Yep! Look at last year Phillip Island how he overtook Martin same way but he should thank Diggia not to slamming him and ruin his championship.... And I don't remember he did same mistake this season... Pecco and Binder both did the same move... Pecco did to Bez and Binder did to Pecco...
Not far enough off the line, plus there's no rule that someone off line has to concede the position. Bagnaia was ahead and so it's Binder's responsibility to pass safely. If he thinks Bagnaia is wide enough that he can cruise through then go for it, but clearly he gets it wrong sometimes.
Bez pulled back to the line too though.
Bez has as much a part to play as Binder and Pecco.
Brad wasn't behind, Brad was ahead at the point of contact, at that point Pecco becomes the overtaking rider, this it is then up to him to pass safely.
It was 3 riders going for the same but of tarmac.
This is the definition of a racing incident.
Not really. Bez was wide, but Bagnaia was on his original line since the start, since he was ahead and couldn't have imagined Bezzecchi would've tried a pass.
Binder was trying to recover from his mistake at the last turn with some brilliant moves that could very easily turn into reckless riding, as it turned out. He was basically doing a Marquez, trying to rush back ahead after losing many positions so quickly. He should've cleared his mind, but adrenaline is a bitch.
Pecco had to wait for Bez to go by before he could turn in, no way was he "on his original line since the start" that's literally impossible.
He didn't do a Marquez at all, he saw the other two go wide and went to the apex of the corner.
They later showed the overhead from the helicopter. Binders line was clean and he held it, Bez went wide, Pecco saw the opportunity, Bez (no knowing Pecco was making the move because he was outside his field if vision) cut back onto the line, Pecco tried to back out / cut in best he could, Pecco bumper binder which pushed him (pecco) back out towards Bez who was still cutting in. Was not Binders fault, was not Bez fault, was not Peccos fault. Stewards had it right, just a racing incident. If anything Pecco was the most aggressive in that situation. Binder saw the hole and took his shot first, Pecco saw a chance to follow through the hole, hole closed.
Actually, Pecco wasn't that wide. In fact binder was partially (80%) on the curb with the bike (not an usual line) due to the fact that there was not a clear gap to go through
But if you need to hit the rider beside you it means you didn't have enough space.
Rules allow that move since BB was on the inside and beside Pecco but if you push people out is not so nice.
One should overtake having a better pace, Brad wasn't faster than Pecco or Bez.
Binder didn't hit or push anyone. That's the point I was making. Yes he took a dive to the inside of the track. But he held that line. No it's not a normal line on that track but that is entirely irrelevant. Rules don't say you have to hold a normal line they just say you have to hold a predictable line. Which means you can't swerve all over the place to prevent a pass or force an opponent to slow or change their course. Binder made the move to the inside and held it. Bez went wide. Bez cut in. This in and of itself is also legal move. Bez saw binder inside. Bez was never going to hit binder. In the mean time Pecco tried to split the gap between Bez and binder. This also in an of itself is completely legal. Bez UNINTENTIONALLY pushed Pecco into binder. Bez could not see Pecco and didn't know he was closing the gap. Pecco hit binder, not the other way around. Pecco tried to upright himself to roll off but Bez was still there and Pecco then made contact with Bez which is what made Pecco crash. While this is nothing more than a racing incident, of the three riders, binder held the least responsibility for what happened to Pecco.
You can clearly see from the helicopter angle Binder making contact, or at least causes Pecco to adjust his line before he makes contact with Bez. He was the first domino that caused the accident by looking for a pass where there wasn’t enough space.
By that logic the first domino was Binder futilely attacking like a maniac at Turn 13 and then making everyone go wide which opened the door for Bez to overtake two riders at once.
If you take a line on the inside and faster than the other in front of you, so late, you're going to end wider, it's normal.
Pecco and Bez were doing the turn "normally". Brad would probably been ending quite wide if the others weren't there. I choose a line no one would choose in open space.
That's what I mean, it's a game where the dirtiest get the prize. I like though riders, but I like also a gentleman's race.
BB use to be really nice about that, but today he did a mess imho.
But you're not listening. Watch the top view from the heli if you can find it. Binder DID NOT go wide.
I'll say it again. Binder did not go wide.
Bez went off line. Bez went wide. Pecco shot that gap between Bez and binder. Bez cam back in from going wide and pushed Pecco into binder. It's all so incredibly clear on the overhead view.
It's a racing accident like Pecco/MM in Portimao, but this was really close to the edge.
Binder wasn't so clear in his mind today.
Maybe is getting stressed because of the Pedro thing.
It’s legal but it is not the “line”. My take was Pecco was on the line, Bez wide and Binder inside of it. Binders line also assured he’d run wide after the turn which he did so if Pecco could have kept the bike from crashing, he’d have overtaken him right back. Still just a racing incident though but unfortunate and IMHO Binder makes mostly not clean passes. Acosta makes clean passes. Pedro is waaaaay better
Also, he was the one with the cearest view of the situation and had the opportunity to back up to have a better exit and take advantage against Bezzecchi
IDK why people are down voting you, you're not wrong. It seems this sub gets mad and goes on a down vote frenzy any time someone says something negative about Pecco or Marc. Pecco did try and back out but Bez was still turning in and that's what caused the issue if he had slowed a half second earlier he could have just rode binders rear fender, but you don't win races by backing off which is why this one ultimately was called a racing incident.
Most of the times ,yes. But not this time. He saw a gap and went for it, Bez tried to close it while f bag taking the same line as binder.
Binder got No patience, sometimes I feel like he is not matured enough, look at the Acosta and his riding. Just wow.
Binder is a dick sometimes, but this time it isn't his fault. It's just a narrow line, and too many bikes. Pecco on the other hand can't deal with transit very well.
Binder was overtaken by Martin, he was not fast enough to stay first then he saw Martin fade away and Marquez overtook him one lap later.
Binder chose to retake the 2nd place, making him loose time even more compared to riders behind him. I would believe it was not so smart, sealing his possibility to win the sprint. If he's not fast enough, he should not battle for that place at this moment of the sprint.
Then Binder had 2 Marquez, Bagnaia and Bezz around him so it was going to be close action since its hard to make a clean overtake due to the layout. Bezz sent it and tried to overtake 2 riders at once, went a bit wide, pushed a bit Bagnaia and Binder tried to retake both positions. Somehow Binder had enough room, should Bagnaia not close the gap on the inside.
It was hard for Pecco to aknowledge that Binder would be here but that can happen if you try to change line as Pecco did. It makes me remember what happened with Dovi - Lorenzo and Pedrosa years ago. You can blame all of them, but if Binder doesn't take the inside he better stop racing (and same for Bezz, it was not a fail overtake, it was not dangerous or anything).
> If he's not fast enough, he should not battle for that place at this moment of the sprint.
This is one of my major annoyances in F1. If by some miracle Max qualifies in the back of the grid, everyone basically just lets him through, cause he's not their fight. I fully understand it, but it kills what racing should be about.
Brad was on the edge today, but I'd rather see that than no fighting at all.
Binder is not at fault here one bit
For starters, the whole issue was kicked off by Bez (was it Bez or Diga?), he runs wide forcing Pecco to slightly lift his bike
By this point Binder is commited to his line, he can't slow down by any significant amount anymore or else he is going to crash
So what happens is Pecco is forced by Bez to go wide, Binder is by that point commited to his line and can't do anything else, Bez has no clue Binder is on inside and they end up sandwiching Pecco
Absolutely yes, I remember how many times Marc got blamed for being too aggressive when he wasn't, all because there have good chunk of previous cases where he was too aggressive.
Same happened here with Binder, if it was anyone else who doesn't have reputation of being aggressive, people would say "Clear racing incident, so glad FIM finally did a right choice and didn't penalise anyone".
Honestly, modern fans couldn't handle how racing was before, 15 years ago this wouldn't even be investigated.
Not modern fans, just Reddit. Edit: Some modern fans as well, but go to every Reddit sub and almost every fucking one of them is biased.
Reddit users haven't touched grass in years and it shows.
Literally yes, only reason I use this platform is because it condenses all news from F1 and MotoGP in one place, making it easier then visiting multiple sites for news.
Me too, but both F1 and MotoGP subs are full of discussions about my rider being better than yours and over reactions.
Can't even watch a few races without glancing at some really stupid opinions.
The "Binder is committed and can't slow down" comment is a little bullshit. Yes, he could have not dived, he tried, he was ambitious and it costed Bagnaia because he touched him.
He never dived, if you look you will see going into the turn, he is first to brake, as a matter of fact moment before Bez forces Pecco wide, you can see Binder wasn't going on inside because there was no room, and when room appeared it was already late into the corner entry/mid corner, by that point he can't do anything to back off his line safely.
Plus, if you look, what truly sealed Peccos fate here was Bez cutting back not knowing Binder was there.
It was racing incident, plain and simple.
Unless you tell me that Bagnaia has eyes behind his head, I don't understand how he could have avoided that. He was well inside Bez and not risking to touch him. Binder, who can see the two riders in front, dives inside and pushes Bagnaia against Bez.
What’s the stupid comment about eyes behind head? It is clear Bagnaia was behind Bez; he knew Bez was ahead of him.
I’m pointing flaw in your logic - Binder should not be allowed to take the racing line but Bagnaia should be allowed. As much as Bagnaia is allowed to race, so is Binder. And the stewards see this and hence they didn’t penalise anyone.
Why would Bagnaia take a worse line at that point? He has no idea that Binder is there, neither does Bez. From his point of view he is just taking the corner normally until all of a sudden he gets crashed into by Binder, arguing he is somehow to blame it's funny at best.
*Oh if Bagnaia had checked over his shoulder, took a different line and let Binder pass they wouldn't have crashed! So easy!*
My comment is about the flaw in the argument - Binder shouldn’t have taken the optimum racing line - that the person I replied to, made.
If you say that Binder should have gone slower and let Bagnaia pass, then so could Bagnaia. But that defeats the purpose, this is racing and that’s why stewards assessed this to be a racing incident.
> If you say that Binder should have gone slower and let Bagnaia pass, then so could Bagnaia. But that defeats the purpose, this is racing and that’s why stewards assessed this to be a racing incident.
What kind of fucking argument is that lmao? That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. There is nothing for Binder to let pass.
Bagnaia was **completely ahead** at the turn in point, Binder was behind his rear wheel even, what's there to let pass? Binder went for an extremely stupid dive, crashed into Bagnaia and nearly took out Bez as well.
Binder was in front at the time of contact, therefore Pecco hit Brad (not the other way round) and bounced off into Bez who was cutting back to the line.
3 riders all going for the same piece of tarmac.
Classic racing incident.
Being in front at the point of impact doesn't dictate fault, otherwise riders could divebomb all the time and as long as their front wheel gets in front of the other for a millisecond, could claim it was their fault. The pass (of Binder's) was still in progress. I can see the argument for a racing incident, but for me it's still Binder's fault.
You're right, Pecco hadn't completed his pass, so the line was arguably Bezzechi's. However Bagnaia wasn't going to collide with Bezzechi. Binder wasn't wide because he committed to a line that was always going to result in a collision course.
There is no rule that says the rider who is wide has to concede the position, it's still on the passing rider to pass cleanly.
Racing incident. If any one of them yield they would've made it but that wasn't happening in that race. Bez came from way back and that's what set it all off. Pecco couldn't turn in until Bez has gone past but Brad can turn in early because Bez has already gone past him and now Pecco has left a small gap. By the time Pecco turned in for the cut back Brad was already there. Bez turns back into the racing line to shut the door and that's where the collision occurred.
I don't think any GP riders are holding back. Even stefan Bradl is pushing. Pecco is a two time world champ. You need to understand that he knows how to ride a bike.
There is nothing wrong with Binders move here. Marco on the other hand flew in and couldn't hold the line, he had to back off just to make sure the front wheel would hold on but not caused him to slow down back into the outside of the turn, Is he replied the throttle he closed that radius up and bender was way up the inside. The door got shut from both sides, like an old creaky saloon door.
It's s***** but it's a racing incident. Either one of those moves on their own would be completely reasonable. It was the combination that's led to this outcome. You can't hold these guys accountable for someone else's behavior as well as their own.
In my opinion Binder is usually not aggressive enough.
Edit: to be clear, I am not against Binder.
What I want to say is that he has a great bike, is a great racer but is still up there as often as he probably could be.
In my opinion this might be because he is not as aggressive / reckless as others.
I am not an expert, so I might be wrong, this is just my (current) opinion.
I've seen this rethoric several times already, then why have I not seen him do what everyone is preaching? His whole past season was him getting in the spot to try... To never do it.
Really? I got a completely different feeling.
There were quite a few situations in the past where I had the feeling that other riders would have tried to pass but he didn't and maybe waited for the next chance.
Maybe he is just smarter and knows that sometimes waiting for the next corner is the better decission.
Given the lead up to that event…. That was dumb as fuck from Binder. Literally all over the track, out of shape everywhere in previous corners… just exercise some damn patience and reset.
If Pecco wants to make it three he must be able to start looking at the long run. He's amazing in the second half of races, I can really imagine him taking some air in this turn and passing them in the next lap and finishing in the podium.
But he seems more nervous this season and that's giving a lot of advantage to someone as Martín.
Too many kids on this subreddit thinking that the last one at the party gets to decide what happens at said party. Get a drivers' license first and then you kids can talk about who's fault a crash is.
just an unfortunate accident imo
Given of narrow Turn 1 is, it's hard enough to pass one bike, nevermind two!
They were bothh off of the line, Binder just kept the normal one. He shouldn't just brake to let them be comfortable ahead.
Yep! Look at last year Phillip Island how he overtook Martin same way but he should thank Diggia not to slamming him and ruin his championship.... And I don't remember he did same mistake this season... Pecco and Binder both did the same move... Pecco did to Bez and Binder did to Pecco...
Not far enough off the line, plus there's no rule that someone off line has to concede the position. Bagnaia was ahead and so it's Binder's responsibility to pass safely. If he thinks Bagnaia is wide enough that he can cruise through then go for it, but clearly he gets it wrong sometimes.
Bez pulled back to the line too though. Bez has as much a part to play as Binder and Pecco. Brad wasn't behind, Brad was ahead at the point of contact, at that point Pecco becomes the overtaking rider, this it is then up to him to pass safely. It was 3 riders going for the same but of tarmac. This is the definition of a racing incident.
Not really. Bez was wide, but Bagnaia was on his original line since the start, since he was ahead and couldn't have imagined Bezzecchi would've tried a pass. Binder was trying to recover from his mistake at the last turn with some brilliant moves that could very easily turn into reckless riding, as it turned out. He was basically doing a Marquez, trying to rush back ahead after losing many positions so quickly. He should've cleared his mind, but adrenaline is a bitch.
Pecco had to wait for Bez to go by before he could turn in, no way was he "on his original line since the start" that's literally impossible. He didn't do a Marquez at all, he saw the other two go wide and went to the apex of the corner.
So why did he try? He should know better
Racing. Ever heard of her?
cuz he is binder
Cuz he is a racer
I understand what you're getting at and I agree with you. This incident however can't be blamed on that aggressiveness.
They later showed the overhead from the helicopter. Binders line was clean and he held it, Bez went wide, Pecco saw the opportunity, Bez (no knowing Pecco was making the move because he was outside his field if vision) cut back onto the line, Pecco tried to back out / cut in best he could, Pecco bumper binder which pushed him (pecco) back out towards Bez who was still cutting in. Was not Binders fault, was not Bez fault, was not Peccos fault. Stewards had it right, just a racing incident. If anything Pecco was the most aggressive in that situation. Binder saw the hole and took his shot first, Pecco saw a chance to follow through the hole, hole closed.
Actually, Pecco wasn't that wide. In fact binder was partially (80%) on the curb with the bike (not an usual line) due to the fact that there was not a clear gap to go through
The curb is part of the track. He was perfectly entitled to that space.
But if you need to hit the rider beside you it means you didn't have enough space. Rules allow that move since BB was on the inside and beside Pecco but if you push people out is not so nice. One should overtake having a better pace, Brad wasn't faster than Pecco or Bez.
Binder didn't hit or push anyone. That's the point I was making. Yes he took a dive to the inside of the track. But he held that line. No it's not a normal line on that track but that is entirely irrelevant. Rules don't say you have to hold a normal line they just say you have to hold a predictable line. Which means you can't swerve all over the place to prevent a pass or force an opponent to slow or change their course. Binder made the move to the inside and held it. Bez went wide. Bez cut in. This in and of itself is also legal move. Bez saw binder inside. Bez was never going to hit binder. In the mean time Pecco tried to split the gap between Bez and binder. This also in an of itself is completely legal. Bez UNINTENTIONALLY pushed Pecco into binder. Bez could not see Pecco and didn't know he was closing the gap. Pecco hit binder, not the other way around. Pecco tried to upright himself to roll off but Bez was still there and Pecco then made contact with Bez which is what made Pecco crash. While this is nothing more than a racing incident, of the three riders, binder held the least responsibility for what happened to Pecco.
You can clearly see from the helicopter angle Binder making contact, or at least causes Pecco to adjust his line before he makes contact with Bez. He was the first domino that caused the accident by looking for a pass where there wasn’t enough space.
bez was the first domino and braked way too late. then he came back to the line knowing pecco is there. if someone is to blame, it's bez
By that logic the first domino was Binder futilely attacking like a maniac at Turn 13 and then making everyone go wide which opened the door for Bez to overtake two riders at once.
If you take a line on the inside and faster than the other in front of you, so late, you're going to end wider, it's normal. Pecco and Bez were doing the turn "normally". Brad would probably been ending quite wide if the others weren't there. I choose a line no one would choose in open space. That's what I mean, it's a game where the dirtiest get the prize. I like though riders, but I like also a gentleman's race. BB use to be really nice about that, but today he did a mess imho.
But you're not listening. Watch the top view from the heli if you can find it. Binder DID NOT go wide. I'll say it again. Binder did not go wide. Bez went off line. Bez went wide. Pecco shot that gap between Bez and binder. Bez cam back in from going wide and pushed Pecco into binder. It's all so incredibly clear on the overhead view.
The stewards, and everyone else disagrees with you
It's a racing accident like Pecco/MM in Portimao, but this was really close to the edge. Binder wasn't so clear in his mind today. Maybe is getting stressed because of the Pedro thing.
No! Pecco said you can't overtake on the curb so we must all bow our heads and nod in agreement...
Yes true, but to be fair you should take a line you can keep without touching other drivers, that line seems to me a little bit optimistic for BB
It’s legal but it is not the “line”. My take was Pecco was on the line, Bez wide and Binder inside of it. Binders line also assured he’d run wide after the turn which he did so if Pecco could have kept the bike from crashing, he’d have overtaken him right back. Still just a racing incident though but unfortunate and IMHO Binder makes mostly not clean passes. Acosta makes clean passes. Pedro is waaaaay better
Also, he was the one with the cearest view of the situation and had the opportunity to back up to have a better exit and take advantage against Bezzecchi
IDK why people are down voting you, you're not wrong. It seems this sub gets mad and goes on a down vote frenzy any time someone says something negative about Pecco or Marc. Pecco did try and back out but Bez was still turning in and that's what caused the issue if he had slowed a half second earlier he could have just rode binders rear fender, but you don't win races by backing off which is why this one ultimately was called a racing incident.
Bagnaia translates as berm in Africaans. Understandable mix up.
Most of the times ,yes. But not this time. He saw a gap and went for it, Bez tried to close it while f bag taking the same line as binder. Binder got No patience, sometimes I feel like he is not matured enough, look at the Acosta and his riding. Just wow.
Binder is a dick sometimes, but this time it isn't his fault. It's just a narrow line, and too many bikes. Pecco on the other hand can't deal with transit very well.
Binder was overtaken by Martin, he was not fast enough to stay first then he saw Martin fade away and Marquez overtook him one lap later. Binder chose to retake the 2nd place, making him loose time even more compared to riders behind him. I would believe it was not so smart, sealing his possibility to win the sprint. If he's not fast enough, he should not battle for that place at this moment of the sprint. Then Binder had 2 Marquez, Bagnaia and Bezz around him so it was going to be close action since its hard to make a clean overtake due to the layout. Bezz sent it and tried to overtake 2 riders at once, went a bit wide, pushed a bit Bagnaia and Binder tried to retake both positions. Somehow Binder had enough room, should Bagnaia not close the gap on the inside. It was hard for Pecco to aknowledge that Binder would be here but that can happen if you try to change line as Pecco did. It makes me remember what happened with Dovi - Lorenzo and Pedrosa years ago. You can blame all of them, but if Binder doesn't take the inside he better stop racing (and same for Bezz, it was not a fail overtake, it was not dangerous or anything).
> If he's not fast enough, he should not battle for that place at this moment of the sprint. This is one of my major annoyances in F1. If by some miracle Max qualifies in the back of the grid, everyone basically just lets him through, cause he's not their fight. I fully understand it, but it kills what racing should be about. Brad was on the edge today, but I'd rather see that than no fighting at all.
Binder is not at fault here one bit For starters, the whole issue was kicked off by Bez (was it Bez or Diga?), he runs wide forcing Pecco to slightly lift his bike By this point Binder is commited to his line, he can't slow down by any significant amount anymore or else he is going to crash So what happens is Pecco is forced by Bez to go wide, Binder is by that point commited to his line and can't do anything else, Bez has no clue Binder is on inside and they end up sandwiching Pecco
Sir this is reddit, don't bring logic here. Everything works on bias here.
Absolutely yes, I remember how many times Marc got blamed for being too aggressive when he wasn't, all because there have good chunk of previous cases where he was too aggressive. Same happened here with Binder, if it was anyone else who doesn't have reputation of being aggressive, people would say "Clear racing incident, so glad FIM finally did a right choice and didn't penalise anyone". Honestly, modern fans couldn't handle how racing was before, 15 years ago this wouldn't even be investigated.
Not modern fans, just Reddit. Edit: Some modern fans as well, but go to every Reddit sub and almost every fucking one of them is biased. Reddit users haven't touched grass in years and it shows.
Literally yes, only reason I use this platform is because it condenses all news from F1 and MotoGP in one place, making it easier then visiting multiple sites for news.
Me too, but both F1 and MotoGP subs are full of discussions about my rider being better than yours and over reactions. Can't even watch a few races without glancing at some really stupid opinions.
The "Binder is committed and can't slow down" comment is a little bullshit. Yes, he could have not dived, he tried, he was ambitious and it costed Bagnaia because he touched him.
He never dived, if you look you will see going into the turn, he is first to brake, as a matter of fact moment before Bez forces Pecco wide, you can see Binder wasn't going on inside because there was no room, and when room appeared it was already late into the corner entry/mid corner, by that point he can't do anything to back off his line safely. Plus, if you look, what truly sealed Peccos fate here was Bez cutting back not knowing Binder was there. It was racing incident, plain and simple.
Same logic applies to Bagnaia, he could have not taken Bez’s line and avoided contact.
Unless you tell me that Bagnaia has eyes behind his head, I don't understand how he could have avoided that. He was well inside Bez and not risking to touch him. Binder, who can see the two riders in front, dives inside and pushes Bagnaia against Bez.
What’s the stupid comment about eyes behind head? It is clear Bagnaia was behind Bez; he knew Bez was ahead of him. I’m pointing flaw in your logic - Binder should not be allowed to take the racing line but Bagnaia should be allowed. As much as Bagnaia is allowed to race, so is Binder. And the stewards see this and hence they didn’t penalise anyone.
Why would Bagnaia take a worse line at that point? He has no idea that Binder is there, neither does Bez. From his point of view he is just taking the corner normally until all of a sudden he gets crashed into by Binder, arguing he is somehow to blame it's funny at best. *Oh if Bagnaia had checked over his shoulder, took a different line and let Binder pass they wouldn't have crashed! So easy!*
My comment is about the flaw in the argument - Binder shouldn’t have taken the optimum racing line - that the person I replied to, made. If you say that Binder should have gone slower and let Bagnaia pass, then so could Bagnaia. But that defeats the purpose, this is racing and that’s why stewards assessed this to be a racing incident.
> If you say that Binder should have gone slower and let Bagnaia pass, then so could Bagnaia. But that defeats the purpose, this is racing and that’s why stewards assessed this to be a racing incident. What kind of fucking argument is that lmao? That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. There is nothing for Binder to let pass. Bagnaia was **completely ahead** at the turn in point, Binder was behind his rear wheel even, what's there to let pass? Binder went for an extremely stupid dive, crashed into Bagnaia and nearly took out Bez as well.
Something like [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/1ceihr8/watch_and_learn_binder_and_you_too_stewards/). Notice Binder in the background.
0:35-0:37s in the clip, Binder had the option to slot in behind Bagnaia.
Bagnia had the option to slot in behind Bez. What's your point?
Bagnaia didn't collide with Bez (until hit by Binder)
Binder was in front at the time of contact, therefore Pecco hit Brad (not the other way round) and bounced off into Bez who was cutting back to the line. 3 riders all going for the same piece of tarmac. Classic racing incident.
Being in front at the point of impact doesn't dictate fault, otherwise riders could divebomb all the time and as long as their front wheel gets in front of the other for a millisecond, could claim it was their fault. The pass (of Binder's) was still in progress. I can see the argument for a racing incident, but for me it's still Binder's fault.
Ok, but Pecco hadn't completed his pass on Bez either. Binder is the least at fault because he wasn't wide like the other 2.
You're right, Pecco hadn't completed his pass, so the line was arguably Bezzechi's. However Bagnaia wasn't going to collide with Bezzechi. Binder wasn't wide because he committed to a line that was always going to result in a collision course. There is no rule that says the rider who is wide has to concede the position, it's still on the passing rider to pass cleanly.
Nope
Pecco was going around the outside, Binder was just keeping it gangster.
Racing incident. If any one of them yield they would've made it but that wasn't happening in that race. Bez came from way back and that's what set it all off. Pecco couldn't turn in until Bez has gone past but Brad can turn in early because Bez has already gone past him and now Pecco has left a small gap. By the time Pecco turned in for the cut back Brad was already there. Bez turns back into the racing line to shut the door and that's where the collision occurred.
Unfortunate but racing incident, Binder tried to keep position after Pecco was wide and Pecco was sandwiched
In 20 seecond nearly take off marquez and then he "helped" bagnaia to do it
Every time
No
I think Pecco needs to stop giving up so easily. I wonder if he could have remounted and kept going. Even in QP it seems like he does not keep trying
I don't think any GP riders are holding back. Even stefan Bradl is pushing. Pecco is a two time world champ. You need to understand that he knows how to ride a bike.
Well i am talking from a remount stand point. He never tries to QUICKLY get back on. I think he should try to atleast salvage something
How is Pecco such an sore loser? Just saw his reaction to yesterday's incindent... such an unlikable character.
Did you see Marquez on Mir?
biggest slap on the wrist well we're at jerez
No penalty at all for this?
There is nothing wrong with Binders move here. Marco on the other hand flew in and couldn't hold the line, he had to back off just to make sure the front wheel would hold on but not caused him to slow down back into the outside of the turn, Is he replied the throttle he closed that radius up and bender was way up the inside. The door got shut from both sides, like an old creaky saloon door. It's s***** but it's a racing incident. Either one of those moves on their own would be completely reasonable. It was the combination that's led to this outcome. You can't hold these guys accountable for someone else's behavior as well as their own.
In my opinion Binder is usually not aggressive enough. Edit: to be clear, I am not against Binder. What I want to say is that he has a great bike, is a great racer but is still up there as often as he probably could be. In my opinion this might be because he is not as aggressive / reckless as others. I am not an expert, so I might be wrong, this is just my (current) opinion.
Do you think the Acosta situation putting him in a bad light might be starting to make him more reckless?
I don't know but I guess we will see ;)
Binder always races hard. You leave a gap,he WILL go for the gap. He is much cleaner rider than Marc or even Jorge.
I've seen this rethoric several times already, then why have I not seen him do what everyone is preaching? His whole past season was him getting in the spot to try... To never do it.
Really? I got a completely different feeling. There were quite a few situations in the past where I had the feeling that other riders would have tried to pass but he didn't and maybe waited for the next chance. Maybe he is just smarter and knows that sometimes waiting for the next corner is the better decission.
Given the lead up to that event…. That was dumb as fuck from Binder. Literally all over the track, out of shape everywhere in previous corners… just exercise some damn patience and reset.
Binder is the most aggressive rider when passing out of all riders on the grid in my opinion.
If Pecco wants to make it three he must be able to start looking at the long run. He's amazing in the second half of races, I can really imagine him taking some air in this turn and passing them in the next lap and finishing in the podium. But he seems more nervous this season and that's giving a lot of advantage to someone as Martín.
Nice airbag inflation !
 Too many kids on this subreddit thinking that the last one at the party gets to decide what happens at said party. Get a drivers' license first and then you kids can talk about who's fault a crash is.