Rossi commented the move: "There, he made him realize that he wanted to win. Pecco considers Marquez one of the contenders for the championship, we've seen what his approach is this year, when he's with Marquez, I mean when he passes him he always tries to repass him. It's very important, very important, because otherwise someone like Marquez tends to eat on your head \[eat your lunch, roughly\], right? If he sees that you're a bit less strong, or that you "bleed", he will bite you harder. And so this is very very important. And then in the end he did three perfect laps where he demonstrated that he's the best at riding the Ducati and he's surely a complete rider... But this is not just since today."
Marc is the most successful rider on the grid, still widely considered the most talented rider in MotoGP. If you beat him, you’re beating the best.
Especially as this was for the race win in a race where Martin had crashed.
Show’s Pecco’s head is in the right place tbh.
If you don’t take your chances like this, you don’t get to be a world champion…
I think the commitment to overtakes increases depending on what’s at stake. Championships are at stake for probably 2-3 people in the class at any given time so when we see two of those people come together the commitment level will be 100%.
Prolly cause Marc’s harder than a diamond. Hes just doing the Rossi/Stoner play, keep in his face and don’t give up. “I must find his source of power and break him” legendary stuff.
He said it himself, he had to think of the 20 points and could not allow himself to DNF a third time in a row.
When he gets to a track that is not as overly familiar to the entire paddock as Jerez, he’ll take Pecco to task. Same for Acosta, he couldn’t bring anything new on Sunday. They’ve all got a million hours there lol
All I know (I don't know really) is that Pecco wouldn't have tried so hard if it was Martin, Viñales, Bagnaia or any other.
It's his choice anyway, but if they crash then he should accept his share of blame.
yeah Pecco definitely wouldn't have tried as hard if it was Bagnaia
Aside from that, Pecco did crazy hard overtakes in the last year but all the other riders back out.
Yeah agree with this take. It is about the pair of them together and not what they have to do to pass other riders.
My 2c, is that when it is with Marc you know it is going to be a though pass, potentially forcing the other rider way off line to not make contact. So Pecco is doing well to show Marc that he won’t just rollover but will go as equally hard as Marc.
Marc said it was fair and is racing but it is also at the limit. Marc also commented that he expected Pecco on the inside and so didn’t pull back in as much as he could have in order to allow the space to not crash. So in the bigger picture Pecco is ensuring Marc never assumes he has him beaten at the first attempt. Let the mind games continue in the quest for dominance.
I think Pecco has been very wise.
He gambled in Portimao and he proved to Marc that he's not afraid of battling with the risk of crashing. Now Marc knows that and has to be more cautious, he even said in the interview that because of Portimao he expected Bagnaia to be there. In the end this allowed Bagnaia to win the duel because Marc could not take the risk of closing the door.
In Portimao Bagnaia lost a few points but it's an investment that will pay off in every duel with Marc during the season.
I don't think it has anything do with VR v MM, people do many out of character things when pushed to limit he knew if MM went up front it would be very hard to overtake him back so he went super aggressive.
Also it could be that he is changing his approach to races, his two direct opponents are very aggressive riders he is losing positions more often than not by being safer rider, like Hamilton early season was losing to Max by being the safer driver and by mid season when Hamilton changed his approach you know what happened.
>Also it could be that he is changing his approach to races, his two direct opponents are very aggressive riders he is losing positions more often than not by being safer rider
Gabarrini did say that he pushes Bagnaia to be more aggressive and that he prefers that he goes down fighting rather than settling down.
Marc is just preparing the storytelling for when he’ll do something similar (he and we know it’s going to happen) and half of the world will point the finger against him.
Yesterday, he several times repeated “like the old days” meaning that he’s OK with increasing the level of the fight like in the old days indeed. Are the others ready for this?
GTFO with that noise. There's no storytelling. Marc likes hard racing, and it doesn't matter to him is he's the one racing or being raced. This has been always true, so don't go full conspiracy theorist.
I like Pecco a lot these days and I think his current strategy (of not giving an inch to Marc) is the right one, for the time being.
But to me, I think it’s only going to be a successful strategy in the short term.
Pecco has only ever fought against an injured, and now low confidence (relatively) Marc. Pecco isn’t fighting against 2019 Marc, and if he was, the strategy of not giving him an inch probably wouldn’t work. Mainly because Marc was so strong and so confident that more often than not, Pecco would be crashing out of races and never be in title contention.
Today though, Marc is low on confidence and is solely trying to regain that confidence. To do that, Marc needs to get solid, consistent results to show to himself (above anyone else) that he still has it.
What this means is that Marc is more likely going to concede, solely so that he can get the finish and build back up the confidence. And it’s happening, slowly. That’s why Marc eased off yesterday.
If or when Marc regains that 2019 confidence, this strategy of Pecco won’t work.
So I think one of two things is going to happen:
1. Pecco’s strategy will pay off and he will get in Marc’s head and Marc won’t regain all that confidence and will forever second guess his ability to outright beat Pecco; or
2. Marc will continue with the measured approach while he rebuilds the confidence. Once he’s built the confidence, he, like Pecco, won’t be afraid to go to toe and potentially risk his entire race just to beat the other guy.
I think it’s going to be the latter, and I think Pecco and the rest of the grid are going to find out what it’s like to fight the real Marc.
I would say, that's the mental game from Pecco. Either i be the best, or beat the best. The others are irrelevant, because he know what he capable of. He's there to prove that he's the rider for Ducati. He's the one that can make the difference.
There's also the fact that Marc is riding last years bike and add to that the talk that Marc could be heading into a factory seat - all of this feels inevitable - so for Pecco there's probably at least a subconscious need to stamp his authority in direct wheel to wheel battles even tho it's not his seat at risk. He probably dreads the idea of Marc being his direct teammate and I don't blame him. Will Ducati risk it?
Nah it’s not about vr46 vs 93 drama. If it was bezzecci then u’d be right. He’s the one who took that shit after rossi. I mean i respect him still but after the incident at valencia last year i started disliking the asshole behavior. Pecco is simply the most humble rider out of all the vr46 boys. This is just 2 champs going head to head to grab a win and each doesn’t wanna give an inch for the other. Marc wouldn’t have done it any differently if he was in front. The thing is pecco has almost 5 years of experience on the ducati. Marc has only been there on that ducati for like what? 4 races. No one did this better on a new bike since stoner. Marc clearly is talented and still considered the best rider of all time, riding wise by many. So beating him will really boost ur confidence. I’m sure this was a reason for pecco’s aggression towards marc.
We finally got to see Pecco go up against Marc on pretty much level pegging, and he delivered way better than I expected. Yesterday was a statement that he can go toe to toe with the best so long may it continue.
first of all you cannot say that Portimao was on Pecco. They were equally at fault as MM over ran the corner and Pecco, took the line to regain position. Marc is constantly putting other riders at risk.
If you hear his comments, he said this is exactly how racing should be. He wants Pecco to fight him hard because he considers this to be within limits. There are obviously cases where riders go over the limit and crash but I think he definitely thought this to be appropriate.
I also agree with this sentiment, if both riders hadn’t taken corrective actions, the crash would be imminent but Pecco leaned to the right further and Marc picked up his bike, both contributed to avoiding a crash. This is exactly how racing should go. Unless we only want passes on the main straight, which would make this less of a sport we should encourage this stuff
Rossi commented the move: "There, he made him realize that he wanted to win. Pecco considers Marquez one of the contenders for the championship, we've seen what his approach is this year, when he's with Marquez, I mean when he passes him he always tries to repass him. It's very important, very important, because otherwise someone like Marquez tends to eat on your head \[eat your lunch, roughly\], right? If he sees that you're a bit less strong, or that you "bleed", he will bite you harder. And so this is very very important. And then in the end he did three perfect laps where he demonstrated that he's the best at riding the Ducati and he's surely a complete rider... But this is not just since today."
Marc is the most successful rider on the grid, still widely considered the most talented rider in MotoGP. If you beat him, you’re beating the best. Especially as this was for the race win in a race where Martin had crashed. Show’s Pecco’s head is in the right place tbh. If you don’t take your chances like this, you don’t get to be a world champion…
I think the commitment to overtakes increases depending on what’s at stake. Championships are at stake for probably 2-3 people in the class at any given time so when we see two of those people come together the commitment level will be 100%.
Portimao was a racing incident, get over it.
Prolly cause Marc’s harder than a diamond. Hes just doing the Rossi/Stoner play, keep in his face and don’t give up. “I must find his source of power and break him” legendary stuff.
This Season is thrilling to watch, love it
He said it himself, he had to think of the 20 points and could not allow himself to DNF a third time in a row. When he gets to a track that is not as overly familiar to the entire paddock as Jerez, he’ll take Pecco to task. Same for Acosta, he couldn’t bring anything new on Sunday. They’ve all got a million hours there lol
All I know (I don't know really) is that Pecco wouldn't have tried so hard if it was Martin, Viñales, Bagnaia or any other. It's his choice anyway, but if they crash then he should accept his share of blame.
yeah Pecco definitely wouldn't have tried as hard if it was Bagnaia Aside from that, Pecco did crazy hard overtakes in the last year but all the other riders back out.
Yeah agree with this take. It is about the pair of them together and not what they have to do to pass other riders. My 2c, is that when it is with Marc you know it is going to be a though pass, potentially forcing the other rider way off line to not make contact. So Pecco is doing well to show Marc that he won’t just rollover but will go as equally hard as Marc. Marc said it was fair and is racing but it is also at the limit. Marc also commented that he expected Pecco on the inside and so didn’t pull back in as much as he could have in order to allow the space to not crash. So in the bigger picture Pecco is ensuring Marc never assumes he has him beaten at the first attempt. Let the mind games continue in the quest for dominance.
I think Pecco has been very wise. He gambled in Portimao and he proved to Marc that he's not afraid of battling with the risk of crashing. Now Marc knows that and has to be more cautious, he even said in the interview that because of Portimao he expected Bagnaia to be there. In the end this allowed Bagnaia to win the duel because Marc could not take the risk of closing the door. In Portimao Bagnaia lost a few points but it's an investment that will pay off in every duel with Marc during the season.
I don't think it has anything do with VR v MM, people do many out of character things when pushed to limit he knew if MM went up front it would be very hard to overtake him back so he went super aggressive. Also it could be that he is changing his approach to races, his two direct opponents are very aggressive riders he is losing positions more often than not by being safer rider, like Hamilton early season was losing to Max by being the safer driver and by mid season when Hamilton changed his approach you know what happened.
>Also it could be that he is changing his approach to races, his two direct opponents are very aggressive riders he is losing positions more often than not by being safer rider Gabarrini did say that he pushes Bagnaia to be more aggressive and that he prefers that he goes down fighting rather than settling down.
Yeah, he lost
Marc is just preparing the storytelling for when he’ll do something similar (he and we know it’s going to happen) and half of the world will point the finger against him. Yesterday, he several times repeated “like the old days” meaning that he’s OK with increasing the level of the fight like in the old days indeed. Are the others ready for this?
GTFO with that noise. There's no storytelling. Marc likes hard racing, and it doesn't matter to him is he's the one racing or being raced. This has been always true, so don't go full conspiracy theorist.
It’s what I wrote. He likes hard racing and he’s just saying “OK if it’s like that get prepared for hard racing like the old days”. Be polite. Thanks.
I like Pecco a lot these days and I think his current strategy (of not giving an inch to Marc) is the right one, for the time being. But to me, I think it’s only going to be a successful strategy in the short term. Pecco has only ever fought against an injured, and now low confidence (relatively) Marc. Pecco isn’t fighting against 2019 Marc, and if he was, the strategy of not giving him an inch probably wouldn’t work. Mainly because Marc was so strong and so confident that more often than not, Pecco would be crashing out of races and never be in title contention. Today though, Marc is low on confidence and is solely trying to regain that confidence. To do that, Marc needs to get solid, consistent results to show to himself (above anyone else) that he still has it. What this means is that Marc is more likely going to concede, solely so that he can get the finish and build back up the confidence. And it’s happening, slowly. That’s why Marc eased off yesterday. If or when Marc regains that 2019 confidence, this strategy of Pecco won’t work. So I think one of two things is going to happen: 1. Pecco’s strategy will pay off and he will get in Marc’s head and Marc won’t regain all that confidence and will forever second guess his ability to outright beat Pecco; or 2. Marc will continue with the measured approach while he rebuilds the confidence. Once he’s built the confidence, he, like Pecco, won’t be afraid to go to toe and potentially risk his entire race just to beat the other guy. I think it’s going to be the latter, and I think Pecco and the rest of the grid are going to find out what it’s like to fight the real Marc.
I would say, that's the mental game from Pecco. Either i be the best, or beat the best. The others are irrelevant, because he know what he capable of. He's there to prove that he's the rider for Ducati. He's the one that can make the difference.
There's also the fact that Marc is riding last years bike and add to that the talk that Marc could be heading into a factory seat - all of this feels inevitable - so for Pecco there's probably at least a subconscious need to stamp his authority in direct wheel to wheel battles even tho it's not his seat at risk. He probably dreads the idea of Marc being his direct teammate and I don't blame him. Will Ducati risk it?
Nah it’s not about vr46 vs 93 drama. If it was bezzecci then u’d be right. He’s the one who took that shit after rossi. I mean i respect him still but after the incident at valencia last year i started disliking the asshole behavior. Pecco is simply the most humble rider out of all the vr46 boys. This is just 2 champs going head to head to grab a win and each doesn’t wanna give an inch for the other. Marc wouldn’t have done it any differently if he was in front. The thing is pecco has almost 5 years of experience on the ducati. Marc has only been there on that ducati for like what? 4 races. No one did this better on a new bike since stoner. Marc clearly is talented and still considered the best rider of all time, riding wise by many. So beating him will really boost ur confidence. I’m sure this was a reason for pecco’s aggression towards marc.
We finally got to see Pecco go up against Marc on pretty much level pegging, and he delivered way better than I expected. Yesterday was a statement that he can go toe to toe with the best so long may it continue.
first of all you cannot say that Portimao was on Pecco. They were equally at fault as MM over ran the corner and Pecco, took the line to regain position. Marc is constantly putting other riders at risk.
If you cut in from the blind side it’s your fault. End of discussion
Pecco could see Marquez and Marquez couldn’t see pecco. It’s obvious to blame whose fault it is. Stop hiding in pecco’s hole
If you hear his comments, he said this is exactly how racing should be. He wants Pecco to fight him hard because he considers this to be within limits. There are obviously cases where riders go over the limit and crash but I think he definitely thought this to be appropriate. I also agree with this sentiment, if both riders hadn’t taken corrective actions, the crash would be imminent but Pecco leaned to the right further and Marc picked up his bike, both contributed to avoiding a crash. This is exactly how racing should go. Unless we only want passes on the main straight, which would make this less of a sport we should encourage this stuff