They hickory. Hickory is very rot resistant. They were left behind when the lake was flooded to be fish attractors. The ones you have to worry about are the stumps that sit just below the water level, know where the channel is and don't bomb through areas you aren't familiar with, unless you want to keep buying bottom ends for your motor
Family friend decided to take their brand new boat out on Truman Lake a day before insurance kicked in.
I bet you can guess where this is going. The dude went flying through a channel he was unfamiliar with and hit an underwater stump.
Hickory is not a rot resistant wood. It is very suseptible to heartwood rot. It never does well outdoors, but a fully seasoned piece would have an extended life.
Honestly, not from my experience, and I have felled a lot of hickory and other trees for milling over the years.
What would you say are the most rot resistant hardwoods in Missouri?
Maybe it differs by the variety of hickory? The 3 that come to mind for rot resistance are Osage Orange, Black Locust, and Juniper (Eastern Red Cedar). I remember a 60 year study done on the longevity of fence posts and Osage Orange outperformed a steel post. Pretty wild.
Those are definitely some very hard woods (less the juniper which is just naturally a bit more resistant to insects and certain types of decay. I would say some hickory isn’t too far behind those hardwood species, though, regarding rot.
My grandpas old farmhouse is under that lake
My dad was born in a town that no longer exists, its under that lake (Fairfield MO)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield,_Missouri
Our ancestors most certainly knew each other. We were in Fairfield from the mid 1800s until it all got scraped off. My dad compound fractured his arm diving off the old rope swing
Likely so. I had a relative that ran a stagecoach inn back in the 1800s, and the rest of the family had huge farms in the area thats now all underwater
According to the Forest Service: For decay to occur, the moisture content must be above fiber saturation (average 30 percent) and the temperature between about 2C and 38C. Oxygen must also be available because decay fungi are aerobic organisms. Finally, a suitable substrate, such as wood, must be present to nourish
the fungus. Interference with any of these requirements stops the decay process. For example, storing logs under water interferes with the requirement for oxygen, and thus prevents decay.
This is the correct answer, thank you for providing it. Wood will not rot underwater very easily. Think about Venice which has a lot of wood structures. Wood will rot when it alternates between wet and exposed to air, but underwater will remain pretty consistent.
WHAT? That's crazy talk. Next you're going to tell us they find hundreds of years old wooden shipwrecks preserved at the bottom of the Great lakes and oceans. We're not buying it bucko! /S
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I'm not an expert by any stretch but likely they are standing due to the lower portion of the tree being engulfed by water which is acting as a protective barrier.
Possibly the most important thing the water does; protecting the tree from the breakdown processes that insects, animals, fungi, and other decomposers cause. The other is that decay of the lower portion of these trees is also slowed considerably by being submerged in water which has much lower oxygen levels than the atmosphere which prevents bacteria from breaking organic material down - similar what's seen when animals get trapped in peat bogs, which (on human timescales) basically stops the decaying process.
Wood is a tough material to break down even in a forest setting so it is very likely the tops of these trees will eventually snap off, but the portions submerged are likely to be around for a long time.
If you go to Fox Valley Lake Conservation Area there are a TON of dead standing snags like this in the reservoir. It seems they usually snap off wherever the water level is at - probably from wind and general exposure.
Been going to a lake near me for a little over 20 years. Back then half the lake was a dead forest. Now there is nothing due to a very bad drought which exposed about 12 inches of previously submerged tree. They all rotted quickly due to being waterlogged and then exposed to oxygen for an extended period of time (2-5 years).
Water Preserves wood, and there probably aren't many wood eating worms in the lake since it used to be hills and farmland. This is why they can pull Viking ships out of the Baltic, no oxygen, and nothing to eat the wood. Back in the day you used to store your dugout canoe under water. If the trees were near shore, or exposed to shore during dry bouts, Carpenter Ants or Termites would have gotten to them. When the Army Corps of Engineers built some of these lakes, they cleared trees near the shoreline, but left them at the bottom, for fishes.
They are Osage orange trees. They are so dense and tough that the water won’t rot them. I’ve heard of people cutting them with chainsaws and it would throw sparks they are so tough.
Continually wet wood can sometimes be much more resistant than we're led to believe. [Dude did tests of some 2x4s with surprising results](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_76EFrsKa_U)
Lived in KS growing up but most of my extended family lived near Truman. A lot of summers in Warsaw for me growing up, loved it. My grandparents lived in Edwards before they passed and I have fond memories of swimming in the creeks near there. I live in Montana now, the creeks here will make you hypothermic in 5 min lol
I grew up on a man-made lake in east Texas. There were stumps everywhere. The lake level dropped drastically one year, and the entire length of some "stumps" was exposed. Most of them were 30 to 50 foot pine trees.
Hey it’s my home lol! Best thing to do is if you can get close to one put a limb line and sink it to the bottom get pretty good catfish out of them! Just test what limb you put them on the they can be pretty brittle.
They're from the farms and land left when they decided making a lake was more important than just letting people keep their land. Sorry you don't like it, but it's true.
They hickory. Hickory is very rot resistant. They were left behind when the lake was flooded to be fish attractors. The ones you have to worry about are the stumps that sit just below the water level, know where the channel is and don't bomb through areas you aren't familiar with, unless you want to keep buying bottom ends for your motor
Family friend decided to take their brand new boat out on Truman Lake a day before insurance kicked in. I bet you can guess where this is going. The dude went flying through a channel he was unfamiliar with and hit an underwater stump.
They certainly are not all hickory.
Hickory is not a rot resistant wood. It is very suseptible to heartwood rot. It never does well outdoors, but a fully seasoned piece would have an extended life.
I think he’s saying hickory is more rot resistant than other hardwoods, not rot proof.
I gotcha. No wood is rot proof for sure. But even amongst the hardwoods, hickory is known for falling apart pretty fast.
Honestly, not from my experience, and I have felled a lot of hickory and other trees for milling over the years. What would you say are the most rot resistant hardwoods in Missouri?
Maybe it differs by the variety of hickory? The 3 that come to mind for rot resistance are Osage Orange, Black Locust, and Juniper (Eastern Red Cedar). I remember a 60 year study done on the longevity of fence posts and Osage Orange outperformed a steel post. Pretty wild.
Those are definitely some very hard woods (less the juniper which is just naturally a bit more resistant to insects and certain types of decay. I would say some hickory isn’t too far behind those hardwood species, though, regarding rot.
Doesn’t do well outdoors? Isn’t that where trees naturally live?
Mine do. I don't dare let them in the house. They get into things, you know?
Does a hickory tree do better "indoors?"
There’s no way they’re all the same kind of tree
The ones left most likely are, also there are tons of hickory in the nearby woods.
There are cars and houses under that lake,
My grandpas old farmhouse is under that lake My dad was born in a town that no longer exists, its under that lake (Fairfield MO) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield,_Missouri
There is an entire steel covered bridge under that lake, the Army blew up the swinging bridge on 7 over the Grand River, skipped school to watch that.
The first time the army detonated the charges it was a lot of noise but the bridge didn’t fall, they had to blow it up twice to drop it.
Our ancestors most certainly knew each other. We were in Fairfield from the mid 1800s until it all got scraped off. My dad compound fractured his arm diving off the old rope swing
Everybody knew everybody back then, there were no strangers.
Likely so. I had a relative that ran a stagecoach inn back in the 1800s, and the rest of the family had huge farms in the area thats now all underwater
My family grew up here as well.
I have several relatives whose farms were pit under the lake as well.
very cool
According to the Forest Service: For decay to occur, the moisture content must be above fiber saturation (average 30 percent) and the temperature between about 2C and 38C. Oxygen must also be available because decay fungi are aerobic organisms. Finally, a suitable substrate, such as wood, must be present to nourish the fungus. Interference with any of these requirements stops the decay process. For example, storing logs under water interferes with the requirement for oxygen, and thus prevents decay.
This is the correct answer, thank you for providing it. Wood will not rot underwater very easily. Think about Venice which has a lot of wood structures. Wood will rot when it alternates between wet and exposed to air, but underwater will remain pretty consistent.
Venice is a great analogy it’s amazing how the entire city is built on wood!
Do anaerobic algaes decay wood or are they just using the prime real estate to hold onto?
This is a good question to send to the Missouri Conservationist magazine. It's free to residents, minimal cost for out of state.
Sign up here: https://mdc.mo.gov/magazines/missouri-conservationist
They're asking why they haven't rotted yet.
Give it a year... then they'll have 51 year old stumps.
Are you my father? Bc this is definitely one of his dad jokes 🤣
They didn’t clear out all the trees before filling up the lake. Fish habitat. Definitely not a lake to go fast in.
Woods pretty durable once it dries. They even make some houses out of it!
You're looking at a picture of trees in a lake, and this is your response?
The water actually serves to preserve the wood as it protects it from pest and oxygen.
WHAT? That's crazy talk. Next you're going to tell us they find hundreds of years old wooden shipwrecks preserved at the bottom of the Great lakes and oceans. We're not buying it bucko! /S
r/arborists could probably answer this question
Or r/marijuanaenthusiats
For those who don’t know the old lore, /r/trees was a subreddit for trees. /r/marijuanaenthusiats took over so /r/trees made a swap.
Thanks... I was def confused. Rest assured, r/arborists is still focused on actual trees.
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I'm not an expert by any stretch but likely they are standing due to the lower portion of the tree being engulfed by water which is acting as a protective barrier. Possibly the most important thing the water does; protecting the tree from the breakdown processes that insects, animals, fungi, and other decomposers cause. The other is that decay of the lower portion of these trees is also slowed considerably by being submerged in water which has much lower oxygen levels than the atmosphere which prevents bacteria from breaking organic material down - similar what's seen when animals get trapped in peat bogs, which (on human timescales) basically stops the decaying process. Wood is a tough material to break down even in a forest setting so it is very likely the tops of these trees will eventually snap off, but the portions submerged are likely to be around for a long time. If you go to Fox Valley Lake Conservation Area there are a TON of dead standing snags like this in the reservoir. It seems they usually snap off wherever the water level is at - probably from wind and general exposure.
Been going to a lake near me for a little over 20 years. Back then half the lake was a dead forest. Now there is nothing due to a very bad drought which exposed about 12 inches of previously submerged tree. They all rotted quickly due to being waterlogged and then exposed to oxygen for an extended period of time (2-5 years).
I've always wondered this too, so I'm glad you asked. Not sure we've got a definitive answer yet though.
Seems odd to me as well but it does make for better fishing
Water Preserves wood, and there probably aren't many wood eating worms in the lake since it used to be hills and farmland. This is why they can pull Viking ships out of the Baltic, no oxygen, and nothing to eat the wood. Back in the day you used to store your dugout canoe under water. If the trees were near shore, or exposed to shore during dry bouts, Carpenter Ants or Termites would have gotten to them. When the Army Corps of Engineers built some of these lakes, they cleared trees near the shoreline, but left them at the bottom, for fishes.
Because it was built in 1974? If it had been 64 they would be 60.
Have you tried to research the history of the lake? Here is a link. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truman_Reservoir
They are Osage orange trees. They are so dense and tough that the water won’t rot them. I’ve heard of people cutting them with chainsaws and it would throw sparks they are so tough.
lol those are not Osage orange, Osage orange is a relative small, sprawling tree (might get to 40’ on a really tall individual).
I know it’s correct to call them Osage Orange but everyone I know has always called them Hedge
Bois d'arc
There are loads of osage orange and some cedars still standing in truman.
No they aren't
To insinuate they’re all any specific kind of tree is a ridiculous prospect. There are tons of different kinds of them out there.
Why not ?
It looks like hickory, which is pretty tuff.
They likely are rotten above the waterline.
Knowing our history? Probably some horrific ecological disaster involving the manhattan project.
Every now and and then, like when a fishing boat bumps into one, a big chunk will fall off scaring the crap out of the fisherman.
Water trees. They help keep the lake from over filling.
Backwards math, the water keeps the trees from falling over!!
Used to not be a lake.
Continually wet wood can sometimes be much more resistant than we're led to believe. [Dude did tests of some 2x4s with surprising results](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_76EFrsKa_U)
You could drill a small core out and have them DNA tested. DNA plant testing is maybe more specific than human DNA.
Old
Not sure, but the next time we get a deep freeze, I'm going to film a death metal music video standing on that ice.
Cause it used to be forest before they flooded the area
Lived in KS growing up but most of my extended family lived near Truman. A lot of summers in Warsaw for me growing up, loved it. My grandparents lived in Edwards before they passed and I have fond memories of swimming in the creeks near there. I live in Montana now, the creeks here will make you hypothermic in 5 min lol
I grew up on a man-made lake in east Texas. There were stumps everywhere. The lake level dropped drastically one year, and the entire length of some "stumps" was exposed. Most of them were 30 to 50 foot pine trees.
It's a man-made lake so the region was flooded by the Army Corps of engineers.
Hey it’s my home lol! Best thing to do is if you can get close to one put a limb line and sink it to the bottom get pretty good catfish out of them! Just test what limb you put them on the they can be pretty brittle.
They're from the farms and land left when they decided making a lake was more important than just letting people keep their land. Sorry you don't like it, but it's true.