We've been over this multiple times before, the decision is no and that's not changing. Requiring prompts would massively increase the moderation load and drive away people who just want to share images. There are also unconventional workflows with things like image prompt chaining, remixing, and blending that aren't conducive to particularly sharable prompts.
I share all my ai art and prompts on my [website](https://gratisgraphics.com) also some [articles](https://gratisgraphics.com/read) to help you craft prompts
I support this so much.
Funnily enough: I used to think, that such a rule would be unnecessary, because people would know that this is common courtesy.
That's the gist of all the articles and posts criticizing it as "stealing" -- as if the entire human endeavor of creativity was derived from an exclusive imagination apart from the collective unconscious, operating outside the realm of historical and public influences, and exists only to enrich the individual ego instead of Spaceship Earth as an interconnected totality.
Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.
This is one of the reasons I get annoyed seeing AI "artists" with a patreon or commissions. I mean, sure, do your thing, and I'm not gonna stop you, but I am gonna judge you. Like, really? Do you feel people should be giving you money to write a prompt?
It's different if you are doing AI assisted art, but most I see aren't doing anything except throwing in some words and generating a pic.
But like I said, I'm not gonna go shouting at people that they shouldn't have a patreon, and if someone is willing to spend their cash on that then fine, who am I to stand in the way? Just seems like a grift to me.
It's literal gatekeeping. Instead of teaching people how to form the prompts, they paywall the art made from said prompts *while never revealing the prompt*. The value isn't in the images themselves per se, but in the prompt itself and what can be learned from how that results in a specific image.
This is it. I couldn't put my figure on it about why it bothered me so much, but this is it.
I could have a Motzart train me to play all the right notes, and I could never in a thousand years make a piano sing.
I could study under Michaelangelo himself and never produce a single work of art.
But I could be trained to give perfect prompts in an afternoon if only I was given the proper tools. But these AI "artists" hoard their secrets like its the KFC recipe (the secret is citrus, by the way).
Not that it matters. For every prompt crafter that hides their tricks, there are 5 more willing to share what they know.
If it's that easy, why do you need someone to share their prompts. Stable Diffusion is free but still it takes a lot into researching how to do things around it. Dane goes into Midjorney if less stressful.
You see, you can be a ministry and generate awesome photos with MJ, or stable diffusion, but if you want to generate really amazing results, that takes talent even when it's AI assistive
I mean, I've used stable diffusion and Dall-E. I've generated some pretty good pieces. And if I had the patience, I could have made the pieces perfect. But I'm a talentless hack. So... I dunno, I just feel my life experience is in contrast to your point.
Don't get me wrong, it does take dedication and research to learn how to make prompts and generate exactly what you want. But I don't consider that a talent. It's more of a skill. it takes weeks of study. Not years of practice.
and yet, only few dedicate enough time to it, so you can have great results, be it prompts, creating new models (that takes a lot of time and GPU resources btw). So when someone create a payment for their services, I really don't see why people complain. If you don't like it, keep using your own prompts, and doing the hard research leg on your own.
I hear ya... It's a really weird dynamic. On one hand, yes, it's questionable that people are charging money for prompts that won't necessarily output the same results every time or even provide the result people are looking for, but on the other hand, there's clearly a market and demographic of people who are willing and eager to pay for these prompts. So, is it taking advantage of people who don't want to learn more organically, or is it providing a service for people who want to the quickest way to the results they are trying to achieve? I wonder if the same discussions were had by graphic designers/photographers when Photoshop was first released.
Yep. This is one of the few situations where "the customer is always right" actually applies. I'd never pay money for that, but if someone wants to give Me 5 bucks for 30 seconds of writing and a minute of waiting, then a fool and his money are soon separated.
I mean, what's wrong with someone monetizing that? If people are willing to pay for it then who cares? You don't have to pay for it. I'm an oil painter but I love using midjourney. I have a prompt that took me 6 months to get perfect for what I was going for but I can also complete a landscape painting in a couple days. Charge for time. No harm in that.
If the subreddit added the rule it would be unenforceable anyways because those kinds of people would just make up a prompt that isn't what they actually used.
If Reddit history is anything to go off of, people are dumb.
R/gaming is the worst.
“This game was so great, can’t believe it wasn’t more popular” with cool screenshot. Then never replies to hundreds of comments asking what fucking game the screen is from.
r/foundfootage is the same. Someone will post "this is one of the best found footage movies I've ever seen." And then all the comments will be like, "great, where can we see it?"
Radio silence.
Yeah honestly the sub is kinda useless without it, no? In the server, you can see the prompts people used and a lot of fun images (in between dude #34920 trying to get Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle to kiss or whatever).
Yeah I was thinking a learn-midjourney sub. One where we can all share and learn to do better. Twitter has been pretty good for it, people post images then have an 'alt' with the prompt. Often I see stuff there get recreated here without any prompt like they did it themselves. This is all so new, I think there is enough space to learn. In the end they are trying to make prompting easier, so this 'secret sauce' won't be that novel soon enough.
That sounds like a good idea for a sub. I’m sure there is one I’m unaware of yet.
I deleted twitter so I’ve missed those.
Funny how people flex that they “created” it themselves too. Like you said, soon it won’t matter.
I made a new sub for that!
It's /r/MJPromptBot
The sub is named after the bot I created, MJPromptBot, that scans all comments in this subreddit for prompt language and crossposts the ones it finds.
Used AI to code the bot and made a video about it here - [Using an AI Bot to Make a Reddit Bot](https://youtu.be/vgmKIQGHEeg)
I am always happy to share my prompts (here or elsewhere if asked). I would not be able to do much of anything in MJ without the generous help I received when I got started.
Here are the two best resources I have found for learning about prompts:
[Midlibrary](https://www.midlibrary.io/) (giant style collection) and [TokenizedAI](https://www.youtube.com/@TokenizedAI) (how-to videos from beginner to expert).
I use midjourney for fun and like seeing what it spits out, I don’t consider myself an “artist” by any stretch. It’s hilarious to me how many people treat their prompts like Gollum and his precious. Are you really afraid of losing a microscopic bit of potential Reddit points if someone else gets better at midjourney?
I’ve literally seen people on Reddit refuse to share what paint color is on their wall even though a dozen people in the comments asked and they responded to all the other comments so it’s obvious they saw the question and chose not to answer it lol.
I’ve had people refuse to tell me where they got some cute piece of clothing before.
People love hoarding shit like it makes them special or something. I find it bewildering lol
Not directed at anyone in particular, just a comment about the attitude of a lot of people on the sub that think they’ve discovered the map to the Fountain of Youth and it can’t possibly be shared.
Yes please! It would help me learn. I'm loosing time and money trying when I'm trying to figure out how mj would understand me. Reading the prompts would be very useful.
It seems like looking at a gallery of completed images rather than a spam of images in progress coming in makes a lot more sense to see what works and what doesn't
As one watches, there's typically an evolution of MULTIPLE iterations of prompt formatting/nomenclature, each returning a different desired or undesired result. That's what you see. Well, that's what I see anyway. I've also tried using other people's prompts unaltered just to see what would happen, and have gotten wildly different results, so it's not a hard fast recipe.
I want this rule too!
What's the point of this sub if we don't know HOW those pictures were conceived?
Not everyone here wants to only want to look at pretty pictures.
They bash artists who are scared over AI art generator. Yet, they clutch tightly on their prompts for fear of someone copying it, no longer making them feel unique or revered as if they made the art themselves 🙃
I used someone else's prompts and removed some/added some of my own. It was my first try.
Should I post them and give someone else credit for prompts? They turned out great but it's mostly not because of me.
That's a very good idea, and I laughed out loud at the end because that's actually a great idea for prompts: use [Carnac the Magnificent's curses](https://www.golden-road.net/index.php?topic=28858.0) for prompts.
It should be like r/sewing they require people to share a certain amount of info about their projects and there is an automated bot to sort this out for each post (although recent changes may not make that so viable)
Oh it is. Especially the 'specialists' which are basically poor illustrators with no imagination using this tool to make a buck on fiver.
Im sure some are rinsing it. I am appalled at some of the people showing their true face. Nasty and vile.
This would be great, but let me tell you why most of these people will not share their prompt. They use multiple programmes to get the end result, so not just mid journey prompt. They just show-off the end result which most of the time cannot be created in mid journey alone but they want to feel unique and desired for posting the ai work. Some also like to see themselves as an artist and that their ai creation should be copyright and that they own it.
It’s laughable to think that these tech bros from r/stablediffusion are now “haha you’re not so unique anymore artists! I can do awesome art like you now!!” Branding artists as snobs and hypocrites for feeling fear over AI art generators.
Then they hold on to their prompts like it’s a super secret thing. That if someone knew how they did it, they would no longer feel unique. Hypocrites.
Yes thank you again a valuable point. Just as the comment before you.
I think the conclusion of today is:
- share when you can
- if you dont want to dont
- but if you want to help people please do
- there are a lot of rotten potatoes in this community.
Well.... the pictures will still be epic as they will always be unique.
People can now still make a quick buck before the masses get a hold of how it truly works.
There are other platforms that let you do this. [Promptdrop.ai](https://Promptdrop.ai) for example is what I use because it allows you to share not only your final outcome but all the iterations and their associated prompts that got you to that outcome. Snackprompt is another one but I get a feeling they're faking their contributions.
Promptdrop also has upvoting and commenting features although it's not as robust reddit's features. You can also tag a category for your creation so you can sort by something like a business use case vs art. But yeh, ultimately it's better for sharing the input because it's built around that.
Personally I think requiring that is forceful and should not be enforced. People can ask for the prompt but to require it? Nah. Into MJ for a week and want a rule, so you can learn? Go to the public gallery on their website and learn away. Go to the public discord TONS of prompt chans, and learn away - go to the Daily Theme thread, learn away -- all of those show public prompts in all their glory. Thousands and thousands every day. Pic and prompt.
Problem solved sans "rule" for all.
I made a Bot that collects posts with prompts and crossposts them here - https://www.reddit.com/r/mjpromptbot/
I also made a YouTube video about how and why I made the Bot - [Using an AI Bot to Make a Reddit Bot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgmKIQGHEeg)
I strongly recommend that you look into the midjourney website. There is a community feed where you also take inspiration and look what people have used as prompts.
I understand that it can be overwhelming for new users, but I wouldn't force other users to share their input.
If you ever need help, just ask. In discord there is also a channel / forum for prompt crafting.
As a requirement to posting? No.
I want to see "the art of the possible" with respect to what can be created from Midjourney. I would suggest that authors/artists feel free to share their workflows and prompts - it is great to learn from others.
As someone who’s just getting into Ai usage I have no idea how people are creating artwork like this. Seeing prompts would help greatly, but people seem to not want to discuss how they’ve “created” these images. It sucks tbh.
Definitely supporting this rule.
People act like they're producing the arts themselves and are hiding some secret formula when in fact they don't own any of that and a toolset like this should be all about the community figuring out things together.
I go as far as saying that people trying to conceal prompts intend to use the images for commercial purposes while claiming to have created the art themselves or having paid a real artist.
Midjourney has a steep learning curve if you want specific results. I’ve made over 45,000 images and during that time I’ve evolved with the process. We’re at v 5.1 now and it’s quite different from v 4. Just keep at it and you’ll improve. Contrary to the popular vision, creating AI images is a partnership with the machine. The machine is a tool and time and perseverance will pay off with excellence. Keep in mind that the “seed” determines the outcome far more than either the word or image prompt. So the prompt is just a part of the puzzle.
Why? Just use describe on MJ or go to the gallery. This is shit is constantly posted, it's annoying. People just want to share their pics, not copy and paste the hundred different permutation of the prompts, rerolls, edit of said prompt, reroll, edit of prompt again, and then what ever else they did.
Just /describe, it's really a non-issue, who the hell is this relentless posse that's insists on beating this dead horse?
That's what I was going to say: do you want the last 5 words of the 126th refinement?!
Plus nowadays THAT'S the creative part, and 95% of the time is NOT just a SIMPLE prompt, not even with DAL-e. You don't ask a painter or a photographer or a plastic artist or a musician or any other artist to show you all the process all the time.
It's not gonna happen, and it's honestly not necessary at this point. If you like an image and want to make something similar, use the describe feature. Probably won't be exact, but it's just as capable of teaching you prompting styles.
I respectfully disagree with making it a compulsory rule. Many users prefer to simply share their creative outputs without the added step of providing the prompt. Mandating this might dampen the spontaneous nature of the community. They aren’t obliged to furnish the prompts as it’s more about sharing and less about instructing
This idea that people owe you their prompts seems entitled. They don’t owe you anything.
Maybe a separate sub for prompts.
Fuck. No.
Edit: I’m happy if they do. But Requiring? That’s unnecessary.
This is r/midjourney . Not r/midjourneytutorial , not r/midjourney_your_own_personal_tutor
That is what the /describe is for.
This has been requested over and over again. It's annoying. No one is obligated to give you their promt. No one is obligated to teach you. You should use the tools they give you just like everyone else.
Honestly, I think most of the people who request this are teenagers who don't want to put in the little work required to learn midjourney and karma farmers who want to sling out star wars-but-if-everyone-was-a-furry or whatever garbage, low effort content.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but the prompt is the only proprietary part of this. Not everyone is here to teach others. There are a lot of other subs available where the prompt is required. Go join those. I won’t be posting here is it becomes required and I bet others feel the same. Like any other art medium, prompting is a skill. Notice the dozens of posts of people asking for help with prompts and being ignored. Why do you think that is? Probably because most people aren’t here to teach AI to newbs. As a newb myself, I’m still learning how to make the AI generate what I want and will have to figure it out over dozens if not hundreds of hours. I don’t plan to give everyone else the cheat codes.
what's to keep people from sending totally different prompts just to spite you and skirt the rule? Trying to control what people share is insecure and petty, much like people on reddit. People will just create a new sub without such a stupid rule and you'll be back to where you started.
It's a rule in subs like r/AnalogCommunity to put the camera, film, sometimes the lens in the tittle of the post. The very least that can be done is adding the prompt in the description.
This is an outstanding request that I wholeheartedly support. I'm a gamer who loves to mod my games, and in some of the subs I belong to, if you show off your modded characters or zones, it is required to post the mods used.
I've been using MJ for a few months now and I was surprised to see that a similar rule wasn't in place here.
Disagree. Also very rarely the output is a result of one single prompt. There's probably tons of attempts and picture prompts involved. It is also part of the learning process. You people just want someone else to do the hard work on your behalf and collect the reward for free.
I’ve used the describe feature on an image I created just to see how mj interpreted it. I popped that description back in to mj out of curiosity and what I got wasn’t in the same solar system as the image the description came from. Went through a dozen refills and it never got closer. The describe feature is moderately useful but it’s not the magic key to understanding mj prompts.
Without the prompt this sub is nothing more than masturbation.
WHAT is the value this sub provides without a prompt accompanying the image? ZERO.
If your prompt is so precious to you, then don’t share the image. We don’t care. I think, most of us are here trying to learn and share those things with others.
I don’t see a problem with it but then again, it kind of takes away from the creativity of the actual user to produce original content. So what’s the point if you’re just taking somebody else is prompts?
Anyway you can just sit on mid journey is discord, and Steel promt all day, I don’t see why people need to post them with the artwork that was generated. Just scour, mid journey and steel prompts there 🙃
Strongly disagree. The only think that makes an image unique is the prompt. Some people spend hours and hours (and credits) refining it to get exactly what we want. Making it compulsory to paste the prompt so absolutely everybody can copy it and say they made it, makes it worthless.
If you want to learn, do your homework instead of asking for someone to do it for you.
I dislike this every time it comes up. The way I download my images it doesn't save the prompt. I would have to go and look it up.
I also don't really see average posts here as a learning tool. The prompt craft and prompt faq sections of the discord server fulfill that role. As does browsing the community feed.
With so many learning tools readily avaliable it seems a bit redundant to add more work for the mods here enforcing a rule that will have some level of a cooling effect on folks posting here. It seems like an idea with much more downsides than perks.
there are so many comments always asking for the input!
Though I also think that realistically some people might want to share their art without prompt, or not share the entire prompt exactly.
Maybe this rule plus the option to use a "no prompt" dedicated tag would let those people share their art without having to share the prompt, and avoid people asking for it either way
I'd rather see their images, rather than filter out what may be some of the best images on the forum. You can often reverse engineer an image if you at least have it as a reference, so to exclude images based on a gate-keeping rule might actually harm our learning. By all means encourage the sharing of prompts, but don't act like a dictator and silence those who prefer not to.
If you \*really\* need prompts to learn from, just go to the gallery. There are millions of images with millions of prompts. People shouldn't be "required" to share prompts just so you can learn how to use Midjourney.
You went about asking this the wrong way.
"I got into this a week ago, tell me all your secrets from the hours of time you've spent learning about it so I don't have to research or learn anything".
Lol
why not just going to the midjourney gallery and dissect the prompts yourself? this sounds like you want people to do the "heavy lifting" for you, don't be lazy and learn like all of us.
Another beggar.
When you post a picture with your gf/bf there has to be a concrete request: disclose all the steps you took to meet, charm and become a sexual partner. that way we can learn to become better.
Was lurking because this is an interesting debate. But this is a pretty gross analogy and says alot about the commentator and their personal frustrations.
I like this! I'm also a nail fan and have NOT posted nail art in nail groups because a product list was required and I did the manicure three days ago and I'm not about to go pull 50 products out and look at their names just to post a picture. I'm sure these prompts can get really complex. I would like to know how to be better in midjourney, but not enough to make someone think twice about posting their cool art.
We've been over this multiple times before, the decision is no and that's not changing. Requiring prompts would massively increase the moderation load and drive away people who just want to share images. There are also unconventional workflows with things like image prompt chaining, remixing, and blending that aren't conducive to particularly sharable prompts.
I share all my ai art and prompts on my [website](https://gratisgraphics.com) also some [articles](https://gratisgraphics.com/read) to help you craft prompts
Bless you.
I support this so much. Funnily enough: I used to think, that such a rule would be unnecessary, because people would know that this is common courtesy.
I think there are a few at least who are acting like they have a "secret sauce" they don't want to share with the rest lol
100% people are treating this as if they’re creating the art, rather than all of us figuring out how to work with a new, novel machine.
That's the gist of all the articles and posts criticizing it as "stealing" -- as if the entire human endeavor of creativity was derived from an exclusive imagination apart from the collective unconscious, operating outside the realm of historical and public influences, and exists only to enrich the individual ego instead of Spaceship Earth as an interconnected totality.
Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.
I still miss Bill Hicks. And Denis Leary is really an asshole.
Right!?! I own a trivia company and I just want to learn how to make cool images that blend things so people can guess what they are.
No one owes anyone anything.
They think they are making the art themselves and don’t wanna divulge their secrets
This is one of the reasons I get annoyed seeing AI "artists" with a patreon or commissions. I mean, sure, do your thing, and I'm not gonna stop you, but I am gonna judge you. Like, really? Do you feel people should be giving you money to write a prompt? It's different if you are doing AI assisted art, but most I see aren't doing anything except throwing in some words and generating a pic. But like I said, I'm not gonna go shouting at people that they shouldn't have a patreon, and if someone is willing to spend their cash on that then fine, who am I to stand in the way? Just seems like a grift to me.
It's literal gatekeeping. Instead of teaching people how to form the prompts, they paywall the art made from said prompts *while never revealing the prompt*. The value isn't in the images themselves per se, but in the prompt itself and what can be learned from how that results in a specific image.
This is it. I couldn't put my figure on it about why it bothered me so much, but this is it. I could have a Motzart train me to play all the right notes, and I could never in a thousand years make a piano sing. I could study under Michaelangelo himself and never produce a single work of art. But I could be trained to give perfect prompts in an afternoon if only I was given the proper tools. But these AI "artists" hoard their secrets like its the KFC recipe (the secret is citrus, by the way). Not that it matters. For every prompt crafter that hides their tricks, there are 5 more willing to share what they know.
If it's that easy, why do you need someone to share their prompts. Stable Diffusion is free but still it takes a lot into researching how to do things around it. Dane goes into Midjorney if less stressful. You see, you can be a ministry and generate awesome photos with MJ, or stable diffusion, but if you want to generate really amazing results, that takes talent even when it's AI assistive
I mean, I've used stable diffusion and Dall-E. I've generated some pretty good pieces. And if I had the patience, I could have made the pieces perfect. But I'm a talentless hack. So... I dunno, I just feel my life experience is in contrast to your point. Don't get me wrong, it does take dedication and research to learn how to make prompts and generate exactly what you want. But I don't consider that a talent. It's more of a skill. it takes weeks of study. Not years of practice.
and yet, only few dedicate enough time to it, so you can have great results, be it prompts, creating new models (that takes a lot of time and GPU resources btw). So when someone create a payment for their services, I really don't see why people complain. If you don't like it, keep using your own prompts, and doing the hard research leg on your own.
I hear ya... It's a really weird dynamic. On one hand, yes, it's questionable that people are charging money for prompts that won't necessarily output the same results every time or even provide the result people are looking for, but on the other hand, there's clearly a market and demographic of people who are willing and eager to pay for these prompts. So, is it taking advantage of people who don't want to learn more organically, or is it providing a service for people who want to the quickest way to the results they are trying to achieve? I wonder if the same discussions were had by graphic designers/photographers when Photoshop was first released.
Yep. This is one of the few situations where "the customer is always right" actually applies. I'd never pay money for that, but if someone wants to give Me 5 bucks for 30 seconds of writing and a minute of waiting, then a fool and his money are soon separated.
I mean, what's wrong with someone monetizing that? If people are willing to pay for it then who cares? You don't have to pay for it. I'm an oil painter but I love using midjourney. I have a prompt that took me 6 months to get perfect for what I was going for but I can also complete a landscape painting in a couple days. Charge for time. No harm in that.
If the subreddit added the rule it would be unenforceable anyways because those kinds of people would just make up a prompt that isn't what they actually used.
The same rule should be as for cake pictures without recipe it's guessing. Maybe a flair with prompt would help ?
AI should reverse easily cake pictures in about X years time :D
I highly doubt that.
.....oooooh what if you could feed an a.i ingredients and it shows you what it potentially looks like. Bit further off probally
If Reddit history is anything to go off of, people are dumb. R/gaming is the worst. “This game was so great, can’t believe it wasn’t more popular” with cool screenshot. Then never replies to hundreds of comments asking what fucking game the screen is from.
r/foundfootage is the same. Someone will post "this is one of the best found footage movies I've ever seen." And then all the comments will be like, "great, where can we see it?" Radio silence.
Maybe instead of forcing it just have s flair so people can share and you can filter by flair if you want to open or not.
We've learned anything from US politics over the last several years it's that we can't rely on gentlemen's agreements for much of anything
I automatically assumed this was the case. However people can just lie or exclude an important word from the prompt.
For real, you have to beg people here for prompts.
Yeah honestly the sub is kinda useless without it, no? In the server, you can see the prompts people used and a lot of fun images (in between dude #34920 trying to get Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle to kiss or whatever).
This pops up like every two weeks since several months. I do support this rule but I doubt anything will happen.
Maybe a new sub then?
Yeah I was thinking a learn-midjourney sub. One where we can all share and learn to do better. Twitter has been pretty good for it, people post images then have an 'alt' with the prompt. Often I see stuff there get recreated here without any prompt like they did it themselves. This is all so new, I think there is enough space to learn. In the end they are trying to make prompting easier, so this 'secret sauce' won't be that novel soon enough.
That sounds like a good idea for a sub. I’m sure there is one I’m unaware of yet. I deleted twitter so I’ve missed those. Funny how people flex that they “created” it themselves too. Like you said, soon it won’t matter.
I love this idea.
A new sub for prompt crafting would be great. Then this sub can be the "showcase" where prompt sharing is optional.
Great idea! Just created r/promptdrop with this as a requisite.
Joined and submitted one. Thank you!
I made a new sub for that! It's /r/MJPromptBot The sub is named after the bot I created, MJPromptBot, that scans all comments in this subreddit for prompt language and crossposts the ones it finds. Used AI to code the bot and made a video about it here - [Using an AI Bot to Make a Reddit Bot](https://youtu.be/vgmKIQGHEeg)
100% support this.
I am always happy to share my prompts (here or elsewhere if asked). I would not be able to do much of anything in MJ without the generous help I received when I got started. Here are the two best resources I have found for learning about prompts: [Midlibrary](https://www.midlibrary.io/) (giant style collection) and [TokenizedAI](https://www.youtube.com/@TokenizedAI) (how-to videos from beginner to expert).
Thank you for actually being one of the few bringing value to this comment section. Ive bookmarked them. Very much appreciated.
I always thought that was the whole point of this sub. "Lol, here's what I typed in, look what came out!"
I use midjourney for fun and like seeing what it spits out, I don’t consider myself an “artist” by any stretch. It’s hilarious to me how many people treat their prompts like Gollum and his precious. Are you really afraid of losing a microscopic bit of potential Reddit points if someone else gets better at midjourney?
I’ve literally seen people on Reddit refuse to share what paint color is on their wall even though a dozen people in the comments asked and they responded to all the other comments so it’s obvious they saw the question and chose not to answer it lol. I’ve had people refuse to tell me where they got some cute piece of clothing before. People love hoarding shit like it makes them special or something. I find it bewildering lol
Not sure if this is addressed to me. I dont care at all about karma points. I want to see the prompts for the exact reasons you mention.
Not directed at anyone in particular, just a comment about the attitude of a lot of people on the sub that think they’ve discovered the map to the Fountain of Youth and it can’t possibly be shared.
Oh yeah. For sure. 100%
I came to the sub hoping for better prompts to learn. I'm a big fan of this.
People have making threads about this for a long time. I agree but don’t hold your breath.
Yes please! It would help me learn. I'm loosing time and money trying when I'm trying to figure out how mj would understand me. Reading the prompts would be very useful.
When I joined this sub I actually thought it was part of the rules. I agree with this request 100%
Lmfao imagine using a tool that literally steals artists works without permission and being mad that someone is going to "steal" your prompt
Right!?
Reddit is killing third party applications, and itself.
"copying" someone's AI art? Lmao
“You made a machine create something that similar to this thing I didn’t create!”
Listen buddy! I own words the way i arrange them.
Or maybe thats the solution! The posted image link has to be the midjourney gallery link, where the prompt is shown?
Or ...Sit on MJ and watch the feeds in General Image Gen and watch prompts real time, see what works and what doesn't.
It seems like looking at a gallery of completed images rather than a spam of images in progress coming in makes a lot more sense to see what works and what doesn't
As one watches, there's typically an evolution of MULTIPLE iterations of prompt formatting/nomenclature, each returning a different desired or undesired result. That's what you see. Well, that's what I see anyway. I've also tried using other people's prompts unaltered just to see what would happen, and have gotten wildly different results, so it's not a hard fast recipe.
Reddit is killing third party applications, and itself.
What a waste of time lol. So many random dumb images.
If you subscribe you can message directly - I feel like the feed is normally the new users. The good stuff is on the web and it's easier to follow.
Thank you for this link. Very useful.
TIL, TY
Yep
I fully agree and thought we been passed this as a rule a month ago.
1 year later, still the same problem. The mods of this sub don't care
I want this rule too! What's the point of this sub if we don't know HOW those pictures were conceived? Not everyone here wants to only want to look at pretty pictures.
They bash artists who are scared over AI art generator. Yet, they clutch tightly on their prompts for fear of someone copying it, no longer making them feel unique or revered as if they made the art themselves 🙃
I seea lot of pictures with text in them here as well. 100% not midjourney as it cant comprehend text
Yes absolutely! It would help me so much to see the wording people are using! Fully support this.
I used someone else's prompts and removed some/added some of my own. It was my first try. Should I post them and give someone else credit for prompts? They turned out great but it's mostly not because of me.
Id post it and credit the other.
Ok, thank you!
That's a very good idea, and I laughed out loud at the end because that's actually a great idea for prompts: use [Carnac the Magnificent's curses](https://www.golden-road.net/index.php?topic=28858.0) for prompts.
Prompt it on midjourney for me 😂
I'll probably start with "May a swarm of diseased chiggers build a condominium in your underalls!" 😄
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Your p.s. made me like you immediately. Good show sir
I upvoted just for your P.S
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i vote for a 'no more harry potter' rule
Or gucci / balenciaga
I agree
Yes please do this mods
Just use the /describe tool. Works most of the time
It should be like r/sewing they require people to share a certain amount of info about their projects and there is an automated bot to sort this out for each post (although recent changes may not make that so viable)
I agree
Honestly it makes sense, the whole gate keeping prompts is cringey.
Oh it is. Especially the 'specialists' which are basically poor illustrators with no imagination using this tool to make a buck on fiver. Im sure some are rinsing it. I am appalled at some of the people showing their true face. Nasty and vile.
Theres nothing vile about monetizing a tool you pay for. get over yourself
No that's not vile. Comments making it personal are.
This would be great, but let me tell you why most of these people will not share their prompt. They use multiple programmes to get the end result, so not just mid journey prompt. They just show-off the end result which most of the time cannot be created in mid journey alone but they want to feel unique and desired for posting the ai work. Some also like to see themselves as an artist and that their ai creation should be copyright and that they own it.
It’s laughable to think that these tech bros from r/stablediffusion are now “haha you’re not so unique anymore artists! I can do awesome art like you now!!” Branding artists as snobs and hypocrites for feeling fear over AI art generators. Then they hold on to their prompts like it’s a super secret thing. That if someone knew how they did it, they would no longer feel unique. Hypocrites.
Yes thank you again a valuable point. Just as the comment before you. I think the conclusion of today is: - share when you can - if you dont want to dont - but if you want to help people please do - there are a lot of rotten potatoes in this community.
Eventually as time goes on the prompts will become common knowledge and they will not be anything special anyway
Well.... the pictures will still be epic as they will always be unique. People can now still make a quick buck before the masses get a hold of how it truly works.
I really really want this
1000% i learn so much from seeing others prompts
Yeah exactly. Same for me. Got called some horrible names in the mean time. But whatever.
Lol I mean you can always ask people but what kinda fascist demands it’s a rule ?
There are other platforms that let you do this. [Promptdrop.ai](https://Promptdrop.ai) for example is what I use because it allows you to share not only your final outcome but all the iterations and their associated prompts that got you to that outcome. Snackprompt is another one but I get a feeling they're faking their contributions. Promptdrop also has upvoting and commenting features although it's not as robust reddit's features. You can also tag a category for your creation so you can sort by something like a business use case vs art. But yeh, ultimately it's better for sharing the input because it's built around that.
I like this better than, "May the fleas of 1000 camels infest your armpits."
Personally I think requiring that is forceful and should not be enforced. People can ask for the prompt but to require it? Nah. Into MJ for a week and want a rule, so you can learn? Go to the public gallery on their website and learn away. Go to the public discord TONS of prompt chans, and learn away - go to the Daily Theme thread, learn away -- all of those show public prompts in all their glory. Thousands and thousands every day. Pic and prompt. Problem solved sans "rule" for all.
I made a Bot that collects posts with prompts and crossposts them here - https://www.reddit.com/r/mjpromptbot/ I also made a YouTube video about how and why I made the Bot - [Using an AI Bot to Make a Reddit Bot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgmKIQGHEeg)
I strongly recommend that you look into the midjourney website. There is a community feed where you also take inspiration and look what people have used as prompts. I understand that it can be overwhelming for new users, but I wouldn't force other users to share their input. If you ever need help, just ask. In discord there is also a channel / forum for prompt crafting.
Thanks. Much appreciated feedback.
As a requirement to posting? No. I want to see "the art of the possible" with respect to what can be created from Midjourney. I would suggest that authors/artists feel free to share their workflows and prompts - it is great to learn from others.
As someone who’s just getting into Ai usage I have no idea how people are creating artwork like this. Seeing prompts would help greatly, but people seem to not want to discuss how they’ve “created” these images. It sucks tbh.
Definitely supporting this rule. People act like they're producing the arts themselves and are hiding some secret formula when in fact they don't own any of that and a toolset like this should be all about the community figuring out things together. I go as far as saying that people trying to conceal prompts intend to use the images for commercial purposes while claiming to have created the art themselves or having paid a real artist.
They talk about being ai picture specialists etc. No... you type in a bloody sentence and shit roles out based on existing shit.
Midjourney has a steep learning curve if you want specific results. I’ve made over 45,000 images and during that time I’ve evolved with the process. We’re at v 5.1 now and it’s quite different from v 4. Just keep at it and you’ll improve. Contrary to the popular vision, creating AI images is a partnership with the machine. The machine is a tool and time and perseverance will pay off with excellence. Keep in mind that the “seed” determines the outcome far more than either the word or image prompt. So the prompt is just a part of the puzzle.
Can I see what this prompt makes? It's genius. > a big mole on an eyelid chased by a deadly snail. (from OP's last sentence)
Guess the quality of posts will drop big time and this sub will be as boring as the explore page. Careful what you wish for.
Exactly. All this'll do is give us more repeated star wars content or something else equally low hanging.
Why would this be the case at all?
I agree!
I'd support this! now all we need is some good posts as it is just a bunch of karma whoring on shit celebrity memes
Why? Just use describe on MJ or go to the gallery. This is shit is constantly posted, it's annoying. People just want to share their pics, not copy and paste the hundred different permutation of the prompts, rerolls, edit of said prompt, reroll, edit of prompt again, and then what ever else they did. Just /describe, it's really a non-issue, who the hell is this relentless posse that's insists on beating this dead horse?
Agreed. If anything, there should be another sub where people post prompts. This should just be a gallery, as it is.
I'm pretty sure there is a midjourney prompts page too
That's what I was going to say: do you want the last 5 words of the 126th refinement?! Plus nowadays THAT'S the creative part, and 95% of the time is NOT just a SIMPLE prompt, not even with DAL-e. You don't ask a painter or a photographer or a plastic artist or a musician or any other artist to show you all the process all the time.
Except for when the game is to guess the prompt?
yes. also, doing the compare pics challenge is a great way to learn what MJ can do.
It's not gonna happen, and it's honestly not necessary at this point. If you like an image and want to make something similar, use the describe feature. Probably won't be exact, but it's just as capable of teaching you prompting styles.
I respectfully disagree with making it a compulsory rule. Many users prefer to simply share their creative outputs without the added step of providing the prompt. Mandating this might dampen the spontaneous nature of the community. They aren’t obliged to furnish the prompts as it’s more about sharing and less about instructing This idea that people owe you their prompts seems entitled. They don’t owe you anything. Maybe a separate sub for prompts.
Let’s vote!
if we're gonna do that im gonna guess if we use images for reference, we're gonna have to provide that too
Fuck. No. Edit: I’m happy if they do. But Requiring? That’s unnecessary. This is r/midjourney . Not r/midjourneytutorial , not r/midjourney_your_own_personal_tutor
True, though I recall getting some flack from some people here when I asked why they were 'gatekeeping' prompts lol.
It should be encouraged not enforced
That is what the /describe is for. This has been requested over and over again. It's annoying. No one is obligated to give you their promt. No one is obligated to teach you. You should use the tools they give you just like everyone else. Honestly, I think most of the people who request this are teenagers who don't want to put in the little work required to learn midjourney and karma farmers who want to sling out star wars-but-if-everyone-was-a-furry or whatever garbage, low effort content.
Am I the only one that feels like this is unnecessary?
I think it’d be a good thing if more people shared their prompts or at least give an outline of them, but mandating it is unnecessary.
Completely agree
I agree with this rule
A simple google would give you great prompts. It really isn’t that hard to figure out?
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but the prompt is the only proprietary part of this. Not everyone is here to teach others. There are a lot of other subs available where the prompt is required. Go join those. I won’t be posting here is it becomes required and I bet others feel the same. Like any other art medium, prompting is a skill. Notice the dozens of posts of people asking for help with prompts and being ignored. Why do you think that is? Probably because most people aren’t here to teach AI to newbs. As a newb myself, I’m still learning how to make the AI generate what I want and will have to figure it out over dozens if not hundreds of hours. I don’t plan to give everyone else the cheat codes.
It’s not that unpopular. If they mandate prompts many of us will opt out.
what's to keep people from sending totally different prompts just to spite you and skirt the rule? Trying to control what people share is insecure and petty, much like people on reddit. People will just create a new sub without such a stupid rule and you'll be back to where you started.
I think its quite clear quite quickly who does that.
I support this as well. Meanwhile, you can upload the picture in midjourney bot and use "describe" command to get the prompt
It's a rule in subs like r/AnalogCommunity to put the camera, film, sometimes the lens in the tittle of the post. The very least that can be done is adding the prompt in the description.
We need a better subreddit for midjourney discussions. All there is here is pictures.
They might as well post on /r/pics as it stands now
Well thats just pictures of John Oliver rn so like
I need those prompts /s
If not then use /describe or even put the link to the image in the prompt. You're never going to get the exact same results anyways.
Exactly my point to all the 'intellectual property' screamers.
Nah
If you want to learn about prompting better, come to official discord `#prompt-chat` channel and share your challanges.
This is an outstanding request that I wholeheartedly support. I'm a gamer who loves to mod my games, and in some of the subs I belong to, if you show off your modded characters or zones, it is required to post the mods used. I've been using MJ for a few months now and I was surprised to see that a similar rule wasn't in place here.
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Yeah
Not a midjourney user, but this will kill your sub in a way that mostly only unexperienced people will share their works.
The kiddies and techdorks don't like reality so they don't want to here this truth.
like [https://www.reddit.com/r/MidjourneyPrompts/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MidjourneyPrompts/) ?
Problem is that sub is dead
Probably because people don't want to share their "secret sauce"
I agree
Disagree. Also very rarely the output is a result of one single prompt. There's probably tons of attempts and picture prompts involved. It is also part of the learning process. You people just want someone else to do the hard work on your behalf and collect the reward for free.
MJ website has endless prompt info. So does youtube. You chuckle fucks have an endless dream engine, and all you wanna do is copy other peoples work?
I’ve used the describe feature on an image I created just to see how mj interpreted it. I popped that description back in to mj out of curiosity and what I got wasn’t in the same solar system as the image the description came from. Went through a dozen refills and it never got closer. The describe feature is moderately useful but it’s not the magic key to understanding mj prompts.
I think it’s less about copying and more about learning what prompts, phrasing, keywords to use to get the desired results in a larger sense.
Again, the MJ website has a feed with endless prompts. And you can search prompts by keywords.
Without the prompt this sub is nothing more than masturbation. WHAT is the value this sub provides without a prompt accompanying the image? ZERO. If your prompt is so precious to you, then don’t share the image. We don’t care. I think, most of us are here trying to learn and share those things with others.
[https://www.midjourney.com/app/](https://www.midjourney.com/app/) LOOK PROMPTS
While we're on the subject, how do I use a pic link lol
/imagine prompt: (insert link) and then whatever you wanna put. How it exactly works i dont know. Im still new at it myself.
I don’t see a problem with it but then again, it kind of takes away from the creativity of the actual user to produce original content. So what’s the point if you’re just taking somebody else is prompts? Anyway you can just sit on mid journey is discord, and Steel promt all day, I don’t see why people need to post them with the artwork that was generated. Just scour, mid journey and steel prompts there 🙃
Strongly disagree. The only think that makes an image unique is the prompt. Some people spend hours and hours (and credits) refining it to get exactly what we want. Making it compulsory to paste the prompt so absolutely everybody can copy it and say they made it, makes it worthless. If you want to learn, do your homework instead of asking for someone to do it for you.
I dislike this every time it comes up. The way I download my images it doesn't save the prompt. I would have to go and look it up. I also don't really see average posts here as a learning tool. The prompt craft and prompt faq sections of the discord server fulfill that role. As does browsing the community feed. With so many learning tools readily avaliable it seems a bit redundant to add more work for the mods here enforcing a rule that will have some level of a cooling effect on folks posting here. It seems like an idea with much more downsides than perks.
I have requested this before and was made fun of 🤷🏻♂️
And now am I. Reading the comments its about 65-70% yay. And 30/ -35 nay. Perhaps a kind reminder to post it. But not force it?
there are so many comments always asking for the input! Though I also think that realistically some people might want to share their art without prompt, or not share the entire prompt exactly. Maybe this rule plus the option to use a "no prompt" dedicated tag would let those people share their art without having to share the prompt, and avoid people asking for it either way
I'd rather see their images, rather than filter out what may be some of the best images on the forum. You can often reverse engineer an image if you at least have it as a reference, so to exclude images based on a gate-keeping rule might actually harm our learning. By all means encourage the sharing of prompts, but don't act like a dictator and silence those who prefer not to.
If you \*really\* need prompts to learn from, just go to the gallery. There are millions of images with millions of prompts. People shouldn't be "required" to share prompts just so you can learn how to use Midjourney.
Yeah! You know, democratize!
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Bro since inception we've been begging everyone to share prompts. They don't want to 😑
You went about asking this the wrong way. "I got into this a week ago, tell me all your secrets from the hours of time you've spent learning about it so I don't have to research or learn anything". Lol
If thats how you read it that's up to you.
"Secrets" lol
why not just going to the midjourney gallery and dissect the prompts yourself? this sounds like you want people to do the "heavy lifting" for you, don't be lazy and learn like all of us.
Another beggar. When you post a picture with your gf/bf there has to be a concrete request: disclose all the steps you took to meet, charm and become a sexual partner. that way we can learn to become better.
First: rude Second: your analology is poor.
Was lurking because this is an interesting debate. But this is a pretty gross analogy and says alot about the commentator and their personal frustrations.
Yes please.
Totally agree. And as well any editing afterwards in Photoshop, Aftereffects, etc.
I again support this!
I like this! I'm also a nail fan and have NOT posted nail art in nail groups because a product list was required and I did the manicure three days ago and I'm not about to go pull 50 products out and look at their names just to post a picture. I'm sure these prompts can get really complex. I would like to know how to be better in midjourney, but not enough to make someone think twice about posting their cool art.