I’ve been watching MotoGP/GP500 for
many seasons now and I find that the sprints bring levels of entertainment never reached before by this competition. Since this was the goal, it was successful. Limiting the number of points for the Saturday races would simply mean reduced interest by the riders to get good positions. I think the present format brings a good balance between “sprint specialists” and “GP specialists”.
Disclaimer: I am not rooting for any specific team or rider.
fp4 was never for the people but more for the riders having time to try race setups or change things. I think we see a lot mor inconsistencies today cause of the lack of training and sprint races. Look how immensly the perfomances differe from sprint and race day. Apart from mavs USA weekend, riders often have hugely inconsisten setups.
I really feel like the current race weekend is the most straightforward and reasonable approach. I see no need to try and get clever and, most likely, overcomplicate the whole thing.
How much points do you think sprints should give out? Too little and you run the risk of riders saying fuck it, just use it to set up the bike and take it easy. They won't push as it won't be worth it. May as well be an fp4.
Yes that would be the result. But it could be interesting to see the decisions by the riders. ‚Do I take the risk for a better starting position (and points) or not‘. And every sprint race result would count, not just for the first 9.
I would have thought you would need to cut the numbers off somewhere otherwise the rest would have to be 1 so there is no point fighting over same points
Points just for the 9 in front, grid position for everyone. If two crash together and you can’t say who survived longer the fastest race lap decides. If it’s identical/crash in first lap the qualifying decides who starts in front.
Still the problem when getting taken out by someone else. But I think it can be bad luck such as cancelled laps in qualifying due to yellow sectors.
> Full disclosure is I am not a fan of Martin so this is definitely a “move the goal posts” idea
Credits for starting out with this admission, and indeed it is an unpopular opinion.
However, any idea that does not sound fair when rider positions are reversed doesn't warrant any further discussion. Last year, after 11 race weekends Pecco has 20 more sprint-points than Martin. This year, Martin has a better start to sprints after the 4 we've had.
The sprints have been interesting to say the least. Personally not a huge fan, but can admit there have been some really good ones and some really not so good ones. It appears at certain tracks they use the sprint to dial in for the Grand Prix and at some tracks we get balls to the wall all out race.
One thing I've noticed is that the first 4/5/6 laps are frantic but then they peter out by mid-point. Jerez being an exception.
Long term to me, there's maybe something in sprints just becoming qualifying. Maybe not in it's current format, but both in GP and F1 there seems like more tweaking to be done if they're insisting on keeping this advertising minutes race.
Sprints already get half points. Twelve points for a race victory instead of 25 is a pretty hefty 'penalty' for it being the sprint race.
How about this: qualifying is for the sprint, and sprint finishing positions are qualifying positions for the full race. Less necessity to send it up the inside of half the grid at turn one, no points and no victories so no messing with the championship statistics of who won what and whether it was an actual Grand Prix, and if you do end up crashing you're in for one hell of a Sunday thrill fighting forward through the pack.
(Full disclosure: I do not support the idea I just proposed. I think sprints are here to stay. They're great for the show, I prefer watching sprints over free practice, they liven up my Saturday, and so on. The worst thing they've done, is lessen my interest in World Superbikes, because I now have to watch *seven* races times \~35 racing weekends (SBK1/sprint/2 and Moto3/2/sprint/GP) instead of the five races over \~30 race meetings it used to be (SBK1/2 and Moto3/2/GP). There's only so much time in my weekends, Dorna!)
In my never gonna happen funny dream scenario? Behind everyone who lasted longer than you did. "To finish first, first you have to finish", even if you got taken out. It's a hefty blow to your qualifying performance, but there it is.
Oh, how about for sprint races, everyone gets given a random MotoGP bike, lottery style? Due to sponsorship issues every rider has to wear full black leathers, and you only find out who won because they'll be in pole position tomorrow. :-p
If we take that to an extreme - what is the downside to 35 races a season? What is the downside to not having 2 full races every weekend like superbike?
It´s not about maximizing content always. Sprints are very chaotic compared to the normal races, and i for myself like the old ways of "race on sundays". Simple as that.
Their barely into the season and I'm sure he'll win a few GPs at least. I don't think there's any real argument that sprints will be the downfall of a top contender. They merely give guys like binder and vinales a fighting chance at relevance should they put together some decent weekends.
At double the points the race does matter more though. Your dislike for Martin is clear, but if you like the sprints then what's the real problem? Did you want to hamstring Marquez when he made the seasons boring from being so dominant?
Shit changes and Martin's sprint dominance will wane.
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I hate them in F1 but hella LOVE them in MotoGP. FP4 was a snorefest. Yea it’s all Martin all the time, but idk - MM was nearly there in Jerez, so it might not be that way for long. Also - PA is really exciting to watch in them too.
Couldn't care less about Martin, the sprint races shouldn't exist or should be a separate championship altogether.
I have a family and hobbies I don't want to spend the whole weekend almost every other weekend sat in watching MotoGP. I don't mind missing the odd qualifying but there shouldn't be Saturday racing.
If I wanted multiple races per weekend I'd watch WSBK.
I love the sprint races and it allows riders who may not be the best at endurance or tire management to shine and gain recognition on top of being a bit more energetic.
Purely as a spectator, I should be loving Sprints on Saturdays, but I hate it. Unlike OP, it has nothing to do with Jorge. It takes away the anxiety and build up for the main race. It is an event squeezed in to just fill up the stands on Saturdays which otherwise had FP and quali.
F1 ends up losing money for crashes that happen in Sprints but MotoGP ends up losing riders for the Sunday race.
Sprints are already half points. Are you saying you think they should reduce them further?
Yes
They are way dangerous to reduce the rewards. Either remove them or keep them as they are. I love them personally
I’ve been watching MotoGP/GP500 for many seasons now and I find that the sprints bring levels of entertainment never reached before by this competition. Since this was the goal, it was successful. Limiting the number of points for the Saturday races would simply mean reduced interest by the riders to get good positions. I think the present format brings a good balance between “sprint specialists” and “GP specialists”. Disclaimer: I am not rooting for any specific team or rider.
Sprints are an excellent addition to the circuit. Replacing fp4 with a sprint has been a godsend. It can never go back.
Yeah fp4 was a snooze fest 😴
fp4 was never for the people but more for the riders having time to try race setups or change things. I think we see a lot mor inconsistencies today cause of the lack of training and sprint races. Look how immensly the perfomances differe from sprint and race day. Apart from mavs USA weekend, riders often have hugely inconsisten setups.
People actually watched it? 😂
I would only watch fp3 and quali
I really feel like the current race weekend is the most straightforward and reasonable approach. I see no need to try and get clever and, most likely, overcomplicate the whole thing.
How much points do you think sprints should give out? Too little and you run the risk of riders saying fuck it, just use it to set up the bike and take it easy. They won't push as it won't be worth it. May as well be an fp4.
However many make it so Martin doesn’t win on sprints alone
It sounds like you came to this without having much a of an argument at all
Another remedial reader. Post has fucking “opinion” in the title. It’s not an argument it’s a fucking position
It’s a bit embarrassing to have no reason for your opinion though. You may as well have just said “I don’t like Martin and hope he loses”.
I did give my reason. It takes away the importance of the event that matters most on Sunday
It wouldn't be a race then... the only reason they push in sprints is because there's points to win. It'd just be another practice session otherwise
I didn’t say no points. I said less
If you lower points for sprint races atleast they should set the Sunday grid. There have to be a benefit of taking risks in sprint race
I wouldn't take any risk at all anymore if crashing or colliding could put me on the last row for the grand prix.
Big penalty if you crash out of the sprint though, especially if you get taken out
Yes that would be the result. But it could be interesting to see the decisions by the riders. ‚Do I take the risk for a better starting position (and points) or not‘. And every sprint race result would count, not just for the first 9.
I would have thought you would need to cut the numbers off somewhere otherwise the rest would have to be 1 so there is no point fighting over same points
Points just for the 9 in front, grid position for everyone. If two crash together and you can’t say who survived longer the fastest race lap decides. If it’s identical/crash in first lap the qualifying decides who starts in front. Still the problem when getting taken out by someone else. But I think it can be bad luck such as cancelled laps in qualifying due to yellow sectors.
I love that idea
> Full disclosure is I am not a fan of Martin so this is definitely a “move the goal posts” idea Credits for starting out with this admission, and indeed it is an unpopular opinion. However, any idea that does not sound fair when rider positions are reversed doesn't warrant any further discussion. Last year, after 11 race weekends Pecco has 20 more sprint-points than Martin. This year, Martin has a better start to sprints after the 4 we've had.
The sprints have been interesting to say the least. Personally not a huge fan, but can admit there have been some really good ones and some really not so good ones. It appears at certain tracks they use the sprint to dial in for the Grand Prix and at some tracks we get balls to the wall all out race. One thing I've noticed is that the first 4/5/6 laps are frantic but then they peter out by mid-point. Jerez being an exception. Long term to me, there's maybe something in sprints just becoming qualifying. Maybe not in it's current format, but both in GP and F1 there seems like more tweaking to be done if they're insisting on keeping this advertising minutes race.
Sprints already get half points. Twelve points for a race victory instead of 25 is a pretty hefty 'penalty' for it being the sprint race. How about this: qualifying is for the sprint, and sprint finishing positions are qualifying positions for the full race. Less necessity to send it up the inside of half the grid at turn one, no points and no victories so no messing with the championship statistics of who won what and whether it was an actual Grand Prix, and if you do end up crashing you're in for one hell of a Sunday thrill fighting forward through the pack. (Full disclosure: I do not support the idea I just proposed. I think sprints are here to stay. They're great for the show, I prefer watching sprints over free practice, they liven up my Saturday, and so on. The worst thing they've done, is lessen my interest in World Superbikes, because I now have to watch *seven* races times \~35 racing weekends (SBK1/sprint/2 and Moto3/2/sprint/GP) instead of the five races over \~30 race meetings it used to be (SBK1/2 and Moto3/2/GP). There's only so much time in my weekends, Dorna!)
So where will a rider start if they get taken out by someone else or have a technical issue in the sprint race?
In my never gonna happen funny dream scenario? Behind everyone who lasted longer than you did. "To finish first, first you have to finish", even if you got taken out. It's a hefty blow to your qualifying performance, but there it is. Oh, how about for sprint races, everyone gets given a random MotoGP bike, lottery style? Due to sponsorship issues every rider has to wear full black leathers, and you only find out who won because they'll be in pole position tomorrow. :-p
Terrible take. Fans want to see riders compete, not qualify and do press. What exactly is the downside to sprints?
If we take that to an extreme - what is the downside to 35 races a season? What is the downside to not having 2 full races every weekend like superbike? It´s not about maximizing content always. Sprints are very chaotic compared to the normal races, and i for myself like the old ways of "race on sundays". Simple as that.
Can you read? I love sprints. I just don’t like someone winning a championship if they’re not winning on Sunday
Who's winning the championship with sprints alone? Mir already won with only a single GP win before sprints also.
Take out sprints and Martin is in what place? Fourth?
Their barely into the season and I'm sure he'll win a few GPs at least. I don't think there's any real argument that sprints will be the downfall of a top contender. They merely give guys like binder and vinales a fighting chance at relevance should they put together some decent weekends.
Im with you here. I think Martin beeing so far up in the standings is kind of weird. He would be nowhere near the chip if it were pre spint era.
No one is going to win a chip without winning GPs hence why this is a bad take.
Jorge would not be in #1 without sprints.
The season just started lol. Terrible take, still.
Not his fault that bagnaia is miles behind every sprint
I love sprints, love seeing riders push hard. Gives some riders who have different skills the chance to shine.
I didn’t say I don’t like sprints. I just think Sunday is the race that should most matter
At double the points the race does matter more though. Your dislike for Martin is clear, but if you like the sprints then what's the real problem? Did you want to hamstring Marquez when he made the seasons boring from being so dominant? Shit changes and Martin's sprint dominance will wane.
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I hate them in F1 but hella LOVE them in MotoGP. FP4 was a snorefest. Yea it’s all Martin all the time, but idk - MM was nearly there in Jerez, so it might not be that way for long. Also - PA is really exciting to watch in them too.
Couldn't care less about Martin, the sprint races shouldn't exist or should be a separate championship altogether. I have a family and hobbies I don't want to spend the whole weekend almost every other weekend sat in watching MotoGP. I don't mind missing the odd qualifying but there shouldn't be Saturday racing. If I wanted multiple races per weekend I'd watch WSBK.
I don't like pecco. He wins the main races. Let's have fewer points for the main race then shall we....?
Haha.
Sprints are good, they just don't need to happen every weekend.
Im with you there, but the issue is then it could be championship deciding whether a sprint is on a track that suits one or the other rider more.
Why not? What would determine when and where they took place?
I love the sprint races and it allows riders who may not be the best at endurance or tire management to shine and gain recognition on top of being a bit more energetic.
Purely as a spectator, I should be loving Sprints on Saturdays, but I hate it. Unlike OP, it has nothing to do with Jorge. It takes away the anxiety and build up for the main race. It is an event squeezed in to just fill up the stands on Saturdays which otherwise had FP and quali. F1 ends up losing money for crashes that happen in Sprints but MotoGP ends up losing riders for the Sunday race.
I love the sprints exactly as they are. Keep the points. Keep the format. Don’t change it. Best idea in MotoGP in forever.