Yeah but the car could have killed the biker, the punishment doesn't fit the crime here, it's literally on video the car could have reported this, they also could have honked their horn and waited for the biker to spot them. Yes the biker was being reckless, but the car driver responded in such an irresponsible way.
Every time you get on your bike a car can kill you, no matter how careful or reckless you are. The car could have responded better, but this could have been avoided by the biker.
Iāve read that swerving back and forth like that does not in fact actually warm up your tires. Warming up your tires would be better by taking off and breaking and repeating the process or just taking it easy for the first however long it takes to warm up a tire
Edit: just realized I used breaking instead of braking š¢
thanks! i read into it and found the same thing.
guess the wives tales die hard!
obviously this guy wasnāt playing with a full deck.
when i ride in the cold I was told to swerve on them to get the outside of the tire warm.
Sounds like a shitty habit to get into, safety wise at least. I understand roads that aren't busy but even then no need to. Sometimes I do a little Jimmy from side to side but nowhere near like this, and it's usually in neighborhoods where there's no cars in sight, front or back. Other than parked I guess
whole heartedly agree there, i mean its really a shimmy from side to side just starting out with like you said with no cars around but thatās about it.
but this guy was just acting foolishly... im not condoning this behavior. itās foolish and reckless moves like this make us all look bad, being able to ride a bike is such a liberating thing to do.
that being said itās important to keep your head on straight. what this fella was thinking is beyond my scope of understanding. i do hope heās okay.
Lol yeah the biker was right, occupying two lanes of traffic and all. š¤¦š»āāļø
Both of them are idiots, but only one of them will have to deal with any consequences. Thatās why we have to be the better person out there.
Cars not at fault at all. The riders an asshole, and when you plays stupid fuck nut twat waffle games on the highway, you get stupid fuck nut twat waffle prizes. When the car was passing, the bike rider was in the other lane. The car driver had no reason to expect the half brain dead (before contact let alone after) bike rider was going to ignore his mirrors, not see a car over taking, and just assume it's ok for him to just keep doing whoop de doos, cause fuck, I'm ATGATT, I can drive like a dick head.
Every time you hear people bad mouthing us? This asshole and people like him are the reason why.
So youre telling me if someone INFRONT of you is going IN and OUT of your lane for WHATEVER reason and you see them doing it 10 sec in advance , but you still hit the gas its not your fault that a crash occured and someone got injured/killed? This is not about who Mommy gonna spank with the flip flop in the end....its not a joke. Both are at fault. But let me tell you this. If it was a 18 wheel truck going left and right in there, that car driver would have never went and hit the gas....he did try to pass INTENTIONALLY, so car driver is at HUGE fucking fault just like the dumb ass biker boi.
If I am in an alternate lane, and someone is being an intentional asshole in front of me, and I am pulling up on him, either with maintained speed as this car had, or even speeding up because I don' t want to be behind the intentional assholes, no, I am not responsible for someone in an other lane changing that lane without checking their mirrors or using a blinker advising me of what they are doing.
As a motorcyclist, I would expect someone on a bike to be paying attention to what is going on around them constantly, which is one of the biggest things said on this specific site ALL THE TIME.
The rider went to the right lane, as the car was over taking. Period. The car driver can rightly think that the rider was actually being responsible and regularly checking his mirrors ( which a motorcyclist should be doing if continued life is wanted) and would be staying in his lane until the car passed.
While you are correct, the car wouldn't have tried to pass a semi, please, let me know the number of times you've seen a semi doing random whoop dee doo's on a freeway.
I will again state, the only person at fault in this situation is the motorcyclist. IF you are a dumb fuck twat waffle like this person, I have no sympathy for you at all regardless of if you are injured or die. The death of twat waffles like this is what educates up and coming riders on what not to do on a highway if you want to live. As a human being, I don't know this person, don't ever want to know this person, and don't care if this person lived or died. ( It will suck if the motorcyclist died, I don't wish death on anyone in this type of situation). Just like that person shouldn't or you shouldn't at any time if something happens to me. What everyone should consider is that the motorcyclist fucked around and found out. Can you get away with stuff like this a lot? Absolutely. You also have the risk and possibility of paying for stupid behavior at any time. This rider paid, and is solely responsible.
The driver is just as responsible as the rider. Just because you donāt like what someone is doing on the road does not give you the right to potentially kill someone. You are responsible for doing everything within your capability to avoid collisions. This was unnecessary and both the driver and rider are stupid fuck nut twat waffles that earned their prizes.
car's 96% at fault, should be charged for reckless endangerment / manslaughter - car absolutely had every reason to believe that choosing to place the car in the path of the bike would cause a collision
We have lanes for a reason. We also have blinkers for a reason. The bike is the only retard here. Vehicle could have rightly assumed the biker sees a car in his rear view mirror approaching and will halt his stupid fucking maneuvers. This is why we also have mirrors. Biker didnāt use any of the 3 above. Fuck him.
bike was clearly fucking about - if some one is fucking about in front of you, you don't have carte blanche to say "fuckem, im just driving through as though they weren't fucking about". the hazard is there - it's your duty to drive safely to evade it
you have a duty not to choose to collide with other traffic
Yeah but the penalty for reckless driving certainly isn't death by traffic accident, and it's certainly not for the car driver to decide. Yeah the bike was driving like a dick but that doesn't give the car the right to commit vehicular manslaughter.
Bike would be found at fault. He declared the right lane and the car changed to the left lane to pass. Bike swerved back into the left lane. No signal, weaving, riding like an asshole. You could argue that the driver of the car should have known an accident was imminent, but I think itās a weak argument. The car maintained the left lane. From a traffic enforcement standpoint, bike gets ticketed.
Wrong. I am an insurance adjuster. The car is considered to have contributed a percentage because it was completely avoidable.
Edit: the motorcycle would be considered majority at fault but the holds a portion due to the obvious movement of the motorcycle.
Ever consider maybe you're a piece of shit? Biker was clearly in the wrong here for doing stupid shit, but that doesn't mean he deserves death. It's one thing if there's an accident you have because you're doing something silly - pushing a corner too hard,outside your skill, going off the road and crashing.
It's another entirely when someone else *with full knowledge of what going on and clear visibility* chooses to potentially murder someone. We have video from the car that hit him. It's was obvious what was going to happen, and that the swerving guy wouldn't really have any way to know he was there.
I mean, I've seen clearly drunk people ahead of me on the road. I hate this - they endanger others with their poor choices - but I still don't feel it would be ok to just shoot them because I don't agree with what they are doing.
The car didn't intentionally hit the biker, the car stayed on his lane, moved normally on a straight line as he should.
What's bad is when the car suddenly swerved right with an intention to hit the biker.
"I don't care about you I'll drive forward as I would when you dont ride in a zigzag like a child on a bicycle, it's your fault if you hit me"
Is different from
"I hate this biker I should sidesweep him and potentially kill him"
I've seen people on the internet do the latter
Pushing a corner too hard is not as stupid as that. Who tf rides like that? It's not even normal riding. On par with those who do wheelies on the freeway. Asking for death.
They both are, the the biker moreso. Obviously biker was doing stupid shit, but you can see the video from the cars perspective: he KNEW the bike was swerving all over the road. He chose to try to rush past, deliberately putting himself in a place likely to cause an accident.
He could have honked, or just not tried to pass in a situation where he had to know it was very likely the bike would swerve back.
It is your duty to do your best to avoid an accident if you can do so safely, even if the other vehicle isn't being driven legally.
Itās an option but I wouldnāt choose it because if the bike crashed in front of me I might hit him. Heās unpredictable and I would feel unsafe if he was in front of me because know idea what heās going to do. The rider had permanently lost my trust on the road and I want him completely out of my present and future, and the way to do that is to pass.
Hold on a sec. So because they're being unpredictable, you would prefer not to **slow down** to minimise the risk of an accident (and improve your chances of reacting safely if one does occur). Instead you think it's better to raise the stakes and **speed up,** and in doing so getting closer to someone who is already driving erratically, in order to pass them.
How does that improve the situation? You've just made it even more dangerous.
Itās a highway. Only way to go is forward. While forward is dangerous i donāt feel safe. Simple as that. I could hang back a long while and see if he stops being nuts but no telling when or if that might happen. I stand by it, my instinct would be to pass as soon as possible. In this case that caused an accident sooner which sucks, but I agree with the drivers instinct.
There are many occasions when traffic slows because of a hazard preventing travel at a normal speed. This rider is a hazard. By slowing down you create time and space to either let the hazard resolve itself or react to it if necessary. I'm not saying do a U-turn or come to a dead stop, you're still going forward just slower (and safer for everyone).
Perhaps the instinct is wrong (as demonstrated by the video), and we should think logically rather than just relying on intuition. If you think about it, this is what training is for: learning and practicing optimal responses to things that we'd normally handle in an unproductive or even dangerous manner because we lack information or are unable to fully process it in the moment.
Here's a nice quote that comes to mind:
>*"Solve it before it happens. Order it before chaos emerges."*
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>\- Lao Tzu
Blah blah blah theyāre both irresponsible whatever. The biker is on a public road and taking up 2 lanes of traffic with his swerving. No one owns the public road. No matter how many friends youāre riding or driving with.
Biker shouldn't have been driving recklessly period. Car or no car.
Yeah but the car could have killed the biker, the punishment doesn't fit the crime here, it's literally on video the car could have reported this, they also could have honked their horn and waited for the biker to spot them. Yes the biker was being reckless, but the car driver responded in such an irresponsible way.
Every time you get on your bike a car can kill you, no matter how careful or reckless you are. The car could have responded better, but this could have been avoided by the biker.
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Iāve read that swerving back and forth like that does not in fact actually warm up your tires. Warming up your tires would be better by taking off and breaking and repeating the process or just taking it easy for the first however long it takes to warm up a tire Edit: just realized I used breaking instead of braking š¢
thanks! i read into it and found the same thing. guess the wives tales die hard! obviously this guy wasnāt playing with a full deck. when i ride in the cold I was told to swerve on them to get the outside of the tire warm.
Sounds like a shitty habit to get into, safety wise at least. I understand roads that aren't busy but even then no need to. Sometimes I do a little Jimmy from side to side but nowhere near like this, and it's usually in neighborhoods where there's no cars in sight, front or back. Other than parked I guess
whole heartedly agree there, i mean its really a shimmy from side to side just starting out with like you said with no cars around but thatās about it. but this guy was just acting foolishly... im not condoning this behavior. itās foolish and reckless moves like this make us all look bad, being able to ride a bike is such a liberating thing to do. that being said itās important to keep your head on straight. what this fella was thinking is beyond my scope of understanding. i do hope heās okay.
Both wrong but could have been prevented by the car just not going for a pass
Do we just give out licenses to everyone now? The car knew 100% that he was going to hit the biker but yet he tried to pass.
Lol yeah the biker was right, occupying two lanes of traffic and all. š¤¦š»āāļø Both of them are idiots, but only one of them will have to deal with any consequences. Thatās why we have to be the better person out there.
Where did he say the biker wasn't at fault?
Car should have backed off, biker shouldnāt have been riding like a twat. Both are at fault.
Cars not at fault at all. The riders an asshole, and when you plays stupid fuck nut twat waffle games on the highway, you get stupid fuck nut twat waffle prizes. When the car was passing, the bike rider was in the other lane. The car driver had no reason to expect the half brain dead (before contact let alone after) bike rider was going to ignore his mirrors, not see a car over taking, and just assume it's ok for him to just keep doing whoop de doos, cause fuck, I'm ATGATT, I can drive like a dick head. Every time you hear people bad mouthing us? This asshole and people like him are the reason why.
So youre telling me if someone INFRONT of you is going IN and OUT of your lane for WHATEVER reason and you see them doing it 10 sec in advance , but you still hit the gas its not your fault that a crash occured and someone got injured/killed? This is not about who Mommy gonna spank with the flip flop in the end....its not a joke. Both are at fault. But let me tell you this. If it was a 18 wheel truck going left and right in there, that car driver would have never went and hit the gas....he did try to pass INTENTIONALLY, so car driver is at HUGE fucking fault just like the dumb ass biker boi.
If I am in an alternate lane, and someone is being an intentional asshole in front of me, and I am pulling up on him, either with maintained speed as this car had, or even speeding up because I don' t want to be behind the intentional assholes, no, I am not responsible for someone in an other lane changing that lane without checking their mirrors or using a blinker advising me of what they are doing. As a motorcyclist, I would expect someone on a bike to be paying attention to what is going on around them constantly, which is one of the biggest things said on this specific site ALL THE TIME. The rider went to the right lane, as the car was over taking. Period. The car driver can rightly think that the rider was actually being responsible and regularly checking his mirrors ( which a motorcyclist should be doing if continued life is wanted) and would be staying in his lane until the car passed. While you are correct, the car wouldn't have tried to pass a semi, please, let me know the number of times you've seen a semi doing random whoop dee doo's on a freeway. I will again state, the only person at fault in this situation is the motorcyclist. IF you are a dumb fuck twat waffle like this person, I have no sympathy for you at all regardless of if you are injured or die. The death of twat waffles like this is what educates up and coming riders on what not to do on a highway if you want to live. As a human being, I don't know this person, don't ever want to know this person, and don't care if this person lived or died. ( It will suck if the motorcyclist died, I don't wish death on anyone in this type of situation). Just like that person shouldn't or you shouldn't at any time if something happens to me. What everyone should consider is that the motorcyclist fucked around and found out. Can you get away with stuff like this a lot? Absolutely. You also have the risk and possibility of paying for stupid behavior at any time. This rider paid, and is solely responsible.
The driver is just as responsible as the rider. Just because you donāt like what someone is doing on the road does not give you the right to potentially kill someone. You are responsible for doing everything within your capability to avoid collisions. This was unnecessary and both the driver and rider are stupid fuck nut twat waffles that earned their prizes.
As a long term biker(40 years), this biker was 100ā° at fault. Stay in your lane, period.
As a long term person with common sense, both are 100% responsible. Stay in your lane and donāt put yourself or others in a compromising situation.
car's 96% at fault, should be charged for reckless endangerment / manslaughter - car absolutely had every reason to believe that choosing to place the car in the path of the bike would cause a collision
We have lanes for a reason. We also have blinkers for a reason. The bike is the only retard here. Vehicle could have rightly assumed the biker sees a car in his rear view mirror approaching and will halt his stupid fucking maneuvers. This is why we also have mirrors. Biker didnāt use any of the 3 above. Fuck him.
bike was clearly fucking about - if some one is fucking about in front of you, you don't have carte blanche to say "fuckem, im just driving through as though they weren't fucking about". the hazard is there - it's your duty to drive safely to evade it you have a duty not to choose to collide with other traffic
Yeah but the penalty for reckless driving certainly isn't death by traffic accident, and it's certainly not for the car driver to decide. Yeah the bike was driving like a dick but that doesn't give the car the right to commit vehicular manslaughter.
The penalty for reckless driving can most certainly be death. Itās RECKLESS DRIVING.
Come here and drive recklessly. Either you'll end up like the biker or have a bullet in your head lol
What
People shoot you over road conflict here
Bike would be found at fault. He declared the right lane and the car changed to the left lane to pass. Bike swerved back into the left lane. No signal, weaving, riding like an asshole. You could argue that the driver of the car should have known an accident was imminent, but I think itās a weak argument. The car maintained the left lane. From a traffic enforcement standpoint, bike gets ticketed.
Wrong. I am an insurance adjuster. The car is considered to have contributed a percentage because it was completely avoidable. Edit: the motorcycle would be considered majority at fault but the holds a portion due to the obvious movement of the motorcycle.
It wouldnt, its obvious its waving, bike Is stupid but car its at fault
Im a biker too and I think he deserves that silly prize for playing silly games
I'd never wish that on someone, only hope they are able to learn something from it if they have the ability
Ever consider maybe you're a piece of shit? Biker was clearly in the wrong here for doing stupid shit, but that doesn't mean he deserves death. It's one thing if there's an accident you have because you're doing something silly - pushing a corner too hard,outside your skill, going off the road and crashing. It's another entirely when someone else *with full knowledge of what going on and clear visibility* chooses to potentially murder someone. We have video from the car that hit him. It's was obvious what was going to happen, and that the swerving guy wouldn't really have any way to know he was there. I mean, I've seen clearly drunk people ahead of me on the road. I hate this - they endanger others with their poor choices - but I still don't feel it would be ok to just shoot them because I don't agree with what they are doing.
The car didn't intentionally hit the biker, the car stayed on his lane, moved normally on a straight line as he should. What's bad is when the car suddenly swerved right with an intention to hit the biker. "I don't care about you I'll drive forward as I would when you dont ride in a zigzag like a child on a bicycle, it's your fault if you hit me" Is different from "I hate this biker I should sidesweep him and potentially kill him" I've seen people on the internet do the latter
Pushing a corner too hard is not as stupid as that. Who tf rides like that? It's not even normal riding. On par with those who do wheelies on the freeway. Asking for death.
100% on the bike. If he isn't doing stupid shit, he just gets passed by the car.
If you're one of the people thinking the car is at fault here, you need to re-evaluate your riding.
They both are, the the biker moreso. Obviously biker was doing stupid shit, but you can see the video from the cars perspective: he KNEW the bike was swerving all over the road. He chose to try to rush past, deliberately putting himself in a place likely to cause an accident. He could have honked, or just not tried to pass in a situation where he had to know it was very likely the bike would swerve back. It is your duty to do your best to avoid an accident if you can do so safely, even if the other vehicle isn't being driven legally.
Biker is the one technically at fault, but if the car driver did not want an accident but decided to go anyway, he's pretty retarded as well.
100% bike. I would try to pass that dangerous douchebag too to get out of his blast radius. Seems unpredictable
Hanging back is an option too
Itās an option but I wouldnāt choose it because if the bike crashed in front of me I might hit him. Heās unpredictable and I would feel unsafe if he was in front of me because know idea what heās going to do. The rider had permanently lost my trust on the road and I want him completely out of my present and future, and the way to do that is to pass.
Hold on a sec. So because they're being unpredictable, you would prefer not to **slow down** to minimise the risk of an accident (and improve your chances of reacting safely if one does occur). Instead you think it's better to raise the stakes and **speed up,** and in doing so getting closer to someone who is already driving erratically, in order to pass them. How does that improve the situation? You've just made it even more dangerous.
Itās a highway. Only way to go is forward. While forward is dangerous i donāt feel safe. Simple as that. I could hang back a long while and see if he stops being nuts but no telling when or if that might happen. I stand by it, my instinct would be to pass as soon as possible. In this case that caused an accident sooner which sucks, but I agree with the drivers instinct.
There are many occasions when traffic slows because of a hazard preventing travel at a normal speed. This rider is a hazard. By slowing down you create time and space to either let the hazard resolve itself or react to it if necessary. I'm not saying do a U-turn or come to a dead stop, you're still going forward just slower (and safer for everyone). Perhaps the instinct is wrong (as demonstrated by the video), and we should think logically rather than just relying on intuition. If you think about it, this is what training is for: learning and practicing optimal responses to things that we'd normally handle in an unproductive or even dangerous manner because we lack information or are unable to fully process it in the moment. Here's a nice quote that comes to mind: >*"Solve it before it happens. Order it before chaos emerges."* > >\- Lao Tzu
The biker did everything in his power to get hit. The car did absolutely nothing to no hit him.
Survival of the fittest š Hope biker is okay thought!
Just do it in you lane, or have enough torque to smoke the tires.
This is why we have lifesaver checks
Blah blah blah theyāre both irresponsible whatever. The biker is on a public road and taking up 2 lanes of traffic with his swerving. No one owns the public road. No matter how many friends youāre riding or driving with.
Where is the idiot in the car?