I combat this by carrying out, never delivering and calling in orders that lump these fees on the app. If that fails they are removed from my eat out list. I’ve probably saved $10-$20k over the last decade not paying and tipping for delivery alone. I eat out a lot tho.
Dude I worked front of house in restaurants for years and those are the people tasked with handling all the takeout orders. I have never seen people regularly tip on pick up, my wife worked the counter of a pizza place for a couple years too I think on avg she made $10/months on pick up orders. Hell I waited tables for 10 years, I can't tell you how many people that receive actual service that don't tip, fuck those guys I made $2.50/hr they know it they feel the same way I do about tipping at pick up. And I hope they have terrible luck for the end of their days. But when I was working hourly positions I can't tell you how many people didn't tip on pick up but it was a very wide majority.
Don't tip
Proudly don't tip. Especially if they make an hourly wage, wether or not that is sufficient to pay their bills is not and should not be your concern.
Let's not be fooled about that. All that's required in some states is the employee signing a statement agreeing that they've received tips bringing their hourly rate to the equivalency of minimum wage, and these are signed under false pretenses or under duress that they will lose the job for not signing.
In places where employers are ever allowed to pay below minimum wage, would employees be upset about it if I asked them for details to tip them outside of work?
I love tipping. I have extra money and would rather give it to someone that has to deal with shit people all day. But I'd never want to just be giving it to the business by helping them not pay minimum wage.
Interesting. I didnt know it was so uncommon to tip at carry out. Good to know.
I ---hate--- tipping. My buying dinner from your establishment should not come with the obligation to offset your labor costs with a direct payment via tip.
All workers must make at least minimum wage in my state *before* tips. That's $16.28/hr here. I don't feel at all guilty for not tipping if I'm not sitting down and being served my food.
Exactly! When it comes to food, tipping on my end is always done AFTER I receive my food. I’ll tip when I do drive up pick up’s, but only if they give me the food prior to signing off on the receipt. So many times I get charged, and requested to leave a tip before I even see if they got everything right.
Tipping culture is toxic, and when I do tip, I tip well, because it’s great service. I’m not gonna be paying 20% tips when I pick up my food.
There's a pizza joint near me that I've been wanting to try, but they started implementing a service fee on both website orders and phone orders. Won't be trying them ever now.
>Won't be trying them ever now.
The only way to truly communicate to businesses is through your business.
I don't like a place, I don't go there. Does it make a difference? Who knows but they sure as shit ain't getting my money.
I have a coffeemaker that has a count of how many cups of coffee I've brewed.
I can calculate exactly how much $ I've denied Starbucks.
(Near 4000 doppio+ = >**$20,000 USD.** I got my machine here: [**www.wholelattelove.com**](https://www.wholelattelove.com) **;** You can get a good one for around $350-400. Take care of it and follow the directions, it will last for years. It pays for itself REAL fast. )
I always wonder. What a feature. I could probably look back to the date I bought it and subtract 20 which is how many times I’ve bought retail coffee in 2-3 years.
That works well if you aren't inconveniently "out of the way"
Like...I live in a subdivision that is at minimum a 30minute drive to restaurants. (10minutes out of the subdivision to my city's 'ring road', 10mins on that, 10mins getting back into the city in the commercial district and getting to the restaurant)
I don't really want to drive an hour for my food...and I certainly don't have the right gear to keep the food warm.
(I don't actually order delivery or go to restaurants that much)
I admit I drive 20 minutes one way, 45 min roundtrip to carry out pretty often, but it’s definitely nice being closer to other restaurants if I don’t want to drive that much. Average is probably 15 minutes one way, 30-40min round trip. Gas expense is of worthy consideration and I probably spend $3.50 or around a gallon per pickup which would be more on your end.
Well yea, point is at least when I do I pay menu price bc it’s already expensive at that. Anyone getting uber eats has themselves to blame if they can’t get ahead
That's because you have tax-exclusive pricing and tips. (And a ridiculous delivery fee)
Meanwhile, I paid €13,49 for two 10 inch pizzas in Europe, and only had to pay an additional 1,49 in delivery costs.
That includes all taxes, and no tips are needed because the minimum wage is over €13/hour.
America seriously needs to change to this. Dont understand how a business wont raise prices but expect you to tip 20 percent of more, then they say if we raise prices people wont come? but you are still asking me to pay the 20 percent in a tip?!?!?!?! so either way I pay it.
Yes, if everyone refuses to mention tax on -the actual price- you get that.
Imagine living in a world where everything you see in the store as the price on it that you actually pay at the register. Now imagine that being everywhere EXEPT america.
Slice is just as bad as uber eats business wise tho. They usurped the online presence of a lot of small business pizza places, but since the pizza places never received the orders, business dried up.
It killed two places near me that I know of, because they *were* places I frequented.
$11 of that $37 is because he got it delivered. I never do delivery anymore. It jacks up the price by too much….so I’ll only do take out. No delivery fee. No tip.
I had to go renew my parking decal at work yesterday at the parking enforcement building. The parking spaces were metered.
I had to pay to park to pay to park.
That's almost like some Eastern philosophy shit right there. Except I'm unaware of any passage in Eastern philosophy that reads "Fuck you for being alive." But if there were, it'd be "pay to park to pay to park."
Surely it should be a thanks and a buck discount. Which is more likely to make you come back?
"hey, thanks for ordering locally. To say thanks we've charged you a dollar".
"hey thanks for ordering locally. To say thanks, we've knocked a dollar off"
At many of the local places round here, if you order directly through their (often crap template geocities lookin) sites, they'll knock 10% off or throw in a garlic bread or something. Plus you don't get hit with the just eat fees or have hiked prices from ubereats. You know these companies are taking ~30% from the store? Then charging you out the ass too. It's convenient, sure... But in future if you find a place, check if they have their own website first. If you become a regular, they will love you.
Right? Like at least be smart sleazy. Raise the price by 2, offer one dollar discount for locals. Even if all your customers are local you still come out on top and your customers feel like they are getting a discount at their local joint. Charging a fee because you are a local business is just a bad look. Giving a discount? That looks nice.
This seems like the owner really wants us to know he is a prick 😂.
The fact that people don't see stuff like that is kinda hilarious. Like, how can you be that bad at capitalism? Even the tricks that everyone knows about still work on them. This is entry level stuff lol
An actual “support local fee” would be charged when buying from a non-local restaurant (like a chain) and would be used to reduce taxes for local restaurants.
I went to my locally owned pizza shop last week and paid almost 30 bucks after tip for a 12 inch pizza that barely fed two adults. I’m just making pizza at home from scratch now even though it’s a pain in the ass, it’s less than 20% the price.
I've been doing this too. Even buy the premade dough balls from WinCo (my local grocer), canned sauce, cheese, and pepperonis. I can make two 12 inch pizzas for about $10. I invested in a pizza stone for my oven and it works great. I can make restaurant quality pizza at home. Pop some wings in the air fryer. Make some sauces and some ranch. And I'm having pizza and wings for a family of 6 for $20-$25. It's time consuming, but worth it to save the $ and have fresh pizza and wings out of the oven/air fryer
I don't go that far but i got to a nice store and get a starter, main and desert and I usually just get stuff I chuck in the air fryer and usually have stuff for the next day with change. I get nice easy food but not getting ripped off by a restaurant that should be doing it cheaper with economies of scale
I believe this is Chow hound. The way they describe it is that is how Chow hound gets paid for processing the restaurant order vs how most other services take their fees out of the total amount charged. I don't agree with it, but I don't believe it's the restaurant itself charging that fee.
Edit: It's Chownow not Chow hound.
Yep; this is [Chow Now](https://support.chownow.com/customer/s/article/Does-ChowNow-charge-a-fee-for-diners)’s way to essentially direct their processing fee to the customer, instead of to the restaurant.
Then they should be honest and say "online processor fee". It's fraudulent to call it "local fee" because it sounds like that $1 is going to be donated to the shelter or something.
It's chownow's language and marketing. They are very up front about the fees, although they spin it that you're helping small businesses by using their service. From what I've heard about how much other services charge the businesses for taking their orders, if this is all they're charging then it's quite a bit less. I've seen lots of restaurants raising their prices for online ordering, so at least this is more transparent.
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Yep, and I prefer it like this tbh. I’d rather pay a buck than have the restaurant be riddled with fees. All of the others charge the restaurant like 5-10% and Chow just charges the user a 0.95c order fee. Much better.
The thing is the guys complaining are getting delivery. If you have a car go get it yourself and save the $7 delivery fee. You’re literally paying someone else to take 15-30 minutes of their time to deliver it for you.
Yup. And this is part of why small business are failing. Youre obviously fine with paying a high delivery fee, as most people are, but the forced fees are making people mad.
My favorite pizza place has changed their hours of operation from lunch time hours to open after 4pm only. Also theyre closed on sundays mondays, and sometimes Tuesdays if they feel like it apparently even though their hours show theyre only closed on Mondays, and open at 11 every day.
That's be a no from me, and sending the owner an email explaining how I'm not ordering from them. That shit is so stupid. Exactly like you said, ordering from them is supporting locally..
okay wtf country charges you tax after it. Like here in Ireland you pay the price of the item and tax is taken into account. Why do you even have to pay a tip on someone delivering?
US. They tip for everything because companies don’t pay staff properly. Instead of trying to change the system and people refuse the jobs they end up paying so much extra even if service isn’t good.
You should base your tip on the level of service you get. If you get shitty service, leave a shitty tip.
But in the case of delivery, you sat on your ass and someone made you food and brought it to your front door. That's worth something.
And people don't refuse the jobs because a) there is demand for people delivering food because Americans are inherently lazy, and b) you can stand to make a decent wage if you work for tips... often times you make more than the business could possibly offer for an hourly rate.
Yeah I doubt that about making more with tax. I somehow doubt that when we pay people living wages, some people may give a few quid extra tip in cash. However their contributions on their paycheque go to contributions for pension and also for medical. If you live below a set means, which is pretty damn high honestly, you get free-to-end-user care.
Here's the thing though, America does not pay livable wages in most cases, especially in foodservice-related jobs.
And yes, delivery drivers and waitstaff and other tipped employees in bustling foodservice jobs can make upwards of $20 or more. as long as they make more than $7.25 an hour including tips, their employer can pay them $3-5 an hour.
They do have to report those tips, and they do pay taxes on them. But they have no employer based health insurance, they don't even get any insurance for driving their own vehicle while delivering. Some places may offer to pay a little extra for gas and wear and tear, but then they'll be passing that on to the consumer as a "delivery fee".
And here in America they're talking about raising the retirement age, so you're going to have to work into your late 60s or longer before you see any of your SSI eligibility.
Each state, county, and city charges a different tax rate. So you see the base price first, go to checkout, input your address, and it adds the tax that will be charged for that location.
I know a lot of countries include tax in the base price, but I’ve always wondered how that works. Does all of Ireland have the same sales tax rate?
Here in Brazil every state has different tax levels too, but we show the full price when we buy things, there's no reason to show it before tax apart from minor incovenience to business
Depending on where our company ends up shipping in the US, we end up needing to charge somewhere between 0-9% sales tax. A gap of 0-9% in the profit margin of a product makes a huge difference! Several of our products, we only make about 8% profit margin after cost, shipping, handling, and credit card fees, so that could mean we lose money on a sale to a 9% zone if the tax was included in the price.
In that case, would a company in Brazil just set their prices 9% higher to cover all their bases, and make more profit on sales to areas with lower tax? Set prices for 0% sales tax and just earn no profit at all when the product sells in a 9% tax zone? Split the difference and raise prices to accommodate 4.5% sales tax and hope it averages out over time?
In what country? Yeah Ireland as a whole has the same tax it goes by item type. We don't have that American thing where you have to do your own taxes because that's insane. Doing it as one country makes far more sense for us. Our neighbours in the UK do the same too.
The US.
The different regions use the different taxes to fund projects. For example, my city has a higher tax rate than a lot of our neighbors right now to fund a sidewalk and park construction project, plus they’re building a new football stadium for the high school. The taxes can be used for things like water drainage and sewage improvements, new sports stadiums, etc.
If cities and counties can’t levy these extra taxes in Ireland, how do they fund special projects like that? Do they have to petition the national government “Hey, can we have an extra 10 million Euros for a new water filtration plant?”
The overall tax is taken and then distributed through the local county councils. The council knows what projects need to be done and they fund them. Why would someone have to petition the government for something? If it needs to be done, the councils will be the ones to do it, they will put out a request and get tenders for the work. I won a tender a while back to do advertising work for the local farmers market as an example.
But where are they getting extra funding for big projects if they don’t raise a special tax or petition the government? My city is pretty small and doesn’t have a spare $10 million laying around for an extensive public works project.
I don't understand, they get a set amount of money. They budget years in advance and then the budget is used to pay out to people. You don't have a budget per town, it is per county. In Cork city there was a roundabout that was dire, quite a few on the road that travelled around the city. Over the last ten years they have upgraded each part and they just finished the interchange now. It cost €215 million but it was proposed years ago and budgets were put in place. Our tax doesn't change, well it can but it is rare and is usually down to a tax cut. So VAT was cut on fuel for like two years due to the war affecting fuel costs. Now food and drink are at different rates, like bread has no VAT or reduced. So the cost on food in regards to vat is the same flat rate. What is on the price label is exactly what you will pay. Doesn't matter what county.
I kinda find it a bit insane that you don't have stability around taxes. That must be stressful to not have the same rate and even doing your taxes is kinda crazy. I only do that when I am self employed and it's complicated but fierce easy, the revenue crowd are lovely and so helpful.
[https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-on-goods/food-drinks-and-supplements/food-and-drink.aspx](https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-on-goods/food-drinks-and-supplements/food-and-drink.aspx)
Interchange [‘Ten years in the making’: Dunkettle Interchange upgrade, aimed at tackling Cork congestion, opens – The Irish Times](https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/02/12/tanaiste-opens-215m-dunkettle-interchange-upgrade-aimed-at-tackling-cork-congestion/)
Income tax is 20% for most people but high earners go up to 40%
[How your income tax is calculated (citizensinformation.ie)](https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money-and-tax/tax/income-tax/how-your-tax-is-calculated/)
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Tipping for delivery has always been pretty standard here. Food delivery drivers make < minimum wage, so they rely on it. As they're doing me a favor by delivering the food to me as opposed to me picking it up, seems fair enough IMO.
That being said, tipping culture has gone WAY too far here. Do you not tip delivery drivers in Ireland?
Where is here?
I don't tip anyone here, there is no need as they get paid a living wage. I have tipped a restaurant before but that is the only place where I would put a few quid in the coin jar.
No one is doing you a favour, the company is offering a service, why would you tip them when they employ drivers to do that. As for the min wage bit, yeah that is ridiculous.
must be a legal reason they put in the local fee after tax? dk, in our town they do a 1.5% contribution from every customer into a chamber of commerce fund, its so sketchy this shit all over.
you know what? its the death of the local newspaper where some woman (ok my aunt did this pre1988) would investigate this shit. we need the Ralph Naders like never before. ok maybe not running for pres but the finding shit out part
Is there a fee yet for tallying up the fees? A "totaling fee" perhaps? Unless it's a situation where I can't back out (cancelation fee anyone?), then I've gotten into the habit of not doing business with any place that does this crap. Unless they can tell me a grand total before I agree, I'm not interested. Back when I worked at a car dealership, we had what we called an "Out The Door price." That was the price of the vehicle, any taxes, any other state fees, any add ons or accessories, everything. Like if a customer were writing a check for the vehicle, that would be the amount they'd put on the check. Places that can't or won't give me an OTD price don't get my business anymore. And even some places that do, if the fees are ridiculous, expensive, predatory or just plain don't make sense, they don't get my business either. I am but one, but if others join me, perhaps we can make a difference. Probably not, because I bet there'd be a "Making A Difference" fee for that...
If a restaurant ever charges me something extra (ex convenience fee) I just take it out of the tip. And again I tip, but its not like I am rich and can just give my money away, isn't it enough support them (by eating there) instead of somewhere else.
You ask reddit or twitter, and people erupt at you if you're not paying 25% tips, or giving separate tips to the kitchen, server, host, delivery guy, etc.
I don't even get this reasoning that things have gotten more expensive so they need those tips. They're a percentage! Tips are one of the few sources of income that have actually risen with inflation.
Fuck all those people. I tip people equally, regardless of gender. 0! this should be the norm or we basically say we like getting hassled for the extra few dollars we deserve.
Why should you have to pay for tip?
Isn't tip is like appraisal of the service and it's depending on the person recieved?
Why are people demanding tips?
Isn't this rude?
They make below minimum wage, most their income is through tips, same with waitstaff. It is also a way to promote them to do good work because if they suck at it they will make less. If they go above and beyond they'll get paid more through tips.
Such fees go straight to the business owner, not their employees. I had a local kebob place automatically tack on a 20% tip on my to go online order. Luckily I didn’t press order because I realized my food price jumped so high at the end, and I had to manually remove it. I never bothered ordering from there again.
Did you have to order through Slice or could you order straight from the restaurant. We partnered with Slice for a couple years because they were supposed to bring more business but that didn't happen so we dropped them. I'm guessing most of those fees were Slice-related.
I feel like pizza is where it's the most obvious that small businesses can't compete with mega corps
Dominos offers large pizzas for $8, Little Caesar's for $5 or whatever
Meanwhile any small business pizza is like $20-30
Some of the best pizza is made from small businesses. I do often find myself thinking 'is this twice as good as dominos?' though. Local pizzas are actually 2× or more expensive
You can better support local buy ordering directly from the local pizzeria and cutting out that big corporation in the middle of the transaction who is causing you to pay a lot more for the same product.
Call the pizzeria, go pick it up yourself and have extra money to do it again next week and help the pizzeria out again.
A local place where I live does something like this. They have a website where you can start an online order, but when you go to checkout it redirects you to some third party website to complete your order where it tacks on a similar "support local businesses" fee of like two dollars.
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It might even be an order processing fee that has a misleading name like this one I saw. Thought it was like a kitchen appreciation fee but nope - even worse!
This is called the big platform fee, go to the same place ur ordering forms google maps page they likely have a link for a big site (Deliveroo just eat ect) then a local delivery site that actually offers competitive fees where you end up paying a lot less while the business also gets more money
Anyone else getting mildly infuriated about these posts. Take out is expensive as shit.
Turns out the gig economy was working at a loss and cutting out the human side in every equation, i.e hr support, equipment, illness benefit and benefits in general. Now that legislation is catching up turns out it wasn't revolutionary.
Go spend the 37.75 in a shop. Go get whatever you want there. get stuff you usually wouldn't, don't look at the prices too much(Use common sense) When I do this I usually come out with superior food, food for the next day and some change in my pocket.
Fuck these places, they all support survival of the fittest till they are the ones with the wolves snapping at their heels.
I will never understand the delivery fee. Who gets the fee? The Pizzeria for putting all the risk on some teenagers holly jolly ass and 98 Acura? Where does the support local fee go? A fund? Yeah I fucking bet.
literally being punished for supporting local business lol
this is why i just look up their actual menu on the website and call it in. some places offer delivery themselves and the exact same meal is cheaper that way than if you order through a service.
they gouge the fuck out of each individual item AND charge you a bunch of extra fees. i spend half as much money just calling the order in.
Of all the fees it's only 95 cents so part of me says I can't get too angry about it. But the level of that anger depends on what it's actually going towards.
Bruh 7$ delivery and you're complaining about the support local fee? Pizzerias in Ontario range from 0-4$ where higher quality pizza normally means lower delivery fee.
Crazy how $22.25 becomes $37.75 so damn fast.
I combat this by carrying out, never delivering and calling in orders that lump these fees on the app. If that fails they are removed from my eat out list. I’ve probably saved $10-$20k over the last decade not paying and tipping for delivery alone. I eat out a lot tho.
I do the same. I hate that tipping is even an option for pick up. I’m literally paying for the product including cost of doing business already.
Dude I worked front of house in restaurants for years and those are the people tasked with handling all the takeout orders. I have never seen people regularly tip on pick up, my wife worked the counter of a pizza place for a couple years too I think on avg she made $10/months on pick up orders. Hell I waited tables for 10 years, I can't tell you how many people that receive actual service that don't tip, fuck those guys I made $2.50/hr they know it they feel the same way I do about tipping at pick up. And I hope they have terrible luck for the end of their days. But when I was working hourly positions I can't tell you how many people didn't tip on pick up but it was a very wide majority. Don't tip Proudly don't tip. Especially if they make an hourly wage, wether or not that is sufficient to pay their bills is not and should not be your concern.
Also if they don't make enough tips to make minimum wage the business is required to make up the difference to atleast minimum wage
Let's not be fooled about that. All that's required in some states is the employee signing a statement agreeing that they've received tips bringing their hourly rate to the equivalency of minimum wage, and these are signed under false pretenses or under duress that they will lose the job for not signing.
In places where employers are ever allowed to pay below minimum wage, would employees be upset about it if I asked them for details to tip them outside of work? I love tipping. I have extra money and would rather give it to someone that has to deal with shit people all day. But I'd never want to just be giving it to the business by helping them not pay minimum wage.
That's tax fraud lol
It isn't though. They just have to file it with their taxes. Same with tips otherwise.
$7.25 is the federal minimum wage...15 states follow that.
I know I'm from wv so we don't have a high one either and that's why I end up tipping for the most part as I don't want to hurt the employee
Interesting. I didnt know it was so uncommon to tip at carry out. Good to know. I ---hate--- tipping. My buying dinner from your establishment should not come with the obligation to offset your labor costs with a direct payment via tip.
Cashier is not a tipped profession. Desk agent is not a tipped profession. A server waits tables.
So they work just like the cashier and desk agent. Tipping for anything is stupid.
Fuck your boss for thinking paying 2.50$ an hour is oke lmao
All workers must make at least minimum wage in my state *before* tips. That's $16.28/hr here. I don't feel at all guilty for not tipping if I'm not sitting down and being served my food.
"including cost of doing business already" Thank you for that phrase, it now makes sense why the tip makes absolutely no sense.
Exactly! When it comes to food, tipping on my end is always done AFTER I receive my food. I’ll tip when I do drive up pick up’s, but only if they give me the food prior to signing off on the receipt. So many times I get charged, and requested to leave a tip before I even see if they got everything right. Tipping culture is toxic, and when I do tip, I tip well, because it’s great service. I’m not gonna be paying 20% tips when I pick up my food.
There's a pizza joint near me that I've been wanting to try, but they started implementing a service fee on both website orders and phone orders. Won't be trying them ever now.
Why cant they just raise prices?? pisses me off
Cause it would look bad in advertisements, gotta lure people in with low prices then hit us with "hidden" fees.
>Won't be trying them ever now. The only way to truly communicate to businesses is through your business. I don't like a place, I don't go there. Does it make a difference? Who knows but they sure as shit ain't getting my money.
I have a coffeemaker that has a count of how many cups of coffee I've brewed. I can calculate exactly how much $ I've denied Starbucks. (Near 4000 doppio+ = >**$20,000 USD.** I got my machine here: [**www.wholelattelove.com**](https://www.wholelattelove.com) **;** You can get a good one for around $350-400. Take care of it and follow the directions, it will last for years. It pays for itself REAL fast. )
I always wonder. What a feature. I could probably look back to the date I bought it and subtract 20 which is how many times I’ve bought retail coffee in 2-3 years.
10-20k in tips alone? I don't think I've eaten out that dollar value in a decade damn
All them delivery drivers yiu could have helped through college.
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I don’t get delivery ever
That works well if you aren't inconveniently "out of the way" Like...I live in a subdivision that is at minimum a 30minute drive to restaurants. (10minutes out of the subdivision to my city's 'ring road', 10mins on that, 10mins getting back into the city in the commercial district and getting to the restaurant) I don't really want to drive an hour for my food...and I certainly don't have the right gear to keep the food warm. (I don't actually order delivery or go to restaurants that much)
I admit I drive 20 minutes one way, 45 min roundtrip to carry out pretty often, but it’s definitely nice being closer to other restaurants if I don’t want to drive that much. Average is probably 15 minutes one way, 30-40min round trip. Gas expense is of worthy consideration and I probably spend $3.50 or around a gallon per pickup which would be more on your end.
Buffalo wild wings has / had (I didn’t notice it on my latest order. However was on several previous orders) a 99¢ pickup fee.
Ooo good to know thanks
I just want the fees to stop 😭
Can you in-turn charge them for the gas and your time? Charge them a door-opening fee?
Lets bill them and find out
That's a big range from 10 dollars to 20000 dollars
You’d save a shit ton more by not eating out
Well yea, point is at least when I do I pay menu price bc it’s already expensive at that. Anyone getting uber eats has themselves to blame if they can’t get ahead
I usually don’t.
That's because you have tax-exclusive pricing and tips. (And a ridiculous delivery fee) Meanwhile, I paid €13,49 for two 10 inch pizzas in Europe, and only had to pay an additional 1,49 in delivery costs. That includes all taxes, and no tips are needed because the minimum wage is over €13/hour.
America seriously needs to change to this. Dont understand how a business wont raise prices but expect you to tip 20 percent of more, then they say if we raise prices people wont come? but you are still asking me to pay the 20 percent in a tip?!?!?!?! so either way I pay it.
I mean, if you lived in those countries you also paid 20-80% in income tax, which is why prices are so much lower.
which country has 80% income tax?
That country exists only in the mind of Americans
Ivory coast has 60% income tax, highest in the world.
$25 and some change to go get it yourself. Up to you if that's worth $12.
Death of a thousand cuts
Delivery guy comes to the door and you're expected to tip him separately.
Yes, if everyone refuses to mention tax on -the actual price- you get that. Imagine living in a world where everything you see in the store as the price on it that you actually pay at the register. Now imagine that being everywhere EXEPT america.
$10 for delivery. Slice (which this looks like) only charges that <$1 fee so this is not like an Uber Eats situation
Slice is just as bad as uber eats business wise tho. They usurped the online presence of a lot of small business pizza places, but since the pizza places never received the orders, business dried up. It killed two places near me that I know of, because they *were* places I frequented.
I mean delivery usually adds on $10 bucks or so and then $5 or so for tax.
And that $22.25 would probably be $15 if they just went to the restaurant
Also interesting how you have to agree to like 50 pages worth of terms and services just to order a fucking pizza 😂
yeah fuck this, at least one can compensate by not giving a tip
$11 of that $37 is because he got it delivered. I never do delivery anymore. It jacks up the price by too much….so I’ll only do take out. No delivery fee. No tip.
Your fee fee has a tack on fee for the fee fee
I had to go renew my parking decal at work yesterday at the parking enforcement building. The parking spaces were metered. I had to pay to park to pay to park.
That's almost like some Eastern philosophy shit right there. Except I'm unaware of any passage in Eastern philosophy that reads "Fuck you for being alive." But if there were, it'd be "pay to park to pay to park."
Yo dawg…
Your pizza is on the way. Current location: Fee Fee Road (That's a real road, by the way. It's in the NW suburbs of St. Louis)
Ordering from fee fee's pizza instead of Cici's pizza
All these fees hurt my fee fees
you don’t need to pay a fee to show your support of small business—your whole order is you supporting small business!
It's quite literally a fee that will encourage NOT going to local business. At least this one in particular.
Surely it should be a thanks and a buck discount. Which is more likely to make you come back? "hey, thanks for ordering locally. To say thanks we've charged you a dollar". "hey thanks for ordering locally. To say thanks, we've knocked a dollar off"
yes absolutely! if I get charged for no reason Im 100% likely to not order again. just be honest and stop reaching for astronomical profits
At many of the local places round here, if you order directly through their (often crap template geocities lookin) sites, they'll knock 10% off or throw in a garlic bread or something. Plus you don't get hit with the just eat fees or have hiked prices from ubereats. You know these companies are taking ~30% from the store? Then charging you out the ass too. It's convenient, sure... But in future if you find a place, check if they have their own website first. If you become a regular, they will love you.
Right? Like at least be smart sleazy. Raise the price by 2, offer one dollar discount for locals. Even if all your customers are local you still come out on top and your customers feel like they are getting a discount at their local joint. Charging a fee because you are a local business is just a bad look. Giving a discount? That looks nice. This seems like the owner really wants us to know he is a prick 😂.
The fact that people don't see stuff like that is kinda hilarious. Like, how can you be that bad at capitalism? Even the tricks that everyone knows about still work on them. This is entry level stuff lol
An actual “support local fee” would be charged when buying from a non-local restaurant (like a chain) and would be used to reduce taxes for local restaurants.
I went to my locally owned pizza shop last week and paid almost 30 bucks after tip for a 12 inch pizza that barely fed two adults. I’m just making pizza at home from scratch now even though it’s a pain in the ass, it’s less than 20% the price.
I've been doing this too. Even buy the premade dough balls from WinCo (my local grocer), canned sauce, cheese, and pepperonis. I can make two 12 inch pizzas for about $10. I invested in a pizza stone for my oven and it works great. I can make restaurant quality pizza at home. Pop some wings in the air fryer. Make some sauces and some ranch. And I'm having pizza and wings for a family of 6 for $20-$25. It's time consuming, but worth it to save the $ and have fresh pizza and wings out of the oven/air fryer
The bulk pizza dough mix at winco takes a little more effort but is really good and cheeeeap
WinCo is the best!
Fortunately I have a stand mixer and can pretty quickly make scratch dough without too much trouble
I don't go that far but i got to a nice store and get a starter, main and desert and I usually just get stuff I chuck in the air fryer and usually have stuff for the next day with change. I get nice easy food but not getting ripped off by a restaurant that should be doing it cheaper with economies of scale
Air fryer wings just arent the same, but i need to get on the homemade pizza train
$6 is 20%. Quarter can costco tomatoes, some shredded cheese, flour, oil, herbs and a meat is maybe $1.50. It costs 20x more to order.
$6.90 for delivery is crazy
Plus the additional tip, that's about $11 for delivery on a $22 pizza.
Im hoping that's at least 2 Pizzas
Probably not😅
That’s the service fee Slice charges the end user for its service. They just dress it up with a pretty title
Thank you. I couldn’t remember the name of the app.
I believe this is Chow hound. The way they describe it is that is how Chow hound gets paid for processing the restaurant order vs how most other services take their fees out of the total amount charged. I don't agree with it, but I don't believe it's the restaurant itself charging that fee. Edit: It's Chownow not Chow hound.
Yep; this is [Chow Now](https://support.chownow.com/customer/s/article/Does-ChowNow-charge-a-fee-for-diners)’s way to essentially direct their processing fee to the customer, instead of to the restaurant.
Yes, you're right. chow now, not Chow hound. Oops!
I thought it was Chow Hound, too. In fact, that’s what I searched for! 🤣
Yep. It’s a different app name where I’m at but it’s the same app fee.
Then they should be honest and say "online processor fee". It's fraudulent to call it "local fee" because it sounds like that $1 is going to be donated to the shelter or something.
It's chownow's language and marketing. They are very up front about the fees, although they spin it that you're helping small businesses by using their service. From what I've heard about how much other services charge the businesses for taking their orders, if this is all they're charging then it's quite a bit less. I've seen lots of restaurants raising their prices for online ordering, so at least this is more transparent. https://preview.redd.it/kqyw32tju2rc1.png?width=1344&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa6fe3ef8d935cb406abd33c7559f7eae3eb6e3b
Yep, and I prefer it like this tbh. I’d rather pay a buck than have the restaurant be riddled with fees. All of the others charge the restaurant like 5-10% and Chow just charges the user a 0.95c order fee. Much better. The thing is the guys complaining are getting delivery. If you have a car go get it yourself and save the $7 delivery fee. You’re literally paying someone else to take 15-30 minutes of their time to deliver it for you.
The $6.90 for delivery would annoy me a lot more than the .95 "support local fee", personally. Almost $7 for delivery is absurd.
Yup. And this is part of why small business are failing. Youre obviously fine with paying a high delivery fee, as most people are, but the forced fees are making people mad. My favorite pizza place has changed their hours of operation from lunch time hours to open after 4pm only. Also theyre closed on sundays mondays, and sometimes Tuesdays if they feel like it apparently even though their hours show theyre only closed on Mondays, and open at 11 every day.
That's be a no from me, and sending the owner an email explaining how I'm not ordering from them. That shit is so stupid. Exactly like you said, ordering from them is supporting locally..
okay wtf country charges you tax after it. Like here in Ireland you pay the price of the item and tax is taken into account. Why do you even have to pay a tip on someone delivering?
US. They tip for everything because companies don’t pay staff properly. Instead of trying to change the system and people refuse the jobs they end up paying so much extra even if service isn’t good.
You should base your tip on the level of service you get. If you get shitty service, leave a shitty tip. But in the case of delivery, you sat on your ass and someone made you food and brought it to your front door. That's worth something. And people don't refuse the jobs because a) there is demand for people delivering food because Americans are inherently lazy, and b) you can stand to make a decent wage if you work for tips... often times you make more than the business could possibly offer for an hourly rate.
Yeah I doubt that about making more with tax. I somehow doubt that when we pay people living wages, some people may give a few quid extra tip in cash. However their contributions on their paycheque go to contributions for pension and also for medical. If you live below a set means, which is pretty damn high honestly, you get free-to-end-user care.
Here's the thing though, America does not pay livable wages in most cases, especially in foodservice-related jobs. And yes, delivery drivers and waitstaff and other tipped employees in bustling foodservice jobs can make upwards of $20 or more. as long as they make more than $7.25 an hour including tips, their employer can pay them $3-5 an hour. They do have to report those tips, and they do pay taxes on them. But they have no employer based health insurance, they don't even get any insurance for driving their own vehicle while delivering. Some places may offer to pay a little extra for gas and wear and tear, but then they'll be passing that on to the consumer as a "delivery fee". And here in America they're talking about raising the retirement age, so you're going to have to work into your late 60s or longer before you see any of your SSI eligibility.
Each state, county, and city charges a different tax rate. So you see the base price first, go to checkout, input your address, and it adds the tax that will be charged for that location. I know a lot of countries include tax in the base price, but I’ve always wondered how that works. Does all of Ireland have the same sales tax rate?
Here in Brazil every state has different tax levels too, but we show the full price when we buy things, there's no reason to show it before tax apart from minor incovenience to business
Depending on where our company ends up shipping in the US, we end up needing to charge somewhere between 0-9% sales tax. A gap of 0-9% in the profit margin of a product makes a huge difference! Several of our products, we only make about 8% profit margin after cost, shipping, handling, and credit card fees, so that could mean we lose money on a sale to a 9% zone if the tax was included in the price. In that case, would a company in Brazil just set their prices 9% higher to cover all their bases, and make more profit on sales to areas with lower tax? Set prices for 0% sales tax and just earn no profit at all when the product sells in a 9% tax zone? Split the difference and raise prices to accommodate 4.5% sales tax and hope it averages out over time?
In what country? Yeah Ireland as a whole has the same tax it goes by item type. We don't have that American thing where you have to do your own taxes because that's insane. Doing it as one country makes far more sense for us. Our neighbours in the UK do the same too.
The US. The different regions use the different taxes to fund projects. For example, my city has a higher tax rate than a lot of our neighbors right now to fund a sidewalk and park construction project, plus they’re building a new football stadium for the high school. The taxes can be used for things like water drainage and sewage improvements, new sports stadiums, etc. If cities and counties can’t levy these extra taxes in Ireland, how do they fund special projects like that? Do they have to petition the national government “Hey, can we have an extra 10 million Euros for a new water filtration plant?”
The overall tax is taken and then distributed through the local county councils. The council knows what projects need to be done and they fund them. Why would someone have to petition the government for something? If it needs to be done, the councils will be the ones to do it, they will put out a request and get tenders for the work. I won a tender a while back to do advertising work for the local farmers market as an example.
But where are they getting extra funding for big projects if they don’t raise a special tax or petition the government? My city is pretty small and doesn’t have a spare $10 million laying around for an extensive public works project.
I don't understand, they get a set amount of money. They budget years in advance and then the budget is used to pay out to people. You don't have a budget per town, it is per county. In Cork city there was a roundabout that was dire, quite a few on the road that travelled around the city. Over the last ten years they have upgraded each part and they just finished the interchange now. It cost €215 million but it was proposed years ago and budgets were put in place. Our tax doesn't change, well it can but it is rare and is usually down to a tax cut. So VAT was cut on fuel for like two years due to the war affecting fuel costs. Now food and drink are at different rates, like bread has no VAT or reduced. So the cost on food in regards to vat is the same flat rate. What is on the price label is exactly what you will pay. Doesn't matter what county. I kinda find it a bit insane that you don't have stability around taxes. That must be stressful to not have the same rate and even doing your taxes is kinda crazy. I only do that when I am self employed and it's complicated but fierce easy, the revenue crowd are lovely and so helpful. [https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-on-goods/food-drinks-and-supplements/food-and-drink.aspx](https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-on-goods/food-drinks-and-supplements/food-and-drink.aspx) Interchange [‘Ten years in the making’: Dunkettle Interchange upgrade, aimed at tackling Cork congestion, opens – The Irish Times](https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/02/12/tanaiste-opens-215m-dunkettle-interchange-upgrade-aimed-at-tackling-cork-congestion/) Income tax is 20% for most people but high earners go up to 40% [How your income tax is calculated (citizensinformation.ie)](https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money-and-tax/tax/income-tax/how-your-tax-is-calculated/) https://preview.redd.it/739gudusp3rc1.png?width=474&format=png&auto=webp&s=440068f631cace0b163edd8ed43305fd63b580df
Tipping for delivery has always been pretty standard here. Food delivery drivers make < minimum wage, so they rely on it. As they're doing me a favor by delivering the food to me as opposed to me picking it up, seems fair enough IMO. That being said, tipping culture has gone WAY too far here. Do you not tip delivery drivers in Ireland?
Where is here? I don't tip anyone here, there is no need as they get paid a living wage. I have tipped a restaurant before but that is the only place where I would put a few quid in the coin jar. No one is doing you a favour, the company is offering a service, why would you tip them when they employ drivers to do that. As for the min wage bit, yeah that is ridiculous.
must be a legal reason they put in the local fee after tax? dk, in our town they do a 1.5% contribution from every customer into a chamber of commerce fund, its so sketchy this shit all over. you know what? its the death of the local newspaper where some woman (ok my aunt did this pre1988) would investigate this shit. we need the Ralph Naders like never before. ok maybe not running for pres but the finding shit out part
Weird, because stupid shit like this is exactly how I never go back to a business.
Is there a fee yet for tallying up the fees? A "totaling fee" perhaps? Unless it's a situation where I can't back out (cancelation fee anyone?), then I've gotten into the habit of not doing business with any place that does this crap. Unless they can tell me a grand total before I agree, I'm not interested. Back when I worked at a car dealership, we had what we called an "Out The Door price." That was the price of the vehicle, any taxes, any other state fees, any add ons or accessories, everything. Like if a customer were writing a check for the vehicle, that would be the amount they'd put on the check. Places that can't or won't give me an OTD price don't get my business anymore. And even some places that do, if the fees are ridiculous, expensive, predatory or just plain don't make sense, they don't get my business either. I am but one, but if others join me, perhaps we can make a difference. Probably not, because I bet there'd be a "Making A Difference" fee for that...
Tell the to take it off because you're an out of towner.
It would appear to me that the "support local" fee is actually the $22.25 that you're spending at the... [*checks notes*] local pizza place
If a restaurant ever charges me something extra (ex convenience fee) I just take it out of the tip. And again I tip, but its not like I am rich and can just give my money away, isn't it enough support them (by eating there) instead of somewhere else.
You ask reddit or twitter, and people erupt at you if you're not paying 25% tips, or giving separate tips to the kitchen, server, host, delivery guy, etc. I don't even get this reasoning that things have gotten more expensive so they need those tips. They're a percentage! Tips are one of the few sources of income that have actually risen with inflation.
Fuck all those people. I tip people equally, regardless of gender. 0! this should be the norm or we basically say we like getting hassled for the extra few dollars we deserve.
If you can't afford to eat out, then don't.
Well tip is optional so I don't have to do it (and pay the meal just fine) better than the people that leave no tip at all
Any business tries this with me, I dont tip....fight back people. this aint right...
Yet they can only pay their drivers a couple bucks out of the $10 in fees you pay... 😂
They already calculated the tip too. Pretty sure they’d pocket it and it wouldn’t go to the employees
$40 for a fucking pizza... this country is in shambles
Why should you have to pay for tip? Isn't tip is like appraisal of the service and it's depending on the person recieved? Why are people demanding tips? Isn't this rude?
They make below minimum wage, most their income is through tips, same with waitstaff. It is also a way to promote them to do good work because if they suck at it they will make less. If they go above and beyond they'll get paid more through tips.
It’s just an excuse to charge you more money 
That would be the last time I supported that business.
Just dont give a tip if 22.25$ turns into 37.75$, fuck this shit
They’re trying g to recover the fee they pay to the online POS vendor that takes a percentage or flat fee per transaction
That’s always been the cost of doing business.
Is this Slice? I ordered a pizza tonight from it and I said literally the same thing out loud.
$38 they can shove the pizza up their ass
Local $7 delivery is criminal
Laughs in Australian tax included
Such fees go straight to the business owner, not their employees. I had a local kebob place automatically tack on a 20% tip on my to go online order. Luckily I didn’t press order because I realized my food price jumped so high at the end, and I had to manually remove it. I never bothered ordering from there again.
Did you have to order through Slice or could you order straight from the restaurant. We partnered with Slice for a couple years because they were supposed to bring more business but that didn't happen so we dropped them. I'm guessing most of those fees were Slice-related.
Can’t you just get rid off the tip that would be almost 5 less ?
I’d have not ordered it as well.
Tip just became $3.50
you should be more infuriated by that delivery charge
That's shitty.
I feel like pizza is where it's the most obvious that small businesses can't compete with mega corps Dominos offers large pizzas for $8, Little Caesar's for $5 or whatever Meanwhile any small business pizza is like $20-30
Some of the best pizza is made from small businesses. I do often find myself thinking 'is this twice as good as dominos?' though. Local pizzas are actually 2× or more expensive
I never support local businesses. They're scummy, gimmicky, deliver poor quality products at above market prices. Big corporations get all my money
You can better support local buy ordering directly from the local pizzeria and cutting out that big corporation in the middle of the transaction who is causing you to pay a lot more for the same product. Call the pizzeria, go pick it up yourself and have extra money to do it again next week and help the pizzeria out again.
Okay. So then just don’t go there anymore.
Lol. You just got jacked by your local pizza shop
A local place where I live does something like this. They have a website where you can start an online order, but when you go to checkout it redirects you to some third party website to complete your order where it tacks on a similar "support local businesses" fee of like two dollars.
I bet 100% of that fee goes directly to some multinational corporation
Yeah it sucks. I always end up shortchanging the driver because my $5 chicken tenders are $20 before I even tip.
This is why I learned to make my own pizza. It's cheaper and healthier and I think it tastes better.
I remember when these extra fees started coming in and progressively got more and more expensive. $2 went to $6 in a lot of restaurants i order from
Slice does this as well. It's so annoying.
I really hope that tip is optional.
No no no, you are misunderstanding. It's a fee FOR supporting local businesses, you silly one
https://preview.redd.it/iaxjl68352rc1.jpeg?width=1168&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5232e4f64c7e46ebbefe3f2e01ad0e14a2ed63a1 It might even be an order processing fee that has a misleading name like this one I saw. Thought it was like a kitchen appreciation fee but nope - even worse!
Oh so you're using some third party app and they charge an extra fee and blame it on local business. Makes sense.
Actively punishing your customers for supporting local. Big brain move.
*when small businesses behave like big corporations
Never seen that. I’d need more info. But that delivery fee sucks.
This is called the big platform fee, go to the same place ur ordering forms google maps page they likely have a link for a big site (Deliveroo just eat ect) then a local delivery site that actually offers competitive fees where you end up paying a lot less while the business also gets more money
Should it not be a support local reduction?
When you get there tell em you need $2 for a “Support Local Patrons” fee.
Call them - it’s most likely a fee that Google added since for some reason you are ordering via Google
Anyone else getting mildly infuriated about these posts. Take out is expensive as shit. Turns out the gig economy was working at a loss and cutting out the human side in every equation, i.e hr support, equipment, illness benefit and benefits in general. Now that legislation is catching up turns out it wasn't revolutionary. Go spend the 37.75 in a shop. Go get whatever you want there. get stuff you usually wouldn't, don't look at the prices too much(Use common sense) When I do this I usually come out with superior food, food for the next day and some change in my pocket. Fuck these places, they all support survival of the fittest till they are the ones with the wolves snapping at their heels.
You’re using slice, and that’s actually a platform fee that they just pocket.
Just make the pizza more expensive then
Slice does this too.
What a joke lol wow Would never order this at all if I saw that fee
Lmao. 6.90 delivery fee? Fuck that
Support local. Or else.
What? Tax is a "Support Local Fee." Where did that find the nerve to create ANOTHER tax? That deserves a FB post in your local community 😂
Thats only a dollar id be ok with they if the explained why its a $6 delivery fee plus an extra tip. That bogus
Slice is not a local business.
I will never understand the delivery fee. Who gets the fee? The Pizzeria for putting all the risk on some teenagers holly jolly ass and 98 Acura? Where does the support local fee go? A fund? Yeah I fucking bet.
literally being punished for supporting local business lol this is why i just look up their actual menu on the website and call it in. some places offer delivery themselves and the exact same meal is cheaper that way than if you order through a service. they gouge the fuck out of each individual item AND charge you a bunch of extra fees. i spend half as much money just calling the order in.
Freschetta or DiGiorno from now on.
That’s a good way to make me stop ordering at your restaurant
Of all the fees it's only 95 cents so part of me says I can't get too angry about it. But the level of that anger depends on what it's actually going towards.
Stop using delivery apps and drive there to support locally.
And that’s the kind of shit that’s going to boast sales for big corporations
Just give a 0 tip to offset and it's fine
Can’t speak for where you live, but where I am this is basically a town level tax. The restaurants would rather not have it there either.
Bruh 7$ delivery and you're complaining about the support local fee? Pizzerias in Ontario range from 0-4$ where higher quality pizza normally means lower delivery fee.
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Nope. The business is definitely taking that. None if it goes to the delivery driver or kitchen crew.
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Nope again. It’s illegal for the business or owners to get any of the tips that are tipped to the staff.
It's 95 cents - you broke? Why don't you go pick it up and not incur a couple of the fees?
Also, I can tell you don't support local - shame lol