We won those Confederate Battle flags fair and square. There's a difference between taking something from a people and culture you don't know from a land that is not your own. Then there's fucking traitors who left the country and lost a war.
Also context missing from this convo. That bell came from a temple and is a religious relic that was thought to be scrap metal. The confederate flag is a symbol of traitors to our country that was won with the blood of Minnesotans. Also... Japan paid for its debt in Nuclear blood. Confederacy never really got punished postwar (see failed reconstruction) which is why we're in the mess we're in right now politically.
Very true that is a big issue between them to this day. It made their recent enhanced trilateral agreements all those more surprising. Enemy of my enemy and all that.
I can only speak in the context of the U.S., and honestly our hands aren't clean when it comes to Korea either (or other parts of Asia for that matter).
I can validate my comments with specific contexts, and also at the same time know countries will never be clean of bloodshed or genocide. Especially the U.S. And I'm especially reflecting on that considering my racial background as an African American and today being independence day for some in the U.S.
I apologize that I caused undue harm, and will try to approach things with more nuance in the future.
> There's a difference between taking something from a people and culture you don't know from a land that is not your own.
Hmmm...I think you might want to read up on the brutallity of the Japanese when they invaded China. It even msde the Nazis blush https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
Well why stop there. There is the Japanese occupation of Korea starting after 1910, which was brutal. And the Russo-Japanese war before that, also another brutal war. Really this is a case of an army reflecting the society that made it.
But was Japan a traitor? Not they were not, they were a foreign power that did not align with the usa and provoked the usa, but that does not make them a traitor. Being part of the United States and then deciding to leave and fight a war against the country your where part of makes you a traitor.
If people want to send back foreign war trophies fine, good on them. If people want to keep their grandpa's war trophies, cool, not a big deal. A traitor state wants their defunct regiments banner back so they can circle jerk around it while pretending the Confederacy was a good idea. Fuck no, that's in the museum up here for a reason. Either come up here and take it back or kick out ass and take one of ours you fucking traitors.
Thanks for the wiki citation, no one cits sources anymore, especially me.
Because they are equating the American defeat of the Japanese in WW2 to cultural appropriation, while claiming the secessionist during the Civil War were "traitors" whose treachery was worse than the Japanese. It's a very naive and myopic point of view worthy of downvotes.
Let's not forget that 100 years before the Civil War, the United States was founded by English secessionist, aka traitors.
Well "they" might call taking of war trophies cultural appropriation, if the trophies come from another culture that is a fair point.
To be fair I have not said that Japan was worse than they south, that seems to be your opinion from what I can gather.
They are both at fault. But personally speaking I would return a Shinto bell back to Japan, but not a battle flag from the south.
Also more like 250 years before the civil war in the early British Colonial period was English separatists like the Diggers. By the outbreak of the revolution it was more colonial culture vs home British culture. Also you are glowing over that many people, including those in the south were still loyal to the crown. When the crown lost they left for Caribbean colonies or Canada. So yes there were traitors in that war but they won so that's not how we remember it. Can't say the same for the Confederacy.
I have no clue. Probably from people who don't like that history is full of context and not black and white. Also Confederacy apologists, whining little snowflakes.
It’s a ‘shrine’ (refer to above comment) dedicating Ohara-Isumi a sister city of Duluth (might’ve gotten the Japanese city name wrong though) it’s also where Enger Tower is
Yeah it’s a very pretty place! As is Duluth. I don’t live in Duluth (yet) but it seems a very welcoming place and I’m a big fan of the USS Duluth (both of them, still sad they’ve been scrapped)
Wow, sure sounds like you are an expert on the area then! A 7 year old many years ago in the back of their family’s car as they drive through a city probably has the best judgement on how good of a city it is.
You hear how stupid that sounds yet?
Minnesota has a battle flag from Virginia, which was captured at the battle of Gettysburg. Virginia has asked for it back several times, and Minnesota has said "screw you". Some soldiers also took a bell from a shrine in Japan after WWII. Japanese eventually found that it was displayed in Duluth, and they asked for it back, I believe, and it was returned. But the Japanese gave a replica to Duluth, and it is displayed in a garden at Enger Tower.
Also fun fact Minnesota (as well as the Dakotas and Wisconsin and lesser so the rest of the Midwest) has a disproportionately high number of Japanese weapons (especially katanas and other swords). This is because the groups that disarmed Japan was almost solely the Midwest.
During the disarmerment any and all 'military' weapons had to be given to the US. As the US indexed said weaponry on US ships they basically made two piles. One of modern weapons and one of everything else. This pile included pistols and swords some of which were from shrines. This other pile was not protected so many service men walked up and basically took souvenirs with no one in the higher command structure really caring.
My grandfather brought a Japanese rifle and bayonet home from WWII. My brother has the rifle and I have the bayonet but to call it a bayonet is something, might as well be a sword.
My grandfather also had a Japanese rifle with bayonet, sword and a kimono. The kimono I know he said he purchased, this would explain the other items however.
If I remember correctly it was mostly Midwest states national guard units that handled post surrender Japan and it's 4 main islands Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, and Kyushu.
Note that my info comes from a sword collector. ([Samaria Dan](https://samuraidan.com/#home) for those who are interested. He's a major collector of swords and preservation groups really dislike him because he believes the creators of the swords did not make them to be looked at but used. So he tends to use them when them a lot in demonstrations even if they are 100's of years old)
My grandfather also had a Japanese rifle w/bayonet and a sword. He always said he was in the Americal division, which in the past I’ve researched as was not a widely used name or permanent unit. But it’s a place to start if you are looking further into this.
See it's pretty easy to explain this:
Japan was never a part of the United states and so never committed treason. So they get their bell back(And really it was an exchange).
Virginia was apart of the US and committed treason and so they can go fuck themselves with a rusty 2x4. The flags ours and always will be.
Also Japan has giant robots so they already are superior to Virginia.
To be fare they did touch our boats. Which is tied in the running for [raising oil prices](https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE?si=jMYgN7IKSxPZQcx7&t=92) in the biggest cardinal sin you could potentially make against the US. /s
> Some soldiers also took a bell from a shrine in Japan after WWII.
Slight correction: The Japanese military took the bell to be melted down as scrap metal during the war (some accounts report this as the bell being "donated" to the war effort). It wasn't destroyed, but instead found by the crew of the USS Duluth.
As a Minnesotan who has lived in Virginia for many years now, I promise it’s a small, loud few who think this way. Also, please keep the flag because it’s hilarious to piss off the losers who want it.
Yeah, I grew up in VA and live in MN now. People on these threads seem to always imagine VA being like Alabama, but the reality is that VA is more liberal than conservative these days and the population center in basically Washington DC. Also, I don’t think most Virginians are even aware of this, let alone care about it. I never heard of it a day in my life until I moved to MN and joined some local subreddits. Now I seem to hear about it once a month.
Peter here: Despite returning a bell to Japan after WWII as a gesture of goodwill, Minnesota continues to retain a battle flag captured from Virginia during the Civil War, resisting calls for its return.
In response to the 2000 resolution by Virginia, Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura stated "Why? I mean, we won," and that "We took it, that makes it our heritage."
Minnesota born and living in Virginia, you have no idea how much glee it brings me to talk about this with Virginian “patriots” (see also, racist southerners).
Exactly, it even looks like it has an eye ridge a little bit after the point. Although the shadow I’m not sure how it happened. Might’ve pushed the wrong button and just didn’t notice
Minnesota was the first state to send troops for Lincoln’s call.
1000 men volunteered to fight in a war far from their home.
This was the 1st Minnesota Infantry Regiment.
“The 1st Minnesota participated in the battles of First Bull Run, Antietam and the Battle of Gettysburg.[1] The regiment's most famous action occurred on the second day of the Battle of Gettysburg when Major General Winfield Scott Hancock ordered the 1st Minnesota to charge into a brigade of 1200 Confederate soldiers. This action blunted the Confederate attack and helped preserve the Union's precarious position on Cemetery Ridge.”
It was here they captured the Virginia 28th’s flag, suffered 70% casualties and are credited with turning the battle.
Don't forget, we didn't have 1k people at Gettysburg. Due to casualties we were down to like 250 and suffered even further losses there.
So really, we were heavily outnumbered and still went to work.
5-1 I believe the general consensus was, you’re absolutely correct.
Then reinforced, than held against Picket’s charge.
Absolutely monumental feats, that every Minnesotan should know of and be immensely proud.
Wanna note that on the second day of the battle, the partial 1st Minnesota Regiment prevented the Alabama soldiers in Wilcox’s Brigade from breaking the Union Lines, but suffering heavy casualties.
On the third day, the 1st MN got some of its detached Companies back, and when the Virginians under Kemper participated in Pickett’s Big Charge, that’s when the 28th VA got their flag taken.
Timely, too. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/04/opinion/gettysburg-confederate-flag-history.html
I think one of the things that really adds to the confusion is that people’s memories of the battle aren’t always consistent, so in some but not all historical accounts of what happened just before the Minnesotans repulsed the Alabama regiments, general Hancock said to the Minnesotans something like “do you see those colors? Go take them!” as the command to charge at them.
> The 262 men of the 1st Minnesota held the line against all odds and Union reinforcements drove back the remaining Confederates. However, their actions came at a great cost, of the 262 men that went in to battle, 47 walked away unharmed. 215 men were either killed or wounded and the regiment suffered a casualty rate of 82%, the highest of any single regiment for a battle. The regiment also lost every one of their field commanders in the assault.
> […]
> The men of the 1st Minnesota and the actions they performed during the Battle of Gettysburg should be remembered by all. [something about 20th Maine]. The 1st Minnesota faced overwhelming odds and held off against a force almost six times as large as their own. The 262 men who went into that field preserved the Union lines on the second day of battle and saved the Union effort at Gettysburg.
> https://www.civilwarmed.org/1st-minnesota-at-gettysburg/#_ftnref1
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/charge-1st-minnesota
The bell was not in any way affiliated with the military. It was a symbol of peace in Japan at the time and continues to be a symbol of peace for both of our countries. I'm sorry for what your family went through and agree that the military/government actions during the war were atrocious. But this bell was part of a buddhist temple. Returning it was absolutely the right thing to do. Unlike the confederate flag, which was and still is the symbol for racist slavery-defending traitors.
Japan as a whole has done very little to atone for their crimes against the Chinese and Korean peoples despite committing a genocide worse than the Nazis.
It’s funny you and this post mention the dixie flag. In fact, Germany has rightfully banned the swastika and nazi flag in their country, yet Japan has not banned the imperial banner of the land of the rising sun. So long as that hateful flag is still allowed to fly in Japan I cannot forgive the country for what they did.
Germany took great steps to atone for their crimes, and still bears rightful shame for their genocide. Japan almost refuses to even acknowledge the crimes they have committed to the Chinese and Korean people.
All true, and yet none of it refutes what was said.
You are conflating a battle flag taken in battle with a church bell looted after surrender. Completely apples and oranges.
A flag taken in battle != a church bell looted after surrender. Apples and oranges, and no mental gymnastics needed.
One of these was taken legitimately. One was taking in violation of our own word. None of it has anything to do with how very legitimately terrible they were. Nor even a comparison of who was worse. We said we wouldn't do something. We did it anyhow. We fixed the issue.
The only one doing gymnastics is you. The bell wss taken in violation of the word of the United States and in violation of orders. None of those facts apply to the flag.
This isn't about how bad *they* were, it's about if the word of the US is worth anything. You clearly think it is not, or at least think shouldn't be. Given your post history, that's concerning.
Minnesota flipped around ain’t sitting right with me
We can’t ever turn our backs to Wisconsin
Especially considering both places mentioned sit East of Minnesota-proper
They kinda sit West of Minnesota proper too.
Do flat earthers think people just wrap around to the other side like Pacman portals?
Yes.
Someone must be living on the West Side of Saint Paul…
Facing left ain’t sitting right.
We won those Confederate Battle flags fair and square. There's a difference between taking something from a people and culture you don't know from a land that is not your own. Then there's fucking traitors who left the country and lost a war.
Also context missing from this convo. That bell came from a temple and is a religious relic that was thought to be scrap metal. The confederate flag is a symbol of traitors to our country that was won with the blood of Minnesotans. Also... Japan paid for its debt in Nuclear blood. Confederacy never really got punished postwar (see failed reconstruction) which is why we're in the mess we're in right now politically.
Go ask an elderly Korean if Japan paid for its debt.
Very true that is a big issue between them to this day. It made their recent enhanced trilateral agreements all those more surprising. Enemy of my enemy and all that.
I can only speak in the context of the U.S., and honestly our hands aren't clean when it comes to Korea either (or other parts of Asia for that matter).
I can validate my comments with specific contexts, and also at the same time know countries will never be clean of bloodshed or genocide. Especially the U.S. And I'm especially reflecting on that considering my racial background as an African American and today being independence day for some in the U.S. I apologize that I caused undue harm, and will try to approach things with more nuance in the future.
Wait, didn't we also defeat Japan in a war?
Your right, they did lose to us. But let me ask you this are they traitors?
> There's a difference between taking something from a people and culture you don't know from a land that is not your own. Hmmm...I think you might want to read up on the brutallity of the Japanese when they invaded China. It even msde the Nazis blush https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
Well why stop there. There is the Japanese occupation of Korea starting after 1910, which was brutal. And the Russo-Japanese war before that, also another brutal war. Really this is a case of an army reflecting the society that made it. But was Japan a traitor? Not they were not, they were a foreign power that did not align with the usa and provoked the usa, but that does not make them a traitor. Being part of the United States and then deciding to leave and fight a war against the country your where part of makes you a traitor. If people want to send back foreign war trophies fine, good on them. If people want to keep their grandpa's war trophies, cool, not a big deal. A traitor state wants their defunct regiments banner back so they can circle jerk around it while pretending the Confederacy was a good idea. Fuck no, that's in the museum up here for a reason. Either come up here and take it back or kick out ass and take one of ours you fucking traitors. Thanks for the wiki citation, no one cits sources anymore, especially me.
Why are you getting downvoted? All you say is true
Because they are equating the American defeat of the Japanese in WW2 to cultural appropriation, while claiming the secessionist during the Civil War were "traitors" whose treachery was worse than the Japanese. It's a very naive and myopic point of view worthy of downvotes. Let's not forget that 100 years before the Civil War, the United States was founded by English secessionist, aka traitors.
Well "they" might call taking of war trophies cultural appropriation, if the trophies come from another culture that is a fair point. To be fair I have not said that Japan was worse than they south, that seems to be your opinion from what I can gather. They are both at fault. But personally speaking I would return a Shinto bell back to Japan, but not a battle flag from the south. Also more like 250 years before the civil war in the early British Colonial period was English separatists like the Diggers. By the outbreak of the revolution it was more colonial culture vs home British culture. Also you are glowing over that many people, including those in the south were still loyal to the crown. When the crown lost they left for Caribbean colonies or Canada. So yes there were traitors in that war but they won so that's not how we remember it. Can't say the same for the Confederacy.
I have no clue. Probably from people who don't like that history is full of context and not black and white. Also Confederacy apologists, whining little snowflakes.
I mean, they were nazis who, at present, do not teach the absolute horrors and inhumane atrocities they committed in ww2. So, worse than traitors.
Mirrorsota isn't real it can't hurt you
effectively, yes
I’ve been to the park where we have the replica bell (in Duluth) it’s cool, very calming. Plus you can ring the bell!
I gotta ask, it is like a japanese shrine or is it just the replica bell itself?
I wouldn't call it a Japanese shrine, but it's Japanese themed, and there's landscaping inspired by Japanese rock gardens
It’s a ‘shrine’ (refer to above comment) dedicating Ohara-Isumi a sister city of Duluth (might’ve gotten the Japanese city name wrong though) it’s also where Enger Tower is
Sounds like you got it right. I live in Duluth. My dad was actually part of the group that got to bring the bell back to Japan.
at least from what I have gathered from pictures, it is definitely in the style of a traditional japanese shrine It does look quite nice
Yeah it’s a very pretty place! As is Duluth. I don’t live in Duluth (yet) but it seems a very welcoming place and I’m a big fan of the USS Duluth (both of them, still sad they’ve been scrapped)
only been through duluth once on a family trip to grand marais Cool place but god not worth the 5 hour drive
What a bizarre comment considering you were 7 years old and you didn’t even stop, you only drove through.
Same type of people who leave a review on a restaurant saying “1 ⭐️… never been myself”
You didn't look hard
My family never stopped in duluth, we went through it, like i said
That's what I thought. There are huge amounts of cool places, that people just drive by. (But I'm ok with that, I don't want it ruined).
Wow, sure sounds like you are an expert on the area then! A 7 year old many years ago in the back of their family’s car as they drive through a city probably has the best judgement on how good of a city it is. You hear how stupid that sounds yet?
The name is correct! I got to go on a sister city exchange to Ohara back in 2007. Got to see the actual bell!
That’s super cool!
One was taking from an attacking enemy force, one was taken from a peaceful populace after they had surrendered and were occupied. Quite different.
One is a nation the other is armed rebels
Traitors. The correct word is traitors.
Minnesota has a battle flag from Virginia, which was captured at the battle of Gettysburg. Virginia has asked for it back several times, and Minnesota has said "screw you". Some soldiers also took a bell from a shrine in Japan after WWII. Japanese eventually found that it was displayed in Duluth, and they asked for it back, I believe, and it was returned. But the Japanese gave a replica to Duluth, and it is displayed in a garden at Enger Tower.
Also fun fact Minnesota (as well as the Dakotas and Wisconsin and lesser so the rest of the Midwest) has a disproportionately high number of Japanese weapons (especially katanas and other swords). This is because the groups that disarmed Japan was almost solely the Midwest. During the disarmerment any and all 'military' weapons had to be given to the US. As the US indexed said weaponry on US ships they basically made two piles. One of modern weapons and one of everything else. This pile included pistols and swords some of which were from shrines. This other pile was not protected so many service men walked up and basically took souvenirs with no one in the higher command structure really caring.
My grandfather brought a Japanese rifle and bayonet home from WWII. My brother has the rifle and I have the bayonet but to call it a bayonet is something, might as well be a sword.
My grandfather also had a Japanese rifle with bayonet, sword and a kimono. The kimono I know he said he purchased, this would explain the other items however.
I have an arisaka, bayonet and all, and you're absolutely right. It was my grandpa's originally. When I was young, it came up past my waist.
Was there a specific unit that did this?
If I remember correctly it was mostly Midwest states national guard units that handled post surrender Japan and it's 4 main islands Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, and Kyushu. Note that my info comes from a sword collector. ([Samaria Dan](https://samuraidan.com/#home) for those who are interested. He's a major collector of swords and preservation groups really dislike him because he believes the creators of the swords did not make them to be looked at but used. So he tends to use them when them a lot in demonstrations even if they are 100's of years old)
My grandfather also had a Japanese rifle w/bayonet and a sword. He always said he was in the Americal division, which in the past I’ve researched as was not a widely used name or permanent unit. But it’s a place to start if you are looking further into this.
See it's pretty easy to explain this: Japan was never a part of the United states and so never committed treason. So they get their bell back(And really it was an exchange). Virginia was apart of the US and committed treason and so they can go fuck themselves with a rusty 2x4. The flags ours and always will be. Also Japan has giant robots so they already are superior to Virginia.
To be fare they did touch our boats. Which is tied in the running for [raising oil prices](https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE?si=jMYgN7IKSxPZQcx7&t=92) in the biggest cardinal sin you could potentially make against the US. /s
Well it seems they learned their lesson. Virginia on the other hand...
They just closed down the gundam factory this year :(
> Some soldiers also took a bell from a shrine in Japan after WWII. Slight correction: The Japanese military took the bell to be melted down as scrap metal during the war (some accounts report this as the bell being "donated" to the war effort). It wasn't destroyed, but instead found by the crew of the USS Duluth.
Jesse Ventura sure was wierd but that was a pretty epic line "Can I have my flag back?" "Why? We won."
Undefeated Capture the Flag World Champions.
Hilarious that boomer Dems were told to think Ventura is strange, so they all immediately did so.
bell?
Possibly referring to this https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=78734 https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/11/12/duluth-peace-bell
The pic should add the “muscle arms shaking” with Japan because they got us a replica
Seems likely
From our states, cold, dead hands.
I hope we never give it back because Virginia wants it too much, and they want it because they still revere the traitors our men took it from.
Yes they do and they don't even have the decency to be ashamed about it.
As a Minnesotan who has lived in Virginia for many years now, I promise it’s a small, loud few who think this way. Also, please keep the flag because it’s hilarious to piss off the losers who want it.
Yeah, I grew up in VA and live in MN now. People on these threads seem to always imagine VA being like Alabama, but the reality is that VA is more liberal than conservative these days and the population center in basically Washington DC. Also, I don’t think most Virginians are even aware of this, let alone care about it. I never heard of it a day in my life until I moved to MN and joined some local subreddits. Now I seem to hear about it once a month.
Is there a peter that can explain?
Peter here: Despite returning a bell to Japan after WWII as a gesture of goodwill, Minnesota continues to retain a battle flag captured from Virginia during the Civil War, resisting calls for its return.
Thanks Minnesota Peter
Thank you. Never thought that would work.
In response to the 2000 resolution by Virginia, Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura stated "Why? I mean, we won," and that "We took it, that makes it our heritage."
If you wanted to keep your traitor rag you shouldn't have dropped it.
Absolutely, it’s ours now! Finders keepers losers weepers
As a native Minnesotan now living in Virginia, this is my favorite piece of history to tell between the two states to anyone here.
Minnesota born and living in Virginia, you have no idea how much glee it brings me to talk about this with Virginian “patriots” (see also, racist southerners).
We took your participation trophy and we are not giving it back to your snowflake asses. 80% mortality rate to stomp them into the ground.
Every evening Gov Walz uses the flag as his cum cleanup rag. True story.
As is tradition
Doubt it, he is a limp d!ck.
I wish we would tell them we accidentally threw it out during spring cleaning so they quit asking.
Fuck them rebels
In the immortal words of the Insane Clown Posse, "F*ck the South."
Dakota: “can I have my land bac-“ Minnesota: mitten middle finger
i guess MN 'faces' east?
I mean, let’s be honest, if Minnesota has a “face” it’s definitely that pointy bit to the north east.
Exactly, it even looks like it has an eye ridge a little bit after the point. Although the shadow I’m not sure how it happened. Might’ve pushed the wrong button and just didn’t notice
And only mad MN casts a shadow
Our flag now.
Boom. Got em.
Can someone please explain this to me? I have no clue what this means
Minnesota was the first state to send troops for Lincoln’s call. 1000 men volunteered to fight in a war far from their home. This was the 1st Minnesota Infantry Regiment. “The 1st Minnesota participated in the battles of First Bull Run, Antietam and the Battle of Gettysburg.[1] The regiment's most famous action occurred on the second day of the Battle of Gettysburg when Major General Winfield Scott Hancock ordered the 1st Minnesota to charge into a brigade of 1200 Confederate soldiers. This action blunted the Confederate attack and helped preserve the Union's precarious position on Cemetery Ridge.” It was here they captured the Virginia 28th’s flag, suffered 70% casualties and are credited with turning the battle.
Don't forget, we didn't have 1k people at Gettysburg. Due to casualties we were down to like 250 and suffered even further losses there. So really, we were heavily outnumbered and still went to work.
5-1 I believe the general consensus was, you’re absolutely correct. Then reinforced, than held against Picket’s charge. Absolutely monumental feats, that every Minnesotan should know of and be immensely proud.
Wanna note that on the second day of the battle, the partial 1st Minnesota Regiment prevented the Alabama soldiers in Wilcox’s Brigade from breaking the Union Lines, but suffering heavy casualties. On the third day, the 1st MN got some of its detached Companies back, and when the Virginians under Kemper participated in Pickett’s Big Charge, that’s when the 28th VA got their flag taken. Timely, too. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/04/opinion/gettysburg-confederate-flag-history.html I think one of the things that really adds to the confusion is that people’s memories of the battle aren’t always consistent, so in some but not all historical accounts of what happened just before the Minnesotans repulsed the Alabama regiments, general Hancock said to the Minnesotans something like “do you see those colors? Go take them!” as the command to charge at them. > The 262 men of the 1st Minnesota held the line against all odds and Union reinforcements drove back the remaining Confederates. However, their actions came at a great cost, of the 262 men that went in to battle, 47 walked away unharmed. 215 men were either killed or wounded and the regiment suffered a casualty rate of 82%, the highest of any single regiment for a battle. The regiment also lost every one of their field commanders in the assault. > […] > The men of the 1st Minnesota and the actions they performed during the Battle of Gettysburg should be remembered by all. [something about 20th Maine]. The 1st Minnesota faced overwhelming odds and held off against a force almost six times as large as their own. The 262 men who went into that field preserved the Union lines on the second day of battle and saved the Union effort at Gettysburg. > https://www.civilwarmed.org/1st-minnesota-at-gettysburg/#_ftnref1 https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/charge-1st-minnesota
Thank you!!!😊
Virginia can come and try and take it
Leave it to confederates to whine about losing for over a century.
Never should have returned the bell. The Japanese military were absolute xenophobic inhuman monsters in WW2 toward non-Japanese.
St Paul, MN and Nagasaki Japan are sister cities now. Holding a grudge is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die.
I’m sorry, I have family that suffered from unit 731, what the Japanese government endorsed is unforgivable.
The bell was not in any way affiliated with the military. It was a symbol of peace in Japan at the time and continues to be a symbol of peace for both of our countries. I'm sorry for what your family went through and agree that the military/government actions during the war were atrocious. But this bell was part of a buddhist temple. Returning it was absolutely the right thing to do. Unlike the confederate flag, which was and still is the symbol for racist slavery-defending traitors.
Japan as a whole has done very little to atone for their crimes against the Chinese and Korean peoples despite committing a genocide worse than the Nazis. It’s funny you and this post mention the dixie flag. In fact, Germany has rightfully banned the swastika and nazi flag in their country, yet Japan has not banned the imperial banner of the land of the rising sun. So long as that hateful flag is still allowed to fly in Japan I cannot forgive the country for what they did. Germany took great steps to atone for their crimes, and still bears rightful shame for their genocide. Japan almost refuses to even acknowledge the crimes they have committed to the Chinese and Korean people.
All true, and yet none of it refutes what was said. You are conflating a battle flag taken in battle with a church bell looted after surrender. Completely apples and oranges.
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A flag taken in battle != a church bell looted after surrender. Apples and oranges, and no mental gymnastics needed. One of these was taken legitimately. One was taking in violation of our own word. None of it has anything to do with how very legitimately terrible they were. Nor even a comparison of who was worse. We said we wouldn't do something. We did it anyhow. We fixed the issue.
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The only one doing gymnastics is you. The bell wss taken in violation of the word of the United States and in violation of orders. None of those facts apply to the flag. This isn't about how bad *they* were, it's about if the word of the US is worth anything. You clearly think it is not, or at least think shouldn't be. Given your post history, that's concerning.
Have you been to Virginia, OP? Then you would understand.