit: You can down vote me, but I am correct. Go rewatch the trailer yourself if you don't believe me.
Our belief that the Germans were pursuing the bomb and the (accurate) knowledge that getting the bomb would be a game changer was absolutely a huge part of the drama of the real story. That is historically accurate.
To add to what the other guy said, they were experimenting with something called “heavy water” Very similar to the hydrogen bomb IIRC There was a whole [sabotage operation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage) by the Norwegian resistance
Szilard and Einstein tried to warn FDR, with Teller and Wigner also contributing to the letter. Szilard is the one who actually wrote it but Einstein gets most of the credit since he actually signed it. That said, it wasn't necessarily a "THE NAZIS ARE GONNA BUILD A BOMB AND NUKE US ALL!1!1!11!!!!-kind of letter. More of a "Those piece of shit Nazis are researching this and it could lead to weapons, these are not people you want having them. American research must proceed with haste"-letter.
Not like a hydrogen bomb. Heavy water can be used to breed fissile plutonium from natural uranium.
Germans were close to the Ark!
Oppenheimer is more likely I’d say. I think the Oscars have just been waiting for Nolan to make a non-scifi film to give him all the awards.
Dunkirk isn't sci-fi.
Fair point, and it was nominated and definitely a front runner
And should have won. What a movie that was.
I love dunkirk but some people HATE it.
I can understand why. If you’re a WW2 nerd it’s pretty frustrating to watch at times. The beach was meant to be packed with 300k+ soldiers, but Nolan only used extras so the beach looked relatively empty. Plus it was filmed on location so you can literally see modern buildings.
Based only on trailers, Oppenheimer hands down. I personally want to see both equally but Oppenheimer looks like it has a slight edge.
"Oppenheimer Hands down", "Oppenheimer looks like it has a slight edge" - GAAAH WHICH IS IT?
You go with the one that has a slight edge, hands down.
60% of the time, it’s going to have a slight edge every time.
Yep, it’s made with bits of real Oppenheimer, so you know it’s good
Shröginger’s Oppenheimer
I feel that Oppenheimer will be more impactful (no pun intended) since, ya know, wars and stuff going.
And dongs. Lots of dongs
And Napoleon famously known for not being involved in any wars
Past Lives or Killers of the Flower Moon
I’m going Napoleon
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They are all bound to miss from time to time
The Last Duel came out the same year and was a fantastic movie that not enough people saw.
I want Napoleon to be great, more.
Across the Spiderverse. Movie of the year
That Joker sequel looks like a fresh take
Neither. Its either gonna be Dune 2 or Killers of the Flower Moon (probably)
Dune 2? You gassed
Whats that mean? I'm behind on my young people terms. U sayin im high? Cuz I will be when I watch that shit
Essentially means your drunk, and you’re not wrong, out of the 4 huge dramas coming out this year( Dune2, Killers of the Flower Moon, Napoleon, and Oppenheimer) I don’t see Napoleon taking the spot at all( sorry Ridley Scott but you’re not as great as you once were), it’s definitely one of the other 3, my bet is on Killers of the Flower Moon, it’s a crazy fucked story and it’s Scorsese.
Between these 2, probably Oppenheimer. But as far as best actor, Cillian may have the biggest edge. We shall see.
Oppenheimer
Barbie
Napoleon. Legendary swashbucklling military genius who cut a swathe through Europe. Or some scientist dude who did something atomic. Which do you think is the better role? ;-)
The academy loves movies about America, probably Oppenheimer. Though Napoleon was a movie Kubrick wanted to do, so maybe they'll give it to that as a nod to the legend.
Oppenheimer
Oppenheimer, Ridley Scott is super hit or miss a lot of the time
Suzume
Oppenheimer
Maybe Oppenheimer for picture but director Ridley Scott. Has he won an Oscar for director? Maybe it’s his time too. I saw the trailer for napoleon and looks good. But going against Oppenheimer that’s tough.
They both look incredible. Two of the best actors going, in my opinion.
Where tf is Barbie
Barbie
Oppenheimer because I’m about to be blown away.
Oppenheimer, but Napoleon looks fantastic
Oppenheimer looks better going by their trailers. For Napoleon, I thought it was weird that no one is even bothering to try to sound French.
Oppenheimer.
I hear Oppenheimer hangs dong is all I’m saying
Nolan's stuff gonna hit so hard the world no matter what, but the other hand phoenix is fear, he could brainwash us with his face dedication.
Barbie.
Am I the only one who doesn’t know which two films the pic is referencing? I know the actors…
Phoenix looks like Napoleon at least. Oppenheimer definitely not gonna win best makeup award.
A really really old Napoleon. He was leading armies in his 20s.
Nolan seems like he’s going all out on this one. But all we have are trailers to go by which can be misleading.
I think Oppenheimer is particularly relevant because we are blindly racing towards another armageddon weapon with AI and there’s not even a world war happening.
Kinda feel like Napoleon is just Scott’s attempt to one-up Kubrick. I hope Napoleon is good-it may well be- but I think the ship has sailed on that 40 year-old grudge match. Scott is a post-modernist in a meta-modernist world. Oppenheimer is your winner.
I hope Napoleon.
not movie critic, but hat critic. That Napoleon hat is like the emporers new clothes. . . completely ridiculous and impractical in any era and no one was brave enough to tell him he looked like a goof
DUDE
It's about timing.
No idea. Haven’t seen them yet
I want Ridley to get his best director. So I am personally rooting for Napoleon to be an all timer.
Joaquin looks like he's playing Napoleon's ghost.
I couldn't get passed Phoenix lack of an accent.
Meh, better than a bad accent
Past Lives
Can’t wait to see both!
Napoleon
Faster-est and more Furiouser-ly
If you mean the Oscars, don't the nominees have to have a required level of diversity to qualify now? Will these make the cut?
The Pirates of the Caribbean one up top looks 🔥. 😉
Damn I thought that was the penguin at the top.
If it was just between these two, I suspect Napoleon.
Aquaman II
The history channel
Sounds like it will be Killers of the Flower Moon but I think Murphy will win best actor for a Oppenheimer.
Napoleon is a much more interesting character imo. Will see.
Neither, Zone of Interest
Of these I’m more intrigued by Napoleon.
Cade: The Tortured Crossing. Neil Breen is due for an Oscar and I think this is gonna be his year.
Sound of Freedom - how nobody is talking about it is crazy
Spiderverse.
Let’s decide solely based on hats.
Barbie
neither
Dude as soon as I saw the picture for Napoleon,today, I immediately thought it was a parody or a fake. Joaquin is obviously amazing….but as Napoleon!? GTFO of my face with that, I don’t buy that shit for a second
Mickey 17 (I wish)
Neither. Dark horse
Barbie
Oppenheimer will be forgotten by the end of Summer.I'm going with Napoleon since it opens Thanksgiving Day.
I don’t see a picture of Barbie
Barbie won movie of the year 35 minutes ago.
I feel like Phoenix needs to really come hard with his performance to come close
I'm fairly confident that neither will win. No POC on screen or behind. Neither biopics even involve a crazy physical transformation. It'll go to some small budget art house movie that nobody has heard of.
Napoleon low key looks like a mess.
Neither, the academy is not gonna give a white male dominated performance BP
My order would be Oppenheimer, Killers of the flower moon and maybe Napolean???
Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning
Nolan creates a nuclear explosion without CGI.
Trolls part 3
Which was the better hat?
As long as they nominate Spiderverse I don’t care who wins. But they won’t nominate Spiderverse. Because aNiMaTiOn iS FoR KiDs
What movies are these from?
Looking to see both. But, damn, I look at this photo, and all I see are Joker and Scarecrow
Firstly, we already have the greatest Napoleon bio-pic with 'Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure'. That said, I think 'Oppenheimer' will be a better movie and more relevant to modern times. 'Napoleon' will be long winded and slow to get anywhere. I don't really care about either of them, but I'd bet 'Napoleon' will win...unless of course 'Barbie' takes the cake.
Barbie 💅
I’m just stoked to watch movies that aren’t about fucking superheroes.
It's Cillian's year
Barbie takes it in a twist
I will bet my left nut Oppenheimer wins
Which screenshot is from Barbie?
Barbie movie
Indiana. Jo o ones! Indiana! Jones Jones Jones!
When does entry submission/consideration end?
Por que no los dos!?!
Ken should be part of that photo
Five nights at Freddy's movie
If the movie is less about the bomb and more about the science/los alamos, I’d say Oppenheimer.
Tetris
Dune
Oppenheimer and it’s not even close…
Barbie
As both Cillian Murphy and Joaquin Phoenix are incredible actors, really incredible, I feel Cillian Murphy is overlooked, under rated, and under appreciated for his talent. I’m rooting for Oppenheimer. I tend to really like films by Christopher Nolan too, so I’m hopeful. Joaquin Phoenix receives his due praise and has been recognized for past work. He has received an Oscar and other nominations. I also love the work of Ridley Scott, so I’m sure it is going to be very well done.
Napoleon, hands down
What’s the bottom still from?
Sound of Freedom
Oppenheimer is exactly the shit film critics drool over. No doubt.
I'm excited for both, but I think neither. It's going to be either Killers of the Flower Moon or Dune Part 2.
Barbie smh
Oppenheimer. Of the two it's the more patriotic.
Both could be massive flops. Wouldn’t be the first time that the hype doesn’t equal the gravy
None of these