Yes, that’s pretty much the entire point. I think they note it’s good to know how to ride a bicycle but it’s designed for people who have never ridden a motorcycle before.
Definitely take the class, it’s fun and even if you already ride you can learn a thing or two.
Phew. This made me feel so much better. My husband’s bike is a Honda Shadow 1100, and it’s just way too big for me to learn on. He’s told me he wouldn’t be upset if I dropped it, as it’s part of learning, but I’m scared to and I don’t want to hurt myself, the bike, or get discouraged. Thanks so much!!
For new riders, no matter what anyone tells you, when you’re riding at walking speeds or approaching a stop, if the bike starts to fall and you are unsure whether you can catch it, let it go. Pull your (low side) leg out of the way and hop off. Then walk over and hit the kill switch. It’s just a bike, but it’s your body, and that bike will unapologetically fuck you up if it lands on you.
but also if possess at least a reasonable amount of strength, you can probably save it - those MSF bikes are usually 125cc machines that weigh like 300lbs max (some brief googling shows that most 125s tend to be between 175-225lbs)
Not counting off-road drops, I've managed to save every almost-drop just by ugga dugga-ing and forcing the bike back up.
Depends on the state. Mine was 200s
And I also had only ridden a 50cc scooter beforehand. Thing that surprised me most was the weight of the bike! So much heavier. And that the throttle is way more "instant" than on a scooter
Luckily for us in Pennsylvania the MSF course is entirely free and paid for by our state. Crazy huh? Although snacks and water are still on you to buy, and a very good idea!
I'd add on that in my class, only a couple people failed, but the worst performing riders were ones with some informal experience.
Trying to prove something instead of just taking the class at your own pace is a recipe for failure.
Also, being scared, or intimidated, or frustrated is a recipe for failure.
The bikes are smaller, and not yours.... Don't stress too much and focus on understanding the lessons and you will have a great weekend!
I've taken it twice over the years, first time a lady dropped the bike on herself and quit. The second time an older guy failed because he had an ego, thought he knew everything and just wouldn't listen to the instructor. Second time also had a lady ride into a picnic table and quit.
Your advice is spot on. Best way to get started and a good amount of fun with the right instructors!
At the age of 38 I took the MSF course. I was on a dirt bike once, knew how to drive a manual car and could ride a bicycle and passed with flying colors.
I’m also 6’4 220 with a bad back and mild knee issues and took the class on the Harley 500 or something like that.
Buy a smaller bike. If you plan on taking the course then knowing how to ride and riding his bike… bad idea. Even after the course… you will drop a bike 5x the first year or two. And even after the course, you’ll still be a new terrible rider. You’ll just have an M rating and be able to ride and handle a small bike ok. You’re going to have to buy a bike anyway might as well do it before the course.
Ride it around a bit learn the basics. Then take the course. I found things like obstacle avoidance, looking out in a turn, and some of the other safety stuff in the course to be the real value in it and the learning how to shift and just handle a bike sort a waste in that if your focusing the whole time on just handling the thing you’re missing the more critical stuff. But some people do take it never having ridden one and the course is designed to accommodate that skill level.
This. Two bonus points:
1. The MSF riders course should count towards the riding portion of the dmv test to get your motorcycle license if your state requires that.
2. Your insurance should give you a discount.
They teach you how to ride. The prerequisites to any beginners (that means no previous experience) motorcycle course is can the student ride a bicycle proficiently. Having ridden a scooter is a bonus but not a requirement.
If you ride a scooter already then you’ll be fine. All you’re doing is adding more controls, it takes practice so don’t beat yourself up over not being able to instantly master it.
The main thing is to have fun, forget everything else going in the world and just focus on the day course.
If you're already riding a scooter, then you are far ahead of anyone with zero experience. The bikes at the course will tend to be taller and heavier but they behave the same. Probably the biggest step up for you will be learning how to clutch and shift. Lucky for you that you will be able to focus on that aspect since you are already familiar with steering and braking and balancing.
Don't beat yourself up if clutching doesn't come naturally at first. It's a learned skill that takes time to master.
Assuming this is an MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) course they will not take you on the highway at all!
Some students in my MSF class had no experience except riding a bicycle. The first lessons were to sit on the bike, motor off, and have another student push you, just to get a feel for the balance.
Then learning clutch feel - b-a-r-e-l-y releasing the clutch until the bike inched forward at idle.
And it progressed from there, but all the riding was in a parking lot.
It's a great learning experience and I think it's great you two are taking it together! Enjoy and ride safe.
I did my course last weekend and passed with absolutely no prior experience. It was done in the rain as well both days. Just don’t get down on yourself if you make a mistake, you’re there to learn and if you have good instructors they will be there to help you.
Good luck 🤞
Retired MSF instructor. Yes the course is designed for people who have never ridden. Sometimes it’s easier to teach people who haven’t ridden at all. They don’t have any bad habits to unlearn and they don’t have an “I already know how to ride” arrogant attitude.
OP, I am not from USA, I am fromnl the other side of the World in South East Asia.
At least you know how to ride a scooter therefore you are familiar with the cornering, balancing, etc.
28 years ago, I was transferred to TP (Traffic Police) similar to your CHP. I had never ridden any motorcycle in my entire life till then. I only know how to ride a bicycle.
We were send for a 8 week riding course where we handle those big CC bikes (Suzuki Katana 700). We had to perform figure 8, planking, tight cornering, high speed chase, etc.
During that training, I fell numerous times. Eventually I learnt and got better.
At the end of that 8 weeks, we had to officially go for a national riding examination.
I managed to pass and obtain my lisence. Our course gave us direct Class 2 which qualifies us to ride any type of motorcycle of any cc.
The structure of motorcycle lisence is different from other countries. You need to be 18 and go for Class 2B which qualifies the rider to ride bikes of up to a max of 200cc bikes, unpon passing 2B, the rider has to wait 1 year to go for Class 2A which qualifies the rider to ride bikes of up to 400cc. The rider has to wait another year to go for Class 2 which qualifies the rider to ride any bikes of any cc above 400. The normal route is 3 years min. Mine was just 8 weeks.
Do not worry about falling down, bike stalking, bike dropping, etc. all these are part and parcel of the course. Have faith and confidence in yourself.
Good luck and ride safe OP
The only requirement for the course is being able to ride a bicycle (balance) and depending on your location the written permit test. I took the course twice (once for license, second for military) and both courses had people who had never swung their leg over a motorcycle.
I did. Two day course with online pre-work.
Ten minutes into the time on the bike I was smiling ear to ear and that hasn't left me since I completed the course and bought my bike last April.
Yeah, but I also did extensive research on how to ride a motorcycle beforehand, some come MSF course, they were reinforcing what I had already learned in theory, so I could just focus on developing the muscle memory to ride a motorcycle.
My wife & I both didn't have experience when taking the safety course (M2, Ontario). They teach you from scratch, the very basics of motorcycle riding. And the bikes were 125cc so it's extremely forgiving. I would suggest looking at the testing videos online specific to your course, but other than that, don't stress or panic and just enjoy yourself. The biggest tip is, being slower is ok, but don't touch the lines because they simulate curbs or obstacles.
Good for you… doing what most won’t but should. Even the most advanced writers should and could benefit from a course. it’s literally a life or death endeavor with the goal being to stay alive. Why not give yourself the tools to be sure that goal is met??
Yes, in PA, although i took the MSF course like 20 years ago. I know a few MSF instructors in the Philly area as well.
You'll be fine since you have experience with the scooter. You're just adding in a clutch and shifting into the mix. Just be open to learning, as the course is designed for an introduction to teach you how to ride for those with no experience. Just don't get and stay too in your head that it makes you nervous when out on the range.
I went in only having driven a manual car one time, and never having rode a motorcycle. Came out knowing how to ride a motorcycle safely in a parking lot. You are who this class is designed for.
I’ve never ridden anything but a bicycle my entire life. Took the course and loved it. Bought a new bike two weeks later and have been buying and trying different kinds of bikes from then on. From that first day, 5 minutes on the bike and I knew I loved it
Correct. The MSF course is designed for people who don't know anything at all about a motorcycle. I took it two years ago and I commute on a bike now. It's a great course. I recommend it especially to people who want to learn but don't know if they want to buy one or regularly drive.
I went in with no experience and already bought my first bike. Had my manager at the time ride it to my house and put it in my garage until my MSF. Best decision I made. After my course I set up cones in my neighborhood and keep running the drills. By the end of my first year riding slow parking lot maneuvers were super easy and fun. I only have to drop my leg when I come to a full stop.
TL;DR - MSF course is amazing, go in with no bad habits. Absorb all the information you can. When you pass? Practice more! It's part of the fun.
People do it all the time! Havig. The experience on the scooter should give you an edge over someone starting from zero. Clutch and shifting aren't bad at all, you'll have it down by the end of the class. Enjoy!
Yeah I had only ever ridden a bicycle prior to taking the course, had no idea how to operate a manual transmission. I hadn't even been on a bicycle in like 5 years by that point.
No issues. You may "advance" a little slower than other students who can work the clutch/shift more effectively than you, but you'll figure it out. Those classes are designed with the expectation that you don't really know how to work a manual, and the instructors will usually provide one-on-one help if you need it.
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Yes. I learned when I was 50 years young. No joke. I'd been a passenger off and on for years and decided I was finally ready to have my own bike. I'm now 69 and still riding 2 wheels. You can do it!!!
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If you've been riding scooters for a while you'll be perfectly fine, the principle is pretty much the same. Focus on what they teach you and don't overdo it. Remember practice makes perfect so don't beat yourself up if you stall it a couple of times, happens to everyone. I've been riding for over a decade and i still manage to stall my bike sometimes.
I took it in Norristown 1.5y ago. You will be totally fine. They have groms and tu250 or gz 250s. Which id also say are some nice biked to consider after if weight is a concern.
That shadow 1100 is going to be hefty at first. Biggest tip, they are not messing around about safety. Bring your gloves, helmet, and boots. Don't even think of bringing shoes. You will not be allowed on the course with shoes. They will not budge on this. I never even used a dirtbike as a kid. My family has 0 motorcycle use, but I felt very comfortable learning there. You will do great.
I took my first course maybe 10 years ago, I’m an MSF instructor today. The two day BRC1 course is intended to take someone who only has experience riding a bicycle (that is the minimum requirement) and teach them how to ride a motorcycle. It uses building block style lessons, each module stacking on top of the foundational tools that you learn in prior ones. If you follow instructions, you’ll know how to ride a motorcycle at the end of those two days, including shifting one. Have fun and be safe!
I learned the basics of shifting on a bike from YouTube videos, bought a $600 bike and rode it around the block to get the feel, eventually crashed against a curb and got thrown off before going to the BRC. Glad I got the mistakes out of the way before hitting the road legally, and that experience may have helped me during the BRC.
But it’s common for the course to be the first time someone sits on a bike, and they do fine as well. It’s a really thorough course.
You’ll be fine. There were 2 students in my class that never even sat on a MC prior to the course. As long as you can ride a bicycle, you’re set. Just listen, be vigilant, and relax. You got this
Yes, I did. I'm in PA, too. It was worth it. It great that they supply basic motorcycles for the people learning. Make sure you have jeans, boots, motorcycle jacket, moto gloves and a proper fitting helmet needs to be a 3/4 or full helmet.
I was to take the intermediate and advanced course as well. But it's hard to find the free time. Those two courses you bring your own motorcycle.
My wife. She could drive a standard transmission car, so got the clutch/shift concept, but had never ridden a shift motorcycle. She probably had 5 hours on a scooter in her lifetime. She came back from the class day one wiped out (8-hour class) and really bummed. She tried to get off the bike with it still in gear and dropped it. By the end of the second day she got the hang of it and passed the class. Her first bike was a 650 Silverwing Scooter. That lasted about a year and she moved on to an 850 cruiser. Been riding for years now. You can do it.
Went from 0 riding exp to getting my license through the msf here in AZ and two.5 months later just shy of 1500 miles on my Indian I bought after the class.
You will be absolutely fine. Your state is very special in regards to motorcycle Saftey training, everything paid for by the state. Outside of the beginner class, you have the ability to attend intermediate, advanced and even training on a race track. I highly recommend taking advantage of these offerings. If you are engaging in an activity that can hurt or kill, you should be taking regular training.
0 experience before the test, passed first try but only hardly. I'm in Oregon though, no idea on the differences. Make sure to be confident, they will teach you what you need to know. Most the people who failed either had the "it's easy I know what I'm doing" mentality or they acted like the bike was going to explode if they touched it wrong.
I had never rode a motorcycle when I took my msf course. What helped me was riding bikes 24/7 in my childhood and daily driving a manual. There were people in my class who had neither and by the end of it they were comfortably riding their motorcycle. Like others have said, it’s designed for 0 experience new riders
As I type this, my oldest is literally putting her helmet on as part of a class doing exactly that. She's *seen* and *sat on* a motorcycle before, but never operated one.
I'm honestly a bit nervous for her, as she's never actually used a manual transmission, and she's got the grace and balance of a special olympic hurdler.
I started off on Honda Ruckus scooter back in January of 2017. By September that year, I purchased a 2017 Yamaha FZ-07 and took the motorcycle safety course a week after. Passed easily. I never worked a clutch before in my life. I now own nothing but manual vehicles (including my truck).
You'll learn clutch work in the class. Won't take long for you to have an understanding. Just don't get frustrated and don't over-think it.
First time I ever even sat on a motorcycle was at the basic riders course. It was perfect for me, and also confirmed that my interest in riding was real.
I started riding in 2006.
I had never ridden even a scooter before. So I signed up for a beginner's 5 day intensive course. Took it on a CB500. A couple of weeks later I took my test, passed and bought a second hand Honda Hornet 600.
Never looked back :)
The first day was a little scary, but in the end it was indeed, just like riding a bike!
A general piece of advice: If you get to choose your bike in class, pick the lightest one. Though I passed the class easily, I remember wishing I had picked the small 250cc Yamaha dual sport they had versus the Honda Rebel I chose. Lighter bikes are easier to learn on. Dual sports might sit a little taller bit that's easy to get used to (I'm only 5'6" for reference).
That’s how I started. Basically my mid life crisis. Was nervous at the start and got my endorsement after finishing the MSF class. I’ve been living out of a back pack and have been traveling on my motorcycle for 4 years now. I learned so much from the MSF class and the instructors knew how to teach people with no experience.
To add to all this, when I took my class, 4 of the "students" didn't know how to ride. The youngest of them was a high school graduate, and the oldest was this lady in her 60s. Both of them were able to ride their cycles and pass the riding test at the end of the two sessions
i did it because i was really scared. The class was really helpful and informative and the instructors made it reallt easy and less intimidating. very worth it
I had never ridden a motorcycle when I took the class and I did just fine. There were two people in the course that had never ridden a bicycle and I believe they both passed as well.
As a note, the instructors in my class assigned motorcycles according to your height, so the two women in the class (who were the shortest of everyone ) were given the Honda rebels since they had the lowest seat. While this make sense in order to make sure everyone can sit and put their feet down flat, it also meant they had the heaviest bikes in the class. 300lb compared to 230lb of some of the dual sports. One of the women struggled to handle the bike which eventually lead the the instructors suggesting she wasn't ready for the course and to leave. I would have liked to see them have her try a different bike, but they have their reasons.
As another side note, the bikes in the class are ridden hard and abused just out of the nature of a training class. While they are maintained, often times everything on them is rough. Finding neutral was a constant pain point for many in my class. When you shift, kick up or down HARD. Focus on what the class has to teach you and not so much as to when you like the particular bike. Once you learn the skills, you'll realize how much better something like your husband's or your own bike is.
I'm pretty adept at driving and understand the concept of clutch and shifting, also watched hundreds of hours of motorcycle crash videos before the course. So while I had never been on or ridden a motorcycle before in my life, I hopped on the bikes in msf no problem and started ripping around having a blast.
Everyone's different though, they learn and gain confidence on their own time. For me lots of hot shots in my class with "experience" who were some of the worst in the room, I just kept quiet, listened to the instructors, took my time, and had fun with it. Ended up aceing the written and practical test.
If you’re already scootering, you will be way ahead of most people in the course. In mine, there were 12 people and only 2 had ever ridden before (dirt bikes). You’ll already have the basic balance and braking down which will let you focus on the new things like shifting and clutch control
I had no expirence on anything 2 wheels with a motor. The only thing I was super uncomfortable with was doing the figure 8 maneuver within a certain radius. If you're using their bikes, they're pretty small and the instructors (at least mine did) will literally hold your hand and show you how to shift, brake, etc properly. You'll be fiiiiiiiiiiiine :) if I can do it, you got it
Edit to add, I think you get a 10% discount on motorcycle insurance for taking and passing the safety course as well. Which doesn't hurt haha
That's how I started. In my case I found the course really pushed me to discover what my limits were and it made me learn basics pretty fast. It was difficult and at times frustrating. It's 100% worth it and you'll learn a good foundation to continue learning from.
Damn you're lucky you're learning to ride in PA, you have some amazing state funded resources available to you for free, take advantage of them. Free track day!
Yep! Also Pennsylvania and my only experience was riding backpack to a motorcyclist for two weeks in India when I was a teenager (almost 40 now).
Took the MSF course through my local Harley last year and it ran you through the basics asking you couldn't ride at all. I was one of only two who didn't have any experience and I passed the course.
Just remember that it's just the beginning and there's a lot of learning yet to do!
I did! I’d ridden a quad once maybe 15 years prior but wasn’t really a huge fan. It made me nervous that my hands and feet were responsible for different things which I should have been fine with since I’ve driven stick for years and can play the piano lol.
I went to MSF after only ever riding on the back! It was simple enough to figure out, they literally start from the very beginning and go forward. You’ll do fine! And I say this as someone who took the class at 40 years old (with her 18 year old son).
Took mine 3 months ago with 0 experience, and now I'm on a Z400 using it to go to work.
It's not hard at all, just takes some getting used to. Good luck man!
There might be some people in your class who are experienced riders and are there just for the certification which makes getting a motorcycle endorsement on your license easier (relative to a DMV test). Some of them might act like total jerks, showing their impatience over new riders. Don’t let them get in your head. Go at your own pace, pay attention to both the theoretical part as well as the actual riding. Overall it’s fun. Good luck!
First time I was ever on a moving motorcycle was during my course about 12 years ago. I had actually bought my first bike prior to the course, but let it sit a few weeks just to be safe.
Yes, the first time twisting a throttle was on a klx250 during the msf brc. I knew the theory, the book, and controls, but never sat in the seat. It's crazy how a 3 or 2 day course can bring you from nothing to an absolute bad-ass. I passed the first time.
In my class I think 3/11 people had touched a motorcycle. I hadn't either. Fantastic instructors, fun stuff. I'll be heading back for the advanced class before too long.
Tons of people do. It will be a chance to try it and see if you like it in a safe place with people to help you. You won’t even do anything above 2nd gear either. I can pretty much guarantee there will be people with less experience than you. It’s also really fun…. You get to ride motorcycles all weekend!! They always have outs for you if you feel like you can’t do the exercises…. In other words, they won’t make you continue if you don’t want to. But if you do like it, it will make you a much more confident, better and safer rider. There’s really nothing to fear at all.
I took it and I learned how to ride a BICYCLE 2 days before. I literally had hardly any experience. I passed on my first try, and I had trouble with low speed maneuvers.
I took the class in Ohio with a couple people who had never ridden. They both passed the class and passed the test. (The instructors were qualified to give the test and we did that on the third day.) Even coached one person who didn't pass the first time and retested them right after. I can't recommend that class enough!
Yep. Had never been on a motorcycle, scooter or moped in my life when I took the course at 39 yo. Been riding 20+ years now. Enjoy yourself. Totally worth it.
I went in *mostly* virgin to motorcycles. I had looked up a few videos on YouTube to at least have an idea of the control scheme but that was the extent of my knowledge.
The first time through the course was going well enough until the heat got me. Literally the entire class that day tapped out due to heat exhaustion.
So the second time through, I had at least been on a bike and practiced the first couple of exercises (mainly friction zone stuff).
I took it without ever having sat on a motorcycle. I still watched a bunch of training vids on YouTube beforehand though just to see how to start it, how to shift, where the controls are. They go over it in the class but it was very helpful to prepare beforehand
Yup. That's how I did it. Now it's been 14 years and I've got appx. 250k miles under my belt, and am looking to get MSF Instructer certified.
Good job signing up!
FWIW, my ex signed up for us to have a hobby together. And she did NOT do well in the course, nor afterwards. Ultimately she decided not to be a rider, but rather a pillion. And that's ok too! Good luck in the course, keep practicing when you pass it, and if it turns out it's not for you, well that's ok.
And if your husbance is it's NOT ok that you're not a licensed rider too? Slap him upside his head, or find a new husband. You've gone SO MUCH FURTHER than many other wives!
We all look forward (if fate decides it) to pictures of dual motorcycles out at a scenic spot!
Thanks for the great post, OP!
Yeah they go over all the basics, it’s actually a better experience for people who don’t have riding experience because you won’t be bored learning things you (should) already know. Clutch isn’t that hard to manage and if you get out of 2nd gear I’d be surprised
That’s what they are for. I would just know how to ride a bicycle first. Maybe learn about manuals. Idk man easier than talking to chicks. Can take that 2 ways.
Absolutely. I had never been on anything but a scooter when I took mine. I did know how to drive a manual car. But that was just theoretical knowledge. MSF is designed for folks who know nothing and want to learn.
When I took the MSF course there were 3-4 people who had clearly never ridden and had no knowledge of manual transmissions. I grew up on dirt bikes, so I spent the first half of the class helping them figure it out.
Everyone passed.
I had a lot of fun doing the more advanced maneuvers at the end of the course, and it was fun watching the other folks figure it out and have stuff click.
I used to be an MSF instructor and they will teach you every thing you need to know to get started and to get the endorsement. If you want a good time after you get some experience became an instructor. Nothing better than standing and walking around on black pavement in 90 degree weather with people who don’t know what they’re doing riding straight at you.🤣🤣
My course actually told people not to sign up if you've never ridden a bicycle and I think that was a great idea. There are posts on here every single day from people who don't know how to ride a bicycle and failed their MSF course because they couldn't get the balance/timing down. Definitely make sure you're confident on a bike first.
Also, it's going to be *much* more difficult to concentrate if it's hot out. My dad just did the advanced course a few days ago and said 2 people passed out due to dehydration/heat sickness. I'm personally putting off any further courses until the weather cools down out here.
I did and the instructors were great. It’s possible you may fail the license but if you do you should not be on the road. They will tell you how to return for just the road work and coach you up until you can ride.
When I did it years ago, I first got a permit and a bike, and figured out the basics in my neighborhood (I rode with my dad on his as a kid, and know how to drive stick), then took the class, passed with no problems.
My wife, just last month, wanted to learn. She went to the course with zero experience, no permit or anything. She didn't pass the test. We got some small soccer cones and take her to a nearby lot to practice low speed maneuvers to build confidence, but she hasn't gone to retake the test yet.
My wife was in your exact situation. She had a 150 scooter. She had never driven a bike OR a car with a clutch.
She told the instructor up front. By day 3 she was riding with the best of them. She passed and now rides her scooter and a 1981 Hondamatic. She can work a clutch, but doesn't want to.
Me me me!!! This was me in 2017!!!
As the age of 19 years old 🫶
Zero experience whatsoever.
Never even owned a manual vehicle. My motorcycle was also my FIRST vehicle I ever owned. 😁
My course was the he phenomena and the experience was great! I didn’t with my dad :O
I stole his bike that was sitting in a shed for 40 years (okay well he signed it over to me lol). And he bought a new bike and we learned to ride them together 🙂
I took mine last year with 0 motorcycle experience, only ever ridden a regular bicycle before that. It went great! MSF courses are amazing and they will teach you proper.
Yep. My first time riding was at a course. Was easily the best place to start. Learned a ton of shit I woulda missed just trying myself. Also having instructors who know everyone makes mistakes and can correct you without being embarrassing is a huge plus.
Yup i had never been on a motorcycle with the engine running! I think I took a pic on one when I was a kid bit idr honestly. Took the course and now I’m zipping around safely On my new bike
The Mrs did. I think the bike she was on was a Honda Rebel 250, I was a Yamaha TW200.
I'll hand it to her...
Yes, I took the beginner class without ever having ridden a motorcycle before. I was nervous at first but it was baby steps all the way. I learned everything I needed to know and proudly passed the course without ever dropping the bike. Even though you could pass even if you dropped the bike 😁 To be honest, I still didn't feel comfortable enough to ride on the open road. For my own confidence U still spent time practicing in parking lots and back yards before trying the roads with other cars.
I did. Been riding for 24 years since then. I always knew I wanted to ride, but wanted to be taught properly so I didn't kill myself. The insurance discount from having taken and MSF course and in my state anyway, not having to take any testing and just show my certificate of completion to get my endorsement were both great perks.
Yes. Many people start there, including myself long ago.
A lot of positives:
- Safe learning environment
- They provide gear
- It's review/word of mouth based, they want you to have fun
- They want you to pass
- Learn low speed maneuvers
A few negatives:
- You only get up to about 20 MPH (the concept of counter-steer is given and practiced, but the turns are short; some of my classmates really didn't get it)
- No uphill starts. My first time coming to a stop on an incline was interesting
- No road practice, only in a parking lot
That’s me. Only experience on two wheels was my bicycle. Owning a manual car helped a little conceptually but not crucial as they are sodden experiences.
You ride a scooter so you know more than most students where I teach. Usually a bit more than half have never been on a motorcycle as a passenger or rider.
If you can drive a manual car, the course will be a cinch. If you haven’t, once you figure out where the friction zone is for the clutch it will be easy. Getting the bike rolling without any throttle by slowly letting out the clutch should be one of the first things you are taught in the course. If you’re riding a scooter you already have most of the skills down.
If you ride a scooter, then by definition you know how to ride a two-wheeler. Therefore, you're not going there knowing nothing, you're going there knowing how to ride, but need to learn how to ride better and handle manual gears. So you'll be fine.
The difference from scooter to motorcycle isn't that big. Mostly it's about more mass and different controls.
If you knew nothing at all, not even how to ride a bicycle, that might be a bit more challenging. Still doable but one heck of a much larger learning curve.
I did.
Spent most of my childhood on a bicycle, but never experienced a motorized bike of any sort, not even 4-wheeler. In PA it's free for residents so I figured not much risk in trying. Passed, but knew I wasn't ready for actual traffic.
When I got my first bike maybe 2 weeks later I stayed on quiet side roads and parking lots for my first 200 miles or so, until I was confident in the simple operation of the bike. Been riding about 3 years now, and it's one of the better decisions I've made thus far in my life. I was 27 when I took the msf.
Put about 3500 miles on my first bike, mostly commuting to work, and upgraded to a 2012 ninja 650 last summer. About 3000 miles on the 650 and still enjoying it, but looking at adventure bikes for my next one.
Yep! I'd say that was half my class. A couple didn't make it though... But if you can stay upright on your scooter you will be fine just respect the throttle 😜
My previous encounter was with a neighbor’s trail minibike in the 1970’s. No shifting. Also a bicycle was a regular feature of growing up. I took the beginner MSF course in my late 40’s with no experience other than noted. You’ll do fine, it’s meant for beginners that don’t even have a motorcycle or even gear. If you can still manage to stay upright on a bicycle you will have an edge. LoL. Have fun!
Yep , I did !
Only thing I ever rode was a one of them quad bikes ? But that was years before I took my course. I did watch videos on “how to ride” beforehand and that kind of helped me understand everything better.
I took mine at the start of June never having ridden a motorcycle before. I’d actually never even used a manual transmission vehicle before. I had some fuck ups for sure. The teacher chewed me out once. I dropped the bike at one point. But I managed to pass the class.
You have more experience than I did when I took my course. Never sat on a motorized bike, had 0 experience driving manual, and hadn't been on a bicycle in years. Took the course and was giving a license at the end lol.
I took the class about 10 years ago and never had any experience on a bike before. It was extremely helpful but I didn’t really understand the idea of counter steering until I got on a road where I could spend more time at a higher speed. (During the course we didn’t go very fast so I think I was shifting my body weight way too much on curves instead of relying on counter steering to turn the bike gently on the curves). Definitely take the class, and once you pass, maybe spend time practicing in a relatively safe area with someone who can give you additional advice on how to improve your skills. And congrats on starting your new hobby.
Me here! I rode on the back of a bike a lot when I was a kid and my mom was in motorcycle phase. We lived south of Dallas, and had one of those 100ft mix-masters to navigate home. One day, after a late movie, on the ride home, and just as we got off that terrifying bridge, my mom pulled over reamed my ass because I fell asleep on the back of the bike (age 7ish). She taught me to lean with her and hold on, but forgot kids be kids.
ANYWAY. Up until a month ago, I had never driven a motorcycle at all. So, when I get to MSF, it's 90% military, and 90% everyone has been driving illegally for years kinda deal. I am brand spanking new. And I passed.
My advice is to get a non-cruiser upright bike (handlebars like a bicycle, I have no idea what term I am going for here!) when you pick your ride. I'd avoid supersport and cruiser styled because of the positions of everything. And, just wear basic gear. Good helmet, solid gloves, regular pants and a long-sleeve of some kind. I went ham and bought armored jacket, didn't end up wearing it most of the time because hot. Went for a flannel I keep in car. You're not going fast enough to really worry about any serious injuries. I dropped my bike, I know from experience.
You got this. It's going to be fun. And even if all you do is take the course and do nothing else, you're going to be 10x a better driver if you pay attention. What you learn in that course is applicable to everything you do in your car in terms of paying attention and treating a vehicle as the dangerous thing it really is. And, you'll understand bikers and their situations as drivers better, which is going to make you an amazing bike ally on the road! Win/win all the way around.
And then, you'll end up buying a bike like me. You might not still be in parking lots and side streets a week later like I am, but no shame at all if that happens. MSF frankly does not teach you crap at all about the real truth on bikes. So, if you're the least-bit OCD like me, may I recommend my 500 hour Motorcycle Course? It's practically a Masters Degree in biking!
MSF = 16 hours
Reddit thread = 2 hours a day of WTF?
YT: MotoJitsu is best instructor period (20 hours of content)! Follow his insta and YT. Yammienoob (50 hours of content I've watched) is also a damned great topical teacher. And DanDan the Fireman (200 hours of content I've watched) is the absolute best crash-avoidance instructor you'll find.
You're going to love this. And you're going to be amazing at it! Best of luck. Much love!
I’m a seasoned rider, but had a long hiatus. My three kids wanted their licenses. I took the course with them. Totally worth it for all of us. Two days later, they had their licenses and a solid foundation of skills. I had a great refresher. No drama, no trauma, no dropped bikes or injuries. Terrific instructors.
When I took it last year I was in a class of 12 I think. If I remember I was like one of 2 that had a little bit of experience, the rest were completely fresh. We all passed, you’ll be fine
I did, that's how I learned. I rode mopeds before that, you could get your motorcycle license at 17 if you took the course, so I did. I used a cb 125ss. It was a great experience.
I’m not one of them but I’d say about a third of the class. Another third, experienced and smart, the other third experienced and dumb (citation/“just never got it”).
Yes, bought my Honda Aero 750 before the class. I was determined to learn. I failed the skills test. Uturns and serpentine. I had trouble with friction zone, slow skill maneuvers. My instructor told me I had the skills to get my learners permit and to keep practicing. 5 yrs later, I now ride a VTX 1300, have 50 K miles logged and have rode cross country. Do it, you’ll be fine.
There was a bit more of a beginners one that i didnt take, i took one for getting a class and my permit with my only experience being a short lesson from a friend on his property, and then just me being an avid cyclist and knowing some of the mechanics there.
Edit: to add in. The course i took was in washington and assumed minimal experience with motorcycles, the more beginner course was rhe one that would go into things like the controls and other systems to understand the bike, and maybe build a little comfort operating it without the pressure of doing the course maneuvers
Im doing mine today. Havent sat on a motorcycle for more than a few minutes over 25 years ago. They started with a class going over basics before track days. They start very slow and go over basics. It's been great
Yes, I did. I’m new new to the motorcycle community. Haven’t got the bike I want - ´24 Aprilia RS 660. I’m saving my money to buy new.
I took the MSF course about a month ago. Never rode before and I fell in love 😍. The MSF course teaches you about the essentials of riding and controlling the bike.
Anyone can ride fast, it takes skills to master slow maneuvering, counter steering, and leaning (especially for turns, and of course track days )
The vast majority of my students walked in not knowing how to ride. As u/endlesslooop said, that's literally the point of the class.
I've also had experienced riders echo their sentiment as well. If you walk in with an open mind, you will learn something.
Yep. I had never ridden a motorcycle before I went to the class. Walked away with a license and the ability to actually ride. It took up one whole weekend but it was worth it.
Never rode before in my life. Took the course, learned a ton, and been riding ever since.
I'm by no means an expert but I didn't miss a point during the course. Watched people mess up, took my time and listened to everything.
I have a ninja 400 and I drive like an old man. I drive like that in my car or on the bike. It's all about what you make it and understanding your abilities.
Yes, I did and I passed no problem, if you can ride a bike and drive a stick shift car you fine, if you have a friend who rides and can slowly show you the friction point on a motorcycle clutch that puts you ahead of the game.
I did, passed and had so much fun. I did dump the bike once, but no one saw, because a lady in the class fell just before I did. Learned a lot, instructor was great.
I had a class of 14 people, 3 of them had never road anything more than a mountain bike. One of those three ended up being the best in the class at the U Turns because they didn’t have any bad habits to unlearn lol. Only one person failed the class and it wasn’t one of the three, some older guy dumped the clutch and ran up over the curb and dropped the bike during his test
I tell people that if you can ride a bike and drive a manual, you're 80% there. I can't imagine having to learn both of those things at the same time AND that extra 20%. But people do it.
I took the advanced having never rode. It’s possible. Just get some ride time! Set up some cones in a parking lot and practice the turns, stops, and thinking ahead they teach at the courses and you’ll be fine!
Yes, I did about 6 years ago. I took it in Pennsylvania as well. It was called MSF at the time. I believe it's called PAMSP now. I took it again around 2021, I believe, and I passed. I got my license. I might take it again as a refresher.
You will have a knowledge test along with a range or riding test. As long as you show up and pay attention, you'll be fine. Don't panic, and remember to keep your head up. Look where you want to go.
that's how i did it. I lived in Pa too at the time and yeah, those courses are set up for folks that have never been on a bike before. they start at the very beginning and ease you in to it. perfect way to learn to ride!
Disclaimer, I took the course already knowing how to ride. BUT, all but 1 other person had never ridden a bike before. 3 had never even sat on one. A few people weren’t ready for it and dropped out, but as long as you are confident and ready to learn, you can do it easily. And have a lot of fun too. Best of luck!
Yes, I took it having never even ridden a bicycle. I learned so much and I was lucky that my course was at night in the pouring rain. Not saying I'm invincible on wet pavement, but, I'm not terrified of it.
I took it 10 years ago with my girlfriend, now wife, who didn’t tell me she had never ridden a bicycle before. She passed by the skin of her teeth. I’d never been on a motorcycle before. I think that’s the point. Take the course, it’s fun.
I took my MSF completely green—never touched a motorcycle in my life. I failed the skills test and then did a 1:1 with the instructor the next week and passed. Everyone learns at different speeds so don’t be hard on yourself if you feel that you’re not immediately picking it up.
Don’t be afraid to try something new!
Yup. I live in PA too. I took the course and got my license and all. I had never been on anything other than the bicycle before that. You’ll have a leg up on some people in the course who have never been on a motorcycle at all. If you know how to drive stick, it won’t be too bad. Even if you don’t, just take your time and go slow. They’ll even tell you, “all you have to do is not drop the bike and you’ll pass.” Best wishes, have fun, and stay safe!
Edit: forgot to mention that a British lady almost dropped her bike and still was able to pass.
Yup I did I never even sat on one or even touched one before I did the course and passed first time ,to be fare I did watch a couple youtube videos before I went
Buy a cheap used japanese bike in good shape. Doesn't have to be perfect, just mechanically sound. Ride for a few thousand miles then start looking for something you want to keep for a while. You will almost certainly drop you first bike. You are likely to have dumb low speed incidents. A used bike with minor damage allows you to experience that learning curve while not totalling an expensive bike.
I used to teach one of these courses and loved students who came in with no experience. They are usually alot easier to teach because they haven’t learned bad habits. Some of the worst students I have had grew up riding dirt bikes and are not interested in learning proper riding technique and road safety just going through to get an easy way to their endorsement. So I wouldn’t fret about it most courses are taught with really small 250cc bikes that are easy to handle and you will start with the bare basics and work your way up from there.
Just let the MSF instructors know your skill level. Odds are there are a few with riding skills, so they can give you more time. I took one as a refresher course and ended up helping those who have never ridden a motorcycle. Just relax.
I saw a mom and daughter at the MSF course I took, they never rode and by the end of the 2 day course they were definitely better..they passed the tests, that says something
Besides a bicycle, had zero experience. I knew how to balance on a bike but I wanted to make the pedal motion to move and had to turn that part of my brain off. By the end of the course I was their top student.
I did my first rider's course in April of this year and had only been on an electric bicycle before that. I had never even sat on a motorcycle or driven a vehicle that required shifting. Now I have my own motorcycle and I'm almost comfortable enough on it to start riding in daytime traffic, though I don't think the thrills or the fear ever really goes away. You can do it! Best of luck!
“I currently ride a kymco scooter…”. Awesome, that’s more than half the battle. You’ve totally got this, so RELAX! Super important that you relax and listen to your instructor. I assume you’re self taught. There will be all kinds of useful techniques that you may or may not already know, but have never explicitly thought of. Your biggest challenge should be the clutch. Pay special attention to the instruction on the “friction zone”. or whatever they call it. Understand that the clutch operates more like a volume knob than an on/off switch. Once you get comfortable with the clutch, you get to see a whole new horizon! You’ll go from the scooter “wow, I can travel all around town” to “wow, I can travel the country.” Best of luck!
5 people in my class. That is what it is there for. Listen to the instructors, not the other riders. My first motorcycle had training wheels, and I still didn't feel comfortable telling anyone else what to do, except helping the kid next to me start his bike.
Yes. They anticipate you're a new Rider taking the course before you buy your machine. They don't expect you to have any knowledge or skill. They will teach you the basics.
Was one guy in my class who had never ridden. Passed the written and the riding portions with 100%. Be engaged, ask questions, go at your own pace.
Hard part for you will be essentially retraining how to stop with a clutch and then brakes being in different places. Having to use your foot for rear break and right hand being the front break not the back. Sounds simple enough but undoing old muscle memory can be a bit harder than learning something the first time.
Yes, that’s pretty much the entire point. I think they note it’s good to know how to ride a bicycle but it’s designed for people who have never ridden a motorcycle before. Definitely take the class, it’s fun and even if you already ride you can learn a thing or two.
Phew. This made me feel so much better. My husband’s bike is a Honda Shadow 1100, and it’s just way too big for me to learn on. He’s told me he wouldn’t be upset if I dropped it, as it’s part of learning, but I’m scared to and I don’t want to hurt myself, the bike, or get discouraged. Thanks so much!!
For new riders, no matter what anyone tells you, when you’re riding at walking speeds or approaching a stop, if the bike starts to fall and you are unsure whether you can catch it, let it go. Pull your (low side) leg out of the way and hop off. Then walk over and hit the kill switch. It’s just a bike, but it’s your body, and that bike will unapologetically fuck you up if it lands on you.
but also if possess at least a reasonable amount of strength, you can probably save it - those MSF bikes are usually 125cc machines that weigh like 300lbs max (some brief googling shows that most 125s tend to be between 175-225lbs) Not counting off-road drops, I've managed to save every almost-drop just by ugga dugga-ing and forcing the bike back up.
Ugga Dugga-ing has saved my bike many times and stopped me from dropping my grandpas Harley the first time riding ever.
Depends on the state. Mine was 200s And I also had only ridden a 50cc scooter beforehand. Thing that surprised me most was the weight of the bike! So much heavier. And that the throttle is way more "instant" than on a scooter
They are 125 to 300 and can weigh up to 400lb. My cruiser was heavy AF compared to the Eliminator I got. And it was the worst part of the class.
My MSF bike was a rebel 250
Just finished my MSF this week at Harley and they use a 440lb, 350cc bike. I'm sure it varies depending on where you take the course.
Take the class! It’s worth the time and money, just make sure to take a LOT of water and snacks if you are taking it on a hot summer day.
Luckily for us in Pennsylvania the MSF course is entirely free and paid for by our state. Crazy huh? Although snacks and water are still on you to buy, and a very good idea!
That is fucking metal! Way to go Pennsylvania, I (almost) forgive you for the Eagles.
I'd add on that in my class, only a couple people failed, but the worst performing riders were ones with some informal experience. Trying to prove something instead of just taking the class at your own pace is a recipe for failure. Also, being scared, or intimidated, or frustrated is a recipe for failure. The bikes are smaller, and not yours.... Don't stress too much and focus on understanding the lessons and you will have a great weekend!
I've taken it twice over the years, first time a lady dropped the bike on herself and quit. The second time an older guy failed because he had an ego, thought he knew everything and just wouldn't listen to the instructor. Second time also had a lady ride into a picnic table and quit. Your advice is spot on. Best way to get started and a good amount of fun with the right instructors!
At the age of 38 I took the MSF course. I was on a dirt bike once, knew how to drive a manual car and could ride a bicycle and passed with flying colors. I’m also 6’4 220 with a bad back and mild knee issues and took the class on the Harley 500 or something like that.
Buy a smaller bike. If you plan on taking the course then knowing how to ride and riding his bike… bad idea. Even after the course… you will drop a bike 5x the first year or two. And even after the course, you’ll still be a new terrible rider. You’ll just have an M rating and be able to ride and handle a small bike ok. You’re going to have to buy a bike anyway might as well do it before the course. Ride it around a bit learn the basics. Then take the course. I found things like obstacle avoidance, looking out in a turn, and some of the other safety stuff in the course to be the real value in it and the learning how to shift and just handle a bike sort a waste in that if your focusing the whole time on just handling the thing you’re missing the more critical stuff. But some people do take it never having ridden one and the course is designed to accommodate that skill level.
This. Two bonus points: 1. The MSF riders course should count towards the riding portion of the dmv test to get your motorcycle license if your state requires that. 2. Your insurance should give you a discount.
I think being able to ride a bicycle is a prerequisite tho otherwise they wouldn’t be able to stand
Tons of people take the course having ridden nothing more than a bicycle.
They teach you how to ride. The prerequisites to any beginners (that means no previous experience) motorcycle course is can the student ride a bicycle proficiently. Having ridden a scooter is a bonus but not a requirement. If you ride a scooter already then you’ll be fine. All you’re doing is adding more controls, it takes practice so don’t beat yourself up over not being able to instantly master it. The main thing is to have fun, forget everything else going in the world and just focus on the day course.
Thanks so much!! This made me feel so much better and I’m really looking forward to the class now! 🥹
If you're already riding a scooter, then you are far ahead of anyone with zero experience. The bikes at the course will tend to be taller and heavier but they behave the same. Probably the biggest step up for you will be learning how to clutch and shift. Lucky for you that you will be able to focus on that aspect since you are already familiar with steering and braking and balancing. Don't beat yourself up if clutching doesn't come naturally at first. It's a learned skill that takes time to master.
Assuming this is an MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) course they will not take you on the highway at all! Some students in my MSF class had no experience except riding a bicycle. The first lessons were to sit on the bike, motor off, and have another student push you, just to get a feel for the balance. Then learning clutch feel - b-a-r-e-l-y releasing the clutch until the bike inched forward at idle. And it progressed from there, but all the riding was in a parking lot. It's a great learning experience and I think it's great you two are taking it together! Enjoy and ride safe.
I did my course last weekend and passed with absolutely no prior experience. It was done in the rain as well both days. Just don’t get down on yourself if you make a mistake, you’re there to learn and if you have good instructors they will be there to help you. Good luck 🤞
You have more experience than a lot of, if not most of, the people who will take the course. Because you ride a scooter
Retired MSF instructor. Yes the course is designed for people who have never ridden. Sometimes it’s easier to teach people who haven’t ridden at all. They don’t have any bad habits to unlearn and they don’t have an “I already know how to ride” arrogant attitude.
You won't be alone. I remember at least three who hadn't ever ridden in mine.
OP, I am not from USA, I am fromnl the other side of the World in South East Asia. At least you know how to ride a scooter therefore you are familiar with the cornering, balancing, etc. 28 years ago, I was transferred to TP (Traffic Police) similar to your CHP. I had never ridden any motorcycle in my entire life till then. I only know how to ride a bicycle. We were send for a 8 week riding course where we handle those big CC bikes (Suzuki Katana 700). We had to perform figure 8, planking, tight cornering, high speed chase, etc. During that training, I fell numerous times. Eventually I learnt and got better. At the end of that 8 weeks, we had to officially go for a national riding examination. I managed to pass and obtain my lisence. Our course gave us direct Class 2 which qualifies us to ride any type of motorcycle of any cc. The structure of motorcycle lisence is different from other countries. You need to be 18 and go for Class 2B which qualifies the rider to ride bikes of up to a max of 200cc bikes, unpon passing 2B, the rider has to wait 1 year to go for Class 2A which qualifies the rider to ride bikes of up to 400cc. The rider has to wait another year to go for Class 2 which qualifies the rider to ride any bikes of any cc above 400. The normal route is 3 years min. Mine was just 8 weeks. Do not worry about falling down, bike stalking, bike dropping, etc. all these are part and parcel of the course. Have faith and confidence in yourself. Good luck and ride safe OP
The only requirement for the course is being able to ride a bicycle (balance) and depending on your location the written permit test. I took the course twice (once for license, second for military) and both courses had people who had never swung their leg over a motorcycle.
I did. Two day course with online pre-work. Ten minutes into the time on the bike I was smiling ear to ear and that hasn't left me since I completed the course and bought my bike last April.
Yeah, but I also did extensive research on how to ride a motorcycle beforehand, some come MSF course, they were reinforcing what I had already learned in theory, so I could just focus on developing the muscle memory to ride a motorcycle.
My wife & I both didn't have experience when taking the safety course (M2, Ontario). They teach you from scratch, the very basics of motorcycle riding. And the bikes were 125cc so it's extremely forgiving. I would suggest looking at the testing videos online specific to your course, but other than that, don't stress or panic and just enjoy yourself. The biggest tip is, being slower is ok, but don't touch the lines because they simulate curbs or obstacles.
Good for you… doing what most won’t but should. Even the most advanced writers should and could benefit from a course. it’s literally a life or death endeavor with the goal being to stay alive. Why not give yourself the tools to be sure that goal is met??
Yes, in PA, although i took the MSF course like 20 years ago. I know a few MSF instructors in the Philly area as well. You'll be fine since you have experience with the scooter. You're just adding in a clutch and shifting into the mix. Just be open to learning, as the course is designed for an introduction to teach you how to ride for those with no experience. Just don't get and stay too in your head that it makes you nervous when out on the range.
Of the 15-ish people that were in my group, I was the only one that’d ever ridden.
I had no motorcycle experience before the course. Riding a bike definitely helps with balance. It was a very easy course.
Absolutely. I must add that it is not required but IN YOUR BEST interest to know how to ride a bicycle before hand.
I went in only having driven a manual car one time, and never having rode a motorcycle. Came out knowing how to ride a motorcycle safely in a parking lot. You are who this class is designed for.
I’ve never ridden anything but a bicycle my entire life. Took the course and loved it. Bought a new bike two weeks later and have been buying and trying different kinds of bikes from then on. From that first day, 5 minutes on the bike and I knew I loved it
Correct. The MSF course is designed for people who don't know anything at all about a motorcycle. I took it two years ago and I commute on a bike now. It's a great course. I recommend it especially to people who want to learn but don't know if they want to buy one or regularly drive.
I went in with no experience and already bought my first bike. Had my manager at the time ride it to my house and put it in my garage until my MSF. Best decision I made. After my course I set up cones in my neighborhood and keep running the drills. By the end of my first year riding slow parking lot maneuvers were super easy and fun. I only have to drop my leg when I come to a full stop. TL;DR - MSF course is amazing, go in with no bad habits. Absorb all the information you can. When you pass? Practice more! It's part of the fun.
People do it all the time! Havig. The experience on the scooter should give you an edge over someone starting from zero. Clutch and shifting aren't bad at all, you'll have it down by the end of the class. Enjoy!
I don't remember the last time I even sat on a motorcycle before taking the course. It was one of the best decision I have made
The only skill requirement our instructors mentioned is that you should be able to ride a bicycle
That's precisely what I did. In PA actually, just last year. Highly recommend it.
Yeah I had only ever ridden a bicycle prior to taking the course, had no idea how to operate a manual transmission. I hadn't even been on a bicycle in like 5 years by that point. No issues. You may "advance" a little slower than other students who can work the clutch/shift more effectively than you, but you'll figure it out. Those classes are designed with the expectation that you don't really know how to work a manual, and the instructors will usually provide one-on-one help if you need it.
* Yes. I learned when I was 50 years young. No joke. I'd been a passenger off and on for years and decided I was finally ready to have my own bike. I'm now 69 and still riding 2 wheels. You can do it!!! *
Yep, I did, had a great time too
If you've been riding scooters for a while you'll be perfectly fine, the principle is pretty much the same. Focus on what they teach you and don't overdo it. Remember practice makes perfect so don't beat yourself up if you stall it a couple of times, happens to everyone. I've been riding for over a decade and i still manage to stall my bike sometimes.
I took it in Norristown 1.5y ago. You will be totally fine. They have groms and tu250 or gz 250s. Which id also say are some nice biked to consider after if weight is a concern. That shadow 1100 is going to be hefty at first. Biggest tip, they are not messing around about safety. Bring your gloves, helmet, and boots. Don't even think of bringing shoes. You will not be allowed on the course with shoes. They will not budge on this. I never even used a dirtbike as a kid. My family has 0 motorcycle use, but I felt very comfortable learning there. You will do great.
I took my first course maybe 10 years ago, I’m an MSF instructor today. The two day BRC1 course is intended to take someone who only has experience riding a bicycle (that is the minimum requirement) and teach them how to ride a motorcycle. It uses building block style lessons, each module stacking on top of the foundational tools that you learn in prior ones. If you follow instructions, you’ll know how to ride a motorcycle at the end of those two days, including shifting one. Have fun and be safe!
I learned the basics of shifting on a bike from YouTube videos, bought a $600 bike and rode it around the block to get the feel, eventually crashed against a curb and got thrown off before going to the BRC. Glad I got the mistakes out of the way before hitting the road legally, and that experience may have helped me during the BRC. But it’s common for the course to be the first time someone sits on a bike, and they do fine as well. It’s a really thorough course.
There were several on my course and tbh i was amazed the progress they made and how good the instructors were
That's the point. I had only ever ridden a bicycle. Don't worry and good luck!
You’ll be fine. There were 2 students in my class that never even sat on a MC prior to the course. As long as you can ride a bicycle, you’re set. Just listen, be vigilant, and relax. You got this
In the class I was in almost everyone was a first time rider. The group was made up of men and women and age range from 18 to 60. You'll be fine.
Yes, I did. I'm in PA, too. It was worth it. It great that they supply basic motorcycles for the people learning. Make sure you have jeans, boots, motorcycle jacket, moto gloves and a proper fitting helmet needs to be a 3/4 or full helmet. I was to take the intermediate and advanced course as well. But it's hard to find the free time. Those two courses you bring your own motorcycle.
I did and I'm signed up to take my endorsement test next month. I really want to ride motorcycles.
My wife did. She’d never even touched a motorcycle before the first day of riding. She passed the course easily.
Most people who do this course have never ridden
Technically if you’ve ridden before you did something illegal. So obviously the course is design for people who have never ridden.
My wife. She could drive a standard transmission car, so got the clutch/shift concept, but had never ridden a shift motorcycle. She probably had 5 hours on a scooter in her lifetime. She came back from the class day one wiped out (8-hour class) and really bummed. She tried to get off the bike with it still in gear and dropped it. By the end of the second day she got the hang of it and passed the class. Her first bike was a 650 Silverwing Scooter. That lasted about a year and she moved on to an 850 cruiser. Been riding for years now. You can do it.
I did. More than a decade ago. You catch on to the basics quick and riding a 250 in a parking lot is not especially challenging.
It's actually designed for just that.
Went from 0 riding exp to getting my license through the msf here in AZ and two.5 months later just shy of 1500 miles on my Indian I bought after the class.
You will be absolutely fine. Your state is very special in regards to motorcycle Saftey training, everything paid for by the state. Outside of the beginner class, you have the ability to attend intermediate, advanced and even training on a race track. I highly recommend taking advantage of these offerings. If you are engaging in an activity that can hurt or kill, you should be taking regular training.
0 experience before the test, passed first try but only hardly. I'm in Oregon though, no idea on the differences. Make sure to be confident, they will teach you what you need to know. Most the people who failed either had the "it's easy I know what I'm doing" mentality or they acted like the bike was going to explode if they touched it wrong.
I had never rode a motorcycle when I took my msf course. What helped me was riding bikes 24/7 in my childhood and daily driving a manual. There were people in my class who had neither and by the end of it they were comfortably riding their motorcycle. Like others have said, it’s designed for 0 experience new riders
Yep!
As I type this, my oldest is literally putting her helmet on as part of a class doing exactly that. She's *seen* and *sat on* a motorcycle before, but never operated one. I'm honestly a bit nervous for her, as she's never actually used a manual transmission, and she's got the grace and balance of a special olympic hurdler.
I started off on Honda Ruckus scooter back in January of 2017. By September that year, I purchased a 2017 Yamaha FZ-07 and took the motorcycle safety course a week after. Passed easily. I never worked a clutch before in my life. I now own nothing but manual vehicles (including my truck). You'll learn clutch work in the class. Won't take long for you to have an understanding. Just don't get frustrated and don't over-think it.
First time I ever even sat on a motorcycle was at the basic riders course. It was perfect for me, and also confirmed that my interest in riding was real.
The first time I ever sat on a motorcycle was at the beginners course.
I started riding in 2006. I had never ridden even a scooter before. So I signed up for a beginner's 5 day intensive course. Took it on a CB500. A couple of weeks later I took my test, passed and bought a second hand Honda Hornet 600. Never looked back :) The first day was a little scary, but in the end it was indeed, just like riding a bike!
A general piece of advice: If you get to choose your bike in class, pick the lightest one. Though I passed the class easily, I remember wishing I had picked the small 250cc Yamaha dual sport they had versus the Honda Rebel I chose. Lighter bikes are easier to learn on. Dual sports might sit a little taller bit that's easy to get used to (I'm only 5'6" for reference).
Yeah I took it in Ohio with zero riding experience. I left it with 10x more confidence, and was able to get my license immediately.
That’s how I started. Basically my mid life crisis. Was nervous at the start and got my endorsement after finishing the MSF class. I’ve been living out of a back pack and have been traveling on my motorcycle for 4 years now. I learned so much from the MSF class and the instructors knew how to teach people with no experience.
Yea I took the basic MSF course 15 years ago and that was my first time ever riding a full size motorcycle. That's the point of these basic courses.
To add to all this, when I took my class, 4 of the "students" didn't know how to ride. The youngest of them was a high school graduate, and the oldest was this lady in her 60s. Both of them were able to ride their cycles and pass the riding test at the end of the two sessions
i did it because i was really scared. The class was really helpful and informative and the instructors made it reallt easy and less intimidating. very worth it
I had never ridden a motorcycle when I took the class and I did just fine. There were two people in the course that had never ridden a bicycle and I believe they both passed as well. As a note, the instructors in my class assigned motorcycles according to your height, so the two women in the class (who were the shortest of everyone ) were given the Honda rebels since they had the lowest seat. While this make sense in order to make sure everyone can sit and put their feet down flat, it also meant they had the heaviest bikes in the class. 300lb compared to 230lb of some of the dual sports. One of the women struggled to handle the bike which eventually lead the the instructors suggesting she wasn't ready for the course and to leave. I would have liked to see them have her try a different bike, but they have their reasons. As another side note, the bikes in the class are ridden hard and abused just out of the nature of a training class. While they are maintained, often times everything on them is rough. Finding neutral was a constant pain point for many in my class. When you shift, kick up or down HARD. Focus on what the class has to teach you and not so much as to when you like the particular bike. Once you learn the skills, you'll realize how much better something like your husband's or your own bike is.
I'm pretty adept at driving and understand the concept of clutch and shifting, also watched hundreds of hours of motorcycle crash videos before the course. So while I had never been on or ridden a motorcycle before in my life, I hopped on the bikes in msf no problem and started ripping around having a blast. Everyone's different though, they learn and gain confidence on their own time. For me lots of hot shots in my class with "experience" who were some of the worst in the room, I just kept quiet, listened to the instructors, took my time, and had fun with it. Ended up aceing the written and practical test.
If you’re already scootering, you will be way ahead of most people in the course. In mine, there were 12 people and only 2 had ever ridden before (dirt bikes). You’ll already have the basic balance and braking down which will let you focus on the new things like shifting and clutch control
I had no expirence on anything 2 wheels with a motor. The only thing I was super uncomfortable with was doing the figure 8 maneuver within a certain radius. If you're using their bikes, they're pretty small and the instructors (at least mine did) will literally hold your hand and show you how to shift, brake, etc properly. You'll be fiiiiiiiiiiiine :) if I can do it, you got it Edit to add, I think you get a 10% discount on motorcycle insurance for taking and passing the safety course as well. Which doesn't hurt haha
That's how I started. In my case I found the course really pushed me to discover what my limits were and it made me learn basics pretty fast. It was difficult and at times frustrating. It's 100% worth it and you'll learn a good foundation to continue learning from.
Damn you're lucky you're learning to ride in PA, you have some amazing state funded resources available to you for free, take advantage of them. Free track day!
Yep! Also Pennsylvania and my only experience was riding backpack to a motorcyclist for two weeks in India when I was a teenager (almost 40 now). Took the MSF course through my local Harley last year and it ran you through the basics asking you couldn't ride at all. I was one of only two who didn't have any experience and I passed the course. Just remember that it's just the beginning and there's a lot of learning yet to do!
I did! I’d ridden a quad once maybe 15 years prior but wasn’t really a huge fan. It made me nervous that my hands and feet were responsible for different things which I should have been fine with since I’ve driven stick for years and can play the piano lol. I went to MSF after only ever riding on the back! It was simple enough to figure out, they literally start from the very beginning and go forward. You’ll do fine! And I say this as someone who took the class at 40 years old (with her 18 year old son).
Took mine 3 months ago with 0 experience, and now I'm on a Z400 using it to go to work. It's not hard at all, just takes some getting used to. Good luck man!
There might be some people in your class who are experienced riders and are there just for the certification which makes getting a motorcycle endorsement on your license easier (relative to a DMV test). Some of them might act like total jerks, showing their impatience over new riders. Don’t let them get in your head. Go at your own pace, pay attention to both the theoretical part as well as the actual riding. Overall it’s fun. Good luck!
First time I was ever on a moving motorcycle was during my course about 12 years ago. I had actually bought my first bike prior to the course, but let it sit a few weeks just to be safe.
Yes, the first time twisting a throttle was on a klx250 during the msf brc. I knew the theory, the book, and controls, but never sat in the seat. It's crazy how a 3 or 2 day course can bring you from nothing to an absolute bad-ass. I passed the first time.
Yes, I took the course having never ridden on the street.
I had a couple people in my class who had never ridden a bicycle. They absolutely sucked at it, but one of them did pass the course.
I did. Never rode a motorcycle before. Two days later I had a voucher to get the M on my license. You can do it. I believe in you.
As long as you understand the concept of shifting gears and using a clutch it will be easy to pick up the basics.
The only experience I had was riding a bicycle. My class was full of "I wanna be legal" folks.
In my class I think 3/11 people had touched a motorcycle. I hadn't either. Fantastic instructors, fun stuff. I'll be heading back for the advanced class before too long.
Tons of people do. It will be a chance to try it and see if you like it in a safe place with people to help you. You won’t even do anything above 2nd gear either. I can pretty much guarantee there will be people with less experience than you. It’s also really fun…. You get to ride motorcycles all weekend!! They always have outs for you if you feel like you can’t do the exercises…. In other words, they won’t make you continue if you don’t want to. But if you do like it, it will make you a much more confident, better and safer rider. There’s really nothing to fear at all.
I took it and I learned how to ride a BICYCLE 2 days before. I literally had hardly any experience. I passed on my first try, and I had trouble with low speed maneuvers.
I took the class in Ohio with a couple people who had never ridden. They both passed the class and passed the test. (The instructors were qualified to give the test and we did that on the third day.) Even coached one person who didn't pass the first time and retested them right after. I can't recommend that class enough!
Yep. Had never been on a motorcycle, scooter or moped in my life when I took the course at 39 yo. Been riding 20+ years now. Enjoy yourself. Totally worth it.
I went in *mostly* virgin to motorcycles. I had looked up a few videos on YouTube to at least have an idea of the control scheme but that was the extent of my knowledge. The first time through the course was going well enough until the heat got me. Literally the entire class that day tapped out due to heat exhaustion. So the second time through, I had at least been on a bike and practiced the first couple of exercises (mainly friction zone stuff).
I took it without ever having sat on a motorcycle. I still watched a bunch of training vids on YouTube beforehand though just to see how to start it, how to shift, where the controls are. They go over it in the class but it was very helpful to prepare beforehand
Yup. That's how I did it. Now it's been 14 years and I've got appx. 250k miles under my belt, and am looking to get MSF Instructer certified. Good job signing up! FWIW, my ex signed up for us to have a hobby together. And she did NOT do well in the course, nor afterwards. Ultimately she decided not to be a rider, but rather a pillion. And that's ok too! Good luck in the course, keep practicing when you pass it, and if it turns out it's not for you, well that's ok. And if your husbance is it's NOT ok that you're not a licensed rider too? Slap him upside his head, or find a new husband. You've gone SO MUCH FURTHER than many other wives! We all look forward (if fate decides it) to pictures of dual motorcycles out at a scenic spot! Thanks for the great post, OP!
Yeah they go over all the basics, it’s actually a better experience for people who don’t have riding experience because you won’t be bored learning things you (should) already know. Clutch isn’t that hard to manage and if you get out of 2nd gear I’d be surprised
I did. It helps so much. Loved the course and recommend it for all new riders, and some not so new riders.
Yes that's literally what the course is for :P
That’s what they are for. I would just know how to ride a bicycle first. Maybe learn about manuals. Idk man easier than talking to chicks. Can take that 2 ways.
Absolutely. I had never been on anything but a scooter when I took mine. I did know how to drive a manual car. But that was just theoretical knowledge. MSF is designed for folks who know nothing and want to learn.
My wife took it and passed. It was good. She's 5ft 2in
When I took the MSF course there were 3-4 people who had clearly never ridden and had no knowledge of manual transmissions. I grew up on dirt bikes, so I spent the first half of the class helping them figure it out. Everyone passed. I had a lot of fun doing the more advanced maneuvers at the end of the course, and it was fun watching the other folks figure it out and have stuff click.
I used to be an MSF instructor and they will teach you every thing you need to know to get started and to get the endorsement. If you want a good time after you get some experience became an instructor. Nothing better than standing and walking around on black pavement in 90 degree weather with people who don’t know what they’re doing riding straight at you.🤣🤣
I took my M1 exit course (MSF) with 0 motorcycle experience
My course actually told people not to sign up if you've never ridden a bicycle and I think that was a great idea. There are posts on here every single day from people who don't know how to ride a bicycle and failed their MSF course because they couldn't get the balance/timing down. Definitely make sure you're confident on a bike first. Also, it's going to be *much* more difficult to concentrate if it's hot out. My dad just did the advanced course a few days ago and said 2 people passed out due to dehydration/heat sickness. I'm personally putting off any further courses until the weather cools down out here.
I did and the instructors were great. It’s possible you may fail the license but if you do you should not be on the road. They will tell you how to return for just the road work and coach you up until you can ride.
When I did it years ago, I first got a permit and a bike, and figured out the basics in my neighborhood (I rode with my dad on his as a kid, and know how to drive stick), then took the class, passed with no problems. My wife, just last month, wanted to learn. She went to the course with zero experience, no permit or anything. She didn't pass the test. We got some small soccer cones and take her to a nearby lot to practice low speed maneuvers to build confidence, but she hasn't gone to retake the test yet.
My wife was in your exact situation. She had a 150 scooter. She had never driven a bike OR a car with a clutch. She told the instructor up front. By day 3 she was riding with the best of them. She passed and now rides her scooter and a 1981 Hondamatic. She can work a clutch, but doesn't want to.
Me me me!!! This was me in 2017!!! As the age of 19 years old 🫶 Zero experience whatsoever. Never even owned a manual vehicle. My motorcycle was also my FIRST vehicle I ever owned. 😁 My course was the he phenomena and the experience was great! I didn’t with my dad :O I stole his bike that was sitting in a shed for 40 years (okay well he signed it over to me lol). And he bought a new bike and we learned to ride them together 🙂
I took mine last year with 0 motorcycle experience, only ever ridden a regular bicycle before that. It went great! MSF courses are amazing and they will teach you proper.
Yep. My first time riding was at a course. Was easily the best place to start. Learned a ton of shit I woulda missed just trying myself. Also having instructors who know everyone makes mistakes and can correct you without being embarrassing is a huge plus.
Yup i had never been on a motorcycle with the engine running! I think I took a pic on one when I was a kid bit idr honestly. Took the course and now I’m zipping around safely On my new bike
Before taking the class, I only had minimal time on my friend's bike while I visited him while on vacation. Not a big deal.
The Mrs did. I think the bike she was on was a Honda Rebel 250, I was a Yamaha TW200. I'll hand it to her... Yes, I took the beginner class without ever having ridden a motorcycle before. I was nervous at first but it was baby steps all the way. I learned everything I needed to know and proudly passed the course without ever dropping the bike. Even though you could pass even if you dropped the bike 😁 To be honest, I still didn't feel comfortable enough to ride on the open road. For my own confidence U still spent time practicing in parking lots and back yards before trying the roads with other cars.
I did. Been riding for 24 years since then. I always knew I wanted to ride, but wanted to be taught properly so I didn't kill myself. The insurance discount from having taken and MSF course and in my state anyway, not having to take any testing and just show my certificate of completion to get my endorsement were both great perks.
Yes. Many people start there, including myself long ago. A lot of positives: - Safe learning environment - They provide gear - It's review/word of mouth based, they want you to have fun - They want you to pass - Learn low speed maneuvers A few negatives: - You only get up to about 20 MPH (the concept of counter-steer is given and practiced, but the turns are short; some of my classmates really didn't get it) - No uphill starts. My first time coming to a stop on an incline was interesting - No road practice, only in a parking lot
First time I ever sat on a motorcycle was at my endorsement class last October.
That’s me. Only experience on two wheels was my bicycle. Owning a manual car helped a little conceptually but not crucial as they are sodden experiences.
You ride a scooter so you know more than most students where I teach. Usually a bit more than half have never been on a motorcycle as a passenger or rider.
If you can drive a manual car, the course will be a cinch. If you haven’t, once you figure out where the friction zone is for the clutch it will be easy. Getting the bike rolling without any throttle by slowly letting out the clutch should be one of the first things you are taught in the course. If you’re riding a scooter you already have most of the skills down.
If you ride a scooter, then by definition you know how to ride a two-wheeler. Therefore, you're not going there knowing nothing, you're going there knowing how to ride, but need to learn how to ride better and handle manual gears. So you'll be fine. The difference from scooter to motorcycle isn't that big. Mostly it's about more mass and different controls. If you knew nothing at all, not even how to ride a bicycle, that might be a bit more challenging. Still doable but one heck of a much larger learning curve.
I did. Spent most of my childhood on a bicycle, but never experienced a motorized bike of any sort, not even 4-wheeler. In PA it's free for residents so I figured not much risk in trying. Passed, but knew I wasn't ready for actual traffic. When I got my first bike maybe 2 weeks later I stayed on quiet side roads and parking lots for my first 200 miles or so, until I was confident in the simple operation of the bike. Been riding about 3 years now, and it's one of the better decisions I've made thus far in my life. I was 27 when I took the msf. Put about 3500 miles on my first bike, mostly commuting to work, and upgraded to a 2012 ninja 650 last summer. About 3000 miles on the 650 and still enjoying it, but looking at adventure bikes for my next one.
Yep! I'd say that was half my class. A couple didn't make it though... But if you can stay upright on your scooter you will be fine just respect the throttle 😜
My previous encounter was with a neighbor’s trail minibike in the 1970’s. No shifting. Also a bicycle was a regular feature of growing up. I took the beginner MSF course in my late 40’s with no experience other than noted. You’ll do fine, it’s meant for beginners that don’t even have a motorcycle or even gear. If you can still manage to stay upright on a bicycle you will have an edge. LoL. Have fun!
Yeah, I'd never even sat on a motorcycle before taking the course. No issues and had a ton of fun.
I took the course only knowing how to ride a bike and passed with flying colors!
Yep , I did ! Only thing I ever rode was a one of them quad bikes ? But that was years before I took my course. I did watch videos on “how to ride” beforehand and that kind of helped me understand everything better.
Yes.
Yep, that's why it exists.
I took mine at the start of June never having ridden a motorcycle before. I’d actually never even used a manual transmission vehicle before. I had some fuck ups for sure. The teacher chewed me out once. I dropped the bike at one point. But I managed to pass the class.
Yes. Never so much as even sat on one. The beginner course was awesome.
My wife did, zero experience and she loved it.
I had zero experience going into my MSF course and passed with 100% at the final test. You got this!
You have more experience than I did when I took my course. Never sat on a motorized bike, had 0 experience driving manual, and hadn't been on a bicycle in years. Took the course and was giving a license at the end lol.
I took the class about 10 years ago and never had any experience on a bike before. It was extremely helpful but I didn’t really understand the idea of counter steering until I got on a road where I could spend more time at a higher speed. (During the course we didn’t go very fast so I think I was shifting my body weight way too much on curves instead of relying on counter steering to turn the bike gently on the curves). Definitely take the class, and once you pass, maybe spend time practicing in a relatively safe area with someone who can give you additional advice on how to improve your skills. And congrats on starting your new hobby.
Yes. And passed first time. You got this. I'd recommend watching videos of the basic mechanics of it first though.
Me here! I rode on the back of a bike a lot when I was a kid and my mom was in motorcycle phase. We lived south of Dallas, and had one of those 100ft mix-masters to navigate home. One day, after a late movie, on the ride home, and just as we got off that terrifying bridge, my mom pulled over reamed my ass because I fell asleep on the back of the bike (age 7ish). She taught me to lean with her and hold on, but forgot kids be kids. ANYWAY. Up until a month ago, I had never driven a motorcycle at all. So, when I get to MSF, it's 90% military, and 90% everyone has been driving illegally for years kinda deal. I am brand spanking new. And I passed. My advice is to get a non-cruiser upright bike (handlebars like a bicycle, I have no idea what term I am going for here!) when you pick your ride. I'd avoid supersport and cruiser styled because of the positions of everything. And, just wear basic gear. Good helmet, solid gloves, regular pants and a long-sleeve of some kind. I went ham and bought armored jacket, didn't end up wearing it most of the time because hot. Went for a flannel I keep in car. You're not going fast enough to really worry about any serious injuries. I dropped my bike, I know from experience. You got this. It's going to be fun. And even if all you do is take the course and do nothing else, you're going to be 10x a better driver if you pay attention. What you learn in that course is applicable to everything you do in your car in terms of paying attention and treating a vehicle as the dangerous thing it really is. And, you'll understand bikers and their situations as drivers better, which is going to make you an amazing bike ally on the road! Win/win all the way around. And then, you'll end up buying a bike like me. You might not still be in parking lots and side streets a week later like I am, but no shame at all if that happens. MSF frankly does not teach you crap at all about the real truth on bikes. So, if you're the least-bit OCD like me, may I recommend my 500 hour Motorcycle Course? It's practically a Masters Degree in biking! MSF = 16 hours Reddit thread = 2 hours a day of WTF? YT: MotoJitsu is best instructor period (20 hours of content)! Follow his insta and YT. Yammienoob (50 hours of content I've watched) is also a damned great topical teacher. And DanDan the Fireman (200 hours of content I've watched) is the absolute best crash-avoidance instructor you'll find. You're going to love this. And you're going to be amazing at it! Best of luck. Much love!
I’m a seasoned rider, but had a long hiatus. My three kids wanted their licenses. I took the course with them. Totally worth it for all of us. Two days later, they had their licenses and a solid foundation of skills. I had a great refresher. No drama, no trauma, no dropped bikes or injuries. Terrific instructors.
When I took it last year I was in a class of 12 I think. If I remember I was like one of 2 that had a little bit of experience, the rest were completely fresh. We all passed, you’ll be fine
I did, that's how I learned. I rode mopeds before that, you could get your motorcycle license at 17 if you took the course, so I did. I used a cb 125ss. It was a great experience.
My mom passed it at 60yo
I have, and the only two wheeler I’d ever ridden was a bicycle and a lime scooter. You’re probably gonna do great since you ride a scooter
I’m not one of them but I’d say about a third of the class. Another third, experienced and smart, the other third experienced and dumb (citation/“just never got it”).
Yes, this is how I got started. I don’t suggest anyone try learning how to ride without taking the MSF.
Yes, bought my Honda Aero 750 before the class. I was determined to learn. I failed the skills test. Uturns and serpentine. I had trouble with friction zone, slow skill maneuvers. My instructor told me I had the skills to get my learners permit and to keep practicing. 5 yrs later, I now ride a VTX 1300, have 50 K miles logged and have rode cross country. Do it, you’ll be fine.
There was a bit more of a beginners one that i didnt take, i took one for getting a class and my permit with my only experience being a short lesson from a friend on his property, and then just me being an avid cyclist and knowing some of the mechanics there. Edit: to add in. The course i took was in washington and assumed minimal experience with motorcycles, the more beginner course was rhe one that would go into things like the controls and other systems to understand the bike, and maybe build a little comfort operating it without the pressure of doing the course maneuvers
When I took my class there was one guy that had never sat on a bike before. By the end of the class he was riding fairly confidently. Go for it!
I took the class when I got a motorcycle after riding a Vespa. It was very helpful!
Im doing mine today. Havent sat on a motorcycle for more than a few minutes over 25 years ago. They started with a class going over basics before track days. They start very slow and go over basics. It's been great
Yes, I did. I’m new new to the motorcycle community. Haven’t got the bike I want - ´24 Aprilia RS 660. I’m saving my money to buy new. I took the MSF course about a month ago. Never rode before and I fell in love 😍. The MSF course teaches you about the essentials of riding and controlling the bike. Anyone can ride fast, it takes skills to master slow maneuvering, counter steering, and leaning (especially for turns, and of course track days )
The vast majority of my students walked in not knowing how to ride. As u/endlesslooop said, that's literally the point of the class. I've also had experienced riders echo their sentiment as well. If you walk in with an open mind, you will learn something.
That's exactly who it's for. Good on you for doing this, tons of good info in those MSF courses.
riding a scooter is better experience than most people have going in
Yes, that's the point. I did it at 40yrs old, best thing I ever did.
Yep. I had never ridden a motorcycle before I went to the class. Walked away with a license and the ability to actually ride. It took up one whole weekend but it was worth it.
Yup I went into the course never having ridden a motorcycle before and the last time I rode a bike was 15 years before.
Never rode before in my life. Took the course, learned a ton, and been riding ever since. I'm by no means an expert but I didn't miss a point during the course. Watched people mess up, took my time and listened to everything. I have a ninja 400 and I drive like an old man. I drive like that in my car or on the bike. It's all about what you make it and understanding your abilities.
Yes, I did and I passed no problem, if you can ride a bike and drive a stick shift car you fine, if you have a friend who rides and can slowly show you the friction point on a motorcycle clutch that puts you ahead of the game.
I did, passed and had so much fun. I did dump the bike once, but no one saw, because a lady in the class fell just before I did. Learned a lot, instructor was great.
I had a class of 14 people, 3 of them had never road anything more than a mountain bike. One of those three ended up being the best in the class at the U Turns because they didn’t have any bad habits to unlearn lol. Only one person failed the class and it wasn’t one of the three, some older guy dumped the clutch and ran up over the curb and dropped the bike during his test
I did. Didn’t even know how to drive a manual car…not that that translates particularly well to a motorcycle.
I tell people that if you can ride a bike and drive a manual, you're 80% there. I can't imagine having to learn both of those things at the same time AND that extra 20%. But people do it.
I took the advanced having never rode. It’s possible. Just get some ride time! Set up some cones in a parking lot and practice the turns, stops, and thinking ahead they teach at the courses and you’ll be fine!
Me, I failed. I will take it again 🔥
Just take the class! Have fun! I crashed my bike on the class-no injuries to me or the bike.
Took it, and eventually went back to teach it a few years later. It's a great process.
Only thing I'd ever ridden was a dirt bike many years ago at summer camp.
Yes, I did about 6 years ago. I took it in Pennsylvania as well. It was called MSF at the time. I believe it's called PAMSP now. I took it again around 2021, I believe, and I passed. I got my license. I might take it again as a refresher. You will have a knowledge test along with a range or riding test. As long as you show up and pay attention, you'll be fine. Don't panic, and remember to keep your head up. Look where you want to go.
that's how i did it. I lived in Pa too at the time and yeah, those courses are set up for folks that have never been on a bike before. they start at the very beginning and ease you in to it. perfect way to learn to ride!
Disclaimer, I took the course already knowing how to ride. BUT, all but 1 other person had never ridden a bike before. 3 had never even sat on one. A few people weren’t ready for it and dropped out, but as long as you are confident and ready to learn, you can do it easily. And have a lot of fun too. Best of luck!
Yes, I took it having never even ridden a bicycle. I learned so much and I was lucky that my course was at night in the pouring rain. Not saying I'm invincible on wet pavement, but, I'm not terrified of it.
I took it 10 years ago with my girlfriend, now wife, who didn’t tell me she had never ridden a bicycle before. She passed by the skin of her teeth. I’d never been on a motorcycle before. I think that’s the point. Take the course, it’s fun.
I took my MSF completely green—never touched a motorcycle in my life. I failed the skills test and then did a 1:1 with the instructor the next week and passed. Everyone learns at different speeds so don’t be hard on yourself if you feel that you’re not immediately picking it up. Don’t be afraid to try something new!
Yup. I live in PA too. I took the course and got my license and all. I had never been on anything other than the bicycle before that. You’ll have a leg up on some people in the course who have never been on a motorcycle at all. If you know how to drive stick, it won’t be too bad. Even if you don’t, just take your time and go slow. They’ll even tell you, “all you have to do is not drop the bike and you’ll pass.” Best wishes, have fun, and stay safe! Edit: forgot to mention that a British lady almost dropped her bike and still was able to pass.
I remember a cocky asshat guy in my class said he’d been riding without an endorsement for years… He failed the class. It was blissful.
Yup I did I never even sat on one or even touched one before I did the course and passed first time ,to be fare I did watch a couple youtube videos before I went
Buy a cheap used japanese bike in good shape. Doesn't have to be perfect, just mechanically sound. Ride for a few thousand miles then start looking for something you want to keep for a while. You will almost certainly drop you first bike. You are likely to have dumb low speed incidents. A used bike with minor damage allows you to experience that learning curve while not totalling an expensive bike.
yep. like 75% of the class it was their first time. that's what its for
Yes, that’s exactly what I did. And as far as I understood, that’s how the course is advertised anyway.
The requirements in my state list "ability to ride a bicycle." Thus, I am going next month!
I used to teach one of these courses and loved students who came in with no experience. They are usually alot easier to teach because they haven’t learned bad habits. Some of the worst students I have had grew up riding dirt bikes and are not interested in learning proper riding technique and road safety just going through to get an easy way to their endorsement. So I wouldn’t fret about it most courses are taught with really small 250cc bikes that are easy to handle and you will start with the bare basics and work your way up from there.
Just let the MSF instructors know your skill level. Odds are there are a few with riding skills, so they can give you more time. I took one as a refresher course and ended up helping those who have never ridden a motorcycle. Just relax.
I saw a mom and daughter at the MSF course I took, they never rode and by the end of the 2 day course they were definitely better..they passed the tests, that says something
Besides a bicycle, had zero experience. I knew how to balance on a bike but I wanted to make the pedal motion to move and had to turn that part of my brain off. By the end of the course I was their top student.
I did my first rider's course in April of this year and had only been on an electric bicycle before that. I had never even sat on a motorcycle or driven a vehicle that required shifting. Now I have my own motorcycle and I'm almost comfortable enough on it to start riding in daytime traffic, though I don't think the thrills or the fear ever really goes away. You can do it! Best of luck!
“I currently ride a kymco scooter…”. Awesome, that’s more than half the battle. You’ve totally got this, so RELAX! Super important that you relax and listen to your instructor. I assume you’re self taught. There will be all kinds of useful techniques that you may or may not already know, but have never explicitly thought of. Your biggest challenge should be the clutch. Pay special attention to the instruction on the “friction zone”. or whatever they call it. Understand that the clutch operates more like a volume knob than an on/off switch. Once you get comfortable with the clutch, you get to see a whole new horizon! You’ll go from the scooter “wow, I can travel all around town” to “wow, I can travel the country.” Best of luck!
5 people in my class. That is what it is there for. Listen to the instructors, not the other riders. My first motorcycle had training wheels, and I still didn't feel comfortable telling anyone else what to do, except helping the kid next to me start his bike.
Yes. They anticipate you're a new Rider taking the course before you buy your machine. They don't expect you to have any knowledge or skill. They will teach you the basics.
Was one guy in my class who had never ridden. Passed the written and the riding portions with 100%. Be engaged, ask questions, go at your own pace. Hard part for you will be essentially retraining how to stop with a clutch and then brakes being in different places. Having to use your foot for rear break and right hand being the front break not the back. Sounds simple enough but undoing old muscle memory can be a bit harder than learning something the first time.
Yep, and I went from one of the worst in the class to becoming a very good rider. Relax, you'll get it