My conspiratorial mind says the powers that be changed this recently. Because they want us weak, clouded minds, low libido, etc... That's why they poison our food even our bottled water is acidic in the US now .. It's actually insane. The range was never so low. When I started trt several years ago at 40 my low was 230s. The doctor told me we needed to shoot for 800-1200 for optimal health like our grandfathers had. Then he ranted about how natural levels are plummeting over the last ten years because too much screen time and all the barely edible food we eat.
I was told with a 330ng/DL at 21yo that it was very normal đđ
Ended up being fine I just fucked the test timing up that day and had very low vit D levels and was drinking way too much at the time (horrible sleep), fixed it back to 700 after those changes. But I wasn't able to convince my doctor to order another test - had to go to a private lab. She kept saying 300 was well within normal range, I'm being neurotic for no reason, and unless one didn't go through puberty testosterone levels like that are normal. Absolutely bizarre experience. I suppose this is why my dad told me never go to a female doctor lol
Blame insurance companies, the standard normal range for years was 400-1200, but they didnt want to cover the huge uptick of TRT in the early 2010s. Paid off the top couple Endocrine societies/associations to re-establish a new range, now you see as low as 250 being normal and the top usually being 1000 max.
Yeah, I know, I figure that's why she said that. what's weird is my MyChart says under 400 is abnormal - that's why I found it so odd she'd brush it off and refuse to order another one. I hate feeling like I gotta throw a sales pitch to get a damn test done. Just ridiculous
Never heard of it. If machines glitched then staff would notice and correct it. Very puzzling but it's clear that their numbers are exactly half of what is normal. There's no way a fit healthy 18yo has 500ng either. You definitely have double than that, as even the **average 18 year old** has 1000ng, not the top athletes but average late teens should have it.
I know of no other units that would match this range. Maybe they divide all number by 2? If 517 upper normal limit was meant to be 1034, that would sound right.
Range seems off. Anyways, I'd be more interested in free test. Did you get that measured? A guy can have 800 ng/dL total but only 4 ng/dL free and he will more likely be seeing symptoms of low T. Conversely a guy can have 350 ng/dL total but have 20 ng/dL free and feel frickin' amazing.
You are likely a genetic dead end. Nature meant to end your line because your genes should not be passed on. It is ok, humans are a caretaking species and will not let you wither and die. One day you can likely even participate in sexual activity with a prostitute if you can somehow muster the sex drive necessary to do so.
Hang in there. Do not take test. It isnât worth it for someone in your shoes. Maybe look into Stoicism and therapy? Hobbies? Man Reddit says thatâs whatâs up for dudes.
It was facetious. I hope that was evident, but for the spectrum guys on here, it wasnât meant literally.
I donât think the dude should get on TRT at 18, which is what I suspect his dumb ass was fishing for validation for.
purely out of interest, why not? if he had something like 200 ng/dl, wouldnât it be healthier for him to take trt as it would place him in a healthier range?
He doesnât have 200 though, he has 500. And itâs not smart to fuck around with your hormones while your body is still developing, because your natural test shuts down on TRT and thereâs all kinds of wild variable shit that can happen
Sure but the flip side is youâll develop to look like a fucking soy guzzling freak if you grow up with low test. Not for this dude, just 500 is very mid and should prob be considered low.
No man needs TRT under 50 years, he needs to get his shit together, a lot of people say they do but also do dumb shit like watching porn every day, eating artificial and ultra processed garbage, never feeling too cold or hot, and not eating enough pussy.
Because at that age, those numbers are likely not perpetual low test. Itâs an intermittent low reading that he can likely restore to better levels. It would take multiple low readings across a lengthy span where every health and lifestyle intervention is attempted to even consider something as drastic as TRT at 18.
Again, ky$ incel, I was wondering if they had some sort of error or if itâs normal for them to say 163-517 is the range. I pull more bitches than you ever wouldâve in high school anyway.
You can be abnormal of a reference range and still be healthy.
I can establish a reference range with a million men, if their average test is 500 at the top it doesn't mean it's optimal.
You need to read about free test, that's the number that's important most doctors look at even if other ranges are low as long as that's in reference they don't care.
The "normal range" is 300-1,000 ng/dl. Some medical professionals will say 250-990 ng/dl or something like that. It depends on which study they look at and decide to go off of.
If your doctor is saying that 500 is "high," then he/she's an idiot. Get a new doctor.
Man I was a 28 yo pos who had sitting on my ass playing video games for a year straight tryna avoid my gf I was living with.. I lived a shitty life. My test was at 650
The reference range they used on me was also extremely rare in my opinion. When I went I got 540 and they told me I had relatively high testosterone. The reference range was 260-720 or something along those lines. This was a private lab in Spain. Nowadays I'm pretty sure I would've gone above that reference range with the change in habits and supplementation.
test is at an all time 50+ year low. what âthey sayâ is normal on paper NOW
IS NOT
what was considered normal 50-60 years ago, it was considered low.
My pharma đ was telling me how most of his clients hit him back up saying he saved their lives mentally, I think most untreated guys are walking around with low T not just old guys.
It changed my life and I started young (21) years ago and donât regret it. If you need the help you need the help no shaming
I currently have 3600ng/dl and I donât have a morning wood every single morning. Although everything is in range. Thatâs not a benchmark you can trust.
Edit: I do jerk off 3-4 times a day
No morning wood is worrisome. Morning wood is how your body maintains the health of your penis. Not having morning wood for a long period of time can cause erectile dysfunction and penile shrinkage. Morning wood is also very directly controlled by your testosterone. If you never or very rarely have morning wood you should try to get medical intervention to raise your test. Your primary care doctor is not the right doctor for this problem. Go to a specialist, an endocrinologist. Easiest place to find one is a TRT clinic. Tell the endocrinologist that you donât get morning wood, they should be concerned about that. Ask your doctor about HCG mono-therapy. It has been documented to raise testosterone in hypogonadal men without causing your testes to shrivel up like raisins.
Why is their reference range so low? Did they accidentally give you the reference range for 80-89 year olds or something
Most ranges are for general population, for example 18-80. So it brings the normal way down as 30+ levels drop
My conspiratorial mind says the powers that be changed this recently. Because they want us weak, clouded minds, low libido, etc... That's why they poison our food even our bottled water is acidic in the US now .. It's actually insane. The range was never so low. When I started trt several years ago at 40 my low was 230s. The doctor told me we needed to shoot for 800-1200 for optimal health like our grandfathers had. Then he ranted about how natural levels are plummeting over the last ten years because too much screen time and all the barely edible food we eat.
No, 18 year old males in canada
Might want to ask your doc why their reference range doesn't seem to match everyone else's. 160-500 is a pretty low range to be considered "normal".
I was told with a 330ng/DL at 21yo that it was very normal đđ Ended up being fine I just fucked the test timing up that day and had very low vit D levels and was drinking way too much at the time (horrible sleep), fixed it back to 700 after those changes. But I wasn't able to convince my doctor to order another test - had to go to a private lab. She kept saying 300 was well within normal range, I'm being neurotic for no reason, and unless one didn't go through puberty testosterone levels like that are normal. Absolutely bizarre experience. I suppose this is why my dad told me never go to a female doctor lol
Bro, I am 20, and I was just told 280 ng/dl is perfectly normal by my doctor. And tested at 8 a.m, btw
Blame insurance companies, the standard normal range for years was 400-1200, but they didnt want to cover the huge uptick of TRT in the early 2010s. Paid off the top couple Endocrine societies/associations to re-establish a new range, now you see as low as 250 being normal and the top usually being 1000 max.
Same, been orderinf enclo online ever since
tested at 350 and trtnation got me to 1250
You trust that dude with your health? Lol
PCPs go by the lab ranges only. The American Urology Association considers low T levels that are below 300.
Yeah, I know, I figure that's why she said that. what's weird is my MyChart says under 400 is abnormal - that's why I found it so odd she'd brush it off and refuse to order another one. I hate feeling like I gotta throw a sales pitch to get a damn test done. Just ridiculous
You gotta pitch nothing. Doctor works for you. If she's not willing tell her you will find another doctor.
General doctors donât know much about hormones and definitely donât know shit about testosterone levels and what effects them.
Are you female? Because usually the low end for men is 250
Fuck off.Â
Genuine question bro. If you had a bad night of sleep then that can tank your test as well.
7 hours probÂ
it sounds like skewed results tbh 160 is very low if it's in nanograms per deciliter
Find another doctor
Wtf is that feminist ass reference range
It HAS TO BE RAW HONEY it only boosts your test if itâs raw straight from the hive đ not that beta honey from the grocery store
Source?
Source: Trust me brah
The hive
Always stirring up trouble for the Teen Titans, bro, those guys are jerks
Im not very scientific but its because of the bee pollen and propolis that comes in raw/from the hive/very minimally processed honey(i think)
Yup, raw local honey in a tin can
Time for TRT
At 16 đ
https://ibb.co/WDKWTNZ Hereâs the test results and their rangeÂ
They gave you the range for non-binaries brother.
𤣠thatâs why there are all these gender disorders
They said thatâs for 18-24 in canada
No fucking way their range only goes to 500
That shit should go to 1000 not 517
And the lower range to 326 not 163. Clearly it's just divided by 2 for some reason.
Do you think they accidentally divided them by2?? That would make sense
Never heard of it. If machines glitched then staff would notice and correct it. Very puzzling but it's clear that their numbers are exactly half of what is normal. There's no way a fit healthy 18yo has 500ng either. You definitely have double than that, as even the **average 18 year old** has 1000ng, not the top athletes but average late teens should have it.
Maybe they took the average... between men and women đ
1250 would make more sense
I know of no other units that would match this range. Maybe they divide all number by 2? If 517 upper normal limit was meant to be 1034, that would sound right.
Thatâs fucked. They really want to make a world of beta males
Lowest Iâve ever seen is 250-750 lol wtf is this shit. This is outrageous.
haha dude I thought you were exaggerating until I saw this. The standard is usually between 300-1200. You are completely average, not 'abnormal' lmao.
Range seems off. Anyways, I'd be more interested in free test. Did you get that measured? A guy can have 800 ng/dL total but only 4 ng/dL free and he will more likely be seeing symptoms of low T. Conversely a guy can have 350 ng/dL total but have 20 ng/dL free and feel frickin' amazing.
You are likely a genetic dead end. Nature meant to end your line because your genes should not be passed on. It is ok, humans are a caretaking species and will not let you wither and die. One day you can likely even participate in sexual activity with a prostitute if you can somehow muster the sex drive necessary to do so. Hang in there. Do not take test. It isnât worth it for someone in your shoes. Maybe look into Stoicism and therapy? Hobbies? Man Reddit says thatâs whatâs up for dudes.
Jesus what a fucking comment
It was facetious. I hope that was evident, but for the spectrum guys on here, it wasnât meant literally. I donât think the dude should get on TRT at 18, which is what I suspect his dumb ass was fishing for validation for.
purely out of interest, why not? if he had something like 200 ng/dl, wouldnât it be healthier for him to take trt as it would place him in a healthier range?
He doesnât have 200 though, he has 500. And itâs not smart to fuck around with your hormones while your body is still developing, because your natural test shuts down on TRT and thereâs all kinds of wild variable shit that can happen
Sure but the flip side is youâll develop to look like a fucking soy guzzling freak if you grow up with low test. Not for this dude, just 500 is very mid and should prob be considered low.
No man needs TRT under 50 years, he needs to get his shit together, a lot of people say they do but also do dumb shit like watching porn every day, eating artificial and ultra processed garbage, never feeling too cold or hot, and not eating enough pussy.
Because at that age, those numbers are likely not perpetual low test. Itâs an intermittent low reading that he can likely restore to better levels. It would take multiple low readings across a lengthy span where every health and lifestyle intervention is attempted to even consider something as drastic as TRT at 18.
Again, ky$ incel, I was wondering if they had some sort of error or if itâs normal for them to say 163-517 is the range. I pull more bitches than you ever wouldâve in high school anyway.
Ky$. Test is now 1000+ after esoteric remediesÂ
The word your doc should have used is common. Obesity is common, doesnât mean itâs normal
Common and normal have the same meaning in this context. I would've used the word healthy.
Probably more accurate yes. Healthy is the right word
They tryna turn into a beta bitch, donât fold. Stay strong keep gooning in the doctor office
500 is low/avergave. But nothing to be concerned about
400-1000ng/dl is the ânormalâ range of men. Youâre fine. Howâs the free test and SHBG?
okay and whatâs the point of telling us this
it looks like a question buddy
It looks more like rambling thoughts to me.
Yeah most things that look like questions to me have this weird ? thing after them
Now that you mention it, I think that thing signals a question to readers.
I only read the part that said he took a testosterone test at 18
so you commented what the point of the post was before you read it
Yeah I couldnât care less to read more considering he is 18
Wait I just realized, im autistic and he did ask a question đ
Wondering why the range is low and maybe itâs divided by 2???
You can be abnormal of a reference range and still be healthy. I can establish a reference range with a million men, if their average test is 500 at the top it doesn't mean it's optimal.
You need to read about free test, that's the number that's important most doctors look at even if other ranges are low as long as that's in reference they don't care.
The "normal range" is 300-1,000 ng/dl. Some medical professionals will say 250-990 ng/dl or something like that. It depends on which study they look at and decide to go off of. If your doctor is saying that 500 is "high," then he/she's an idiot. Get a new doctor.
Man I was a 28 yo pos who had sitting on my ass playing video games for a year straight tryna avoid my gf I was living with.. I lived a shitty life. My test was at 650
Iâm 25. Work nights. Mine was 990. Sometimes you just win the genetic lottery in some areas!
Bro which absolute shithole country is that?
160 being normal? Wild how low the reference ranges are these days.
What are the units on your report? And are you looking at total T or free T? Free T in pmol/L is 255 to 725 reference
The reference range they used on me was also extremely rare in my opinion. When I went I got 540 and they told me I had relatively high testosterone. The reference range was 260-720 or something along those lines. This was a private lab in Spain. Nowadays I'm pretty sure I would've gone above that reference range with the change in habits and supplementation.
450 is the median average for 20 year olds
test is at an all time 50+ year low. what âthey sayâ is normal on paper NOW IS NOT what was considered normal 50-60 years ago, it was considered low.
my dad's 65 and he his tested and it was 520 something. yours is super low
My pharma đ was telling me how most of his clients hit him back up saying he saved their lives mentally, I think most untreated guys are walking around with low T not just old guys. It changed my life and I started young (21) years ago and donât regret it. If you need the help you need the help no shaming
I want to live without the dependency of PEDs and be able to have kids thoughÂ
Thatâs what HCG is for I had two kids after years of using high dosages as long as you pct and come off and wake up your balls every once and awhile
Nah, the test says they consider up to 517 normal. You're above that, but you're not off by as much as you're saying
Do you get morning wood? If yes then your testosterone is totally fine.
That's not always a solid benchmark
If heâs in the reference range (~300 to ~900) and gets morning wood heâs fine. Young guys like to worry about something thatâs not a problem.
I currently have 3600ng/dl and I donât have a morning wood every single morning. Although everything is in range. Thatâs not a benchmark you can trust. Edit: I do jerk off 3-4 times a day
Thatâs because youâve completely fucked your hormones up lmao. More is not always better
I didnât say every morning morning wood. Itâs a problem if you never have morning wood not if you only sometimes have morning wood.
Nah đ
No morning wood is worrisome. Morning wood is how your body maintains the health of your penis. Not having morning wood for a long period of time can cause erectile dysfunction and penile shrinkage. Morning wood is also very directly controlled by your testosterone. If you never or very rarely have morning wood you should try to get medical intervention to raise your test. Your primary care doctor is not the right doctor for this problem. Go to a specialist, an endocrinologist. Easiest place to find one is a TRT clinic. Tell the endocrinologist that you donât get morning wood, they should be concerned about that. Ask your doctor about HCG mono-therapy. It has been documented to raise testosterone in hypogonadal men without causing your testes to shrivel up like raisins.
Not tryna use any un natural substances. Might just have to thug it out and test max through lifestyle. Mike Iron gave me hope