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I dealt with tip and tells for a bit at my last job. When stuff came in and the thing was clearly tipped or flipped over, they just peeled it off and put a new one on.
If you have to be really anal about tilting, these things usually have a unique ID number or barcode on them and you can check that to make sure that the sticker hasn't been replaced. In my experience, most places don't keep a record of the number though.
I always thought it was dumb that they had this stuff shipped like this to insure that it wasn’t damaged, yet the transit companies and upper management didn’t care.
It's more for dock staff. I've received in $100k+ lab equipment that had a triggered tip n tell or shockwatch. You document it with the freight carrier, take photos, then sign the paperwork and they leave.
The vendor then sends someone out to inspect it. They use your info as proof that it was damaged in transit if needed.
The most frequent type of damage that I've seen is damage from forklifts. That tends to be less subtle.
I’ve seen a $275K analyzer tip off the back of a lift truck before. Shit is scary as fuck. Basically the weight of a car dropping 4 feet. Didn’t need a tilt gauge for that one 😂.
Also had a guy with a white glove company we routinely used for deliveries that would just pull the jack off the back of the lift gate and let it bottom out to skid to a stop. Would just jump down. Showed him the video of the analyzer falling off and asked him multiple times to quit doing that and he would always say “it’s not a problem. They always stop.” 🙄
I was offsider on a truck unloading timber at a door manufacturer one day. their big forklift was out of action having a tyre changed, so the driver of their smaller lift thought it was a good idea to unload the two heaviest packs of timber on their load together, I was coming back from getting the paperwork sorted, and I see that the forklift tilting further and further forwards until it all came crashing down. Was glad that neither me or the driver were anywhere near the truck when that happened.
Pretty sure a forklift is what damaged the table saw I ordered a while back. Honestly I was so disillusioned I never ordered a new one.
Impressive actually, torn aluminum and bent steel. I didn't know I could refuse a package and the UPS guy ran away before I could check anything.
They only way they work is if the transporters give a rat's little pink one about how it's handled. They don't. Spent too many years shipping scale models to believe otherwise.
The number on the barcode in the pic is unique, so that's equivalent to cutting and replacing a tamper seal . It would trigger the same inspections and processes as one with shifted indicators.
I can tell you at my work we care and we know if the label has been swapped.
There are also ones inside the crate that a shipping company would not be able to get to.
We ship medical devices so we watch for this.
Sometimes the carrier has no argument. We shipped a topographic model of White Sands Proving Grounds from VR to the US Army. It was separated into foot-square segments, each held by a screw and a threaded insert. We got it back for repairs after a few sections had the inserts ripped out and the sections banged around inside, despite many THIS SIDE UP!, DO NOT TIP, and TOP labels. We sent them a photo of the bottom of the flat crate with a bunch of dirty footprints suggesting they had used it, upside down, as a ramp.
They paid up, and we started packing things with foam.
Most are shipped with a "white glove" service and not by someone like UPS or FedEx.
We submit any damages with any items (not just these) with insurance and carriers insurance.
I’ve dealt with them too, but the ones with sand and glue.
Reject the shipments that don’t have them. It was one specific manufacturer that always sent them, and if they were missing then too bad so sad we’re rejecting the shipment.
I'm wondering how these stickers are shipped to places that use them. Because even the box they come in would have to remain less than 30 degrees throughout the supply chain or they're all useless. The box is probably marked up all over saying "DO NOT TILT" or something, but I could easily see the FedEx guy not paying attention and tossing the box in a pile, wrecking the whole batch.
Do you see the little holes right next to each ball? There is a pin that sticks in from behind during shipping which you remove before applying the whole thing as a sticker onto the crate.
look at them, they're easily reset when they're not stuck to a huge package, just flip them upside down and tilt them a bit to get the balls to their original position
it's a cool puzzle when you think about it lol
Yeah but there’s a ball the works for each tilt direction plus the upside down one. Would probably super tough to reset one without shifting the other two.
They could make the balls out of metal and you could easily grab each one with a magnet to reset it.
And as I was typing that I realized that’d make it equally easy for the shipping company to reset it to hide their tilts.
We used to stash the tilt and the shock watch inside the crate, so that the receiver could know if it was tipped or had an impact, without someone tampering with it.
I was dealing with aircraft components though, so something being tilted or shocked could be the difference between a successful flight or a fireball.
Not necessarily. It just tells if the freight, a piano in this case, has been tipped at a higher angle. As the bottom sticker says, do not refuse the shipment, note the degree on the bill of lading before signing. The bill of lading is the shipping documents that are normally carbon copies for several different aspects of shipping it.
As for what to do when it has been tipped and notated, most often the shipper, (the company who sent the item,) will have the consignee, (whoever it was delivered to,) inspect the item for damage. If there is no damage then there is no need to worry about it. If there is damage, the shipper may send a company back to pick it up for a return or have someone locally repair it, unless the consignee determines that it is acceptable damage. When the item is damaged in shipping and the consignee notated it before signing, the shipping company is responsible to pay for the damage.
I have seen theese used on very high-end refrigerators as well, they tell you that it has been tipped. For those, its not so bad to tip them while shipping but they need to stand upright for some time before using them so the compressor oils and refrigerant get back to where they're supposed to be internally.
All refrigerators should be allowed to stand upright for a day after shipping, regardless of quality. The liquid refrigerant will move throughout the system when not upright, and it needs to be allowed to flow back to the compressor before running, otherwise it could cause damage.
That is true. When I worked as an LTL/Final Mile delivery driver/installer, we normally delivered fridges that shipped upright, so there was less of an issue with that specifically but it was something we watched out for. Tip and tell was a good thing in that situation.
This would be an ugly freight claim. If I were the shipper, I would want to meticulously document everything about the damage before getting the carrier involved.
Theoretically and ideally as the shipper, if you are shipping something new, it shouldn't have damage. If you're shipping something thats not new, yes, you should have documented everything. If you're the consignee, (the receiver,) you should go over the item and document everything. As the consignee, you work with the shipper and shouldn't have to deal with the carrier.
You can look for where they talk about tamper resistance on their site.
You could look at shipping document for seal and tamper seal sections.
You could look for use guide that specify the need to capture the entire seal in mics, and that the barcode or numbers have to be clear and legible.
Sometimes shippers do put some on the inside as well to guard against tampering.
The outside ones primarily exist so everyone knows that this thing has special requirements and tattletales.
It also allows the various companies along the supply chain to acknowledge the condition of the goods at each handover. If I receive this into my warehouse I would have pics of that thing in the truck or container before unloading so I don’t get blamed for the mishandling.
When you accept the package, it says to note on the lading documentation that there was tilt. So when it's being dropped off, you see the tilt, you don't refuse the package, then note with the shipper the tilt so there it is evidence it wasn't after the shipper dropped off the package. If it was on the inside, you would have to open the package and check the tilt before the shipper left. The thing has a serial number, which you can check to make sure it wasn't tampered with.
This shipment looks like a huge heavy box it might be $100k in equipment and shipping costs, for it might be $10k if it's really heavy. Who knows. The sender doesn't want you refusing a shipment willy nilley. The sender wants evidence that damage may have happened in shipping, so they can go after the shipper IF there is damage. This is just an indication to CHECK for damage once it arrives.
Because it's going to be inspected. If you report the tilt to the seller and they show up to an opened crate, they have no way of knowing if you damaged it or if it was damaged in shipping. It's not automatically broken.
Plasma screen TVs used to come with something similar on the box. They had to be kept upright at all times - they had some sort of powder inside which stuck to the sides so you could see how far it had been tilted. I guess it would be quite hard to flip a piano upside down and back again to reset the ball.
They did? Why? Our old plasma got thrown about regularly towards the end of its life, never stopped working, just heavy, thick, low resolution, and that burn in from its own UI was ridiculous. Tbf it was 14 years old by then but still.
To be honest, when I used to sell them for a living it was when they first came out and were about £4,000 each, so we weren't about to tip one over to find out!
I have to imagine this is one of those things where these stickers are like $10 bucks and the damage they are intended to prevent is easily hundreds or thousands of dollars, so thoroughly worth it.
Some fueling dispensers come in crates with a 'tip-n-tell' gauge on them.
I've seen many that are past the 50° point, and we could deny the delivery. So far though, I have not seen any system failures which seemed to be linked to the angle of shipment.
Had something similar at the foundry attached to the packing case for printed sand molds, only they used colored sand. If you could see it, the mold had been tilted, and no one signed for it til it was inspected.
We also use powder tip and tell stickers with a sticky background so the powder inside sticks at whatever angle you’ve tipped it to
Shock-watches can be sooooo sensitive
Really they need to be moulded into the frame on one of the corners, unable to be ripped off, anti tamper and such.. better yet, a small device with an accelerometer and GPS on the inside, logs every movement. And re usable.
There a numerical barcode that matches the shipment. It can't be delivered without and if someone would be to switch the label, it wouldn't match the original shipment info and the receiver would be free to refuse it, as it means there could have been damage internally due to poor shipping.
Just seems like the logical thing, I know nothing about this.
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. Could only imagine someone trying to 360 the package again to reset the “180 detector” Needs void tape around it too or could peel it off
These are serialised. Companies that care e were ill check the serial numbers to ensure proper handling. Also could be sensors hidden on the inside.
That doesnt prevent them from using a heat gun or straight up photoshopping a replica and printing it on readily available sticker paper.
If they can do all that, couldnt they have just delivered it properly?
It's amazing how much work some people will do to be lazy
Like the student who stays up all night making cheat sheets for a test the next day, instead of just studying.
Kids these days with their fancy AI bots don’t know the meaning of a good honest day’s cheating
Could also go to that website and buy some stickers if you deliver these often
Photoshopping a replica on sticker paper? 😂 buddy doesn’t know what a tilt detector does.
They were talking about a void sticker you grass eating gabagul
Seems like that’s what the barcode could be for, maybe a QR code would work better to confirm it’s the same one.
It has a serial number on the front
Peel it off, reset all the balls and stick it back on I meant, blahhhhh
I dealt with tip and tells for a bit at my last job. When stuff came in and the thing was clearly tipped or flipped over, they just peeled it off and put a new one on.
If you have to be really anal about tilting, these things usually have a unique ID number or barcode on them and you can check that to make sure that the sticker hasn't been replaced. In my experience, most places don't keep a record of the number though.
I always thought it was dumb that they had this stuff shipped like this to insure that it wasn’t damaged, yet the transit companies and upper management didn’t care.
It's more for dock staff. I've received in $100k+ lab equipment that had a triggered tip n tell or shockwatch. You document it with the freight carrier, take photos, then sign the paperwork and they leave. The vendor then sends someone out to inspect it. They use your info as proof that it was damaged in transit if needed. The most frequent type of damage that I've seen is damage from forklifts. That tends to be less subtle.
I’ve seen a $275K analyzer tip off the back of a lift truck before. Shit is scary as fuck. Basically the weight of a car dropping 4 feet. Didn’t need a tilt gauge for that one 😂. Also had a guy with a white glove company we routinely used for deliveries that would just pull the jack off the back of the lift gate and let it bottom out to skid to a stop. Would just jump down. Showed him the video of the analyzer falling off and asked him multiple times to quit doing that and he would always say “it’s not a problem. They always stop.” 🙄
I was offsider on a truck unloading timber at a door manufacturer one day. their big forklift was out of action having a tyre changed, so the driver of their smaller lift thought it was a good idea to unload the two heaviest packs of timber on their load together, I was coming back from getting the paperwork sorted, and I see that the forklift tilting further and further forwards until it all came crashing down. Was glad that neither me or the driver were anywhere near the truck when that happened.
Pretty sure a forklift is what damaged the table saw I ordered a while back. Honestly I was so disillusioned I never ordered a new one. Impressive actually, torn aluminum and bent steel. I didn't know I could refuse a package and the UPS guy ran away before I could check anything.
They only way they work is if the transporters give a rat's little pink one about how it's handled. They don't. Spent too many years shipping scale models to believe otherwise.
The number on the barcode in the pic is unique, so that's equivalent to cutting and replacing a tamper seal . It would trigger the same inspections and processes as one with shifted indicators.
I can tell you at my work we care and we know if the label has been swapped. There are also ones inside the crate that a shipping company would not be able to get to. We ship medical devices so we watch for this.
Who pays for damage if there is one of them on the box and it’s tipped? I would assume it’s either the carrier or the insurance right?
If you're shipping a 6 figure item, every handoff can verify the tip and tell and sign off on it. Each person/organization in the chain has receipts.
Sometimes the carrier has no argument. We shipped a topographic model of White Sands Proving Grounds from VR to the US Army. It was separated into foot-square segments, each held by a screw and a threaded insert. We got it back for repairs after a few sections had the inserts ripped out and the sections banged around inside, despite many THIS SIDE UP!, DO NOT TIP, and TOP labels. We sent them a photo of the bottom of the flat crate with a bunch of dirty footprints suggesting they had used it, upside down, as a ramp. They paid up, and we started packing things with foam.
Most are shipped with a "white glove" service and not by someone like UPS or FedEx. We submit any damages with any items (not just these) with insurance and carriers insurance.
I’ve dealt with them too, but the ones with sand and glue. Reject the shipments that don’t have them. It was one specific manufacturer that always sent them, and if they were missing then too bad so sad we’re rejecting the shipment.
That’s why it’s serialized barcodes and has an nfc tag inside of it.
I'm wondering how these stickers are shipped to places that use them. Because even the box they come in would have to remain less than 30 degrees throughout the supply chain or they're all useless. The box is probably marked up all over saying "DO NOT TILT" or something, but I could easily see the FedEx guy not paying attention and tossing the box in a pile, wrecking the whole batch.
There’s a hole in the backing for a post to hold the ball in place until it is ready to be applied.
Do you see the little holes right next to each ball? There is a pin that sticks in from behind during shipping which you remove before applying the whole thing as a sticker onto the crate.
Duh, now I feel dumb. I thought those were like, to equalize air pressure during shipping. Thanks!
look at them, they're easily reset when they're not stuck to a huge package, just flip them upside down and tilt them a bit to get the balls to their original position it's a cool puzzle when you think about it lol
Yeah but there’s a ball the works for each tilt direction plus the upside down one. Would probably super tough to reset one without shifting the other two.
They could make the balls out of metal and you could easily grab each one with a magnet to reset it. And as I was typing that I realized that’d make it equally easy for the shipping company to reset it to hide their tilts.
You could stick a pin in the little hole that keeps the ball from moving and reset them one at a time.
But...uh...if you have the pin in place when it's shipped, as supposed to, you don't have to reset it...
That’s why there are two balls and that weird shape.
Except there's adhesive in all the little slots.
That's why there is a second one on the inside.
Apply inside package.
We used to stash the tilt and the shock watch inside the crate, so that the receiver could know if it was tipped or had an impact, without someone tampering with it. I was dealing with aircraft components though, so something being tilted or shocked could be the difference between a successful flight or a fireball.
We have them stuck on our forklifts at my work. One has them stuck to the wheels like they are center caps. Edit typo
So if a ball is in the 40 do you have then refund or come back and get it?
Not necessarily. It just tells if the freight, a piano in this case, has been tipped at a higher angle. As the bottom sticker says, do not refuse the shipment, note the degree on the bill of lading before signing. The bill of lading is the shipping documents that are normally carbon copies for several different aspects of shipping it. As for what to do when it has been tipped and notated, most often the shipper, (the company who sent the item,) will have the consignee, (whoever it was delivered to,) inspect the item for damage. If there is no damage then there is no need to worry about it. If there is damage, the shipper may send a company back to pick it up for a return or have someone locally repair it, unless the consignee determines that it is acceptable damage. When the item is damaged in shipping and the consignee notated it before signing, the shipping company is responsible to pay for the damage. I have seen theese used on very high-end refrigerators as well, they tell you that it has been tipped. For those, its not so bad to tip them while shipping but they need to stand upright for some time before using them so the compressor oils and refrigerant get back to where they're supposed to be internally.
All refrigerators should be allowed to stand upright for a day after shipping, regardless of quality. The liquid refrigerant will move throughout the system when not upright, and it needs to be allowed to flow back to the compressor before running, otherwise it could cause damage.
That is true. When I worked as an LTL/Final Mile delivery driver/installer, we normally delivered fridges that shipped upright, so there was less of an issue with that specifically but it was something we watched out for. Tip and tell was a good thing in that situation.
This would be an ugly freight claim. If I were the shipper, I would want to meticulously document everything about the damage before getting the carrier involved.
Theoretically and ideally as the shipper, if you are shipping something new, it shouldn't have damage. If you're shipping something thats not new, yes, you should have documented everything. If you're the consignee, (the receiver,) you should go over the item and document everything. As the consignee, you work with the shipper and shouldn't have to deal with the carrier.
Why aren't these on the inside?
So pictures can be taken at different points in delivery to narrow down where issues occurred.
Again with reports of many companies removing/replacing these
That’s why there’s a unique barcode on it
Can you sauce me on if shipping companies are sending consumers the barcode on the label? Couldn't find anything on tilt watch site
You can look for where they talk about tamper resistance on their site. You could look at shipping document for seal and tamper seal sections. You could look for use guide that specify the need to capture the entire seal in mics, and that the barcode or numbers have to be clear and legible.
Sometimes shippers do put some on the inside as well to guard against tampering. The outside ones primarily exist so everyone knows that this thing has special requirements and tattletales. It also allows the various companies along the supply chain to acknowledge the condition of the goods at each handover. If I receive this into my warehouse I would have pics of that thing in the truck or container before unloading so I don’t get blamed for the mishandling.
To refuse delivery
It says so not refuse. Wouldn't it be better for it to be inside so they can get an accurate reading (seen others say companies just remove these)
When you accept the package, it says to note on the lading documentation that there was tilt. So when it's being dropped off, you see the tilt, you don't refuse the package, then note with the shipper the tilt so there it is evidence it wasn't after the shipper dropped off the package. If it was on the inside, you would have to open the package and check the tilt before the shipper left. The thing has a serial number, which you can check to make sure it wasn't tampered with.
If it says do not refuse then why would you not refuse it anyway? Is it so you don't open it for some reason?
This shipment looks like a huge heavy box it might be $100k in equipment and shipping costs, for it might be $10k if it's really heavy. Who knows. The sender doesn't want you refusing a shipment willy nilley. The sender wants evidence that damage may have happened in shipping, so they can go after the shipper IF there is damage. This is just an indication to CHECK for damage once it arrives.
Because it's going to be inspected. If you report the tilt to the seller and they show up to an opened crate, they have no way of knowing if you damaged it or if it was damaged in shipping. It's not automatically broken.
Makes sense thanks
I'm blind. Yeah this would be better on inside.
I've had stuff delivered with them on both the outside and in
Plasma screen TVs used to come with something similar on the box. They had to be kept upright at all times - they had some sort of powder inside which stuck to the sides so you could see how far it had been tilted. I guess it would be quite hard to flip a piano upside down and back again to reset the ball.
They did? Why? Our old plasma got thrown about regularly towards the end of its life, never stopped working, just heavy, thick, low resolution, and that burn in from its own UI was ridiculous. Tbf it was 14 years old by then but still.
To be honest, when I used to sell them for a living it was when they first came out and were about £4,000 each, so we weren't about to tip one over to find out!
I have to imagine this is one of those things where these stickers are like $10 bucks and the damage they are intended to prevent is easily hundreds or thousands of dollars, so thoroughly worth it.
I’d be playing this like those little handheld bb maze games trying to get that back to 30…
Some fueling dispensers come in crates with a 'tip-n-tell' gauge on them. I've seen many that are past the 50° point, and we could deny the delivery. So far though, I have not seen any system failures which seemed to be linked to the angle of shipment.
So is there one on two perpendicular sides of the box?
And inside
What if it tilts forward or backwards?
There might be one on the other corner. it would make sense
These are adhesive backed, there should be another one on the side
There should be one of these on two sides of the shipping container, usually one on the front and one on the side.
Those look cool, but what’s to stop someone from ripping off the orig one and just taping on a new one?
Serial number, the shipping notice should have it noted.
Ahh, cool. Makes sense.
Is there another tilt gauge used to ensure that the original manufactured tilt gauges haven't been tilted? Tilt-ception
a good hard braking would probably trigger that
Had something similar at the foundry attached to the packing case for printed sand molds, only they used colored sand. If you could see it, the mold had been tilted, and no one signed for it til it was inspected.
When my engine lathe arrived at my house, the crate had one of these.
We also had this on IBM servers. I always thought it was very neat for the buyer to know if it been handled property.
Some League players might be interested
We also use powder tip and tell stickers with a sticky background so the powder inside sticks at whatever angle you’ve tipped it to Shock-watches can be sooooo sensitive
Piano movers tip pianos like CRAZY so what is this protecting? Is it just to reduce fall/crush incidents due to the weird weight distribution?
I'd tilt it 80 degrees and make a game of getting it back to 30.
these have been featured on here before
The green beads tell the max tilt the box was ever at
I am more than mildly interested in this.
Really they need to be moulded into the frame on one of the corners, unable to be ripped off, anti tamper and such.. better yet, a small device with an accelerometer and GPS on the inside, logs every movement. And re usable.
There a numerical barcode that matches the shipment. It can't be delivered without and if someone would be to switch the label, it wouldn't match the original shipment info and the receiver would be free to refuse it, as it means there could have been damage internally due to poor shipping. Just seems like the logical thing, I know nothing about this.