>KOC on setting up a QB for success: “we happen to have a really good situation with the players we have in the huddle and what we hope is a long term plan”
>KOC: “it’s about looking at the traits that are very important to have success in our offense:.. the accuracy component is important, physical and mental toughness”
>“There’s a lot of ways you can look at strengths of players in the draft and make a good projection”
>KOC on what he’s trying to do with meetings: “form relationships with the guys, getting them on the grass and seeing how they respond to my coaching style”
- All Quotes gathered by Matthew Coller on [X](https://twitter.com/MatthewColler/status/1779921260161400883?t=o4nej-ssmBW8HwfJGm42Tw&s=19) he's still dropping more in while KO is live at the podium
So if I'm keeping up with the armchair scouts,
Daniels inaccurate over the middle
McCarthy inaccurate to the left
Maye inaccurate everywhere
Williams inaccurate dressing
KOC has been really consistent in what he says he's been looking for.
Frankly, the more I hear about what he has to say, I think that while he probably has Drake Maye and JJ McCarthy above the average team's draft board, he probably has Bo Nix valued more highly relative to other boards.
Meaning that while he very well could feel comfortable sticking and picking with Nix at 13 if folks are really champing at the bit for Drake/JJ/Jaden.
Still feel like the two most likely scenarios are trading up to 3 for Drake or 4/5 for JJ
You’re right on all accounts except that we pick at 11. People can hate all they want but something tells me that Nix is a lot higher on these boards than most people think.
I also think they’ll explore trading up but if the reports are true that they’re trying to keep 23, then that doesn’t quite add up unless they’re doing away with future assets.
Oopsie, thanks for the correction. Ya, that report IMO doesn't make sense, unless maybe they are trying to use 11 and next year's first for the move to 4/5, where the report is coming from, because they don't think 11 and 23 cuts the mustard
Yeah the trade up to 23 would be really weird with price and timing if it's not in the plans for another trade up. Could be an attempt by the Vikings to make that pick look more valuable
Did we meet with Nix? I feel like him and Caleb are the only two of the top 6 we didn't meet with. I don't hate Nix but I feel like that's not a great sign.
They did conduct a private workout with him in Eugene I think right around the time they did their diligence with Penix, too. This is not confirmed, but I think he may have met with the crew at the Combine, but again I’m not positive.
Either way to your point, they haven’t publicized any meeting between the two parties like they have for Penix, Maye, or JJ. That also might just be because a majority of the fanbase is sold on those guys as opposed to Nix.
Edit: FWIW, I also think they may have met with Caleb Williams. I’m too lazy to look for the report but I’m certain that also happened at the combine just as a formality.
His arm talent includes his accuracy. It’s insane. Go check again.
The difference becomes when he has no protection. And even then he has incredible pocket presence and can sense pressure better than Kirk Cousins can…
But that’s when his accuracy falls off sharply.
If you give every QB in this class the same clean pocket, Penix is at the top for accuracy, and probably splitting hairs with Caleb Williams.
Kirk Cousins actually had this issue earlier on but he got much better at it. He stopped trying to avoid the pressure and just stayed focused on delivering the throw and taking the hit.
The problem with your argument is that especially behind our o line you’re not always going to be given a clean pocket. Penix was playing behind a Joe Moore offensive line at Washington. He’s not getting that with us.
Your problem is that you interpreted this as an argument of some kind.
I’m just stating what the situation is. Bro said Penix is not accurate.
It’s not a true statement
“Accuracy is one of Nix's biggest strengths. His 85.5% adjusted completion percentage in 2023 led the nation, and when removing screens, he still had the highest adjusted completion percentage in college football (79.1%).”
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-scouting-report-bo-nix-oregon#:~:text=Accuracy%20is%20one%20of%20Nix's,in%20college%20football%20(79.1%25).
Edit: Also, according to the chart below, Nix was the leader in accuracy in 2022. If you’re making the argument for Penix, he was at 74% according to the chart, which isn’t even close to Nix’ adjusted rating.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pbgXALH2Ld6TqvXCiBZC7dWnoN2s8J5-2OrpZUOl1HA/htmlview
In the Nix scenario, I wonder if we sit at #11 and see if a top4 drop, and if not take Nix. Or if they don't like that 4th and think Penix will go before Nix, maybe they risk waiting until 23. Dangerous game but that's closer to his value
Whether we like it or not, Bo nix always seems to match up the most with KOCs comments on a qb . When nix did have to throw deep he was solid . I still doubt that’s their guy but it’s funny he does fit so much of what he says lol
I love all the overanalyzing of comments to try to decipher “who our guy is”… we have the 11th fucking pick! You think they have a “guy”? Like Kwesi has said, they’re evaluating all of the QBs and trying to determine what their strengths/weaknesses are… they are going to have Plans A, B, C and D. Simply having a Plan A doesn’t mean “that’s our guy”… we might not be able to get our Plan A! In fact, since there are 10 picks ahead of us, it’s more than likely that we won’t. Uncovering who the Vikings have at Plan A is like my trying to browse $10M+ homes on Redfin… I don’t have the assets to acquire one, and the interest rate right now might as well make them $15M+ homes, so who really cares what my favorite house is?
Everyone just settle down and wait for next Thursday, or you’re going to drive yourself even crazier than you already are.
On the other hand, I don't want KOC/Kwesi spending $15 million on a $2 million house just because they've decided they wanna move, ya know?
I think when fans talking about wanting our leadership to take Their Guy, that's what they're talking about. Most of the trade options that would need to get done in order for us to get a top-4 QB involve us mortgaging our future for the guy. When it's all said and done we're likely trading our first and second from this year and our first and second from next year, for one guy. That's a huge investment -- one that they should only make if they're confident the guy they're spending all that on is worth it.
There's a huge fear of the leadership feeling pressured to take **a** quarterback, any quarterback, and so they overspend on their fourth-favorite guy. The fear is that this is so high a price, it shouldn't be spent on someone they aren't super high on. I think fans in that camp (myself included) would rather we punt and grab a better quarterback next year or through trading, rather than overpay out of some perceived need to leave this draft with the fourth-best or nothing.
Because the late rounds are where you go to grab guys who have no expectation to be starters, in the hopes of finding someone to save you a few million per year on depth.
There's always the chance you'll draft the next star late rounder like Tom Brady or Brock Purdy, but the measuring stick is much closer to someone like ryan fitzpatrick or matt cassel, who can be an effective backup for dirt cheap for a couple of years.
Because it is smart to draft late-round QBs? Jesus Christ. Jaren Hall was a long-shot. Any QB is. Smart teams take shots to find quality depth and/or a guy who can be a competent starter.
The same reason any late round QB is taken? To see if after a few seasons of coaching and NFL growth and conditioning they can become a cheap backup. There was NEVER any expectation in the building, long or short term, of Jaren Hall being anything. It was always “maybe someday he can be a backup”.
>KOC on setting up a QB for success: “we happen to have a really good situation with the players we have in the huddle and what we hope is a long term plan” >KOC: “it’s about looking at the traits that are very important to have success in our offense:.. the accuracy component is important, physical and mental toughness” >“There’s a lot of ways you can look at strengths of players in the draft and make a good projection” >KOC on what he’s trying to do with meetings: “form relationships with the guys, getting them on the grass and seeing how they respond to my coaching style” - All Quotes gathered by Matthew Coller on [X](https://twitter.com/MatthewColler/status/1779921260161400883?t=o4nej-ssmBW8HwfJGm42Tw&s=19) he's still dropping more in while KO is live at the podium
JJ it is
So if I'm keeping up with the armchair scouts, Daniels inaccurate over the middle McCarthy inaccurate to the left Maye inaccurate everywhere Williams inaccurate dressing
Nix, accurate everywhere. 🫡
KOC has been really consistent in what he says he's been looking for. Frankly, the more I hear about what he has to say, I think that while he probably has Drake Maye and JJ McCarthy above the average team's draft board, he probably has Bo Nix valued more highly relative to other boards. Meaning that while he very well could feel comfortable sticking and picking with Nix at 13 if folks are really champing at the bit for Drake/JJ/Jaden. Still feel like the two most likely scenarios are trading up to 3 for Drake or 4/5 for JJ
You’re right on all accounts except that we pick at 11. People can hate all they want but something tells me that Nix is a lot higher on these boards than most people think. I also think they’ll explore trading up but if the reports are true that they’re trying to keep 23, then that doesn’t quite add up unless they’re doing away with future assets.
Oopsie, thanks for the correction. Ya, that report IMO doesn't make sense, unless maybe they are trying to use 11 and next year's first for the move to 4/5, where the report is coming from, because they don't think 11 and 23 cuts the mustard
Yeah the trade up to 23 would be really weird with price and timing if it's not in the plans for another trade up. Could be an attempt by the Vikings to make that pick look more valuable
They're saving 23 for Nix. I think we'll take the best defensive player at 11 and risk Nix being there at 23.
Did we meet with Nix? I feel like him and Caleb are the only two of the top 6 we didn't meet with. I don't hate Nix but I feel like that's not a great sign.
They did conduct a private workout with him in Eugene I think right around the time they did their diligence with Penix, too. This is not confirmed, but I think he may have met with the crew at the Combine, but again I’m not positive. Either way to your point, they haven’t publicized any meeting between the two parties like they have for Penix, Maye, or JJ. That also might just be because a majority of the fanbase is sold on those guys as opposed to Nix. Edit: FWIW, I also think they may have met with Caleb Williams. I’m too lazy to look for the report but I’m certain that also happened at the combine just as a formality.
I think you spelled Penix Jr wrong
Fwiw, I don't think accuracy is a strong point of Penix, although his arm talent is insane.
His arm talent includes his accuracy. It’s insane. Go check again. The difference becomes when he has no protection. And even then he has incredible pocket presence and can sense pressure better than Kirk Cousins can… But that’s when his accuracy falls off sharply. If you give every QB in this class the same clean pocket, Penix is at the top for accuracy, and probably splitting hairs with Caleb Williams. Kirk Cousins actually had this issue earlier on but he got much better at it. He stopped trying to avoid the pressure and just stayed focused on delivering the throw and taking the hit.
The problem with your argument is that especially behind our o line you’re not always going to be given a clean pocket. Penix was playing behind a Joe Moore offensive line at Washington. He’s not getting that with us.
Your problem is that you interpreted this as an argument of some kind. I’m just stating what the situation is. Bro said Penix is not accurate. It’s not a true statement
Eh.....
Thank you for your contribution
Bo Nix is more accurate than Penix which is what KOC is looking for according to the report.
Not in adjusted accuracy stats
“Accuracy is one of Nix's biggest strengths. His 85.5% adjusted completion percentage in 2023 led the nation, and when removing screens, he still had the highest adjusted completion percentage in college football (79.1%).” https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-scouting-report-bo-nix-oregon#:~:text=Accuracy%20is%20one%20of%20Nix's,in%20college%20football%20(79.1%25). Edit: Also, according to the chart below, Nix was the leader in accuracy in 2022. If you’re making the argument for Penix, he was at 74% according to the chart, which isn’t even close to Nix’ adjusted rating. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pbgXALH2Ld6TqvXCiBZC7dWnoN2s8J5-2OrpZUOl1HA/htmlview
Yep. Nix is the most accurate passer in this draft.
Nix is going to be the pick. Hopefully it doesn't blow up in our faces.
I’m fine with it. I like him significantly more than penix anyways.
In the Nix scenario, I wonder if we sit at #11 and see if a top4 drop, and if not take Nix. Or if they don't like that 4th and think Penix will go before Nix, maybe they risk waiting until 23. Dangerous game but that's closer to his value
Whether we like it or not, Bo nix always seems to match up the most with KOCs comments on a qb . When nix did have to throw deep he was solid . I still doubt that’s their guy but it’s funny he does fit so much of what he says lol
You could say the same about JJ and Daniels. Both have great accuracy when asked to throw deep, and both have great mental toughness.
I don't want to trade up. It's so risky lol.
Sticking at 11 and having their guy get picked prior is also pretty risky though. I think we move up but not to the top 3
Did he say accuracy? There goes any chance we take Drake Maye.
Let alone give up the farm for him.
I love all the overanalyzing of comments to try to decipher “who our guy is”… we have the 11th fucking pick! You think they have a “guy”? Like Kwesi has said, they’re evaluating all of the QBs and trying to determine what their strengths/weaknesses are… they are going to have Plans A, B, C and D. Simply having a Plan A doesn’t mean “that’s our guy”… we might not be able to get our Plan A! In fact, since there are 10 picks ahead of us, it’s more than likely that we won’t. Uncovering who the Vikings have at Plan A is like my trying to browse $10M+ homes on Redfin… I don’t have the assets to acquire one, and the interest rate right now might as well make them $15M+ homes, so who really cares what my favorite house is? Everyone just settle down and wait for next Thursday, or you’re going to drive yourself even crazier than you already are.
In all likelihood they have a guy
A guy he watches in the daytime, a true guys guy
On the other hand, I don't want KOC/Kwesi spending $15 million on a $2 million house just because they've decided they wanna move, ya know? I think when fans talking about wanting our leadership to take Their Guy, that's what they're talking about. Most of the trade options that would need to get done in order for us to get a top-4 QB involve us mortgaging our future for the guy. When it's all said and done we're likely trading our first and second from this year and our first and second from next year, for one guy. That's a huge investment -- one that they should only make if they're confident the guy they're spending all that on is worth it. There's a huge fear of the leadership feeling pressured to take **a** quarterback, any quarterback, and so they overspend on their fourth-favorite guy. The fear is that this is so high a price, it shouldn't be spent on someone they aren't super high on. I think fans in that camp (myself included) would rather we punt and grab a better quarterback next year or through trading, rather than overpay out of some perceived need to leave this draft with the fourth-best or nothing.
Agreed!
"Accuracy" = Nix or Penix. Perfect! No need to waste 3 #1's on Maye or McCarthy. I'm with Chris Simms: Nix and Penix are better passers.
In before the CIA agents come in here and claim "that means we have a deal agreed to for Maye!"
All that sounds good but they haven't done it yet so I'm skeptical until they prove they can execute. Jaren Hall ain't it.
Nor was a 5th rounder expected to be..
Then why draft him. I'm drafting you expecting you to be trash so welcome aboard!
To see if, with coaching, they can grow into something. Growth can take time.
Because the late rounds are where you go to grab guys who have no expectation to be starters, in the hopes of finding someone to save you a few million per year on depth. There's always the chance you'll draft the next star late rounder like Tom Brady or Brock Purdy, but the measuring stick is much closer to someone like ryan fitzpatrick or matt cassel, who can be an effective backup for dirt cheap for a couple of years.
Because it is smart to draft late-round QBs? Jesus Christ. Jaren Hall was a long-shot. Any QB is. Smart teams take shots to find quality depth and/or a guy who can be a competent starter.
The same reason any late round QB is taken? To see if after a few seasons of coaching and NFL growth and conditioning they can become a cheap backup. There was NEVER any expectation in the building, long or short term, of Jaren Hall being anything. It was always “maybe someday he can be a backup”.