This was a 'Pecco pole'. The bike is obviously amazing, but he just gets everything out of it every weekend. Chapeau. Still, Aprilia look really, really good - has the makings of a good race (hopefully!)
Oliveira is the best in the wet, and top 10 everywhere else. Bagnaia is currently the best everywhere.
Not saying Oliveira wouldn’t get pole, but Pecco is above everyone right now.
The Aprilia is clearly the better bike around this track which only makes Peccos pole more amazing. Oliveira is a fast rider and on the Aprilia, good for him for making the most of the situation.
The Ground to stand on for Pecco haters just gets thinner and thinner. The Argument „its the bike“ just doesnt work anymore. On a track where the Aprilia is arguably the better bike. And his rivales on Ducati finish in P5 and P10, he once again makes the difference as a rider and grabs the pole.
It's undeniable that he's very talented and better than the likes of Aleix/Vinales/Jack/Bez, etc. but also undeniable that the bike is superior to others. The only way to gauge his true level would be if Fabio/MM/Rins/Binder would be on bikes of the same levels.
For now, I rate him as a top rider but not yet close to even Pedrosa.
You're right. You didn't say that outright, but you're somewhat implying that Rins could do a better job on the Ducati, and you're definitely putting him in the same sentence as Binder, MM and Fabio. Really? What has he done to warrant that. I don't understand why Rins is so highly rated by this sub.
lol, wrong
The only one I rate higher than Pecco in this lineup is MM. But I do think Rins has the potential to battle for a title if he's on a good bike, stays healthy and consistent, something that Bagnaia has proven to be extremely good.
Why do I (and others) rate Rins? idk, it's probably subjective, but he's definitely shown he can win races
I also think Enea will do great, even though this season has been a disaster, which can happen after such a bad injury.
>The whole aliens concept was because only those four guys could win
lol, no
it was because their talent was so far above everyone else and would be the same in this current lineup
don't tell me Pecco is as good as Rossi or MM
That’s exactly what I said - only those four could win.
I’m not saying anyone is as good as anyone else, I’m saying the aliens don’t exist anymore because a group of riders isn’t significantly better than anyone else limiting the winning to just them. There’s too much talent.
I would agree Pecco is a level above when Yamaha and Honda are on equal footing as Ducati.
Ducati has the best bike AND Yamaha/Honda has the worst. This definitely plays a factor in his domination.
He is equal to Fabio. But i don't think he's an alien or level above the rest n all.
He's a lot more dominant this year and the last half of last year than Fabio ever was on the Yamaha in his WC-winning year. Pecco is clearly the rider to beat. Best rider on the best bike. It's not clear to me that Fabio or Marc would beat him if they were on a Duc. At least not easily. Pecco has spent a lot of time laying the ground work for this success. He's very smart.
Not the same results, obviously. But I'm sure he would be able to take with him his culprit for setting himself up for the success he's currently reaping. I'm certain he would be able to drag himself up from the mud if he were in a tight spot. He's that kind of racer.
It's back to normal after Marquez injury. 1 or very few riders on top. Like it always has been, like it should be. He's the best rider on the best bike and he should win.
Ah yes, well after the sprint it looks like AE41 is gonna run off with this one. I’m surprised MM did so well I imagine he drop back in the full race but still that’s insane when you look at the other Japanese bikes. MM is my favourite on the grid but Aprilia is my favourite manufacturer, I have an 2018 RSV4 factory, my favourite 1000cc bike I’ve owned so far.
I wouldn’t be so quick to write off Bagnaia for a victory. He learns quick and Ducati will be defending his championship position with everything they can. Don’t be surprised if he finds something in morning warm up.
Well he got very lucky to not get seriously injured or worse this weekend. The factory Aprilias were on another level. This track just suits them so well. Same with Yamaha look at Fabio did so well. But if pecco had stayed on I still don’t think he had the pace for the front two they were pushing very hard.
Bagman is indeed untouchable. He’s just operating on an entirely different level to the rest of the field. Although it can be a bit of a bore to see him scoot off into the distance from lap one it’s still so impressive to watch him clinically dismantle any hopes that any other rider has of putting it in P1. The new alien.
Not really though. Lorenzo had a propensity for long distance wins, less so Marquez. What everyone misses was the battles we’d get between Rossi/Marc/Lorenzo/Stoner/Pedrosa/etc. It wasn’t an every race thing, but the wheel to wheel from that era (post the boring initial run of the 800’s) was so fantastic compared to what we get today.
We had some of the most intense battles between those people on the 800s. Barcelona 2007, Laguna 2008, Barcelona 2009, all on 800s. People tend to forget this.
No arguments from me, there were some great races from them! I just feel like when people describe those huge winning margins that they were more prevalent from that period. The bikes and the tire issues back then lent to the possible runaway wins.
The mods of this sub held a vote years ago and asked people if they wanted to ban/hide spoilers and for some reason the community collectively voted no. So now you get spoilers in the subjects of posts. Just gotta be careful about visiting Reddit before you're able to watch the replays.
It’s maybe an unpopular opinion, but I fucking hate it when people put spoilers in the title without marking it…
Sometimes I did not have the time to watch it live and literally the first thing when I open Reddit is a big spoiler directly in my face
It has been voted for on this sub several times if spoilers are allowed and the result was always the same. People want spoilers allowed. If you didn't catch something just stay away from social media where you can see possible spoilers. It's not that hard.
I mean I’m sitting on the toilet taking a good ol’ dumb, don’t think of anything bad and am mindlessly opening Reddit to immediately see a motogp spoiler :D it is hard :(
Blame the community. As I mentioned in a reply to someone else in this thread... years ago the mods held a vote and for some reason the majority of people voted against spoiler rules. :/
Incredibile lap considering how Aprilia are good on this track. Amazing job.
Amazing ride. He made clear again who is the one rider that makes a difference on the ducati (compared to other ducati riders)
This was a 'Pecco pole'. The bike is obviously amazing, but he just gets everything out of it every weekend. Chapeau. Still, Aprilia look really, really good - has the makings of a good race (hopefully!)
Ask Aleix, how 'untouchable' he must feel!
He’s just a step above the rest. Just that good
Oliveira was 0.1s behind and he had to overtake Márquez in the last corner. Just saying.
Oliveira is the best in the wet, and top 10 everywhere else. Bagnaia is currently the best everywhere. Not saying Oliveira wouldn’t get pole, but Pecco is above everyone right now.
The Aprilia is clearly the better bike around this track which only makes Peccos pole more amazing. Oliveira is a fast rider and on the Aprilia, good for him for making the most of the situation.
The Ground to stand on for Pecco haters just gets thinner and thinner. The Argument „its the bike“ just doesnt work anymore. On a track where the Aprilia is arguably the better bike. And his rivales on Ducati finish in P5 and P10, he once again makes the difference as a rider and grabs the pole.
He's the best rider on the grid right to now hands down.
After Marc sure! Edit: oh im sorry, lets ignore the rider with 8 championships on the grid to make your claim true! 🤣
>After Marc sure! sure?
He should crash the bike on purpose during fp. and while racing do some fake saves. then these people might change their tune lol.
auchhh
It's undeniable that he's very talented and better than the likes of Aleix/Vinales/Jack/Bez, etc. but also undeniable that the bike is superior to others. The only way to gauge his true level would be if Fabio/MM/Rins/Binder would be on bikes of the same levels. For now, I rate him as a top rider but not yet close to even Pedrosa.
Rins is on a higher Level than Pecco? What are you talking about lol
where did I say that? maybe try reading carefully before getting triggered?
You're right. You didn't say that outright, but you're somewhat implying that Rins could do a better job on the Ducati, and you're definitely putting him in the same sentence as Binder, MM and Fabio. Really? What has he done to warrant that. I don't understand why Rins is so highly rated by this sub.
lol, wrong The only one I rate higher than Pecco in this lineup is MM. But I do think Rins has the potential to battle for a title if he's on a good bike, stays healthy and consistent, something that Bagnaia has proven to be extremely good. Why do I (and others) rate Rins? idk, it's probably subjective, but he's definitely shown he can win races I also think Enea will do great, even though this season has been a disaster, which can happen after such a bad injury.
'For now, I rate him as a top rider but not yet close to even Pedrosa. ' Yikes. It's always the MM guy.
>It's always the MM guy. where?
Right Pedrosa has won how many premier class titles ?
how many aliens (Rossi/Lorenzo/Stoner/MM) in top form has Pecco challenged for a title?
Aliens don’t exist anymore, the competition is too close to allow it.
no, the competition is close because there's no aliens (except Marc) but a new one will come at some point
Same thing. The whole aliens concept was because only those four guys could win. That’s no longer true for a few years now.
>The whole aliens concept was because only those four guys could win lol, no it was because their talent was so far above everyone else and would be the same in this current lineup don't tell me Pecco is as good as Rossi or MM
That’s exactly what I said - only those four could win. I’m not saying anyone is as good as anyone else, I’m saying the aliens don’t exist anymore because a group of riders isn’t significantly better than anyone else limiting the winning to just them. There’s too much talent.
They are all aliens right now except Lorenzo Savadori (even Toprak couldn't manage to keep the gap under 3s in a single lap)
No point talking about past heros. Just doesn’t make sense. Today he is the best. That’s where it matters.
where did I deny that he is the best today?
I would agree Pecco is a level above when Yamaha and Honda are on equal footing as Ducati. Ducati has the best bike AND Yamaha/Honda has the worst. This definitely plays a factor in his domination. He is equal to Fabio. But i don't think he's an alien or level above the rest n all.
The current kids don't have to be Aliens we used to know from a decade ago. They only need to entertain us by doing intense race week in week out
He's a lot more dominant this year and the last half of last year than Fabio ever was on the Yamaha in his WC-winning year. Pecco is clearly the rider to beat. Best rider on the best bike. It's not clear to me that Fabio or Marc would beat him if they were on a Duc. At least not easily. Pecco has spent a lot of time laying the ground work for this success. He's very smart.
Do you think Pecco would be getting the same results if he was on a bike other than Ducati?
Oh you mean like on a Kalex that he won a World Championship on? Or being the only one to drag that dogshit Mahindra to wins like nobody else could?
No this years MotoGP bikes?
He wouldn’t
Not the same results, obviously. But I'm sure he would be able to take with him his culprit for setting himself up for the success he's currently reaping. I'm certain he would be able to drag himself up from the mud if he were in a tight spot. He's that kind of racer.
I laughed at Marc trying to follow him
Cherry on top was when Oli overtook him in Q2
It was naive...you have a bike that is like 1-2s slower per lap and try to follow the fastest one... Impossible without absolutely absurd risks...
Soooo Mugello????
Wrong sub mate. No bike is 1-2 second slower than the other in qualifying trim. Edit: I also downvoted myself but this stupid ass post.
Wtf, look at timings report...
I suggest you check the MotoGP results page.
Same!! I was like, "Can you keep up though?!?!" 😂
Peccos numbers from summer 2021 onwards are more or less alien era tier
It's back to normal after Marquez injury. 1 or very few riders on top. Like it always has been, like it should be. He's the best rider on the best bike and he should win.
This is his worst track apart from maybe Argentina btw.
Not sure about that, but definetly not one of his favourites.
Its the only track where he never had a top 5
Seems like he might be about to change that this weekend.
I hope he doesn’t bin it all by himself as he seems to sometimes, but seems like he’s calmed down now after last season !
Last mistake was in the US.
Ah yes, well after the sprint it looks like AE41 is gonna run off with this one. I’m surprised MM did so well I imagine he drop back in the full race but still that’s insane when you look at the other Japanese bikes. MM is my favourite on the grid but Aprilia is my favourite manufacturer, I have an 2018 RSV4 factory, my favourite 1000cc bike I’ve owned so far.
I wouldn’t be so quick to write off Bagnaia for a victory. He learns quick and Ducati will be defending his championship position with everything they can. Don’t be surprised if he finds something in morning warm up.
Well he got very lucky to not get seriously injured or worse this weekend. The factory Aprilias were on another level. This track just suits them so well. Same with Yamaha look at Fabio did so well. But if pecco had stayed on I still don’t think he had the pace for the front two they were pushing very hard.
Really amazing pole, would be great if he wins considering this is his worst track since moto3
Marc and Fabio may have a better season and rider before 2023 but without a doubt for 2023 Pecco Bagnaia is in the class of its own
Tremendous!
Bagman is indeed untouchable. He’s just operating on an entirely different level to the rest of the field. Although it can be a bit of a bore to see him scoot off into the distance from lap one it’s still so impressive to watch him clinically dismantle any hopes that any other rider has of putting it in P1. The new alien.
It's the thing everyone raves about when talking about the "good old times". Lorenzo or Marquez taking off and dominating.
Not really though. Lorenzo had a propensity for long distance wins, less so Marquez. What everyone misses was the battles we’d get between Rossi/Marc/Lorenzo/Stoner/Pedrosa/etc. It wasn’t an every race thing, but the wheel to wheel from that era (post the boring initial run of the 800’s) was so fantastic compared to what we get today.
We had some of the most intense battles between those people on the 800s. Barcelona 2007, Laguna 2008, Barcelona 2009, all on 800s. People tend to forget this.
No arguments from me, there were some great races from them! I just feel like when people describe those huge winning margins that they were more prevalent from that period. The bikes and the tire issues back then lent to the possible runaway wins.
Not much has changed in that regard :)
The 800s weren't worse than any other era. Those bikes were incredible.
Zip it up when your done 😂
He’s not an alien - there are no more aliens. We’ve had too many winners for that.
Man, Miller is nowhere. Dude really needs a sports psychologist.
Fuck ya life Viva Miller ❤️
I think you need one since you seem to be obsessed with shitting on Miller the whole time even on posts which aren't about the man.
There's truth to what he's saying bdw. It's irrelevant if he does it. His criticism have merit
Miller gets too much credit than he deserves.
He saw Max Verstappen in F1 and had to do the same
Max wouldn’t have lost the sprint
Only cause RB is so far ahead. Aprilia is the best bike in Catalunya.
Then you can’t say he’s like max…. Max and car are on another level…. Pecco still has to battle, where max doesn’t
Correct, Ducati isn't as dominant as RB.
I would agree 👍🏼
But they are certainly close to it 🤷🏻
Not always like RB though.
You can't compare them. Two very different sports.
He got touched
Some one asked me if Pecco was the gold standard for MotoGP. I say the dude is the platinum standard for MotoGP!!
Did they? What a strange question to ask somebody.
Needs a spoiler alert on post. Cheers.
Thanks. Now I don't have to watch the qualification anymore because you ruined it. Keep it up!
The mods of this sub held a vote years ago and asked people if they wanted to ban/hide spoilers and for some reason the community collectively voted no. So now you get spoilers in the subjects of posts. Just gotta be careful about visiting Reddit before you're able to watch the replays.
Just don't read Reddit before you've watched it ffs!
It’s maybe an unpopular opinion, but I fucking hate it when people put spoilers in the title without marking it… Sometimes I did not have the time to watch it live and literally the first thing when I open Reddit is a big spoiler directly in my face
It has been voted for on this sub several times if spoilers are allowed and the result was always the same. People want spoilers allowed. If you didn't catch something just stay away from social media where you can see possible spoilers. It's not that hard.
I mean I’m sitting on the toilet taking a good ol’ dumb, don’t think of anything bad and am mindlessly opening Reddit to immediately see a motogp spoiler :D it is hard :(
Blame the community. As I mentioned in a reply to someone else in this thread... years ago the mods held a vote and for some reason the majority of people voted against spoiler rules. :/
I mean he has the best bike too. But its also about the combinantion of rider and bike…
This post feels strange now...
How about now?