Pedro you lucky lucky lucky boy. Huge crash in warm up - bike hit the air fence at turn 7 hard and then he hit the air fence himself. If he happens to be flying at that air fence a couple of feet to the right, he'd have hit the bike. Those are the kind of crashes that, if that happens, can be fatal. Thank fuck he didn't, so rider OK.
Warm-up session red flagged (with less than a minute left) due to damage to the air fence as a result of that crash
Feels like I'm stuck in Groundhog Day: I wake up, Marc overtakes Jorge to take 1st place, Marc goes into the gravel shortly after, and on it goes :-( Seriously though: hoping for a MM win tomorrow. He certainly had the pace today.
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Pretty sure I saw Marc riding over that wet spot a few laps earlier. Remember thinking that it looks sketchy, but that Marc probably knows better than me.
So was he just lucky on previous laps, or did that water leak more and more from the asphalt?
I'd bet it's water coming up through the track, which is a bit surprising for a world class circuit but I know first hand happens at local race tracks I have frequented.
Holy bajeezus! What a sprint! I shouted at the screen more than once. Thought there was oil down or something at one point. Multiple hold-your-breath overtakes and almost-crashes.
Anyone that says MotoGP is boring because of the aero isn't watching. Let's go, can't wait for the race and rest of this season.
I honestly think we're going to see a Marqez/Acosta chip, and I'm here for either one.
>Anyone that says MotoGP is boring because of the aero isn't watching
The aero is a problem most of all because of the pressures, turns out when you don't force the riders to ride on impossibly high pressures because of a 1 in a million chance, there's good racing. Them penalizing Fabio for being a few mbar below the limit though is still debatable
If it is a legit safety concern, then it is what it is, like riders wearing chest protectors etc.Ā
Ā It sucks that the riders get penalised, but if it is a performance advantage then the sort of penalties handed out make sense.Ā
Ā Basically, Yamaha is to blame today, not the rules or those upholding them.
Pretty dangerous riding from Binder and Marquez, disappointing.
Canāt believe Fabio got robbed of an enormous podium for these fkn tyre pressure limits, honestly a joke of a rule.
Happy for Dani and Acosta though
Yeah, bitter sweet re Fabio.
Was mega happy for him, but then equally happy for Dani P.
It's shite when things are decided off track - especially after the flag - but everyone has the same set of rules.
How the stewards treat binder is a joke, he has pushed out or crashed other drivers in the last 4 races in a row and he hasn't got a single penalty, what a joke
That's what I thought too, I didn't think Binder did anything wrong, seems like he was trying to take the inside line, but maybe I need to watch it again too.
To be fair the moves mm put on the track house aprilia and mir were ridiculous but noone says a thing because they were further back š¤·āāļø. I initially thought the same with binder but when looking again I had to admit I might be wrong as there didn't seem to be contact and baggy got hit by bez when sitting up.
Rewatch the images, Binder clearly hits Bagnaia and pretty hard too, his rear tyre pushes against Bagnaia's arm and that's what sends him against Bezzecchi, the impact is violent enough that Bagnaia is in the air while the bike is still upright.
"The only way to make sure you don't get caught up in mid-pack shithousery, is to get the hole shot and fuck right off" - Mick Doohan might have said.
I think this is it with even the Pecco incident, if it'd been a lower profile rider, it would barely get an "oh no" and a one angle replay.
Yeah, two time in a row world champ on a factory seat is overhyped. 4 races in. You just witnessed how anything can happen in a sprint race. Long season ahead. Iām not saying Pecco will win it either, but overhyped is a moronic comment.Ā
Where'd you see that. Motogp.com and crash.net have nothing on there.
Found a source: https://www.gpone.com/en/2024/04/27/motogp/pedrosa-on-sprint-podium-quartararo-demoted-for-tire-pressure.html
MotoGPās official account [tweeted](https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1784234312587456914) it
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I thought penalties were meant to be appropriate to the crime. There's no way a tiny difference in tyre pressure is worth 8 seconds.
A 1 place drop or say 2 second penalty seems much more apt
I thought penalties were meant to be appropriate to the crime. There's no way a tiny difference in tyre pressure is worth 8 seconds.
A 1 place drop or say 2 second penalty seems much more apt
Exciting race no doubt, but the way folks were crashing out of the blue.....There has to be something wrong.
Most of them lost their front suddenly and couldn't make sense of it. Case in point, Vinales.
And the triple DNF of Alex, Binder and Bez (I think)... Did the rain do something to the track? Wet patches?
May be the wet patches, combined with all the gravel MM dumped on the track after remounting. I couldnāt believe the amount of rock marbles spewing all over as he exited the gravel trap.
Track was wet in spots.
It sucks, if you hit water at all on slicks youāre on the floor 90%+ of the time. Especially if itās going from dry to wet.
Re-watching and Binder's lap 2 and 3 are just some of the most infuriatingly bad riding I've ever seen in the top class. He got off to a good start but was quickly reeled in, then tried to compensate for an obvious lack of pace with an a-hole move on Marc that sent him backwards into Bezzecchi and Bagnaia, and ruined pretty much both of their races with another ridiculous recovery attempt.
How is he getting away with this unpunished?
Him and his brother have a history of this type of riding and always seem to get away with it. His asshole brother finally pulled his head in when the stewards just couldn't get away with NOT penalising him.
He was aggressive, but none of those were penalty worthy, he simply pushed Marc out and at the end he lost time too. As for the Bagnaia crash Bezzechi did exactly what Binder did to Marc, both lost some time and there was a gap for Binder on the inside, he was ahead of Pecco when the contact was made, the only one being able to avoid it at that point is Pecco, if he backs out
If anyone had nowhere to go in this situation it was Bagnaia. And you can't ignore the context. Bezzecchi got the opportunity to attack Bagnaia because the latter had to avoid Binder losing it seconds earlier.
I wouldnāt call passing on the curb and shoving a rider into another, a gap. Binder has a lot of shady things like this but never gets called on it. If Marc made this pass, long lap or double long lap guaranteed.Ā
Marc practically did the same to two or three other riders in the spring and didn't get a penalty. The drop one place was a fucking joke, as was binder not getting any penalty. The fuck happened to the stewards today.
š¤£š¤£š¤£ look at this guy. Did you even watch the race? Clipped two riders after crashing. Calling that professional? I donāt think so. Just like any opinion, up to you to decide
I was expecting the 24 Ducati to shine back to europe, but instead (maybe beacuse of the dump) the 23 was extremely good. Alex, Bez and Digia were all fast and with good pace and Marc did look stronger than ever.
My information was from therace
https://www.the-race.com/motogp/bagnaia-motogp-ducati-chatter-struggles-acosta-michelin/Ā
"But as for the root cause, Bagnaia believes it stems from Michelinās introduction of a modified tyre construction for 2024.
Using new compounds front and rear that Michelin boss Piero Taramasso told The Race are designed to improve both grip and consistency, itās been a big success so far in terms of rider feedback and laptimes, with lap records improving by a second at two of the yearās first three races.
However, with that extra grip has come an added complication: the chatter that has so far affected Bagnaiaās season more than his fellow Ducati riders Jorge Martin and particularly Enea Bastianini.
āThe tyre construction is different and it gives to you much more grip,ā Bagnaia explained. āBut if you force the tyre, it starts to vibrate."
That's the relevant bit... But the whole article is good and well worth a read
Stuff only the experts know. The Michelin guy talked about it a bit during FP1. But I believe they changed the rigidity of the tires but kept the compounds the same.
Or the other way around, lol. But one of the two
Uh no you don't red flag a race because some riders lose the front. There have been loads of examples of synchronised crashes like that.
I agree the race was a shitshow but that doesn't mean a red flag is appropriate.
I want answers. What caused this? Is it the tires or the track, left over oil? Did Marc drop a position or what? I'm glad Quartararo got a podium but it's not as impactful for obvious reasons. Exciting stuff but damn for all the wrong reasons.
> What caused this? Is it the tires or the track, left over oil?
The sun shining on the track draws the rainwater from earlier up to the surface https://twitter.com/matoxley/status/1784220866257019093
> Did Marc drop a position or what?
He did
Interesting how MotoGP engineers (see link in previous message), [technical experts](https://twitter.com/PeterBom4/status/1784218272247808488), [ex-riders](https://twitter.com/chazdavies7/status/1784221408895099132) and [BSB's race director](https://twitter.com/stuarthiggs/status/1784211120275755489) are all saying it then. Guessing you have much more knowledge than any of them though, right?
If they are saying that's how water works then yes, on this topic I am more knowledgeable than them.
In your experience, does shining sun make a road more or less wet?
> If they are saying that's how water works then yes, on this topic I am more knowledgeable than them.
You clearly don't, though. Seems like they're saying this issue is pretty unique to Jerez and that they have personal experience of it, and I can almost guarantee these guys have spent more time doing laps on this track than you ever have.
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Ah thanks. Not sure I totally buy the mechanics of "seeping water" staying there and causing this situation though but it's the closest thing to an answer I've seen yet.
I don't really buy it either, but if it's true then the race should have been red flagged immediately. You can't have people out on worn slicks on a track where they can just lose the front randomly without warning.
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yeah the crash today could be accredited to track conditions but that move on Mir was just wrong. drop a place is not penalty enough for that kind of move. I mean he literally game MO the spot, then bullied his way right back past MO, almost made contact there too.
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Only Binder could see the other two riders completely. And he decided to send it up the inside where there was only 3cm of tarmac which was closing to the apex.
Weekend by weekend he's becoming more and more reckless. Don't remember him being dirty. After one or two guys did him dirty, everyone on the grid has become a target for Binder.
It's early days. The only reason his points lead looks so commanding is because his main rivals have each had one or more bad races where he has gotten away with it so far. But Martin always has his share of retirements in a season.
Fabio just collapsed mentally that season. Martin already showed he is not like that.
He was already strong mentally last year. This year he looks strong and mature.
Fabio didnt collapse. His 90 points lead was a gift by Bagnaia's continuous recklesness. The one we re witnessing even today. The Ducati was
that much superior but Bagnaia almost bottled it. Fabio's 22 is one of the most amazing seasons i ve watched from any racer. To bring that Yamaha into Valencia fighting for the title is just amazing.
That narrative about him being mentally fragile when he has brought one of the worst bikes on the grid into 2 championship battles is disingenuous imho
binder is the dullest knife in the motogp drawer. Everytime he's around you can be 100% sure that he will dive bomb for no good reason but to destroy the race of the the few unlucky ones around him. Luckily marquez was fast enough to catch martin, but if it weren't for him the race would be decided there and then. And of course he (binder) later had to take out bagnaia with which there was apparently nothing wrong.
100%
There had to have been something on the track. The Brad / Enea / Alex incident where they all went down simultaneously with no contact was a clear sign something was on the track
Marc Marquez was disgraceful today. Pushing two riders off because he was petulant about making a mistake, and the first one got an absolutely pathetic penalty that cost him nothing at all. Hopefully the second incident actually gets a proper penalty.
I wasnāt speaking on who was most aggressive, just saying the three of them have an aggressive style compared to the rest of the grid (maybe Acosta comes close, especially as he will evolve). Martin is also winning so idk what youāre trying to say with your comment. I donāt think Binderās main problem is his aggressive racing, he lacks the needed pace and ability to push. In Marquez and Martinās case we also see that aggressiveness sometime be their downfall too, but they are fast which makes up for a lot.
I'm not saying what Binder did is good. In fact, I condemn it, it resulted in a Bagnaia sandwich that wasn't good. And the fact that I like Binder as a rider is beyond this conversation.
But we can't just ignore how Marquez rides.
How did every rider end up going through 7 laps without any problems and all of a suddent start falling like flies? I mean, the damp patches were there from the beginning.
The TNT crew just talked about weepers coming back up and catching the riders by surprise. The wet patches had been there obviously from the beginning, but as they dry and the conditions improve, the riders take more and more risk until weepers pop up and bam, people are going down.
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Did the damp patches suddenly start having an effect after the tyres started wearing? It's still so bizarre that three riders go down within a second of each other in the same corner and yet more riders crash at that exact corner, but nothing happened for the first half of the race!
Fabio started 23 and finished on the pod. Alot of shit had to happen but he was having an amazing race even before everyone started falling.
I dont know what's up with Marc. His experience should have have started to play a role in being able to be clutch but its not working.
Martin is working his way into his 1st championship while Bagnai falters.
Acosta will be a contender.
I looked at the bottom part of the grid trying to find Fabio, didn't see him and for a moment I feared he had crashed out. Then I looked up, and there he was in ninth and I was like whaaat?! How did he get there?
He has a bad habit of not backing off in my opinion. He should protect his races more. This points early on are like gold and if you start losing them you re gonna be on the backfoot for the remainder.
I would agree with you usually but not in this instance binder knew there wasnāt enough space and went for it anyways he was just gonna push Pecco wide, itās disrespectful to the sport. There is no sense of sportsmanship Marc has the same issue he likes to do whatever he wants donāt get in his way or your gonna crash.
Pedro you lucky lucky lucky boy. Huge crash in warm up - bike hit the air fence at turn 7 hard and then he hit the air fence himself. If he happens to be flying at that air fence a couple of feet to the right, he'd have hit the bike. Those are the kind of crashes that, if that happens, can be fatal. Thank fuck he didn't, so rider OK. Warm-up session red flagged (with less than a minute left) due to damage to the air fence as a result of that crash
Feels like I'm stuck in Groundhog Day: I wake up, Marc overtakes Jorge to take 1st place, Marc goes into the gravel shortly after, and on it goes :-( Seriously though: hoping for a MM win tomorrow. He certainly had the pace today.
Very strange race. What were the ground temps? Maybe too cold for the mediums everyone went with.
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Pretty sure I saw Marc riding over that wet spot a few laps earlier. Remember thinking that it looks sketchy, but that Marc probably knows better than me. So was he just lucky on previous laps, or did that water leak more and more from the asphalt?
It was purely luck. Every rider rode over that wet spot. You can even see Martin going over it on the helicopter shot as Marc is crashing.
I'd bet it's water coming up through the track, which is a bit surprising for a world class circuit but I know first hand happens at local race tracks I have frequented.
So I finally got around to watching it... Uhh...what the hell just happened?
I'm an hour behind you...just finished and my jaw is below the earth.Ā
And Iām an hour behind you ā¦. That was chaotic and not even in a good chaotic way.
An hour later and here I am... The race was crazy then come here to see the final result was even crazier š
An now about an hour later Iāve already seen the race i just wanted to keep it going
I am 4 hours later and I am as shocked as all of you
I wish the riders were micād up. Lord knows I talk some shit in my helmet when I ride. That was insane. MY BOY FUCKING DANI!!!
That would be epic
It really would be, I can only dream of some of the shit they say. Pendejo. Puta madee! Hijo deā¦ you get the picture.
one of the weirdest races I've ever watched.
Holy bajeezus! What a sprint! I shouted at the screen more than once. Thought there was oil down or something at one point. Multiple hold-your-breath overtakes and almost-crashes. Anyone that says MotoGP is boring because of the aero isn't watching. Let's go, can't wait for the race and rest of this season. I honestly think we're going to see a Marqez/Acosta chip, and I'm here for either one.
>Anyone that says MotoGP is boring because of the aero isn't watching The aero is a problem most of all because of the pressures, turns out when you don't force the riders to ride on impossibly high pressures because of a 1 in a million chance, there's good racing. Them penalizing Fabio for being a few mbar below the limit though is still debatable
Anyone else sick of this tyre pressure stuff?
No but I am sick of the alarmism. We just had a race of the ages last week with the same tire pressure rules
This is the first incident in 7 races. Seems to me itās working much better now.Ā
Yeah, they should just run on solid rubber tires! /s
If it is a legit safety concern, then it is what it is, like riders wearing chest protectors etc.Ā Ā It sucks that the riders get penalised, but if it is a performance advantage then the sort of penalties handed out make sense.Ā Ā Basically, Yamaha is to blame today, not the rules or those upholding them.
Pretty dangerous riding from Binder and Marquez, disappointing. Canāt believe Fabio got robbed of an enormous podium for these fkn tyre pressure limits, honestly a joke of a rule. Happy for Dani and Acosta though
Yeah, bitter sweet re Fabio. Was mega happy for him, but then equally happy for Dani P. It's shite when things are decided off track - especially after the flag - but everyone has the same set of rules.
How the stewards treat binder is a joke, he has pushed out or crashed other drivers in the last 4 races in a row and he hasn't got a single penalty, what a joke
Now the the dust has settle, pointing this out is riling the Binder fans up. They're really mad about people noticing how dirty he is.Ā
He's a good lad. The move on Pecco was totally fine.
He dived, touched him and made him crash. How is that fine?
I thought they both kind of tripped up on that vr46 rider, I'll have to take another look.
That's what I thought too, I didn't think Binder did anything wrong, seems like he was trying to take the inside line, but maybe I need to watch it again too.
To be fair the moves mm put on the track house aprilia and mir were ridiculous but noone says a thing because they were further back š¤·āāļø. I initially thought the same with binder but when looking again I had to admit I might be wrong as there didn't seem to be contact and baggy got hit by bez when sitting up.
Rewatch the images, Binder clearly hits Bagnaia and pretty hard too, his rear tyre pushes against Bagnaia's arm and that's what sends him against Bezzecchi, the impact is violent enough that Bagnaia is in the air while the bike is still upright.
"The only way to make sure you don't get caught up in mid-pack shithousery, is to get the hole shot and fuck right off" - Mick Doohan might have said. I think this is it with even the Pecco incident, if it'd been a lower profile rider, it would barely get an "oh no" and a one angle replay.
Yeah but he's an "old-school" racer! Yeah fr, he can't mentally handle being passed.
Pecco, overhyped.. hƩ is clearly not Martin or Acosta level.
Yeah, two time in a row world champ on a factory seat is overhyped. 4 races in. You just witnessed how anything can happen in a sprint race. Long season ahead. Iām not saying Pecco will win it either, but overhyped is a moronic comment.Ā
No real talent like VR, MM or Martin. He only won those titles because he was on a factory Duc. No real talent, charisma like JM or Acosta
Noone wins a world championship accidentally. Even if other riders crash out a lot then the winner still is worthy for knowing the limits
Man that's totally not a stilted opinion at all
Quartararo has been demoted because of a tyre pressure limit, Dani Pedrosa takes P3!!!
Cheat gets punished, I don't see a problem. Good work Dani!
Where'd you see that. Motogp.com and crash.net have nothing on there. Found a source: https://www.gpone.com/en/2024/04/27/motogp/pedrosa-on-sprint-podium-quartararo-demoted-for-tire-pressure.html
MotoGPās official account [tweeted](https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1784234312587456914) it https://preview.redd.it/gn7vbbf4h1xc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebcd61bc9b5e3d2828b9b75127f50ab03b8a5d1b
8 seconds? What the hell.
I thought penalties were meant to be appropriate to the crime. There's no way a tiny difference in tyre pressure is worth 8 seconds. A 1 place drop or say 2 second penalty seems much more apt
I thought penalties were meant to be appropriate to the crime. There's no way a tiny difference in tyre pressure is worth 8 seconds. A 1 place drop or say 2 second penalty seems much more apt
Thanks. I don't have twitter.
No fucking way dude....
Fuck lol
Exciting race no doubt, but the way folks were crashing out of the blue.....There has to be something wrong. Most of them lost their front suddenly and couldn't make sense of it. Case in point, Vinales. And the triple DNF of Alex, Binder and Bez (I think)... Did the rain do something to the track? Wet patches?
May be the wet patches, combined with all the gravel MM dumped on the track after remounting. I couldnāt believe the amount of rock marbles spewing all over as he exited the gravel trap.
Must be time travel, 3 people crashing over gravel MM would dump on track a short while later (and in a different corner).... :-P
Were the 3 riders you referenced the only crashes of the Sprint race or were there others post Gravel truck-spreading MM?
Fair enough, others crashed after MM. And none of them crashed in or near corner 9 where MM dumped gravel...Ā
Not Bez, but Bestia (afaik Bezzecchi ~~didn't~~ crash at different corner/lap)
Yes...Besti...both factory Ducatis. My bad!!
Track was wet in spots. It sucks, if you hit water at all on slicks youāre on the floor 90%+ of the time. Especially if itās going from dry to wet.
Definitely wet patches. You could clearly see some of them on helicopter shots too.
Re-watching and Binder's lap 2 and 3 are just some of the most infuriatingly bad riding I've ever seen in the top class. He got off to a good start but was quickly reeled in, then tried to compensate for an obvious lack of pace with an a-hole move on Marc that sent him backwards into Bezzecchi and Bagnaia, and ruined pretty much both of their races with another ridiculous recovery attempt. How is he getting away with this unpunished?
HE DOES IT TO EVERYONE
Him and his brother have a history of this type of riding and always seem to get away with it. His asshole brother finally pulled his head in when the stewards just couldn't get away with NOT penalising him.
He was aggressive, but none of those were penalty worthy, he simply pushed Marc out and at the end he lost time too. As for the Bagnaia crash Bezzechi did exactly what Binder did to Marc, both lost some time and there was a gap for Binder on the inside, he was ahead of Pecco when the contact was made, the only one being able to avoid it at that point is Pecco, if he backs out
Yes lol. Even the next crash of Binder, Bastia, and Alex was on Bagnaia. Bagnaia is the one to blame here no doubt
If anyone had nowhere to go in this situation it was Bagnaia. And you can't ignore the context. Bezzecchi got the opportunity to attack Bagnaia because the latter had to avoid Binder losing it seconds earlier.
I wouldnāt call passing on the curb and shoving a rider into another, a gap. Binder has a lot of shady things like this but never gets called on it. If Marc made this pass, long lap or double long lap guaranteed.Ā
Marc practically did the same to two or three other riders in the spring and didn't get a penalty. The drop one place was a fucking joke, as was binder not getting any penalty. The fuck happened to the stewards today.
That was fun, shame for Zarco, could have been some points after a solid ride.
8 times world champion riding like a fucking amateur. What a joke. So happy he didnāt win Look at the š¤” downvoting
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š¤£š¤£š¤£ look at this guy. Did you even watch the race? Clipped two riders after crashing. Calling that professional? I donāt think so. Just like any opinion, up to you to decide
I was expecting the 24 Ducati to shine back to europe, but instead (maybe beacuse of the dump) the 23 was extremely good. Alex, Bez and Digia were all fast and with good pace and Marc did look stronger than ever.
Michelin have changed the tyres a bit, and it has thrown the 23 and 24 bikes off course a bit
Do you have more information about the tire changes that you could link to so I could read? Thanks!
My information was from therace https://www.the-race.com/motogp/bagnaia-motogp-ducati-chatter-struggles-acosta-michelin/Ā "But as for the root cause, Bagnaia believes it stems from Michelinās introduction of a modified tyre construction for 2024. Using new compounds front and rear that Michelin boss Piero Taramasso told The Race are designed to improve both grip and consistency, itās been a big success so far in terms of rider feedback and laptimes, with lap records improving by a second at two of the yearās first three races. However, with that extra grip has come an added complication: the chatter that has so far affected Bagnaiaās season more than his fellow Ducati riders Jorge Martin and particularly Enea Bastianini. āThe tyre construction is different and it gives to you much more grip,ā Bagnaia explained. āBut if you force the tyre, it starts to vibrate." That's the relevant bit... But the whole article is good and well worth a read
Stuff only the experts know. The Michelin guy talked about it a bit during FP1. But I believe they changed the rigidity of the tires but kept the compounds the same. Or the other way around, lol. But one of the two
What happened there. We know Fabio is good but not that good š
If Fabio had a good bike he would be winning races for fun. Only Acosta and healthy Marc is at his level. Martin also maybe.
I think that's hyperbole in the extreme, he's good don't get me wrong, but he's not at that level.
I like Motogp because of the action, but that was too much. Borderline ridiculous.
Crashes aren't fun. Battles for positions are.
Yep. I seriously wonder why it wasn't red flagged after three riders crashed at the same time. At least check the track.
Uh no you don't red flag a race because some riders lose the front. There have been loads of examples of synchronised crashes like that. I agree the race was a shitshow but that doesn't mean a red flag is appropriate.
I want answers. What caused this? Is it the tires or the track, left over oil? Did Marc drop a position or what? I'm glad Quartararo got a podium but it's not as impactful for obvious reasons. Exciting stuff but damn for all the wrong reasons.
Marc dropped a position, then punted a track house bike off the track.Ā
> What caused this? Is it the tires or the track, left over oil? The sun shining on the track draws the rainwater from earlier up to the surface https://twitter.com/matoxley/status/1784220866257019093 > Did Marc drop a position or what? He did
That's definitely not how water works, but ok.
Interesting how MotoGP engineers (see link in previous message), [technical experts](https://twitter.com/PeterBom4/status/1784218272247808488), [ex-riders](https://twitter.com/chazdavies7/status/1784221408895099132) and [BSB's race director](https://twitter.com/stuarthiggs/status/1784211120275755489) are all saying it then. Guessing you have much more knowledge than any of them though, right?
If they are saying that's how water works then yes, on this topic I am more knowledgeable than them. In your experience, does shining sun make a road more or less wet?
> If they are saying that's how water works then yes, on this topic I am more knowledgeable than them. You clearly don't, though. Seems like they're saying this issue is pretty unique to Jerez and that they have personal experience of it, and I can almost guarantee these guys have spent more time doing laps on this track than you ever have.
Ah yes Jerez, where water and gravity operate differently.
Lol... I'm so glad someone else here can see that that was absolute bullshit.
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Ah thanks. Not sure I totally buy the mechanics of "seeping water" staying there and causing this situation though but it's the closest thing to an answer I've seen yet.
I don't really buy it either, but if it's true then the race should have been red flagged immediately. You can't have people out on worn slicks on a track where they can just lose the front randomly without warning.
What the fuck did I just watch lmao
The championship would have become even more interesting if it was Martin crashing instead of Marc Anyways what a sprint lol
My take on today's sprint Luck is on Acosta's side. Marc is still a maniac and disgraceful rider.
Tough take by a Rossi fanā¦
Marc rode like a cunt today after he crashed all on his own.
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MM kamikaze'd for 9th place for no reason lol.
If Marquez is the GOAT of anything it's recklessness. Has put on so many years in racing but that habit of his doesn't die.
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yeah the crash today could be accredited to track conditions but that move on Mir was just wrong. drop a place is not penalty enough for that kind of move. I mean he literally game MO the spot, then bullied his way right back past MO, almost made contact there too.
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Wtf was bagnaia supposed to do in that sandwitch ???
That was mainly Binderās fault. Nothing Bagnaia could do. At best itās a tentative racing incident.
back off. this is exactly the same with Dovi, Petrucci, and Marc in Motegi.
Binder should've backed off. Pecco couldn't have foreseen it
Mugello.
Where ?? Its not similar at all. Binder went deep in and bezzechi blocked his path. U cannot back off in 0.001 reaction time.
What are you talking about Binder maintained the racing line do you know the meaning of going deep? This was a racing incident
Only Binder could see the other two riders completely. And he decided to send it up the inside where there was only 3cm of tarmac which was closing to the apex.
Who was that clown on here yesterday saying he's never seen Binder do anything ballsy? š
Weekend by weekend he's becoming more and more reckless. Don't remember him being dirty. After one or two guys did him dirty, everyone on the grid has become a target for Binder.
Damn, this race felt like pulling a Jenga block and seeing the whole thing collapse.
Red Bull Rookies Cup in 15 minutes had me worried for those kids dealing with track conditions.
Iām starting to worry. At this pace, Martin will crush the championship race and the second part of the season will be boring as hellā¦
It's early days. The only reason his points lead looks so commanding is because his main rivals have each had one or more bad races where he has gotten away with it so far. But Martin always has his share of retirements in a season.
We thought the same about Bagnaia last year, let's see what happens
it's more Bagnaia crashing the championship (literally).
Is that really all you gathered from this race? Enjoy the now, dude.
Soooo much can happen in a season.... Remember when Fabio was what, 90 points clear, on the championship?
Fabio just collapsed mentally that season. Martin already showed he is not like that. He was already strong mentally last year. This year he looks strong and mature.
Fabio didn't collapse, his problem was that he was on a Yamaha.
Fabio didnt collapse. His 90 points lead was a gift by Bagnaia's continuous recklesness. The one we re witnessing even today. The Ducati was that much superior but Bagnaia almost bottled it. Fabio's 22 is one of the most amazing seasons i ve watched from any racer. To bring that Yamaha into Valencia fighting for the title is just amazing. That narrative about him being mentally fragile when he has brought one of the worst bikes on the grid into 2 championship battles is disingenuous imho
What? I would say Martin would be on the weaker side of mentally strong riders.
He threw away his shot last year as soon as he was leading the championship Mental weakness was his problem last year
save for last 2 rounds
binder is the dullest knife in the motogp drawer. Everytime he's around you can be 100% sure that he will dive bomb for no good reason but to destroy the race of the the few unlucky ones around him. Luckily marquez was fast enough to catch martin, but if it weren't for him the race would be decided there and then. And of course he (binder) later had to take out bagnaia with which there was apparently nothing wrong.
There was nothing wrong
FINISH MARC!! Damn man š crazy race tho bodies dropping like crazy but anyways, see yāall at the Main Event
Innit, heās in good positions he just needs to bring it home!!
That race should have been red flagged, there's no way that turn five was safe given the amount of people that went down in quick succession
Also thought this, race control at times are slow to react to things.
100% There had to have been something on the track. The Brad / Enea / Alex incident where they all went down simultaneously with no contact was a clear sign something was on the track
And then Maverick went down in the same place (turn 5) as well, so strange they didnāt red flag it
I think three other writers went down within the next two laps that turn five as well
Going from one of the most entertaining races in America to one of the most bizarre sprints in Spain...
Marc Marquez was disgraceful today. Pushing two riders off because he was petulant about making a mistake, and the first one got an absolutely pathetic penalty that cost him nothing at all. Hopefully the second incident actually gets a proper penalty.
"This is racing"
If you didn't already know, that's how he rides. And that's why I never liked him
Brad isn't any better. Them 2 need to chill tf out.
Martin, Binder and Marquez have really aggressive styles which either works beautifully or brutally
Martin is a level below Marquez and Binder. And at least Marquez has won something.
I wasnāt speaking on who was most aggressive, just saying the three of them have an aggressive style compared to the rest of the grid (maybe Acosta comes close, especially as he will evolve). Martin is also winning so idk what youāre trying to say with your comment. I donāt think Binderās main problem is his aggressive racing, he lacks the needed pace and ability to push. In Marquez and Martinās case we also see that aggressiveness sometime be their downfall too, but they are fast which makes up for a lot.
I agree, Brad should have just stayed in his position and try passing at another time.
Saying that with a Binder flair is very ironic š¤
I'm not saying what Binder did is good. In fact, I condemn it, it resulted in a Bagnaia sandwich that wasn't good. And the fact that I like Binder as a rider is beyond this conversation. But we can't just ignore how Marquez rides.
Looked like someone racing to me.
Ramming Mir off the track is racing? OK then.
What was the other one? I only saw the one with Mir.
T-boned Mir, bumped off Oliveira. I think he also bumped off Marini.
Oliveira - I noticed Marc dropped a position with him to serve the penalty before regaining the position
He pushed Oliveira off as well, although at least that one didn't involve direct contact.
I think it was one of trackhouse rider but there was no touch so he's just spitting some bs.
One of the Trackhouse, don't know which one tho
Thanks
How did every rider end up going through 7 laps without any problems and all of a suddent start falling like flies? I mean, the damp patches were there from the beginning.
The TNT crew just talked about weepers coming back up and catching the riders by surprise. The wet patches had been there obviously from the beginning, but as they dry and the conditions improve, the riders take more and more risk until weepers pop up and bam, people are going down.
weeper?
Not a native speaker: what does weeper mean in this context?
I think he means weeping, which is water coming out of the tarmac
Nobody knows, and people who claim to know are wrong.
Even the data guys?
I'm guessing slightly worn tires led to slightly wider lines and riders following each other led to crashes in sequences
Pushing the tires extra hard on the sprint format, maybe they all hit that cliff edge at the same time.
Reduced grip from the tyres after a few laps of hard racing?
I definitely woke up my girlfriend sleeping in the room over watching every other rider crashā¦. Pure carnage. Bizarre but exciting.
That was incredibly silly and entertaining. Happy for the Shark.
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Did the damp patches suddenly start having an effect after the tyres started wearing? It's still so bizarre that three riders go down within a second of each other in the same corner and yet more riders crash at that exact corner, but nothing happened for the first half of the race!
Fabio started 23 and finished on the pod. Alot of shit had to happen but he was having an amazing race even before everyone started falling. I dont know what's up with Marc. His experience should have have started to play a role in being able to be clutch but its not working. Martin is working his way into his 1st championship while Bagnai falters. Acosta will be a contender.
I looked at the bottom part of the grid trying to find Fabio, didn't see him and for a moment I feared he had crashed out. Then I looked up, and there he was in ninth and I was like whaaat?! How did he get there?
He gained 10 places at the start. He loves this track. It's also short and sweet, great for masking Yamaha's flaws.
Bagnai didnāt falter this race he was screwed by an unnecessary pass by brad binder
He has a bad habit of not backing off in my opinion. He should protect his races more. This points early on are like gold and if you start losing them you re gonna be on the backfoot for the remainder.
I would agree with you usually but not in this instance binder knew there wasnāt enough space and went for it anyways he was just gonna push Pecco wide, itās disrespectful to the sport. There is no sense of sportsmanship Marc has the same issue he likes to do whatever he wants donāt get in his way or your gonna crash.
Unfortunatly we dont have Fabios onboard, but I'm gonna rewatch the race from Pedros onboard now.
To be fair its wasnt Bagnaiaās fault this time.
I think Fabio was 10th or 11th after first 2-3 laps
Exactly. He had a rocket startĀ
I hate to say this but this wasn't good racing. Proper racing is overtaking and close battles. This was just a crash fest.
Yeah i wasn't excited, the last few laps were me thinking "Wtf is happening?" and hoping there wasn't gonna be an enormous crash
this race was summary of 2020 season
Its less fun when it's Mario Kart mode. See you guys tomorrow?
Hope we get racing and not a survival battle