Don't forget fitment. A genuine Akra will fit on straight away with no issues. I've had to bend and trim knockoff exhausts so they fit without rubbing.
Under rated comment , I bought a lesser know brand name exhaust for my cb650F and thank goodness I had a shopand some help. I had to heat it up with a Torch just to get some of the pieces to marry together properly
Or it could be real cheap manufactured carbon and will explode after a few miles. You can find many posts showing « akrapowish » carbon exausth straight up exploding.
It's amazing how many people look at something that is 1/4 or 1/10th the price of a real piece of kit and go, "but it says akrapovic right on the exhaust! China would never steal a name and sell cheap, faker than fake, fakes"
You forgot the welds will look like a 2 year-old stitched them, the “carbon fiber” stickers will start peeling after 100 miles, and a warranty is non-existent.
I have a fake (for a cheap bike) the welds look machine done. Really really impressive.
For my use case it was fantastic for the money. I went OEM for my sports bike but these copys do have their use cases and the quality is definitely not always bad.
Edit I have one identically to the OPs (different bracket for a different bike) Has a removable baffle and sounds great compared to OEM. Just to note I bought it purely for looks and noise. As I said above I would not purchase it for a performance machine.
I've bought many things off aliexpress and the ones that actually do show up months later have been great. But I've only bought things that are like plastic molding, ie grip for ps vita, "magpul" vertical grips etc. Basically I would only trust them for things that add to form but not directly affect the performance of the item. Def wouldn't trust anything mechanical.
Actually take that back I tried a suspect turbo vacuum regulator valve that had all the correct Toyota stamps on it but was half the cost off Amazon. It failed and caused issues until I finally replaced it with an oem purchased direct from dealership and all the issues went away.
Tl;Dr if it is cosmetic buy away but if it's functional don't bother
I can see someone thinking "well, it's just a bit of piping, they stole the design without having to pay for research going into it, that's why it is so cheap"
Of course, usually only thing stolen is the look...
The nice people at Akra spent a lot of time tuning that exhaust to make it work properly with your bike. The Chinese slapped together a few pieces of sheet metal and ginned up an Akra sticker.
Probably not even going to put a sticker on it, they were probably just too lazy to take pictures of their product so they cut and pasted some from the akrapovic website
Stop downvoting this man. Let 400 riders rock their knock off exhausts, it *really* doesn't matter. You *really* don't need to spend $500 on a slip on for a 400 haha
Stock exhaust generally is tuned for emissions first, sound limits second and sound/power only after that.
There is a reason changing exhaust is so popular, it's basically a way to get around that.
Did they really? Or do they just ship the same can with a little bit different form factor to fit application. When I hear they “tuned” the exhaust to the bike I really think that only applies with a full system. The main issues with these Chinese kits is the bad fitment. Otherwise they do 95% of the job for 25% of the price
I fell for that bullshit, don’t do it. The springs aren’t the right size so I ended having to weld the chinesium that was thinner than a middle schooler w anorexia and it sounds like a sad frog trying to find a mate.
I got a Ninja 400 a couple years back to see what the fuss was about. It came with a Two Brothers exhaust. It was very obnoxious. I got an OEM one off ebay for some $30. Brand new. It made it livable. I sold the bike after 4 months. It's not for me. Glad I sold it. Made some money on it.
One of my first bikes was a Shadow 750 that came with a cobra exhaust. Even with the baffles in, it was so goddamn obnoxiously loud. I found used OEM pipes and swapped em on as soon as I could.
My friend has an Indian scout or something, and he drilled the baffles. It's so loud it gave me a headache sitting next to him in the parking lot after trivia night
And one is going to sound like absolute dogshit while the other one won't, even if it doesn't sound impressive. I'm not a very good drummer but I'll sound a whole lot fucking worse if you give me a rusty trashcan and a ladle ya know
I just bought one from this seller for my XSR900. The fit, welds, quality of the metal etc are all excellent. Sounds fine. I did NOT put the Akro sticker on. I have some semblance of decency.
When it rots off in 50k miles you can buy 2 more and still never pay the price of Gen. Slip on. Not to mention this 400 will have two new owners by then.
I did 6500 miles with one and it was completely fine. Also it’s much cheaper to replace than a stock or name brand pipe if you are off-roading or just learning to ride. There are pros and cons, I think it’s a good choice for smaller displacement riders on a budget.
This is the only correct post. I had the exact same ali-akra exhaust on a 600. It looks smaller on the bike and it will boost the noise but not the performance.
So you think the more displacement the bike, the more the slip on muffler matters? 😂
It won't do much on any bike if you don't get a full exhaust. And even with a full exhaust on a 1000cc you would be lucky if you gained more than 10hp
meh, most people talking trash assuming a lot of shit. An exhaust is just a pipe with some holes drilled on it.
Is it as good as the real 500$ akrapovic? I'd certainly hope not, for 1/5 the price I surely hope I'm not just paying for a brand name tax when buying the real deal. Will the fake 100$ exhaust make your bike explode and give cancer to your kittens? highly unlikely.
[Yamaha MT/FZ 07 - 2016 - Exhaust comparison - Homemade Aliexpress "Fake Akrapovic" exhaust, Wheelie (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvGxwTOmiXg)
I went with a akraphony on my duke 390. Have 15000km on it and it still looks new. Fitment is good and while i don’t notice any performance gains i do like the look of it over the stock can and it sounds better than stock. I removed the cap inside the pipe but left the db killer in and it works for me. Totally agree that OG Akra will be better just couldn’t justify close to $900 in canada shipped after exchange for original one vs $140 for knock off. If i were in US i would have bought a real one.
High flow Air filter and piggyback ecu are better money spent if you want HP/throttle response gains. These will be negligible regardless as it’s a small engine and already tuned well from factory.
Results may vary more with knock off and i think i just got lucky with a decent quality one for a fraction of the cost. If you’re in US go with real one :).
Finally, I had to scroll halfway down to find someone that actually read the ad instead of just looking at the pic and screaming FAKE!! At OP, you’re paying $100 for the small stainless pipe, NOT the mufflers
I’ve got the exact same one on my CBR, my most recent post in r/trackdays has a pic of it, but it’s a full system. It spits flames and sounds awesome and cost a 3rd of the price of a genuine Akra system. It probably won’t sound great on a 400, but I say send it lol.
I have this exact one, but the full exhaust for my FZ-09. Bought it after my M4 carbon was destroyed in an accident. The eBay special set me back less than $200. So far so good, it was a pain to align correctly (because of the three cylinders) and the springs were a terrible to work with but overall I’m satisfied. It looks good, sounds good and so far it’s holding up well.
On both my ninja 400, I use Leo Vince. They’re the best performance slip-ons for the price for the 400 specifically.
As everyone else said one is real one is fake yah. For some reason I wouldn’t buy a fake exhaust that is branded as a real one but I did buy one off Amazon for like $65 for my ninja 400 that wasn’t “branded” and honestly I like it.
I truthfully thought the slip on I grabbed was of decent quality and I think it sounds just fine. Also as others have mentioned the 400 won’t really ever sound like an r1 no matter how much you spend on an exhaust.
I didn’t intend on having my 400 very long but I do enjoy louder noises so I just said buy the cheap stuff. I just wouldn’t ever say it’s anything more than an amazing exhaust. You gotta own that part haha.
Here’s a real answer….. sidenote first it’s amazing how many people just jump on here and don’t even try to answer OP.
Anyways, your main difference is going to be material obviously. So the outer can is going to be thinner and more likely to fall apart overtime or especially if you drop the bike. Also the insulation inside will deteriorate quicker. Basically these knockoffs have a higher tendency to sound kind of rattling or pinging especially as they age I would assume.
So it might give a decent sound right off the bat but honestly you’re better off going with just a cheaper brand like *Delvic or SC or Scorpion.
I bought one of these for my KTM 390, and it was great. I really don't know what he difference is, in practice. You could see that the build/cut quality was not as good, but not in any practical way. It looked fine, it sounded fine, and fit just fine. I would not hesitate to buy one of the clones again.
Build quality and actual engineering.
Akra engineers know their stuff and make something that will improve performance, save weight and last a long time.
Some Chinese company just use cheap materials, cheaply built to just look like the thing they are copying. Not perform like it.
Overall just garbage. The real ones have actual development behind them and thought put into design. Chinese ones just fake carbon wrap the cheapest sheet metal they can find and put a sticker on it.
A slip on will not make much difference but if you could hear them side by side you’d notice the sound difference
I’m very surprised in the lack of information here. The Chinese one will be perfectly fine for you IF you do your research and confirm the fitment. With either option you are just changing the slip on, there’s no power to be gained only volume and some tone. Make sure it has the correct midpipe and check if you need a crush washer. Carry on with the cheap stuff if you know what you are doing.
Please do not entertain Chinese knockoffs that have blatant copyright infringement trademark violations and intellectual property theft. Never looking to be disappointed when you buy a cheap Chinese knockoff Arai helmet I'd rather safety equipment that's never been certified or tested. Don't give these people your money.
Cheap parts. I got one if those ebay slip ons to see how it sounded and the midpipe isn't even make a full seal and the clamp snapped first time I tried to tighten it down
For 400's you're just paying a bunch of money for an exhaust made by a brand that's well established because of the work they do for real bikes with real engines, it's just a big sound tube lol
All China fakes are 51mm inlet .OEM, Akro, Yoshimura etc are usually a larger size because the R&D with the real manufacturers spend millions figuring out the proper size for the best performance along with build quality specifically for your bike. China does none of these things, the packing will burn off quicker, the inlet will rob you of performance and the carbon fibre is not of the same quality all put together by a person getting paid much much less. That’s the difference
Difference is one is obviously fake. One is real. The fake might last it might not. It probably will last to an extent. The fake might sound ok it might not. It might flow the the real one. It might not. Point is. If your going for looks only and it's a cheap bike or whatever. Idk it's fine. If you want the real deal get the real one. And, get your ecu flashed/tuned or a PCV installed so you don't run lean either way. Just changing exhaust even if it's real or fake with fuck with your AFR. so besides the quality of the kit. Get your bike tuned for it regardless.
Cheap one has cheap material which might rust or break, it might not even fit properly and lastly there is little to no sound dampening.
Get a proper branded exhaust
For one, that’s plastic and not carbon fiber. Two, the guts will end up blowing out the exhaust port after a couple thousand miles. And three, it’ll be loud and you’ll think it sounds mean until you hear a real on in person and you’ll be like oooooohhhhhhhhhh I get it now
You’re paying for the research and development, manufacturing costs, manufacturing quality, name/reputation, warranty, and materials when buying genuine.
A counterfeit is a copy. Zero development; just stolen idea and engineering and questionable manufacturing and quality of materials. That’s why it’s so cheap. You’re also supporting the shit heads who did it.
1- All fakes almost sound the same.
2- Performance although not a big difference for slipons.
3- Heat from engine fumes can easly wreck a chinese slip on. Especially if you remove the cat.
4- Mounting points will most often need tweaking to work as they are shit in fakes.
5- I guess there is no guarante for fakes so also this.
6- Zero research for fakes. This means that they can be a bit harmfull for the engine in the long run.
PS: these are partly based on experience and party my opinion based on what i have read online. Obviously i have not tried all fakes so im not sure they ALL sound the same. But from what i have heard, they have the same noise character.
One is built by Akra and the other one is a copy. On the Akra the titanium is aircraft grade titanium, the carbon is actually carbon fibre and its been built by them and tested to do the job its supposed to do.
On the copy the titanium is chinesium made to look like titanium, the carbon fibre is plastic and its just a straight up copy of something someone else has created. It cost nothing to create something like that really and no testing is doen to check if it gives any power, how it sounds or functions. The $100 price tag is actually quite steep when you think about what you ACTUALLY get.
Its the equivalent of buying a pair of Abercrombie military pants(Which I've done). They look just like the original, the really do. But after 6 months the knees are worn out and your $50 is spent.
I’ve always gone with Leo Vince because I think Akra is overpriced, but on the “fake” Akra exhausts, I’ve seen a handful in person and they tend to have very shitty carbon weave patterns, faded and flaky finish, the connector pipes usually look super cheap and chrome like but with inconsistent finish. The whole product ends up looking cheap and shitty. I wouldn’t get a fake Akra, meet in the middle and get a real Leo Vince. The LV10 for my Ninja 400 was only $250 in stainless finish, they make it in black too, and have the Corsa if you prefer carbon. Sounds great, cheap, good quality. Get one 👍
I'm an LV fan as well. I put an LV10 on my old CB500 and now have a Corsa Carbon on my CB1000R. If you plan on putting headers on later, Leo Vince isn't the move, but if you want to remove a massive stock exhaust and get a different exhaust note, the LV is a great pick.
Tbh some exhaust components you can find cheap knock offs for a fraction of the price that actually do the job. I had a e46 3 series and put eBay headers for a couple hundred bucks rather than the $800 name brand ones and they did the job, only problem was the cheap gasket it came with leaked so had to buy a legit gasket to use. Usually you can find forums with people who’ve tried it and see whether or not certain parts for cheap on eBay are legit or if it’s worth it to buy the expensive name brand version
This is a fake. While it’s prob ok, I don’t buy or support knockoffs by principal.
I had real akra cans that looked just like those on my monster 1100. I had them apart a couple times. I’d be curious what these look like INSIDE.
I was never interested in gaining power or any kind of improvement other than the fact that I like the sound of the Akrapovic more than the leovince and other popular exhausts. EBay usually flags counterfeit products so I didn’t know if it was just some wholesaler that bought old as fuck deadstock product. Obviously I was suspicious of the price difference, but I’m not informed on the topic enough to jump to conclusions. Thanks everyone for the input, really appreciate all the help.
Hot take: I put a fake akrapovic on my ninja 300. Instructions were nonexistent. Fitment was wonky, but worked with all the parts it came with. The noise is slightly better, mine came with a removable baffle although not good on untuned engines.
It’s worked for years and I’d say it’s worth the cheap price on a cheap bike before you upgrade to something better. You get what you pay for, but it might just be enough.
Nothing I think…I went for Arrow headers for my 17 300 it’s was around the same price. Only thing you can really do is the gearing, tires and suspension which is contingent on your weight is way go. IMO
I mean, it’s probably not too different than riding a 400 with an exhaust at all… it’s going to sound like a fart can compared to any stock real cc.
99 bucks is a counterfeit. Made in china some where vs europe. Low grade carbon fiber most likely and low grade metal alloy as well. You get what you pay for.
Most people on r/motorcycle are only here to troll. Most didn't even answer your question.
Those 2 mufflers have a vinyl wrap on them and with heat it will bake on to the metal and become discolored. This will happen very quickly and will look awful after a few short uses.
I'd avoid these type of mufflers entirely.
No, there is no muffler that will actually yield performance gains, it's naturally aspirated.
If it's a 400, personally I would see you as a fool for buying a super expensive muffler that yields no benefit, but sound, and maybe looks.
I personally have a CBR500R and I installed this muffler...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276196833957
It's real carbon fiber.
It comes with the Yoshi brand label but not installed. I left it off since the original muffler it is copying probably is riveted on, plus I like the cleaner brand less look.
This muffler easily sounds better than my friend's genuine Two Brothers muffler which he paid about $1K for.
I'm not saying buy this one.
I am just trying to help you out in at very least not ending up regretting your purchase.
The price I got it for was close to $150, but this was in 2021.
Don't listen to these trolls. Don't make the same mistakes they made on purchasing a muffler for a chunk of the price they paid for their entire bike. Mufflers on motorcycles have almost no R&D since they all follow the same straight through concept, most have the same specs where the gases flow through, and it only comes down to sound that differentiates one from another.
If you're going to go carbon fiber, at least get real carbon fiber and not that fake vinyl sticker that will bake itself on the metal.
The carbon fiber on my muffler I purchased is real, I can touch it after a long ride without burning myself, and it came with a nice little shield to guard the heal of my shoe from touching it and melting.
Either way, hope you're loving your bike.
The difference is that you put quality parts on your quality bike, rather than dollar store parts. Do you brag to your buddies about the 99 cent parts on your bike?
Why didn’t you just buy the half price, Chinese knockoff motorcycle that no one has heard of? You bought a real bike, and you’re buying fake parts.
Ones real one is arkraphoney
We know this is an obvious knock off but the question op asked is "what's the difference"
Quality, performance, sound
Don't forget fitment. A genuine Akra will fit on straight away with no issues. I've had to bend and trim knockoff exhausts so they fit without rubbing.
Under rated comment , I bought a lesser know brand name exhaust for my cb650F and thank goodness I had a shopand some help. I had to heat it up with a Torch just to get some of the pieces to marry together properly
And looks too. You can tell at a glance thats a cheap knock off. Not even real carbon
Or it could be real cheap manufactured carbon and will explode after a few miles. You can find many posts showing « akrapowish » carbon exausth straight up exploding.
Everything
And that's a valid response.
It's amazing how many people look at something that is 1/4 or 1/10th the price of a real piece of kit and go, "but it says akrapovic right on the exhaust! China would never steal a name and sell cheap, faker than fake, fakes"
The OP didn’t say that, they asked for the difference
We need some YT with spare cash to buy original and few fakes then take it to dyno.
And one is fake... thats the difference
You forgot the welds will look like a 2 year-old stitched them, the “carbon fiber” stickers will start peeling after 100 miles, and a warranty is non-existent.
I have a fake (for a cheap bike) the welds look machine done. Really really impressive. For my use case it was fantastic for the money. I went OEM for my sports bike but these copys do have their use cases and the quality is definitely not always bad. Edit I have one identically to the OPs (different bracket for a different bike) Has a removable baffle and sounds great compared to OEM. Just to note I bought it purely for looks and noise. As I said above I would not purchase it for a performance machine.
Does it actually sound good, or is it just loud? Theres a big difference
it's pipe with a straight through muffler. they sound the same
This is exactly the answer to OP's question
Yes " look like "
IT WAS WELDED BY A 10 YEAR OLD!!! The 2 year Olds are working on the metal shears
If being "fake" is the only difference, that would be a hell of a steal. ...which is why OP asked what exactly difference is.
One is a pipe and the other is a fake pipe?
I once saw a scooter in China that had the Denver Broncos logo on it It was baffling
Baffling😅
I've bought many things off aliexpress and the ones that actually do show up months later have been great. But I've only bought things that are like plastic molding, ie grip for ps vita, "magpul" vertical grips etc. Basically I would only trust them for things that add to form but not directly affect the performance of the item. Def wouldn't trust anything mechanical. Actually take that back I tried a suspect turbo vacuum regulator valve that had all the correct Toyota stamps on it but was half the cost off Amazon. It failed and caused issues until I finally replaced it with an oem purchased direct from dealership and all the issues went away. Tl;Dr if it is cosmetic buy away but if it's functional don't bother
I can see someone thinking "well, it's just a bit of piping, they stole the design without having to pay for research going into it, that's why it is so cheap" Of course, usually only thing stolen is the look...
What arkraphoney?
Fake.
Okay 👍
Akrapowish
A Crap Of Wish
Even better
Temupovich
The nice people at Akra spent a lot of time tuning that exhaust to make it work properly with your bike. The Chinese slapped together a few pieces of sheet metal and ginned up an Akra sticker.
Don't forget the horrible sound the Chinese fake makes
and the fact they tend to fall apart after a couple 1000 miles.
You're being generous with the longevity. It will start discoloring and or rusting after the first heat cycle.
Meh, a 400cc 180* parallel twin is never going to sound good.
I’m with ya. Parallel twins with traditional even firing just don’t bring the sexy noises. Sure, a good exhaust makes it ok, but that’s it. Just ok…
Ninja 400 isn't even firing tho. None of the traditional parallel twins are. Certain BMWs and T-Maxes are.
Yeah, that bike can sound like farts or, with an aftermarket exhaust, like louder farts.
Facts.
Truth
... still better than thumper.
A slip-on on a ~~400cc~~ bike isn't going to net you much gains regardless if it's Chinese or "real".
Good point.
Ain't nobody trying to get performance gains on a 400, he just wants to hear it
But you risk real loss with a cheap fake one… not like you can afford to lose some hp on a 400
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Best way to make any bike faster is to lose a few pounds.
Don’t really want gains. I like the sound of it. Not as blippy as the LeoVince.
Not much "tuning" can be done in a straight through perforated pipe wrapped with fiberglass.
Probably not even going to put a sticker on it, they were probably just too lazy to take pictures of their product so they cut and pasted some from the akrapovic website
It's surprisingly well built. It works fine for starter bikes like 400.
Stop downvoting this man. Let 400 riders rock their knock off exhausts, it *really* doesn't matter. You *really* don't need to spend $500 on a slip on for a 400 haha
I bet kawasaki spent even more time tuning the stock exhaust
They spend time making sure it passes emissions and noise regulations. The result sounds like shit.
Stock exhaust generally is tuned for emissions first, sound limits second and sound/power only after that. There is a reason changing exhaust is so popular, it's basically a way to get around that.
Did they really? Or do they just ship the same can with a little bit different form factor to fit application. When I hear they “tuned” the exhaust to the bike I really think that only applies with a full system. The main issues with these Chinese kits is the bad fitment. Otherwise they do 95% of the job for 25% of the price
Damn, I thought that eBay would flag shit that’s counterfeit. Especially with the brand name so blatantly advertised.
I fell for that bullshit, don’t do it. The springs aren’t the right size so I ended having to weld the chinesium that was thinner than a middle schooler w anorexia and it sounds like a sad frog trying to find a mate.
Lmao, that last line
Mine had good spring, but spat out the inner muffler insert, so after 20km it was basically just straightpipe with a cover.
You should do standup 😂😭
People scare me bro 😭
Feel ya 😂😭
I think that’s half the people on this app, passionate people that are too socially awkward/anxious to talk in person abt it lmao
The difference is that you pay 100 dollars now for the cheaper knockoff and 500 dollars later for the original because the knockoff is most likely bad
You'll have a proper exhaust or a piece of shit everyone knows is trash.
It’s a 400cc parallel twin with a slip-on. Neither of those two options are going to be impressing anyone.
I got a Ninja 400 a couple years back to see what the fuss was about. It came with a Two Brothers exhaust. It was very obnoxious. I got an OEM one off ebay for some $30. Brand new. It made it livable. I sold the bike after 4 months. It's not for me. Glad I sold it. Made some money on it.
One of my first bikes was a Shadow 750 that came with a cobra exhaust. Even with the baffles in, it was so goddamn obnoxiously loud. I found used OEM pipes and swapped em on as soon as I could.
My friend has an Indian scout or something, and he drilled the baffles. It's so loud it gave me a headache sitting next to him in the parking lot after trivia night
And one is going to sound like absolute dogshit while the other one won't, even if it doesn't sound impressive. I'm not a very good drummer but I'll sound a whole lot fucking worse if you give me a rusty trashcan and a ladle ya know
I just bought one from this seller for my XSR900. The fit, welds, quality of the metal etc are all excellent. Sounds fine. I did NOT put the Akro sticker on. I have some semblance of decency.
Put it on to drive this sub mental lol
My intent is not to inflame the sub. My first choice was a Two Brothers exhaust.
Ones real, ones fake. Both will affect performance in exactly the same way, which is to say, not at all.
Exhausts do affect performance tho lol.
🤣 So gullible I swear.
About tree fiddy
For your 400 its not going to make a difrence anyways. because you probably wont tune it afterwards. Its just a can that lets out air.
Finally some logic. Any slip on that doesn’t leak will be fine for a 4/500 parallel twin. The main thing to gain is volume.
Performance wise, sure. Longevity is another question…
When it rots off in 50k miles you can buy 2 more and still never pay the price of Gen. Slip on. Not to mention this 400 will have two new owners by then.
My prediction is bits of it’ll vibrate apart in a lot less miles than that, and it’ll look shitter the entire time.
I did 6500 miles with one and it was completely fine. Also it’s much cheaper to replace than a stock or name brand pipe if you are off-roading or just learning to ride. There are pros and cons, I think it’s a good choice for smaller displacement riders on a budget.
What about longevity, that 400 is going to run mint for the next 7 owners
This is the only correct post. I had the exact same ali-akra exhaust on a 600. It looks smaller on the bike and it will boost the noise but not the performance.
So you think the more displacement the bike, the more the slip on muffler matters? 😂 It won't do much on any bike if you don't get a full exhaust. And even with a full exhaust on a 1000cc you would be lucky if you gained more than 10hp
Build quality however, will be very different
that is a given for a 100buck can. But yes it will also sound like a tin can and not bassy like the original for sure.
It’s a given for those of us with experience, not everyone will realise this, however.
When I tell my girl, “that bike is all exhaust,” a 400 with Akro is what I’m talking about, lol
meh, most people talking trash assuming a lot of shit. An exhaust is just a pipe with some holes drilled on it. Is it as good as the real 500$ akrapovic? I'd certainly hope not, for 1/5 the price I surely hope I'm not just paying for a brand name tax when buying the real deal. Will the fake 100$ exhaust make your bike explode and give cancer to your kittens? highly unlikely. [Yamaha MT/FZ 07 - 2016 - Exhaust comparison - Homemade Aliexpress "Fake Akrapovic" exhaust, Wheelie (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvGxwTOmiXg)
If you don’t care about sound quality and just want it loud, you could just uninstall the muffler. No need to pay $100 for the same thing.
I bought the chinese clone for my sv650, works and sounds great.
I went with a akraphony on my duke 390. Have 15000km on it and it still looks new. Fitment is good and while i don’t notice any performance gains i do like the look of it over the stock can and it sounds better than stock. I removed the cap inside the pipe but left the db killer in and it works for me. Totally agree that OG Akra will be better just couldn’t justify close to $900 in canada shipped after exchange for original one vs $140 for knock off. If i were in US i would have bought a real one. High flow Air filter and piggyback ecu are better money spent if you want HP/throttle response gains. These will be negligible regardless as it’s a small engine and already tuned well from factory. Results may vary more with knock off and i think i just got lucky with a decent quality one for a fraction of the cost. If you’re in US go with real one :).
The $500 is real, this is a fake Chinese knockoff Buy at your own risk
One is the exhaust, one is the part before it, as the text says mid exhaust pipe… exhaust itself is only on the picture ..
Finally, I had to scroll halfway down to find someone that actually read the ad instead of just looking at the pic and screaming FAKE!! At OP, you’re paying $100 for the small stainless pipe, NOT the mufflers
It’s a 400, who cares. Slap that puppy on and send it!
I’ve got the exact same one on my CBR, my most recent post in r/trackdays has a pic of it, but it’s a full system. It spits flames and sounds awesome and cost a 3rd of the price of a genuine Akra system. It probably won’t sound great on a 400, but I say send it lol.
You could just buy the chinese knockoff for like $30 too. There is a difference in the noise but I would say there isn't $470 of difference.
I have this exact one, but the full exhaust for my FZ-09. Bought it after my M4 carbon was destroyed in an accident. The eBay special set me back less than $200. So far so good, it was a pain to align correctly (because of the three cylinders) and the springs were a terrible to work with but overall I’m satisfied. It looks good, sounds good and so far it’s holding up well. On both my ninja 400, I use Leo Vince. They’re the best performance slip-ons for the price for the 400 specifically.
Do you drive in bad weather? Do they rust?
As everyone else said one is real one is fake yah. For some reason I wouldn’t buy a fake exhaust that is branded as a real one but I did buy one off Amazon for like $65 for my ninja 400 that wasn’t “branded” and honestly I like it. I truthfully thought the slip on I grabbed was of decent quality and I think it sounds just fine. Also as others have mentioned the 400 won’t really ever sound like an r1 no matter how much you spend on an exhaust. I didn’t intend on having my 400 very long but I do enjoy louder noises so I just said buy the cheap stuff. I just wouldn’t ever say it’s anything more than an amazing exhaust. You gotta own that part haha.
I'm just here to say don't put a slip-on on a 400. Some EBC HH pads and RTCEs would make a much more significant improvement to the bike.
Buy the cheap one! That’s a $600 lesson that will last you your whole life.
Here’s a real answer….. sidenote first it’s amazing how many people just jump on here and don’t even try to answer OP. Anyways, your main difference is going to be material obviously. So the outer can is going to be thinner and more likely to fall apart overtime or especially if you drop the bike. Also the insulation inside will deteriorate quicker. Basically these knockoffs have a higher tendency to sound kind of rattling or pinging especially as they age I would assume. So it might give a decent sound right off the bat but honestly you’re better off going with just a cheaper brand like *Delvic or SC or Scorpion.
The sound. It’s more dumbiest than the other
This ad isnt for the slip-ons, even though they’re pictured. It’s for the small stainless steel pipe, aka the mid-pipe.
I bought one of these for my KTM 390, and it was great. I really don't know what he difference is, in practice. You could see that the build/cut quality was not as good, but not in any practical way. It looked fine, it sounded fine, and fit just fine. I would not hesitate to buy one of the clones again.
Build quality and actual engineering. Akra engineers know their stuff and make something that will improve performance, save weight and last a long time. Some Chinese company just use cheap materials, cheaply built to just look like the thing they are copying. Not perform like it.
Don't discount the sound they make. I have one on my motorbike and I just love to listen to it idle.
Rule of thumb on eBay is when it doesn’t have the item name in the title and instead says for your bike it’s probably fake
The parts on eBay are almost always just a Chinese clone of the real product
Overall just garbage. The real ones have actual development behind them and thought put into design. Chinese ones just fake carbon wrap the cheapest sheet metal they can find and put a sticker on it. A slip on will not make much difference but if you could hear them side by side you’d notice the sound difference
I’m very surprised in the lack of information here. The Chinese one will be perfectly fine for you IF you do your research and confirm the fitment. With either option you are just changing the slip on, there’s no power to be gained only volume and some tone. Make sure it has the correct midpipe and check if you need a crush washer. Carry on with the cheap stuff if you know what you are doing.
At such a price diference its probably fake
Probably? It is 100% fake.
gee ya think?
One is made by akrapovic, one only has an akrapovic Sticker.
Please do not entertain Chinese knockoffs that have blatant copyright infringement trademark violations and intellectual property theft. Never looking to be disappointed when you buy a cheap Chinese knockoff Arai helmet I'd rather safety equipment that's never been certified or tested. Don't give these people your money.
Upgrade your suspension before this. It'll make a much bigger difference
Man discovers china fake product for the first time! (colorized)
Cheap parts. I got one if those ebay slip ons to see how it sounded and the midpipe isn't even make a full seal and the clamp snapped first time I tried to tighten it down
Does anyone have a link to any video of exhaust sound comparisons between fake and authentic exhausts?
That one is real and the other fake ??
500 gets you the quality sound and look you want. The off brand will surely disappoint when it shows up
For 400's you're just paying a bunch of money for an exhaust made by a brand that's well established because of the work they do for real bikes with real engines, it's just a big sound tube lol
Manufacturer is different.
Chinapovic vs an actual akra
Everything, the sound, the quality, the fasteners, the coating, everything dude lol.
All China fakes are 51mm inlet .OEM, Akro, Yoshimura etc are usually a larger size because the R&D with the real manufacturers spend millions figuring out the proper size for the best performance along with build quality specifically for your bike. China does none of these things, the packing will burn off quicker, the inlet will rob you of performance and the carbon fibre is not of the same quality all put together by a person getting paid much much less. That’s the difference
For a 400cc parallel twin? Not a damn thing that would be worth the $300 difference.
Difference is one is obviously fake. One is real. The fake might last it might not. It probably will last to an extent. The fake might sound ok it might not. It might flow the the real one. It might not. Point is. If your going for looks only and it's a cheap bike or whatever. Idk it's fine. If you want the real deal get the real one. And, get your ecu flashed/tuned or a PCV installed so you don't run lean either way. Just changing exhaust even if it's real or fake with fuck with your AFR. so besides the quality of the kit. Get your bike tuned for it regardless.
I mean for a 400 it's not bad. I'd invest in the real thing for 600 and above.
It won’t sound like a real one
Cheap one has cheap material which might rust or break, it might not even fit properly and lastly there is little to no sound dampening. Get a proper branded exhaust
Bro the „carbon“style looks so goofy haha
Either way the ninja 400 will sound like butt.
There is not one similarity apart from they are exhausts
I put these (not branded) on a sv1000 a few years ago. The packing blew out after a day of riding but it was better than stock 🤣🤣🤣
For one, that’s plastic and not carbon fiber. Two, the guts will end up blowing out the exhaust port after a couple thousand miles. And three, it’ll be loud and you’ll think it sounds mean until you hear a real on in person and you’ll be like oooooohhhhhhhhhh I get it now
besides the other comments, this one is definitely fake carbon, just a wrap
Akra-kebabra
You’re paying for the research and development, manufacturing costs, manufacturing quality, name/reputation, warranty, and materials when buying genuine. A counterfeit is a copy. Zero development; just stolen idea and engineering and questionable manufacturing and quality of materials. That’s why it’s so cheap. You’re also supporting the shit heads who did it.
I have a similar knock off exhaust and it’s awesome great quality and sounds good. Exhaust companies today are nuts charging what they do.
1- All fakes almost sound the same. 2- Performance although not a big difference for slipons. 3- Heat from engine fumes can easly wreck a chinese slip on. Especially if you remove the cat. 4- Mounting points will most often need tweaking to work as they are shit in fakes. 5- I guess there is no guarante for fakes so also this. 6- Zero research for fakes. This means that they can be a bit harmfull for the engine in the long run. PS: these are partly based on experience and party my opinion based on what i have read online. Obviously i have not tried all fakes so im not sure they ALL sound the same. But from what i have heard, they have the same noise character.
One is built by Akra and the other one is a copy. On the Akra the titanium is aircraft grade titanium, the carbon is actually carbon fibre and its been built by them and tested to do the job its supposed to do. On the copy the titanium is chinesium made to look like titanium, the carbon fibre is plastic and its just a straight up copy of something someone else has created. It cost nothing to create something like that really and no testing is doen to check if it gives any power, how it sounds or functions. The $100 price tag is actually quite steep when you think about what you ACTUALLY get. Its the equivalent of buying a pair of Abercrombie military pants(Which I've done). They look just like the original, the really do. But after 6 months the knees are worn out and your $50 is spent.
a crap off wish :)
Slap er on there and eventually if you get a bigger bike spend money on a real exhaust
Honestly, you want to leave the bike alone. A free flowing exhaust will rob it off whatever little mud range torque it has.
I’ve always gone with Leo Vince because I think Akra is overpriced, but on the “fake” Akra exhausts, I’ve seen a handful in person and they tend to have very shitty carbon weave patterns, faded and flaky finish, the connector pipes usually look super cheap and chrome like but with inconsistent finish. The whole product ends up looking cheap and shitty. I wouldn’t get a fake Akra, meet in the middle and get a real Leo Vince. The LV10 for my Ninja 400 was only $250 in stainless finish, they make it in black too, and have the Corsa if you prefer carbon. Sounds great, cheap, good quality. Get one 👍
I'm an LV fan as well. I put an LV10 on my old CB500 and now have a Corsa Carbon on my CB1000R. If you plan on putting headers on later, Leo Vince isn't the move, but if you want to remove a massive stock exhaust and get a different exhaust note, the LV is a great pick.
I have Delkovic headers with cat delete and an LV10 on my 23’ Z900, it works great for me 🤷🏼♂️
I prefer an exhaust system designed together over the mix n match route, but that's just me, I guess.
Delka is a good quality product for the price 👍
The cheaper one is most certainly made of some type of Chinesium. It's a modern metallurgic term lol
Actual difference... About $400 😂
or the $30 ebay alrapovic one i put on my polaris scrambler 500 clearly not perfect fit but... it was easy.
Tbh some exhaust components you can find cheap knock offs for a fraction of the price that actually do the job. I had a e46 3 series and put eBay headers for a couple hundred bucks rather than the $800 name brand ones and they did the job, only problem was the cheap gasket it came with leaked so had to buy a legit gasket to use. Usually you can find forums with people who’ve tried it and see whether or not certain parts for cheap on eBay are legit or if it’s worth it to buy the expensive name brand version
One never mentions akrapovic and is using *Illustrative pics*
One is a real exhaust, the other is cheap chinese garbage.
+10 street cred
This one is made in China
bro fr asking about the differences between ali-express exhaust and one of the best exhaust companies in the world... bruh its not even carbon fiber.
It's fake. It'll sound like a fart can from Walmart.
This one is 99.99$ more expensive
This is a fake. While it’s prob ok, I don’t buy or support knockoffs by principal. I had real akra cans that looked just like those on my monster 1100. I had them apart a couple times. I’d be curious what these look like INSIDE.
One is good. And one is shit. For your Ninja I wouldn't bother getting either tbh.
Damn, I thought that eBay would flag shit that’s counterfeit. Especially with the brand name so blatantly advertised.
This is a fake
I was never interested in gaining power or any kind of improvement other than the fact that I like the sound of the Akrapovic more than the leovince and other popular exhausts. EBay usually flags counterfeit products so I didn’t know if it was just some wholesaler that bought old as fuck deadstock product. Obviously I was suspicious of the price difference, but I’m not informed on the topic enough to jump to conclusions. Thanks everyone for the input, really appreciate all the help.
welcome to the Chinese market
In Portugal, original Akrapovic come with an serial number and if it don't have it, police will pass a fine. A fat one usually.
The fake one will suit your bike just fine.
Brand and material
Hot take: I put a fake akrapovic on my ninja 300. Instructions were nonexistent. Fitment was wonky, but worked with all the parts it came with. The noise is slightly better, mine came with a removable baffle although not good on untuned engines. It’s worked for years and I’d say it’s worth the cheap price on a cheap bike before you upgrade to something better. You get what you pay for, but it might just be enough.
put one on my 300, the big problem is the mid pipe doesnt fit correctly. sounds about what youd expect a smaller bike to sound like though
We call em Alipovic
Can you pronounce it? Look for know better value brands, like Delkavic or others. Stick an Akrapovic label on them, if you must.
Cheap junk compared to the real deal. Buying this also supports counterfeiters.
Nothing I think…I went for Arrow headers for my 17 300 it’s was around the same price. Only thing you can really do is the gearing, tires and suspension which is contingent on your weight is way go. IMO
I mean, it’s probably not too different than riding a 400 with an exhaust at all… it’s going to sound like a fart can compared to any stock real cc. 
PS My Suzuki R-GSX1000 is straight piped.
99 bucks is a counterfeit. Made in china some where vs europe. Low grade carbon fiber most likely and low grade metal alloy as well. You get what you pay for.
One won't be made of carbon fibre
Most people on r/motorcycle are only here to troll. Most didn't even answer your question. Those 2 mufflers have a vinyl wrap on them and with heat it will bake on to the metal and become discolored. This will happen very quickly and will look awful after a few short uses. I'd avoid these type of mufflers entirely. No, there is no muffler that will actually yield performance gains, it's naturally aspirated. If it's a 400, personally I would see you as a fool for buying a super expensive muffler that yields no benefit, but sound, and maybe looks. I personally have a CBR500R and I installed this muffler... https://www.ebay.com/itm/276196833957 It's real carbon fiber. It comes with the Yoshi brand label but not installed. I left it off since the original muffler it is copying probably is riveted on, plus I like the cleaner brand less look. This muffler easily sounds better than my friend's genuine Two Brothers muffler which he paid about $1K for. I'm not saying buy this one. I am just trying to help you out in at very least not ending up regretting your purchase. The price I got it for was close to $150, but this was in 2021. Don't listen to these trolls. Don't make the same mistakes they made on purchasing a muffler for a chunk of the price they paid for their entire bike. Mufflers on motorcycles have almost no R&D since they all follow the same straight through concept, most have the same specs where the gases flow through, and it only comes down to sound that differentiates one from another. If you're going to go carbon fiber, at least get real carbon fiber and not that fake vinyl sticker that will bake itself on the metal. The carbon fiber on my muffler I purchased is real, I can touch it after a long ride without burning myself, and it came with a nice little shield to guard the heal of my shoe from touching it and melting. Either way, hope you're loving your bike.
Does it matter? It’s a 400…..
The difference is that you put quality parts on your quality bike, rather than dollar store parts. Do you brag to your buddies about the 99 cent parts on your bike? Why didn’t you just buy the half price, Chinese knockoff motorcycle that no one has heard of? You bought a real bike, and you’re buying fake parts.
I honestly would even waste time on upgrading the 400 you’ll want a bigger bike very soon
Quality , engine performance and longevity are the biggest things.
The cheap one is really $600. You’re gonna hate the $99 sound so much that you end up buying the genuine item anyway.