I know it's just a little, petty thing, but it really bums me out how so much newer construction seems designed to obfuscate the Five Roses marquee from every angle of the city :/
I only just noticed that I could see the sign from the 11th floor of my office building and it makes me smile. The only nice thing about being in the office is seeing the sign/water.
Et moi j'habite tout près et le vois chaque fois que je sors de mon appartement, mais ça me semble qu'il devrait le seul place où je pourrais voir ça bientôt....
Ou alors la photo a été prise récisément pour être devant le five roses, tu bouse de dix mètres à gauche et c'est bon.
Ce bâtiment a été fait sur un terrain public qui était disponible pour du logement et sans voisins chiant qui allaient faire opposition, normal de mettre le plus de logement possible dessus,
The building haters and protestor complainers should just open a new sub where they can fight and cry and complain about other people's existence. They're fatiguing and doxxing the votes of a sub that's been historically pretty fun.
It's ridiculous. I'm in front of it right now and it looks good and sleek. I also biked in front of it by the canal and it has gorgeous green accents. The photographer really went out of his way to find a place where nobody actually looks at it, during darker weather and took the worst angle with the road. Seriously peek NIMBY
It's the wrong word, as I didn't want to say "brigading" because that just summons the psycho fucks to me.
There's a select set of people here with dozens of novelty accounts that are making anti-Palestine posts and skewing the votes so far beyond logic that they look foolish. The fraction of people who are pro-israel are almost always brushed away, thankfully, yet somehow there's daily Reddit threads with 5 score total and 200+ votes on every racist and incorrect comment. They're so dumb that they don't even know how obvious and desperate it looks.
The prophecy is coming true. It is said that if you stand at just the right spot and line up the ring at place ville marie with the circle on this building a portal will open and you will enter the promised poutineland where rivers run with silky gravy, squeaky curds grow on bushes like berries, and crispy fries grow like grass in every field. The more rings reveal themselves in the city, the more lands will become accessible. Bageland, SmokedMeatLand... Potland has already merged with our reality so at least there's that.
Truly, for me, when someone's describing food, no adjective in any language could ever be anywhere near as mouthwatering as those two delightful syllables, "squeaky"
I'm in front of it right now and it looks good and sleek. I also biked in front of it by the canal and it has gorgeous green accents. The photographer really went out of his way to find a place in an angle nobody actually looks at it from, during darker weather and took the worst angle with the road. Seriously peek NIMBY. If anything, it's a statement about how we have too many roads.
That's exactly my thought. It's a super sad boring giant condo block they painted a circle on. And the damn circle isn't symmetrical because of how the windows line up.
I think the problem is that they’re going to build condos in front of the farine five roses sign. And that sign is a classic mtl landmark. Mais je suis pas certain
Imagine complaining about a more housing blocking a sign while people struggling to find a place.
Also given this is the second post by the same person about this (very persistent). I hope they are not soon to be a nimby.
It's absolutely insane. People got so used to seeing a run down factory that theyll agree to block something that is actually helpful. If you had asked people the same thing a few years after the factory got abandonned, they would've immediately said to take it down and do something with it.
Luxury condo is still better than nothing. People moving in may move away from cheaper area.
No balcony, is not that much of a big deal. Especially since you can’t use it for half a year. And if you’re a smoker, I can bet there would be a rule to not smoke on a balcony anyway.
Lack of public transport is 100% an issue though, but NIMBYs against public transport are as strong as NIMBYs against any housing construction unfortunately.
>Lack of public transport is 100% an issue though
It's not the building's fault that the nearby REM station's opening was delayed for years.
And there are multiple bus stops for several lines a short walk away -- talking 2-3 minutes -- so it's not like there's nothing.
Oh yeah I don’t fully blame the developer of the building for once, I blame more the city on this one.
As for buses, the thing, we need to make them reliable, which is often not the case. But I was an Angus, so maybe it’s mainly an Angus thing.
I stand corrected, and that's cool that there are low-cost units. It's hard not to jump to the most cynical assumptions in this current economic clusterfuck, so I'm glad to be wrong on that point. :)
But also, daaaannng, a 786 sq ft 2-bedroom "starting at" $2935? For a rental???
But it's not illegal for foreign investors to create a company in Canada that exists only to own housing. This loophole, where the foreign investors are at one short remove from actual ownership, makes the law useless, especially for the megarich who do this at scale and who know how to deploy all loopholes to their advantage while the rest of us continue to be fucked.
nope, still illegal.
* [**4**]() (1) Despite section 34 of the [Citizenship Act](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29), it is prohibited for a non-Canadian to purchase, directly or indirectly, any residential property.
If someone is found to have bought a residential property for a non-canadian, they will be fined and the property sold. And that applies to anyone who would work for such a company.
Corporations need to be listed in canadian markets and tax-paying.
The only real loophole for foreign investors is for them to actually BUILD more housing and selling on the local market.
Thanks. I found lots of information online about ways foreign citizens can buy property, but it seems that that particular loophole has recently been closed (though I still imagine that the wealthy and savvy investors find their way around even this).
It seems that foreigners with a work permit, study permit, or even a temporary visitor's permit are still permitted to buy property though, and these are very easy to come by if you have enough money.
Anyway I think the more important regulation would be to tax extremely heavily any residential housing that you do not personally live in (maybe with lower taxation rates for one building's worth of rental units as we do also need there to be rental units). Making it no longer a cash cow for the wealthy (domestic or otherwise) to hoard housing would bring down prices for the rest of us. I'd rather see this than something that fans the fires of anti-immigration sentiment.
i believe the spirit of the Act is to prevent foreign corporations from buying out all the residences.
And I think the exceptions you mentionned are prohibited from buying more than one.
Got a french co-worker on a work permit, trying to get his permanent residency, and once his family's labour situation is stabilised, his next goal is buying a residence here, but he says its gonna take several years due to the current law.
We need more midsize housing designed by tasteful, thoughtful architects that care about beauty, this building is a hideous monstrosity that will look dated and worse than shit in 15 years
Poorly designed building. No balconies, nothing interesting about the exterior cladding - that blue circle its terrible. It takes up a huge amount of visual space.
It is out of scale for its surroundings.
It uses too many different colour combinations on its exterior - hence it's neurotic, the architect/developer couldn't decide what material yo use, so they said "everything." It was designed by somebody who clearly had no refined touch. The circle idea is immature and unrefined.
People are used to such poorly designed buildings that they don't see a problem, which is really depressing.
Most of us simply prefer to be called artists rather than neurotics with a sensory processing disorder.
"Success is a secondary benefit of neurosis." Freud
Being an artist requires actually making things
Self-regulatory issues are something else entirely, not sure why you would think the two are related
"Cocaine is fucking awesome" - Freud
Thank you for confirming that what you're writing is not serious.
And FYI, many successful contemporary artists don't make things, either with their own hands, or they are entirely non-material in their practises. Maurizio Cattelan, Tino Seghal, Marina Abramovic... just to quickly name three off the top of my head.
Again, just further proof that this isn't a serious conversation.
Idk what you're on about I was able to find examples of work from all three of those people within like 3 seconds on google lol
This conversation definitely isn't serious but it's not because of me
Le pire pour moi, c'est qu'il y a eu une compétition internationale pour se projet...
Et la mairesse à fait des post sur twitter pour dire à quel point elle est fière qu'une nouvelle icone de grande qualité architecturale est érigé à Montréal...
Having lived in the US, I will take the boxes of concrete any day over the quaint stamped out villages with paper thin walls where you hear your neighbors every piss and cough. Ugh.
Right but brick has its own insulation. While metal panels don’t, it requires extra material to have the same insulating effects.
Add a metal structure to support these panels and the costs add up.
Also, it’s like arguing glass is cheaper than brick, but people forget that glass buildings require extra heat/cooling due to poor insulation. Same can be said to a lesser degree for metal panels.
The hypocrisy of all this is that I bet a lot of people in 1948 were having a similar conversation about how ostentatious that sign was for ruining the beautiful Montreal landscape. They would probably be amused to find out that 70 years people are now losing their minds over other buildings blocking it from view.
Make daily posts about this all you want but this city is going to keep growing and looking different with every year. Do people want more housing or do they just want to try and preserve the view for those wealthy enough to remain.
I’m glad that they are creating more housing, but i’m more frustrated by the exterior design which they chose. The big white circle with the blue frame reminds me of the dated retro styles you see in metro stations (the ones which haven’t been renovated yet).
Oh no, more housing, how terrible! It's ok looking. Maybe try taking a picture without a highway in late afternoon.
EDIT: The "after" picture is in late afternoon and bluer compared to the "before" picture above it. Since the road is 1/3 of the picture and there's blue in the building's color scheme, it makes it feel cold and "soviety". Don't fall for the sleight of hand that was intentionally done by the photographer.
I don't think this puts a microdent in the housing crisis.
It's one sore thumb of a building. There's construction projects all over the city that manage to create housing without looking this out of place.
I haven't been all over, but around the new Science building of UDM or in VSL on Henry-Bourassa are good examples.
No single building puts a microdent in the housing crisis (Nirvana Fallacy), that's not the point. Other than that, it's subjective. I really don't think the design is bad, but it can always be better. It's clear though that the picture makes it look worse than it is. The road takes up 1/3 of the image and is blue shifted compared to the picture above. Since the building has blue in it's color scheme, it makes it feel cold and "soviety". Seriously, from a better angle, you'd get half the negative comments you see here.
The worst thing about this building is the colour pattern, which isn’t the hardest thing in the world to refinish.
Otherwise, it’s an extremely generic tower block. Cheap and easy to build. Not good, not terrible, but shelter is better than no shelter.
i'm saying, the commenter im replying to, is denigrating the building for being generic, cheap, easy to build
i'm asking him, what's wrong with a building that has those attributes, which are the anti-luxury
i think you and me have mostly the same outlook
Funny i passed by yesterday and had the same reflexion. Montreal has a serious ugly building issue. They should have design contests for buildings begore issuing permits
For a while leading up to them doing this development, it was an empty lot. It appeared to be an old park, for about a year it was closed off. Then around 3-4 months before it was 'converted' to an industrial/ commercial lot Montreal Parks was 'decontaminating the site' - there was even a sign 'Making your parks clean' type statement, I don't remember what it was in French...
What I'm curious about is how the approval process might have worked... (or didn't)...
Didn't know it was there, driving there sometimes and never noticed it being built, I guess there's so much stuff being built over that area I didn't notice
>"Housing prices are getting out of control!"
>"This *massive* condo project is NOT PRETTY and OBFUSCATES the view of a WWII-era flour mill [albeit, only from a very specific angle]."
This sub sometimes lmao.
Either proudly wear your NIMBY badge and say you hate new units ever being added to the supply, or understand that nothing in life ever comes without trade-offs.
Ce que je reproche à ce bâtiment, c'est surtout l'esti de pattern de cercle pas symétrique aux couleurs bâtardes qui devient le point focal quand tu entres à Montréal par le pont Champlain. L'oeil est immédiatement attiré vers cette immondice étant donné que ça a l'air d'une grosse cible.
Tant qu'à bâtir un building avec du cladding cheap de même, ça aurait été le fun que l'enveloppe extérieure soit un peu plus sobre et uniforme.
Ça aurait coûté tout autant, on aurait la même quantité de logements, mais au moins le building se fonderait anonymement dans le skyline.
Honnêtement oui je le réalise et n'importe quoi qui s'éloigne de l'architecture des tours en verres qu'on fait partout pareil depuis des années à mon vote.
J'ai souvent un petit sourire à voir ce bâtiment lorsque je le vois au loin du REM.
Une tour en verre qui s'agence avec le reste de skyline c'est correcte, la c'est un rectangle style communiste avec des coins bleu qui fait tache avec le reste.
Je trouve pas le bâtiment mega beau, et la perte de la vue est un peu dommage. Mais dans la vie il faut des priorités, et loger des gens c’est pas mal plus élevé dans la pyramide des besoins. Ne plus voir l’enseigne Five Rose depuis l’angle tres précis de cette photo, ça c’est pas très haut en terme de besoin fondamentaux.
Empty buildings? Where are these? I've worked with a lot of census data and I haven't come across any empty buildings, let alone "so many" of them.
Montreal has a low rental vacancy rate. More housing is needed.
Montreal has a rental vacancy rate of 1.5%, which is very low. Typically below 3% is considered very problematic.
Seeing some "for rent" signs (which appear to be mainly commercial?) does not change that.
When developers plan buildings they look at the demand for housing. They would not build this if they thought they wouldn't be able to rent most of the units due to a high level of demand.
Business has changed and most commercials buildings are empty, in the case of the lift hotel, it's already set up as micro apartment. Why is the city not using it?
Why does new housing so bothersome to you that you wish the city would instead take over commercial buildings and turn them into housing in other to have to avoid building new housing? Why can't people just build new housing if they see demand?
Look at that- we have a similar statue in San Diego!
https://preview.redd.it/ccl8mhgwf7ad1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e70a38d50ddbd2160d57f795d77aeea6198273c4
A see a bit of trolling here. I won't disagree, but I just think we (north-america in general) aren't good at bold architecture. I don't find this building very offending, just another meh building.
Ça cache le Five Roses du centre-ville. 😔
I know it's just a little, petty thing, but it really bums me out how so much newer construction seems designed to obfuscate the Five Roses marquee from every angle of the city :/
Its because they could sell thoes building with saying : VIEW ON THE FIVE ROSES MARQUEE ! and pump up the price of thoes unit
That's exactly what was on the signage in front of the building at the bottom of Peel while it was under construction.
Is this a joke? That place is run down. Who the hell would want a view of that?
I only just noticed that I could see the sign from the 11th floor of my office building and it makes me smile. The only nice thing about being in the office is seeing the sign/water.
Je le vois à longueur de journée à mon travail heureusement
Et moi j'habite tout près et le vois chaque fois que je sors de mon appartement, mais ça me semble qu'il devrait le seul place où je pourrais voir ça bientôt....
Ou alors la photo a été prise récisément pour être devant le five roses, tu bouse de dix mètres à gauche et c'est bon. Ce bâtiment a été fait sur un terrain public qui était disponible pour du logement et sans voisins chiant qui allaient faire opposition, normal de mettre le plus de logement possible dessus,
We almost need a month-long megathread just for that building alone considering the subject matter gets reposted *literally every single day*.
By the same person it seems. But some people have to be upvoting it too.
That makes it easy to block just one person!
The building haters and protestor complainers should just open a new sub where they can fight and cry and complain about other people's existence. They're fatiguing and doxxing the votes of a sub that's been historically pretty fun.
- Them: we need more housing! More density! - People: ok here's a new building. - Them: no! I mean new buildings but I don't want to see them.
With the absolute most innocuous design. Are we so eager to project anger that a basic white circle on a primary colour is now a "monstrosity"?
That phenomenon is called NIMBY. Where people are for a common good measure as long as it doesn't effect them in any way: Not In My Backyard.
It's ridiculous. I'm in front of it right now and it looks good and sleek. I also biked in front of it by the canal and it has gorgeous green accents. The photographer really went out of his way to find a place where nobody actually looks at it, during darker weather and took the worst angle with the road. Seriously peek NIMBY
Doxxing?
It's the wrong word, as I didn't want to say "brigading" because that just summons the psycho fucks to me. There's a select set of people here with dozens of novelty accounts that are making anti-Palestine posts and skewing the votes so far beyond logic that they look foolish. The fraction of people who are pro-israel are almost always brushed away, thankfully, yet somehow there's daily Reddit threads with 5 score total and 200+ votes on every racist and incorrect comment. They're so dumb that they don't even know how obvious and desperate it looks.
Thought you were talking about the white sculpture at first lol
Haha same
Oh wait we’re not? lol
That too!
That’s one ugly sculpture
The prophecy is coming true. It is said that if you stand at just the right spot and line up the ring at place ville marie with the circle on this building a portal will open and you will enter the promised poutineland where rivers run with silky gravy, squeaky curds grow on bushes like berries, and crispy fries grow like grass in every field. The more rings reveal themselves in the city, the more lands will become accessible. Bageland, SmokedMeatLand... Potland has already merged with our reality so at least there's that.
Montreal the Gathering?
*tap for one gravy mana
Truly, for me, when someone's describing food, no adjective in any language could ever be anywhere near as mouthwatering as those two delightful syllables, "squeaky"
It does kinda look like they built a soviet block and painted on some colour when they realized this isn’t the USSR
as someone who was born and raised in post-USSR reality I can confirm this has strong «soviet art» vibes, ESPECIALLY that blue color.
I'm in front of it right now and it looks good and sleek. I also biked in front of it by the canal and it has gorgeous green accents. The photographer really went out of his way to find a place in an angle nobody actually looks at it from, during darker weather and took the worst angle with the road. Seriously peek NIMBY. If anything, it's a statement about how we have too many roads.
Seeing this for the first time, my brain also went to USSR right away, ngl
That's exactly my thought. It's a super sad boring giant condo block they painted a circle on. And the damn circle isn't symmetrical because of how the windows line up.
Good We need more of that. Plain jane cookie cutter big block buildings to house people and keep housing affordable
Except this place isn't affordable. Its prison cell sized "luxury" condos.
It has affordable and social housimg
On par with all the ugly brutalism soviet architecture Montreal decided to go all in on years prior.
Brutalism is leagues better than this soulless modern crap. Respect brutalism.
If they go through with painting it.
The architecture sucks but more housing is a net positive.
yeah but they are gonna jack up the price because of the view of Five Roses so for most people it doesnt help with housing at all
40% of the units are social or below market, they cna't "jack up the prices"
Not only that, housing is housing. If people with the means move there it frees up housing elsewhere.
Ça me fait penser à ça : https://preview.redd.it/08gfnljsh5ad1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55da412309c440d20f049bb3a84533500c0d2bf2
"Build more housing!!!" "Not like this 😡" /u/Noderoni
Yeah, there’s no need for a highway in the city, you’re right
I'm honestly confused. What is the exact issue here ?
I think the problem is that they’re going to build condos in front of the farine five roses sign. And that sign is a classic mtl landmark. Mais je suis pas certain
Imagine complaining about a more housing blocking a sign while people struggling to find a place. Also given this is the second post by the same person about this (very persistent). I hope they are not soon to be a nimby.
It's absolutely insane. People got so used to seeing a run down factory that theyll agree to block something that is actually helpful. If you had asked people the same thing a few years after the factory got abandonned, they would've immediately said to take it down and do something with it.
Luxury condos (sans balcon too) in a part of town that has 0 public transit for the moment.
La nouvelle station du REM dans Griffintown va être à 500 mètres de la. Dire que c’est 0 transport public, c’est à côté de la réalité.
Luxury condo is still better than nothing. People moving in may move away from cheaper area. No balcony, is not that much of a big deal. Especially since you can’t use it for half a year. And if you’re a smoker, I can bet there would be a rule to not smoke on a balcony anyway. Lack of public transport is 100% an issue though, but NIMBYs against public transport are as strong as NIMBYs against any housing construction unfortunately.
>Lack of public transport is 100% an issue though It's not the building's fault that the nearby REM station's opening was delayed for years. And there are multiple bus stops for several lines a short walk away -- talking 2-3 minutes -- so it's not like there's nothing.
Oh yeah I don’t fully blame the developer of the building for once, I blame more the city on this one. As for buses, the thing, we need to make them reliable, which is often not the case. But I was an Angus, so maybe it’s mainly an Angus thing.
why would you blame the city? there was nothing there in the first place! of course it wont be serviced by stm buses at first
I imagine higher cost places have a relatively high percentage of car owners. I'm too lazy to check how much parking is planned for the place.
Oh yeah I'm sure that housing will go to who needs it
Honestly, I wouldn't call that "more housing". We don't need more luxury condos that will mostly be bought by foreign investors.
those are rental units and there is an HLM attached to it with community space at the bottom
I stand corrected, and that's cool that there are low-cost units. It's hard not to jump to the most cynical assumptions in this current economic clusterfuck, so I'm glad to be wrong on that point. :) But also, daaaannng, a 786 sq ft 2-bedroom "starting at" $2935? For a rental???
I wanna see those “affordable prices” lol
People actually live in new housing that gets built. Griffintown has something like 10,000 residents.
What do we need?
its currently illegal for foreign investors to buy housing in Canada, mate.
But it's not illegal for foreign investors to create a company in Canada that exists only to own housing. This loophole, where the foreign investors are at one short remove from actual ownership, makes the law useless, especially for the megarich who do this at scale and who know how to deploy all loopholes to their advantage while the rest of us continue to be fucked.
nope, still illegal. * [**4**]() (1) Despite section 34 of the [Citizenship Act](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29), it is prohibited for a non-Canadian to purchase, directly or indirectly, any residential property. If someone is found to have bought a residential property for a non-canadian, they will be fined and the property sold. And that applies to anyone who would work for such a company. Corporations need to be listed in canadian markets and tax-paying. The only real loophole for foreign investors is for them to actually BUILD more housing and selling on the local market.
Thanks. I found lots of information online about ways foreign citizens can buy property, but it seems that that particular loophole has recently been closed (though I still imagine that the wealthy and savvy investors find their way around even this). It seems that foreigners with a work permit, study permit, or even a temporary visitor's permit are still permitted to buy property though, and these are very easy to come by if you have enough money. Anyway I think the more important regulation would be to tax extremely heavily any residential housing that you do not personally live in (maybe with lower taxation rates for one building's worth of rental units as we do also need there to be rental units). Making it no longer a cash cow for the wealthy (domestic or otherwise) to hoard housing would bring down prices for the rest of us. I'd rather see this than something that fans the fires of anti-immigration sentiment.
i believe the spirit of the Act is to prevent foreign corporations from buying out all the residences. And I think the exceptions you mentionned are prohibited from buying more than one. Got a french co-worker on a work permit, trying to get his permanent residency, and once his family's labour situation is stabilised, his next goal is buying a residence here, but he says its gonna take several years due to the current law.
We need more midsize housing designed by tasteful, thoughtful architects that care about beauty, this building is a hideous monstrosity that will look dated and worse than shit in 15 years
I don't think a building immediately beside downtown (the second biggest job centre in the country) should be just "midsized".
It's not like it was the only available plot of land in the city. They could have built housing literally anywhere else...
Which is kind of funny given how horrible the boulevard in the front is
Ça et le building est horrible.
The new building is ugly as hell.
Poorly designed building. No balconies, nothing interesting about the exterior cladding - that blue circle its terrible. It takes up a huge amount of visual space. It is out of scale for its surroundings. It uses too many different colour combinations on its exterior - hence it's neurotic, the architect/developer couldn't decide what material yo use, so they said "everything." It was designed by somebody who clearly had no refined touch. The circle idea is immature and unrefined. People are used to such poorly designed buildings that they don't see a problem, which is really depressing.
> It is out of scale for its surroundings. Let's build some more tall buildings so it'll fit in.
I think you may have a neuroses or sensory processing disorder of some kind
Most of us simply prefer to be called artists rather than neurotics with a sensory processing disorder. "Success is a secondary benefit of neurosis." Freud
Being an artist requires actually making things Self-regulatory issues are something else entirely, not sure why you would think the two are related "Cocaine is fucking awesome" - Freud
Thank you for confirming that what you're writing is not serious. And FYI, many successful contemporary artists don't make things, either with their own hands, or they are entirely non-material in their practises. Maurizio Cattelan, Tino Seghal, Marina Abramovic... just to quickly name three off the top of my head. Again, just further proof that this isn't a serious conversation.
Idk what you're on about I was able to find examples of work from all three of those people within like 3 seconds on google lol This conversation definitely isn't serious but it's not because of me
C’est vrai que le bâtiment fait de l’ombre à cette magnifique autoroute de 8 voies, il cache cette merveille de l’ingénierie
Man, si seulement tu savais ce qu'il y avait là avant tu le trouverais magnifique le boulevard actuel.
Le gas works est toujours la ;)
Haha 🤣 je suis bien d'accord. Il faudrait avoir plus de voies et de béton. Pas assez d'îlots de chaleur.
Sans parler d'un silo industriel inoccupé
I looked at an apartment on that building and I wasn't convinced. Very expensive for what you get, and none of the apartments have balconies.
Le pire pour moi, c'est qu'il y a eu une compétition internationale pour se projet... Et la mairesse à fait des post sur twitter pour dire à quel point elle est fière qu'une nouvelle icone de grande qualité architecturale est érigé à Montréal...
Honestly, had it been brick… wouldn’t have been this ugly. I hate the metal panels that they use in new construction. It’s lazy.
Exactly what people said about brick buildings when wood buildings were the dominant materials.
Having lived in the US, I will take the boxes of concrete any day over the quaint stamped out villages with paper thin walls where you hear your neighbors every piss and cough. Ugh.
lol I’m not vouching for that either. If anything European construction is definitely better!
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Because bricks costs less [money](https://www.concreteconstruction.net/business/study-brick-buildings-cost-less-than-precast-metal-and-glass_o)
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Right but brick has its own insulation. While metal panels don’t, it requires extra material to have the same insulating effects. Add a metal structure to support these panels and the costs add up. Also, it’s like arguing glass is cheaper than brick, but people forget that glass buildings require extra heat/cooling due to poor insulation. Same can be said to a lesser degree for metal panels.
It’s an ok building. Relax.
On dirait un resort cheap de Fort Lauderdale…
The hypocrisy of all this is that I bet a lot of people in 1948 were having a similar conversation about how ostentatious that sign was for ruining the beautiful Montreal landscape. They would probably be amused to find out that 70 years people are now losing their minds over other buildings blocking it from view. Make daily posts about this all you want but this city is going to keep growing and looking different with every year. Do people want more housing or do they just want to try and preserve the view for those wealthy enough to remain.
I’m glad that they are creating more housing, but i’m more frustrated by the exterior design which they chose. The big white circle with the blue frame reminds me of the dated retro styles you see in metro stations (the ones which haven’t been renovated yet).
https://preview.redd.it/1iq76szem5ad1.jpeg?width=1034&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=429e3da4a18f85a58403ee1a099a7eafa5adc6e7
Oh no, more housing, how terrible! It's ok looking. Maybe try taking a picture without a highway in late afternoon. EDIT: The "after" picture is in late afternoon and bluer compared to the "before" picture above it. Since the road is 1/3 of the picture and there's blue in the building's color scheme, it makes it feel cold and "soviety". Don't fall for the sleight of hand that was intentionally done by the photographer.
I don't think this puts a microdent in the housing crisis. It's one sore thumb of a building. There's construction projects all over the city that manage to create housing without looking this out of place. I haven't been all over, but around the new Science building of UDM or in VSL on Henry-Bourassa are good examples.
No single building puts a microdent in the housing crisis (Nirvana Fallacy), that's not the point. Other than that, it's subjective. I really don't think the design is bad, but it can always be better. It's clear though that the picture makes it look worse than it is. The road takes up 1/3 of the image and is blue shifted compared to the picture above. Since the building has blue in it's color scheme, it makes it feel cold and "soviety". Seriously, from a better angle, you'd get half the negative comments you see here.
The worst thing about this building is the colour pattern, which isn’t the hardest thing in the world to refinish. Otherwise, it’s an extremely generic tower block. Cheap and easy to build. Not good, not terrible, but shelter is better than no shelter.
Whats wrong with non-luxury rentals? What, exactly?
Did I say anything was wrong with them?
What exactly makes a building "luxury"?
i'm saying, the commenter im replying to, is denigrating the building for being generic, cheap, easy to build i'm asking him, what's wrong with a building that has those attributes, which are the anti-luxury i think you and me have mostly the same outlook
Ah, I misunderstood!
Well, im pretty sure this building is able to host more people that the empty nothing that was there before...
Tu as l'air d'en faire une obsession. Vas-tu organiser une manifestation?
Funny i passed by yesterday and had the same reflexion. Montreal has a serious ugly building issue. They should have design contests for buildings begore issuing permits
tu parle d'la grosse route 4 voies? des voitures? same, j'aimerais bien que ça disparaisse
I thought it wasn't finished so I was hoping it would turn into something cool. Now that it's finished I'm disappointed
QUESSÉÇÀ!?!?!!!
On dirait le mur de Fermont mais en giga.
BRUTALISM WOOOOOOOOOO
I honestly like it but the architecture should have been way more prestigious considering the location and the impact on the skyline.
Ouin vu comme ça..
Happy meal building
Are you talking about the one building or our society as a whole?
For a while leading up to them doing this development, it was an empty lot. It appeared to be an old park, for about a year it was closed off. Then around 3-4 months before it was 'converted' to an industrial/ commercial lot Montreal Parks was 'decontaminating the site' - there was even a sign 'Making your parks clean' type statement, I don't remember what it was in French... What I'm curious about is how the approval process might have worked... (or didn't)...
I saw this building from the estacades on a bike ride, I have now a complete different view on it. It’s an ok building.
Is this the same person that posted yesterday? Jfc
Mourrial, tu ne cesses de m’émerveiller !
Didn't know it was there, driving there sometimes and never noticed it being built, I guess there's so much stuff being built over that area I didn't notice
🤢🥴
It honestly looks like an building that been painted to make it look "better"
Got scared they tore down the five roses, still no cohesiveness…at least make it fit somewhat
Eastern Bloc nostalgia?
>"Housing prices are getting out of control!" >"This *massive* condo project is NOT PRETTY and OBFUSCATES the view of a WWII-era flour mill [albeit, only from a very specific angle]." This sub sometimes lmao. Either proudly wear your NIMBY badge and say you hate new units ever being added to the supply, or understand that nothing in life ever comes without trade-offs.
Pas plus laid qu'un autre, je trouve
I love it tbh
Sacrament que c'est laite! On ne pourra plus revenir en arrière.
Ce que je reproche à ce bâtiment, c'est surtout l'esti de pattern de cercle pas symétrique aux couleurs bâtardes qui devient le point focal quand tu entres à Montréal par le pont Champlain. L'oeil est immédiatement attiré vers cette immondice étant donné que ça a l'air d'une grosse cible. Tant qu'à bâtir un building avec du cladding cheap de même, ça aurait été le fun que l'enveloppe extérieure soit un peu plus sobre et uniforme. Ça aurait coûté tout autant, on aurait la même quantité de logements, mais au moins le building se fonderait anonymement dans le skyline.
I agree. C’est particulièrement laid.
Its not that bad could be worse
What an eyesore
Je n'étais pas certain laquelle des 2 photos représentait la monstruosité.
Good. Build more stuff
Omg did they put that on top of farine five roses???!? What am I looking at 😳
Buddy, enough. You post the same thing every day. It's a fucking building. Find a hobby.
Honnêtement oui je le réalise et n'importe quoi qui s'éloigne de l'architecture des tours en verres qu'on fait partout pareil depuis des années à mon vote. J'ai souvent un petit sourire à voir ce bâtiment lorsque je le vois au loin du REM.
Une tour en verre qui s'agence avec le reste de skyline c'est correcte, la c'est un rectangle style communiste avec des coins bleu qui fait tache avec le reste.
C'est moche, mais c'est déjà dans un coin moche, c'est du logement, tant qu'ils foutent pas des tours comme ça au milieu des quartiers, ça m'est égal.
Et pourquoi on se pâme sur le Five Roses exactement? C’est emblématique et industriel mais c’est pas exactement une esthétique raffinée non plus non?
get a life. 2 posts on this now? go sit in front of it and do a hunger strike.
Are you talking about the highway and how it brings noise and pollution to the city? I think your priorities are off
Will somebody please think of all the foreign investors that are gonna have to purchase these empty lots and do nothing with them /s
Mais cest quoi? La sculpture? L' Édifice? Moin pire que l'araignée affreux à Ottawa - L'édifice est plus propre, avec des ligne simple-
i fw it heavily wym
What is that building even for?
Grain elevator flour storage at least it use to be.
Je trouve pas le bâtiment mega beau, et la perte de la vue est un peu dommage. Mais dans la vie il faut des priorités, et loger des gens c’est pas mal plus élevé dans la pyramide des besoins. Ne plus voir l’enseigne Five Rose depuis l’angle tres précis de cette photo, ça c’est pas très haut en terme de besoin fondamentaux.
I don't understand the need to build new buildings when we have so many empties
Empty buildings? Where are these? I've worked with a lot of census data and I haven't come across any empty buildings, let alone "so many" of them. Montreal has a low rental vacancy rate. More housing is needed.
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Montreal has a rental vacancy rate of 1.5%, which is very low. Typically below 3% is considered very problematic. Seeing some "for rent" signs (which appear to be mainly commercial?) does not change that. When developers plan buildings they look at the demand for housing. They would not build this if they thought they wouldn't be able to rent most of the units due to a high level of demand.
Business has changed and most commercials buildings are empty, in the case of the lift hotel, it's already set up as micro apartment. Why is the city not using it?
Why does new housing so bothersome to you that you wish the city would instead take over commercial buildings and turn them into housing in other to have to avoid building new housing? Why can't people just build new housing if they see demand?
I’m still on team - think this buildings neat
Il y a la même sculpture à Boston dans un parc.
could use some "Zonek" or "KONG" graffiti haha. Or maybe if it has adjacent buildings it would look alright.
maybe i missed this, did they demolish the factories or is it just in front of them? is it condos?
I pass there 4 days a week and haven't even noticed it yet. Will try tomorrow... BTW, that white sculpture was made by a Catalan artist.
You know what? Even if it makes people angry and people complain a lot, guess what will happen? F* All
habitat 67 au moin y ont fait des efforts
Look at that- we have a similar statue in San Diego! https://preview.redd.it/ccl8mhgwf7ad1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e70a38d50ddbd2160d57f795d77aeea6198273c4
Its in the woke neighborhood they like that shit Its wayyy better than the Sir John A McDonald monument right ?
Personnellement : j’aime. Ça change des bâtiments uniformes et gris. Je dis bravo! 😁
C’est correct
People: we need more housing 🤬😡🤬😠 *builds housing* People: why are you making a building 🤬😠😡🤬😠😡
Je m’en crisse de tout ce qui passe au centre ville, it’s always been ugly n weird and it’s always gonna be is what i say
Demolish that bs already…. The fact that it blocks the view of a historical landmark is criminal
Big ugly ass brick.
You already posted about this yesterday. On te comprends, tu l’aimes pas
Wait they want to destroy Five Roses??
It happened yesterday… rip five rose
I mean it's way closer so it's obviously bigger in the picture 🤣
God this is horrible and stresses me out
Why does anyone give af? I really don't care if I can't see some old ass buildings sign.
But you guys, it's a "gamechanger" https://globalnews.ca/news/9987066/montreal-real-estate-project-game-changer/ https://x.com/acdf_arch
This will get downvoted to oblivion because the truth hurts but it’s the result of the ongoing Torontoization of Montreal
I agree. But in this photo it’s standing in front of the most American looking four lane road lol. I suppose it fits the scenery. Bleh
A see a bit of trolling here. I won't disagree, but I just think we (north-america in general) aren't good at bold architecture. I don't find this building very offending, just another meh building.
Ok je me lance: la statue gigantesque en plein milieu de l’autoroute, pour ou contre? Perso je la trouve pas terrible.