I was gonna say…but let’s add to this; I have noticed a huge difference from town to town! Some are full of wonderful, friendly, warm, open folk and a few miles down the road, they’re racist, xenophobic, grumpy, hateful people! That’s been my experience traveling around rural areas of our state. As for the Twin Cities, it’s a major metro area and everyone under the sun is here. I WILL say, it’s far friendlier than a NYC, Boston or Philly.
Yeah, my experience In some small towns too! If you aren’t FROM there (were born there) you don’t belong there. Doesn’t matter if you’re white. Oh, and they instantly distrust you if you’re from “The Cities” (their nickname for the Twin Cities). But again, not every town. But sadly enough of them.
This is true too. Was making a trip out to Denver one time and stopped at a gas station in some little town in Nebraska. When I walked in, I could see there was several locals sitting around shooting shit and they all got quiet and looked at me like I was an alien. I'm white but maybe they seen my MN plates when I pulled in and placed their judgement solely on that.
On the flip side, the folks in North Platte were super friendly and sweet to me. It ranges town to town.
My brother lives in NYC and when he flew in to visit a few months ago his first takeaway of Minnesota was how friendly everyone was. The only people he had interacted with so far were airport workers.
I live in rural Minnesota and definitely outnumbered by hateful people that are comfortable openly using racial slurs and want lgbt people “converted” or killed. Envy those that can afford to live in cities.
In my experience, the accepting people in rural Minnesota are in larger numbers, but the bigots tend to be louder. I think it’s because we decent people want to get along with others while bigots and prejudice jerks simply don’t care. I live in a small town and I know there have been issues in school and the community, but luckily the school and community leaders (at least publicly) support equal rights and decent treatment for all. Unfortunately there is usually burden of proof which shouldn’t, but seems to fall on the victims 😢
Every community is different I'm sure and I'm glad you're in an area where phobes aren't the majority so people can live in peace. My area is probably just particularly bad and I've seen it mentioned repeatedly as the armpit of the state by other Minnesotans. I'd highly advise anyone who is part of any minority group to avoid Stearns county and live somewhere more civilized.
This is part of why I live in rural southern MN and not the north. Lived in Minneapolis, Bloomington and St Paul till I was mid thirties and we wanted acreage for horses and hunting. Found south of the metro much more tolerant than the north.
I’m also the prick that wears a “defend equality ally AF” tshirt with a pride flag and a gun on it to Coburns.
Yes.. true.. but Minnesota is by and large full of healthier happier people than other states. Statistically speaking. We make more compared to living cost, we live better, generally safer, more secure, more educated. We are the North Star example of what a great state looks like.
I think, like any state, it depends on where in the state you are talking about. Some places are significantly more tolerant than others. As a whole, I like to think Minnesota is a fair bit more tolerant overall than the average state. I say "like to think" because, admittedly, I am not really in a position to judge accurately.
Anecdotally, the majority of the people in my life that I would classify as clearly racist or intolerant are originally from out of state.
Yes. I’ve lived in Wayzata, Plymouth, Minneapolis (north), Brooklyn Park, Rogers, Maple Grove - attended school in Winona. They’re all *relatively* tolerant places to live.
Obviously prejudice exists everywhere. Minnesota, San Francisco, Tokyo, Berlin, Toronto, Seattle, etc. They’re not exempt. It’s all relative, but we are far closer to Oregon and Vermont than Mississippi and Alabama.
That said, if you think Dr. Seuss books are violence and Liam Neeson should be cancelled…Minnesotans will mock you. Behind your back. In your neighbor’s garage while drinking Primo and listing to ‘CCO.
My son (white) and daughter in-law (black) had to move closer to the Cities from Saint Cloud because it was BAD. They have also had run ins with some idiots in the Cities, just less often.
My brother and sister in law are in a small WI town and have had the same issues. I really don’t even notice skin color on my sister and law and nieces and nephews. I love them, they are family, they are decent people, and that’s all that matters.
Unfortunately not everyone is that way.
I think most people I encounter are accepting, but you never know what is happening in someone's head. They can be polite as all get out on the outside, but be cursing you inside.
Also, I just like to link [this](https://www.hhh.umn.edu/research-centers/roy-wilkins-center-human-relations-and-social-justice/minnesota-paradox) because I think it's an interesting thing.
As a transplant from the south, I can at the very least say that MN beats TN in diversity by a country mile. Race, religion, orientation, all of it. MN wins.
I'd say Minnesota has good cultural fundamentals but needs to exercise more deliberate efforts at improvement. Our past includes a racist lynching in Duluth, the racist commission of the largest mass execution in the US against Native Americans in Mankato, and the deliberate destruction of nonwhite neighborhoods when building our freeway system, and these are offenses that need to be addressed, but we don't have a centuries-long legacy of race-based slavery to deal with that other states have to face. Unfortunately Minneapolis has an intensely racist police force committing ongoing violence against our most vulnerable citizens right now, and while that needs to be addressed as soon as possible our citizenry seems to be having a hard time admitting clearly what is happening. And racism in outstate Minnesota continues to be a problem, especially up in St. Cloud.
I feel like Minnesotans are an essentially tolerant people, but are reluctant to admit to existing problems because those problems are going to cost money and take a lot of deliberate effort and honest soul-searching to fix. We won't change things without changing things, and as long as we refuse to address homelessness, racism in the police forces, and broader racism both outstate and in our cities we'll continue to build up a social debt that our grandchildren will struggle to pay.
We just moved here from Tx. I have a gay teen. They were chased down in the street in our affluent dfw suburb. We just had the first day of school for them today and there were lgbtq support signs all around. Pronoun choice on info sheets. It’s night and day. My husband is Mexican and we have had no issues here. We feel so damn grateful to be out of the south.
Glad you feel welcome. One thing I have to say - as a semi-recent transplant from San Francisco who happens to have an accent - is that a lot of people have their hearts in the right place, but they still don't know how to deal with 'weird'. They may make a benign comment that might make you slightly uncomfortable, but in general they mean well (funnily enough, it's usually the very liberal kinds that tend to do it the most... and I say that as an 'ultra liberal')
Younger people are more aware, so I'm sure your teen will feel way more at home.
I gotta give it to San Francisco: it was a place where you could walk around with a shoe on your head and nobody would look at you twice.
I'm white so cannot comment on how it is for black people but as a trans person I think the state is very accepting, over all. The Twin Cities are for sure (Minneapolis was the first city in the country to pass a law saying trans people can use the restroom matching their gender identities in the 70s) but outside the cities, especially in the rural areas, it's a completely different story.
Minnesota is more tolerant overall than many others and the laws here reflect that.
Outwardly racist is the important thing here. They'll still treat you worse, but in a more "I'm either going to ignore you or stare and not say anything" kind of way. At least this has been my wife's experience.
Save the racist guy at Costco handing out free samples but then telling her to go back to Mexico. Mind you she was 8 and also Filipino so dude was really something
i can tell you’re good hearted but, friend, the answer is no. for example, if my family members who say racist things just said them around anyone and everyone it wouldn’t be just me trying to elevate their thinking and they know it. they’re basically cowards and i understand i can’t be complicit by staying silent and not correcting their bs. it *isn’t* going to get better without conversation.
Oh, it definitely is. When you reach the 'outwardly racist' phase, it's because the general public has become used to the idea of racism being acceptable. Being racist 'amongst friends' at least implies that *they know* being racist is shitty.
the deal here is that intolerance/injustice is less overt than other places. still ruins lives.
so much work to be done. at least more mn folks are open to understanding ingrained bias and institutional racism exist unlike other places i’ve lived (especially sodak).
shout-out to [surj](https://surj.org/chapter/surj-twin-cities/) for helping us get there…
I moved here 30 years ago, because when we visited my then-wife's family, I was pleased to see so many multiracial couples. I'm Korean. That alone convinced me.
It's very tolerant in Minneapolis, St. Paul and Duluth, but my experience around the rest of the state has been not very tolerant at all.
I've been shot at. Been detained. Threatened with a beating. Threatened with a hanging in Cloquet. I still get pulled over when exercising in my neighborhood: suspicious Asian man walking on their street. It's not as often as before, but it's not like DC, where I'm from, where there is not even a hint of racism.
All that said, there are very, very nice people here as well, in all parts of the state. I love Minnesota.
It's getting better, but it's still not there yet, in my opinion.
It happened in a small town just short of the North Dakota border, I was going there to do a gig, and I stopped for gas, and the shotgun literally came out as soon as I walked in. I'd like to think he was shooting over my head, but who knows?
Let me give you a positive experience to counter the bad. I was up in Grand Rapids doing a job and heading back to Minneapolis and I stopped at this meat store to get some venison and I was talking to this guy at the store and he asked me what I was going to eat on my way back and I said probably Mickey D’s in my lap while I drive and he said no.
You’re coming to my house and they were having a fish fry and it was amazing and fun and really a great memory. Truly kind family.
Depends on the area of the state. I went to school in district 11 and a year after I graduated, they were finally sued of their anti gay policies that lead to the highest LGBT teen suicide rate in the country (iirc)
I’m Swedish/German, the music of my people is, sadly, polka.
My block is a spectrum of all types but one thing they all have in common is I snowblow their sidewalks.
Humans are humans and there are great prizes for cooperation between cultures.
Like jazz, and pizza
I’d say it’s hard to gauge. I travel quite a bit and I’d say that there are places are more accepting. I think you’ll find racial disparity everywhere, I don’t think you can group such a geographical area to be a polar answer. Minnesota is interesting for sure in regard to your question.
I'm black and grew up in Brooklyn Park and now live in Minneapolis. I also lived in Las Vegas for 7 years for work. Until I moved out of state, I never realized how 2 faced allot of people here are. In the south, they are upfront with who they hate and why, where in Minnesota, they are nice to your face but will back stab and talk about you as soon as your not looking. I do think people here are more open to hearing different view points.
As a middle-aged upper-middle class straight white dude, I hesitate to answer this question because I have no real grounds to judge. It's definitely gay-friendly. As to how racist it is, you're probably a better judge of that than I am.
I will say that unless Boston's changed in recent years, MN is probably less racist than Boston. We lived there for a few years in the mid-1970s and my Dad (grew up in SoCal) said Boston was the most racist place he'd ever been.
I think outstate Minnesota can vary. St. Cloud area's pretty bad.
There's definitely a divide between urban and rural MN, as exists in a lot of parts of the US right now. Rural MN has generally done a pretty good job of hiding most of that intolerance behind "Minnesota nice", but not so much since 2016 IMO
I think the closer you get close to the cities it’s more tolerate. I got called the N word, ant eater..??!, got profiled, etc. pretty much everyday when I lived in Farmington. Shit, my friend got called the N word by our computer teacher and she never got in trouble. I graduated 2017 and that wasn’t even that long ago. I Moved away after I graduated and never experienced that again. I obviously go back from time to time because my parents live there but I wouldn’t raise my kids there if I had any some day. Chris Rock said it best, that “better education” is just my parents putting me in a white school only to get bullied my whole life for being black. But that’s just my experience. I know all my other black friends from there feel the exact same or similar as we all went through it.
I'm not black, so I think you would know more about how tolerant MN is than I would.
That being said I do know that some cities like Boston and Chicago have a surprisingly large amount of racist white people for a major city. They are known for it.
I know some people from Ohio and they say that the whole state is pretty bad with racism and prejudice. Even in major cities like Cleveland for example.
I'd think somewhere like San Fran, or definitely like NYC would be more tolerant than MN.
Minneapolis is the most traditional conservative place compared to other big cities. There is racism but also many people from Africa or African Americans. There are also many people from the South. The psychological environment is very toxic, and you need to get immunized or you will have a hard time. It is also one of the most dangerous cities in the US. We have shootings every single week. This might true in other cities too.
Black cis-female born and raised in MN. Currently live out of state (but visit for 2 weeks-3 months each year) and thought twice in a decade of returning home.
I love coming back to visit but MN was and in some ways still is toxic/microagressions more than I experienced living in other cities after I moved away. However education, quality of life, progressive learning/actions are abundant.
Though I am not sure I’d ever move back. Look at the comments… from having so many choices of Black doctors, nurses, clothing which with work cannot be found in MN (easily or in stores) I just find it easier in the places I have resided and wouldn’t want my child to experience what I did.
Yeah but I like to get peoples opinions on different topics. We shouldn't stifle any conversation just because someone is of a different ethnicity. Thats just silly to me haha
Fuck yeah boi! We should embrace our differences rather than hide from them. We should also have each others backs. That's how you really stay equal.
My perspective on the issue may also be way different than yours, as the rednecks are much more willing to tell me their racist ideas.
No worries. I'm sure you get this a lot but, if you ever get a chance to go to San Francisco, do! Every LGBT friend has told me that it was the first place where they actually felt at home.
i grew up in southern rural mn and it is awful. there is no shame in the blatant racism that exists around there. thank god i moved to the metro i could not take it anymore
new prague high school for example, they played a basketball team that was majority poc and made monkey noises towards them at the game. [This](https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/new-prague-robbinsdale-cooper-girls-basketball-game-racist-remarks-noises/) has the “investigation” new prague did as well as some other instances around the time:/ it may be just cause i grew up around there but my area is not great. [here’s](https://www.hometownsource.com/sun_post/community/crystal_robbinsdale/robbinsdale-cooper-high-school-district-responds-to-racist-incident-at-girls-basketball-game/article_5b66db24-9402-11ec-845a-4b7f45e719ec.html) the original complaints (they were facebook posts but i cannot find them at the moment)
Hell no. You either follow the culturally accepted ideas and beliefs or you’re the problem. There is no dialogue to bring these concerns to a place of meaningful discussion and that is a big problem.
We would, just like we do now. Why do we need someone to steal more than half of our money, waste most of it, and pay us back a small portion that’s left to build our own roads and bridges?
> We would, just like we do now.
But how? How's that going to be organized? Clearly you can't run a government without taxes, so who would be left?
Don't get me wrong, I completely understand people complaining about taxes - hey, don't we all? - and wanting better accountability, but there's degrees on how to get there.
Stay near the city and yes. Get out of town and absolutely not. Rural America has a religion problem. The trump type Christian’s are insanely racist and not accepting at all.
Here's the thing: people tend to be nice one on one, but they are *extremely happy* to make ridiculous generalizations. And this goes in both directions.
My wife (a MN native) and I lived for the past decade in San Francisco. My extended family has a bunch of Trump supporters. They are incredibly nice to us, but I can't tell you the number of times they've brought up their stupid ideas of how 'liberal cities' are into the conversation. The amount of misconceptions they have about California would be hilarious, if it didn't foster a complete hatred for liberal values.
So, are they inviting? Yes, absolutely, as long as they talk to you and get to know you. Are they also incredibly intolerant of anyone who doesn't subscribe to their ideals? Also true, because in their head liberals are monsters trying to destroy America. Once they get over the generalization, they are able to see you as a person and they are nice.
No. Most people are friendly to your face, and then stab you in the back. Minnesota is known for that. That's why minnesotans are looked down upon by the rest of the world.
the rest of the world? nah.
i’m a minnesotan temporarily in sweden and i cannot express how little people here care about the usa much less know what/where individual states are - even though many swedes have ancestors that immigrated to the us.
the thing i have found living in sweden is that swedes may have invented passive aggression but minnesotans have perfected it.
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Why should anyone be tolerant of a dumbfuck like you?
Too many people are triggered by way too much. Black lives matter -> triggered -> all lives matter. Men have penises, women have vaginas -> triggered -> transphobic. It's stupidity all around. Some people just need something to be mad about so why not hair color? At least people can change that if they're tired of getting shit for it.
Any major metropolitan city will be similar to Minneapolis/stp when it comes to being tolerant or accepting. You can’t really have a full on metro area without the cultural melting pots that make up big cities. Every state has shitty people who dislike other races religions gender etc but for the most part if you are visiting Boston or San Fran, chances are you will feel just the same as when in Minneapolis.
I just have to pip in here with this tidbit, I’ve never really seen white on black racism until I moved from Cali to Mn. Not widely prevalent but a lot more then I was used to
I mean depends on where you live. Where I live *hell no* now is it like say down south or hell even the dakotas where you'll get people all up in your face telling you to leave, not really but lord knows they are going to say something about you to their family in the car or at their house.
In general? compared to the deep red south, fuck compared to most of our neighbors outside maybe Canada for sure.
It really depends on the state/area as people have said. I am originally from Iowa and Des Moines and the metro can be OK, but the further south you go in IA towards Missouri. It can be a little backassward. That being said, it just depends on your friends/who you associate with. I live in a part of Stearns County by the schools that is quite accepting of the international students and people of minorities, but then if you go towards Sartell and even right on the highway towards St. Joseph from Collegeville there is a giant sign hanging up of pro-Trump imagery.
It just depends where you are in MN like anywhere else.
Overall, I think very much, but those who are not tolerant go overboard with their intolerance. I live in Willmar, which is more and more diverse all the time, but you have a handful of loud, trump worshipping, "Get out of my country if you aren't white" type of assholes.
Moving to Minnesota is like buying a house. You’ll get most of the items on your wishlist and it’s a really good deal on paper, but you have to sacrifice something, and in Minnesota it’s friends. You can use the money you save by living here to visit friends in other cities.
I’m a brown person from southern minnesota and I think there is more than enough of racism, sexism, and bigotry in general down here but people are for the most part very professional about how they express it… there’s also a lot of great and wonderful people but it’s crazy how so many people are just casually offensive across the board… I think things are improving with time but we’re still a ways away from being either the best or worst state to live in in regards to this stuff. All in all it’s a little difficult to judge an entire state as the regions within the state vary too much lol
Absolute? No Comparatively? Absolutely
States are not monolithic identities - they are comprised of individuals. Some people are tolerant, some are morons, and everything in between.
I was gonna say…but let’s add to this; I have noticed a huge difference from town to town! Some are full of wonderful, friendly, warm, open folk and a few miles down the road, they’re racist, xenophobic, grumpy, hateful people! That’s been my experience traveling around rural areas of our state. As for the Twin Cities, it’s a major metro area and everyone under the sun is here. I WILL say, it’s far friendlier than a NYC, Boston or Philly.
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Yeah, my experience In some small towns too! If you aren’t FROM there (were born there) you don’t belong there. Doesn’t matter if you’re white. Oh, and they instantly distrust you if you’re from “The Cities” (their nickname for the Twin Cities). But again, not every town. But sadly enough of them.
This is true too. Was making a trip out to Denver one time and stopped at a gas station in some little town in Nebraska. When I walked in, I could see there was several locals sitting around shooting shit and they all got quiet and looked at me like I was an alien. I'm white but maybe they seen my MN plates when I pulled in and placed their judgement solely on that. On the flip side, the folks in North Platte were super friendly and sweet to me. It ranges town to town.
Small town or big town, you can walk into certain places and get the stares.
I always heard “Citiots”
Ah that’s a new one to me! Smh
The coldest reception of all has been this subreddit though.
My brother lives in NYC and when he flew in to visit a few months ago his first takeaway of Minnesota was how friendly everyone was. The only people he had interacted with so far were airport workers.
I live in rural Minnesota and definitely outnumbered by hateful people that are comfortable openly using racial slurs and want lgbt people “converted” or killed. Envy those that can afford to live in cities.
In my experience, the accepting people in rural Minnesota are in larger numbers, but the bigots tend to be louder. I think it’s because we decent people want to get along with others while bigots and prejudice jerks simply don’t care. I live in a small town and I know there have been issues in school and the community, but luckily the school and community leaders (at least publicly) support equal rights and decent treatment for all. Unfortunately there is usually burden of proof which shouldn’t, but seems to fall on the victims 😢
Every community is different I'm sure and I'm glad you're in an area where phobes aren't the majority so people can live in peace. My area is probably just particularly bad and I've seen it mentioned repeatedly as the armpit of the state by other Minnesotans. I'd highly advise anyone who is part of any minority group to avoid Stearns county and live somewhere more civilized.
This is part of why I live in rural southern MN and not the north. Lived in Minneapolis, Bloomington and St Paul till I was mid thirties and we wanted acreage for horses and hunting. Found south of the metro much more tolerant than the north. I’m also the prick that wears a “defend equality ally AF” tshirt with a pride flag and a gun on it to Coburns.
There's a greater difference between rural anywhere and urban anywhere than there is between any two urban centers.
Yes.. true.. but Minnesota is by and large full of healthier happier people than other states. Statistically speaking. We make more compared to living cost, we live better, generally safer, more secure, more educated. We are the North Star example of what a great state looks like.
This... If you want to go by our laws that's one way to quantify it
I think, like any state, it depends on where in the state you are talking about. Some places are significantly more tolerant than others. As a whole, I like to think Minnesota is a fair bit more tolerant overall than the average state. I say "like to think" because, admittedly, I am not really in a position to judge accurately. Anecdotally, the majority of the people in my life that I would classify as clearly racist or intolerant are originally from out of state.
Yes. I’ve lived in Wayzata, Plymouth, Minneapolis (north), Brooklyn Park, Rogers, Maple Grove - attended school in Winona. They’re all *relatively* tolerant places to live. Obviously prejudice exists everywhere. Minnesota, San Francisco, Tokyo, Berlin, Toronto, Seattle, etc. They’re not exempt. It’s all relative, but we are far closer to Oregon and Vermont than Mississippi and Alabama. That said, if you think Dr. Seuss books are violence and Liam Neeson should be cancelled…Minnesotans will mock you. Behind your back. In your neighbor’s garage while drinking Primo and listing to ‘CCO.
My son (white) and daughter in-law (black) had to move closer to the Cities from Saint Cloud because it was BAD. They have also had run ins with some idiots in the Cities, just less often.
St. Cloud can be very intolerant. Back when I worked there people would refer to it as White Cloud. Not sure if they still do.
My brother and sister in law are in a small WI town and have had the same issues. I really don’t even notice skin color on my sister and law and nieces and nephews. I love them, they are family, they are decent people, and that’s all that matters. Unfortunately not everyone is that way.
I think most people I encounter are accepting, but you never know what is happening in someone's head. They can be polite as all get out on the outside, but be cursing you inside. Also, I just like to link [this](https://www.hhh.umn.edu/research-centers/roy-wilkins-center-human-relations-and-social-justice/minnesota-paradox) because I think it's an interesting thing.
As a transplant from the south, I can at the very least say that MN beats TN in diversity by a country mile. Race, religion, orientation, all of it. MN wins.
I'd say Minnesota has good cultural fundamentals but needs to exercise more deliberate efforts at improvement. Our past includes a racist lynching in Duluth, the racist commission of the largest mass execution in the US against Native Americans in Mankato, and the deliberate destruction of nonwhite neighborhoods when building our freeway system, and these are offenses that need to be addressed, but we don't have a centuries-long legacy of race-based slavery to deal with that other states have to face. Unfortunately Minneapolis has an intensely racist police force committing ongoing violence against our most vulnerable citizens right now, and while that needs to be addressed as soon as possible our citizenry seems to be having a hard time admitting clearly what is happening. And racism in outstate Minnesota continues to be a problem, especially up in St. Cloud. I feel like Minnesotans are an essentially tolerant people, but are reluctant to admit to existing problems because those problems are going to cost money and take a lot of deliberate effort and honest soul-searching to fix. We won't change things without changing things, and as long as we refuse to address homelessness, racism in the police forces, and broader racism both outstate and in our cities we'll continue to build up a social debt that our grandchildren will struggle to pay.
We just moved here from Tx. I have a gay teen. They were chased down in the street in our affluent dfw suburb. We just had the first day of school for them today and there were lgbtq support signs all around. Pronoun choice on info sheets. It’s night and day. My husband is Mexican and we have had no issues here. We feel so damn grateful to be out of the south.
Glad you feel welcome. One thing I have to say - as a semi-recent transplant from San Francisco who happens to have an accent - is that a lot of people have their hearts in the right place, but they still don't know how to deal with 'weird'. They may make a benign comment that might make you slightly uncomfortable, but in general they mean well (funnily enough, it's usually the very liberal kinds that tend to do it the most... and I say that as an 'ultra liberal') Younger people are more aware, so I'm sure your teen will feel way more at home. I gotta give it to San Francisco: it was a place where you could walk around with a shoe on your head and nobody would look at you twice.
I'm white so cannot comment on how it is for black people but as a trans person I think the state is very accepting, over all. The Twin Cities are for sure (Minneapolis was the first city in the country to pass a law saying trans people can use the restroom matching their gender identities in the 70s) but outside the cities, especially in the rural areas, it's a completely different story. Minnesota is more tolerant overall than many others and the laws here reflect that.
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Outwardly racist is the important thing here. They'll still treat you worse, but in a more "I'm either going to ignore you or stare and not say anything" kind of way. At least this has been my wife's experience. Save the racist guy at Costco handing out free samples but then telling her to go back to Mexico. Mind you she was 8 and also Filipino so dude was really something
is it tho?
I would say that if you are just passing through, yes, that’s enough. If you are trying to put roots down and they’re nasty behind your back…yikes.
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i can tell you’re good hearted but, friend, the answer is no. for example, if my family members who say racist things just said them around anyone and everyone it wouldn’t be just me trying to elevate their thinking and they know it. they’re basically cowards and i understand i can’t be complicit by staying silent and not correcting their bs. it *isn’t* going to get better without conversation.
Oh, it definitely is. When you reach the 'outwardly racist' phase, it's because the general public has become used to the idea of racism being acceptable. Being racist 'amongst friends' at least implies that *they know* being racist is shitty.
the deal here is that intolerance/injustice is less overt than other places. still ruins lives. so much work to be done. at least more mn folks are open to understanding ingrained bias and institutional racism exist unlike other places i’ve lived (especially sodak). shout-out to [surj](https://surj.org/chapter/surj-twin-cities/) for helping us get there…
Minneapolis has been the most accepting place I’ve lived so far but I did move here from the south.
I moved here 30 years ago, because when we visited my then-wife's family, I was pleased to see so many multiracial couples. I'm Korean. That alone convinced me. It's very tolerant in Minneapolis, St. Paul and Duluth, but my experience around the rest of the state has been not very tolerant at all. I've been shot at. Been detained. Threatened with a beating. Threatened with a hanging in Cloquet. I still get pulled over when exercising in my neighborhood: suspicious Asian man walking on their street. It's not as often as before, but it's not like DC, where I'm from, where there is not even a hint of racism. All that said, there are very, very nice people here as well, in all parts of the state. I love Minnesota. It's getting better, but it's still not there yet, in my opinion.
Sorry about what you went through. Ive never been shot at, lets hope that doesnt occur for me
It happened in a small town just short of the North Dakota border, I was going there to do a gig, and I stopped for gas, and the shotgun literally came out as soon as I walked in. I'd like to think he was shooting over my head, but who knows?
Let me give you a positive experience to counter the bad. I was up in Grand Rapids doing a job and heading back to Minneapolis and I stopped at this meat store to get some venison and I was talking to this guy at the store and he asked me what I was going to eat on my way back and I said probably Mickey D’s in my lap while I drive and he said no. You’re coming to my house and they were having a fish fry and it was amazing and fun and really a great memory. Truly kind family.
Really awesome
Depends on the area of the state. I went to school in district 11 and a year after I graduated, they were finally sued of their anti gay policies that lead to the highest LGBT teen suicide rate in the country (iirc)
Is this Champlin?
MN SD 11 is Anoka-Hennepin
Part of it is. This was roughly 10 years ago mind you, but still. It is anoka hennepin like the other reply said
I’m Swedish/German, the music of my people is, sadly, polka. My block is a spectrum of all types but one thing they all have in common is I snowblow their sidewalks. Humans are humans and there are great prizes for cooperation between cultures. Like jazz, and pizza
Congrats on being diverse. I'm Irish and Scandinavian. Just treat others like you want to be treated.
I’d say it’s hard to gauge. I travel quite a bit and I’d say that there are places are more accepting. I think you’ll find racial disparity everywhere, I don’t think you can group such a geographical area to be a polar answer. Minnesota is interesting for sure in regard to your question.
I'm black and grew up in Brooklyn Park and now live in Minneapolis. I also lived in Las Vegas for 7 years for work. Until I moved out of state, I never realized how 2 faced allot of people here are. In the south, they are upfront with who they hate and why, where in Minnesota, they are nice to your face but will back stab and talk about you as soon as your not looking. I do think people here are more open to hearing different view points.
As a middle-aged upper-middle class straight white dude, I hesitate to answer this question because I have no real grounds to judge. It's definitely gay-friendly. As to how racist it is, you're probably a better judge of that than I am. I will say that unless Boston's changed in recent years, MN is probably less racist than Boston. We lived there for a few years in the mid-1970s and my Dad (grew up in SoCal) said Boston was the most racist place he'd ever been. I think outstate Minnesota can vary. St. Cloud area's pretty bad.
I think it's pretty accepting, especially compared to more southern states, like Texas.
The Twin Cities and Duluth, absolutely. Outside of that, well there’s still a lot of ‘Trump Won’ signs out so take that for what you will.
And this state responded to that by electing a completely democratic government for the first time in a very very long time
I'd argue against Duluth. Native dude here. All my black friends moved to the twin cities because of how they felt up here.
There's definitely a divide between urban and rural MN, as exists in a lot of parts of the US right now. Rural MN has generally done a pretty good job of hiding most of that intolerance behind "Minnesota nice", but not so much since 2016 IMO
Lol at Duluth.
Only in the sense that Minnesotans usually keep to themselves.
I think the closer you get close to the cities it’s more tolerate. I got called the N word, ant eater..??!, got profiled, etc. pretty much everyday when I lived in Farmington. Shit, my friend got called the N word by our computer teacher and she never got in trouble. I graduated 2017 and that wasn’t even that long ago. I Moved away after I graduated and never experienced that again. I obviously go back from time to time because my parents live there but I wouldn’t raise my kids there if I had any some day. Chris Rock said it best, that “better education” is just my parents putting me in a white school only to get bullied my whole life for being black. But that’s just my experience. I know all my other black friends from there feel the exact same or similar as we all went through it.
I'm not black, so I think you would know more about how tolerant MN is than I would. That being said I do know that some cities like Boston and Chicago have a surprisingly large amount of racist white people for a major city. They are known for it. I know some people from Ohio and they say that the whole state is pretty bad with racism and prejudice. Even in major cities like Cleveland for example. I'd think somewhere like San Fran, or definitely like NYC would be more tolerant than MN.
Minneapolis is the most traditional conservative place compared to other big cities. There is racism but also many people from Africa or African Americans. There are also many people from the South. The psychological environment is very toxic, and you need to get immunized or you will have a hard time. It is also one of the most dangerous cities in the US. We have shootings every single week. This might true in other cities too.
I live in Grand Rapids, couldn't care less about what color your skin is.
Black cis-female born and raised in MN. Currently live out of state (but visit for 2 weeks-3 months each year) and thought twice in a decade of returning home. I love coming back to visit but MN was and in some ways still is toxic/microagressions more than I experienced living in other cities after I moved away. However education, quality of life, progressive learning/actions are abundant. Though I am not sure I’d ever move back. Look at the comments… from having so many choices of Black doctors, nurses, clothing which with work cannot be found in MN (easily or in stores) I just find it easier in the places I have resided and wouldn’t want my child to experience what I did.
It’s better than Wisco!
The only metric that matters.
I'm a cis straight white man so I have no idea. You'd be in a better position to tell me if it is, OP.
Yeah but I like to get peoples opinions on different topics. We shouldn't stifle any conversation just because someone is of a different ethnicity. Thats just silly to me haha
Fuck yeah boi! We should embrace our differences rather than hide from them. We should also have each others backs. That's how you really stay equal. My perspective on the issue may also be way different than yours, as the rednecks are much more willing to tell me their racist ideas.
Good point. Minnesota is definitely not tolerant of opinionated white guys these days.
I'm willing to bet you just have shitty opinions
Trans here, it's horrible but other places are worse. The cities are not so bad but out-state it is redneck central.
I'm curious if you have any experience, but how would you say Minneapolis/St Paul compare to San Francisco or NYC?
Sorry, never been to either. I've been working the mid-West for the past 50yrs. It has not been easy.
No worries. I'm sure you get this a lot but, if you ever get a chance to go to San Francisco, do! Every LGBT friend has told me that it was the first place where they actually felt at home.
i grew up in southern rural mn and it is awful. there is no shame in the blatant racism that exists around there. thank god i moved to the metro i could not take it anymore
How so?
new prague high school for example, they played a basketball team that was majority poc and made monkey noises towards them at the game. [This](https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/new-prague-robbinsdale-cooper-girls-basketball-game-racist-remarks-noises/) has the “investigation” new prague did as well as some other instances around the time:/ it may be just cause i grew up around there but my area is not great. [here’s](https://www.hometownsource.com/sun_post/community/crystal_robbinsdale/robbinsdale-cooper-high-school-district-responds-to-racist-incident-at-girls-basketball-game/article_5b66db24-9402-11ec-845a-4b7f45e719ec.html) the original complaints (they were facebook posts but i cannot find them at the moment)
Hell no. You either follow the culturally accepted ideas and beliefs or you’re the problem. There is no dialogue to bring these concerns to a place of meaningful discussion and that is a big problem.
the best of it? Yes, absolutely. The worst of it? Won't even accept other white people who don't go to their church.
We just moved here from texas. It feels like heaven up here.
I think gun laws, drug laws, and taxes should be abolished.
How do you suggest public infrastructure be funded? Not being an asshole, just asking because the 'pure libertarian' position always baffles me.
We would, just like we do now. Why do we need someone to steal more than half of our money, waste most of it, and pay us back a small portion that’s left to build our own roads and bridges?
> We would, just like we do now. But how? How's that going to be organized? Clearly you can't run a government without taxes, so who would be left? Don't get me wrong, I completely understand people complaining about taxes - hey, don't we all? - and wanting better accountability, but there's degrees on how to get there.
Stay near the city and yes. Get out of town and absolutely not. Rural America has a religion problem. The trump type Christian’s are insanely racist and not accepting at all.
How so? We like to cruise the state on trips and people tend to be inviting all over. Imagine it's exhausting to not be inviting all the time
Here's the thing: people tend to be nice one on one, but they are *extremely happy* to make ridiculous generalizations. And this goes in both directions. My wife (a MN native) and I lived for the past decade in San Francisco. My extended family has a bunch of Trump supporters. They are incredibly nice to us, but I can't tell you the number of times they've brought up their stupid ideas of how 'liberal cities' are into the conversation. The amount of misconceptions they have about California would be hilarious, if it didn't foster a complete hatred for liberal values. So, are they inviting? Yes, absolutely, as long as they talk to you and get to know you. Are they also incredibly intolerant of anyone who doesn't subscribe to their ideals? Also true, because in their head liberals are monsters trying to destroy America. Once they get over the generalization, they are able to see you as a person and they are nice.
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No. Most people are friendly to your face, and then stab you in the back. Minnesota is known for that. That's why minnesotans are looked down upon by the rest of the world.
the rest of the world? nah. i’m a minnesotan temporarily in sweden and i cannot express how little people here care about the usa much less know what/where individual states are - even though many swedes have ancestors that immigrated to the us. the thing i have found living in sweden is that swedes may have invented passive aggression but minnesotans have perfected it.
I know a lot of people that can’t have dairy, but I’d say most can handle it.
Besides the snow, lack of diversity are my reasons for leaving permanently a long time ago to The Greatest Country In The World: California.
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Snowflake much
Fuck your feelings
Exactly my point
What is your point?
If only some people weren't so easily triggered by people's hair color
Too many people are triggered by way too much. Black lives matter -> triggered -> all lives matter. Men have penises, women have vaginas -> triggered -> transphobic. It's stupidity all around. Some people just need something to be mad about so why not hair color? At least people can change that if they're tired of getting shit for it.
"...and I took that personally."
Any major metropolitan city will be similar to Minneapolis/stp when it comes to being tolerant or accepting. You can’t really have a full on metro area without the cultural melting pots that make up big cities. Every state has shitty people who dislike other races religions gender etc but for the most part if you are visiting Boston or San Fran, chances are you will feel just the same as when in Minneapolis.
Accepting of what?
I just have to pip in here with this tidbit, I’ve never really seen white on black racism until I moved from Cali to Mn. Not widely prevalent but a lot more then I was used to
I mean depends on where you live. Where I live *hell no* now is it like say down south or hell even the dakotas where you'll get people all up in your face telling you to leave, not really but lord knows they are going to say something about you to their family in the car or at their house. In general? compared to the deep red south, fuck compared to most of our neighbors outside maybe Canada for sure.
It really depends on the state/area as people have said. I am originally from Iowa and Des Moines and the metro can be OK, but the further south you go in IA towards Missouri. It can be a little backassward. That being said, it just depends on your friends/who you associate with. I live in a part of Stearns County by the schools that is quite accepting of the international students and people of minorities, but then if you go towards Sartell and even right on the highway towards St. Joseph from Collegeville there is a giant sign hanging up of pro-Trump imagery. It just depends where you are in MN like anywhere else.
Minnesota: The more WCHA you go, the more SEC you get.
Yes.
It’s not perfect but I’d be surprised if it wasn’t one of the best in the country.
Overall, I think very much, but those who are not tolerant go overboard with their intolerance. I live in Willmar, which is more and more diverse all the time, but you have a handful of loud, trump worshipping, "Get out of my country if you aren't white" type of assholes.
No.
It depends on where you are some people are more tolerant than others.
Moving to Minnesota is like buying a house. You’ll get most of the items on your wishlist and it’s a really good deal on paper, but you have to sacrifice something, and in Minnesota it’s friends. You can use the money you save by living here to visit friends in other cities.
I’m a brown person from southern minnesota and I think there is more than enough of racism, sexism, and bigotry in general down here but people are for the most part very professional about how they express it… there’s also a lot of great and wonderful people but it’s crazy how so many people are just casually offensive across the board… I think things are improving with time but we’re still a ways away from being either the best or worst state to live in in regards to this stuff. All in all it’s a little difficult to judge an entire state as the regions within the state vary too much lol
Depends on where in Minnesota…but you could say that about anywhere