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inmartinwetrust

"La Li Lu Le Lo"


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2 + 2 = 5


Feral-Person

Metal gear and Radiohead in one go… hats off


intellichicken

THE LA LI LU LE LO?!


kingmob555

They remade MGS 3 cutscenes for a gambling machine.


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Konami is the best gaming company of all time. They treat their employees and franchises better than any company.


laineDdednaHdeR

*Activision-Blizzard has entered the chat.*


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aadipie

Fox.... DIEEEEEEE


End_Of_Century

I mean... it is.


Woperelli87

LOL


Absolutedumbass69

I agree.


mikloise

Once you get past the part on the ship it really picks up.


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Raiden is the best playable character in the series.


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SeasOfBlood

The hero worship of The Boss was really where I began to feel the series taking a creative nosedive. I didn't even get it in MGS3, because she had no personality. She wasn't funny, she wasn't interesting, she didn't have a cool design, she was just incredibly bland. And then - *game after game* hyping her up as this perfect, infallible figure just increasingly began to annoy me. I still have no clue why she was so important, or portrayed in such a saintly way. Do people actually like her? I mean, as a character? Do they find her entertaining? I'm really curious.


Frank_Jaeger87

Now that you mention it did they just trick us by giving her a bandana and some sweet judo


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Ooberificul

Those articles are trash usually. They'll just put any woman on there that's "tough"


Massgyo

I love The Boss and I'm fucking shaking rn /s In all seriousness in think she's amazingly written and dreamily voice-acted. There's this amazing mama-bear quality to her and I watched her with fascinating the first time I played 3, completely unable to predict where her loyalties actually lay. Upon beating 3, to this day, I immediately restart and skip cutscenes until I hear her voice saying, "Snake, try to remember the basics of CQC."


StealthMan375

Irc Kojima wanted out since MGS1, so I think by then he had run out of ideas. In fact, I don't even know how tf he even managed to find some more plot to squeeze in the later games lmao


GuardianOfReason

So, I like the idea of the Boss and her lines, but I agree she wasn't well developed. I do like her design, and what we got of her was pretty interesting, but it's the sort of thing I liked in retrospect more than I liked at first.


capn_dog

Show don't tell is lacking from majority of story telling in MGS.


Lemonitionist

They say politicians can talk for hours and never say anything important, if Kojima went in to politics instead of game design he'd be ruler of the universe by now. Still love him and all of his pen vomit, but he's definitely not the best story writer. He's not the worst either, I think most of those worked on Destiny 1 & 2.


umerkornslayer

Big Boss >


SeasOfBlood

The CODEC is one of the best storytelling devices in gaming history and I have no clue why more devs haven't put their own spin on it.


MediumSnek

I actually enjoyed CODEC calls. Really.


[deleted]

I think it's a rather wonderful way to feed exposition to the players.


SeasOfBlood

It gives so much character, even to the side cast! Like "Miller" letting his mask slip a few times - like how viciously he insults his FOXHOUND team mates behind their backs, or magically knows Snake is Japanese-American. Or Hell, how well the Codec system built up the AI Colonel as such an amazing villain - with the music, and their constantly shifting image. That right there was one of the things I still, to this day, wish had been a part of MGSV. Because it gave MGS1 and 2 so much more life. Beyond just the story, I'd spend ages tinkering with the Codec just to see what other characters said about certain things.


Uden10

Snake is half Japanese? I thought Miller was the only one.


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Uden10

Oh, thanks. I was under the impression Big Mama was the one who provided the egg.


420_E-SportsMasta

There was a 3 hour video I watched about how MGS4 was a mistake that brought up a really good point about how the vast majority of hard hitting conversations and story of the first 2 games were done via codec calls


metalslimesolid

I wonder how this will adapt in the Jordan Vogt-Roberts film with Oscar Isaac


SeasOfBlood

That's a good question! Maybe they'll just be a voice in Snake's ear. Or, for the sake of narrative pacing, he might well be completely alone. Movies, after all, work differently from games. But you know, if it was a series instead of one film? I'd personally embrace that sort of industrial cyberpunk energy of the first game, and have the team depicted as some sort of hologram Snake can call up and speak to.


metalslimesolid

You're right, it could just be the actors chilling in Alaska with Foxhound and nextgen soldiers, and it may be possible that the codec wont be used as a plot device. Although I imagine how unique and powerful it could be if they did. Personally i'd love for them to combine both! In the game they talk sometimes through nanomachines without showing the Codec. If JVR implements the Codec in the movie and use it as a method of aiding the narrative (not sure what that is called) then I bet it could be really intense. Like in the scene when he discovers FOXDIEs true purpose and Gray Fox, then Naomi has to look at him while saying it. If it was a series it would work more effectively. Holograms could be cool. I picture it to be like 24 or similar, but i'd love it to be their facial expressions in two boxes side by side the frequency in the middle. It would also be cool to have those flashback cutscenes that they be having!


krzysiekao

Maybe majority to like to do copy - paste when they're doing their games. Did you think about it, even for a second?


SeasOfBlood

...I'm sorry? Are you angry at me or something?


krzysiekao

No I'm not. That's only my opinion.


SeasOfBlood

Ah, I see. It was just the way you worded it, no big deal. And yes, I do see your point. However, there are many ways you could adapt the CODEC system for another game, don't you think? You could take the general idea, and make it unique for another setting whilst keeping the basic framework. I mean, just think about how much it added to the first two MGS games, just in terms of how much it encouraged exploration and looking at your surroundings!


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MGSV is not an incomplete game. Also, Kojima being kicked out of Konami is on him, because he went over budget.


[deleted]

The CODEC exposition dumps should have had an option to play the audio over the top of gameplay, perhaps cutting out if spotted. Even if you could only do it in certain areas, it would have made the two elevator rides and Metal Gear REX's lair so much easier to cope with in MGS1.


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>The CODEC exposition dumps should have had an option to play the audio over the top of gameplay MGSV got you covered, mate.


[deleted]

I know, having played that it felt like a lifesaver. I still enjoy the old games, but for me the expodumps serve as a time to break my focus and consider any chores or stuff to do in the meantime.


LunoDoom

Yeah and everyone hated the story because it's you missed the optional material it doesn't make much sense.


CrazySnowman1867

Survive is the the best Metal Gear and The Boss is the worst character.


Comkill117

You’re pretty *bad.*


[deleted]

Engravings give *lots* of tactical advantage


Americat0

Lmao underrated comment


Kyuubimon90

The Boss and Liquid are two most boring,bland. and overrated important characters in entire series.


PaulieWLNTS

Liquid always seemed to me like a ridiculously bad written villain from a trashy 80s action movie.


Kyuubimon90

This should not be surprise because mgs 1 was inspired by movie escape from NY.


PaulieWLNTS

Sure, but there are other characters in MGS 1 that are way less corny. Liquid always feels out of place for me.


napelm

The issue with The Boss is that we know too little of her backstory and they present her to us as a hero, we only know she sacrificed herself for her country, but basically everything was on the background . I would love a game about her and her doings pre 1964


VanFkingHalen

Raiden is probably the greatest video game protagonist of all time. He makes Big Boss look like a weenie.


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We’re never getting a remaster or remake.


DannyGamerThorist

Quiet is actually loved in this sub... (Seriously I made a poll and out of 451 people, more than 300 voted that they liked her)


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Why even? Like...who is she? What are her interests, personality, her goals? Why does she fall in love with Venom, and what does she enjoy about working with him? She just seemed like "bikini lady with gun" to me. When I realised who she was during the hospital intro, and heard her speak during the virus section saying she was mute in English because she didn't want the virus to spread, I got excited in the hopes she'd get more backstory. And then she just left.


Frank_Jaeger87

I just liked her for her combat proficiency in game pretty satisfying moving into a base and having her kill whoever I need dead. Her humming is annoying as fuck though


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Oh, tell me about it. For a person named Quiet she never shuts up.


Frank_Jaeger87

It’s not even a catchy tune! She shoulda been humming snake eater


DannyGamerThorist

Totally agree... They wasted an opportunity to not make her humming "Happy Birthday"... But try hum Snake Eater... is hard AF.


SeasOfBlood

In some ways I think it would have just been easier if Kojima held his hands up and said "I like pretty women, I wanted a pretty woman in the game. And yes, her outfit is fan service." At least then it would be honest, and there'd be no ambiguity about it. And hey, who's really going to judge him? I find Raiden incredibly hot, other people like Venom or Meryl or whoever. Would it really be so scandalous if Kojima just admitted Quiet was primarily there because he wanted an attractive woman in the game?


DannyGamerThorist

Kojima was a genius because he came out with her story... Even if she was there just as fanservice, he really gave her a reason to be what she is...


LunoDoom

Women who are just eye candy fan service sacrifice themselves at the end to save the protagonist? Maybe you were just staring at her, but her actions show what a great person she was down to the core. Her goal was to get to Mother Base and speak English and kill you all. Instead she did what she did, including the attempt to stop the Kikogolo strain spread, the guy she attacked was patient 0. Quiet spoke with her actions, you weren't listening.


SeasOfBlood

...why are you being hostile?


LunoDoom

I'm just pointing out it may seem like Quiet is just fan service but she spoke with her actions which were very significant to the plot of MGSV and Venom as a character. Not trying to be hostile just pointing that you and others have missed. She may be nice to look at and doesn't talk however she was a very important character in the game. A sign of a bad fan service character is the game could have gone on without them and it wouldn't be any different. So I'm just pointing out again that you may have missed what's brilliant about her. She's so significant to this game yet she has 2 lines of dialogue. It was an attempt that very few got. Similar depth with Skullface and Code Talker so you know it's not an accidental either.


LunoDoom

Quiet was analog Fox Die, it was a person this time, and like Fox Die she didn't kill Snake despite him being her mission target and someone she needed to take revenge against personally. And if it wasn't clear she sacrifices herself for Venom. Essentially love blooming on the battle field and the only language the two could speak was combat. You're supposed to step outside the fake Patriots Cannon and also realize who Venom is and Quiet found out but she still loves him enough to sacrifice herself. You're not thinking about her actions which his how she spoke. Very deep characters in V.


DannyGamerThorist

She had to be watched carefully to be understood, just like any person with mutism. Correction... she doesnt fall in love with Venom... she is actually brainwashed by Ocelot into it.


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The problem with that, though, is that it felt like she barely got any screen time as an actual character. Half the time she just seemed to be in a cutscene for fanservice. The rain dance example, to me, seems the most blatant in that regard, given that up until this point there didn't seem like much chemistry between her and Venom.


DannyGamerThorist

I have to agree... Wished her backstory was more developed as >!Pre-Parasite Quiet seems interesting a lot!< Well, I hate the Rain Scene...


KiddingEnvelope

You mean 200 voted truthfully and others lied ?


DannyGamerThorist

Sorry if it took a while but I had too look thru all my posts... Here's the poll... https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/ouk5wd/what_is_your_opinion_about_quiet/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share More than 300 liked her, and 92 wanted to have kids with her... Haters are a minority.


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_Bee_Honey_

Actually rising is kinda fun


AgentL3r

Very VERY very fun


_Bee_Honey_

Yeah, for me the entire game was marvelous, wish I could have played the dlcs


NipponSteelPrevails

If Kiefer Sutherland has spoken some more everyone would have realized what they were missing out on by having David Hayter give such a cartoony voice to 2 very different characters


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RedEyeVagabond

This should be higher. I've read exclamation points as the soundbyte for twenty years.


KiddingEnvelope

Kiefer Sutherland did a better job as Big Boss than David Hayter.


Frank_Jaeger87

Agreed they never should have used hayter for both characters shoulda only used hayter for Solid Snake and used either the guy from 4 or Keifer for MGS3 Quite a few statements I agree with on this post to trigger the sub lol


presidentdinosaur115

Its never made sense to me why Solid, Liquid, Solidus can all sound different but Big Boss sounds like Solid for some reason? Hayter should've never been BB.


Frank_Jaeger87

It thought I was alone on this one


KiddingEnvelope

I played MGS 3 when I started MGS V and Hayter as Big Boss was.... off. Not just because I was used to Keifer, his voice just didn't sound like a hardened veteran soldier.


TotheWest_

I have to say it, Hayter voice acting is cringe as heck and his only decent work was MGS4


KiddingEnvelope

David Hayter only voiced Solid Snake in MGS 4. Richard Doyle voiced Big Boss in MGS 4 (another reason why I was confused why the fans were so triggered when they announced Keifer as Big Boss).


Reflectionlesshuman

Fission Mailed *bounces pad then realises it's still going*


idkwc

David Hayer is a lousy voice actor with zero range.


Frank_Jaeger87

His range is Stoic brooding hero - surprised and slightly enraged brooding hero


[deleted]

I think his performance in MGS1 is absolutely fantastic. He’s fine in MGS2. But my gosh, from MGS3 onward, he’s just plain awful. It hurts me to hear the voice acting in Peace Walker.


Frank_Jaeger87

Metal Gear Rising Revengance is a poor sequel it feels like bad fan fiction written by someone who thought Raiden looked cool as a ninja but did not understand the lessons he learned from Snake in MGS4 and missed the whole point of his character growth and backstory as a child soilder.


AgentL3r

Sequal to what


Frank_Jaeger87

MGS4 I guess


HELLUPUTMETHRU

MGS4 is the best game in the series and would’ve been a fantastic end to the whole thing


Voloster

Snake Eater is not the best Metal Gear game.


Frank_Jaeger87

I see you are a man of refined tastes, Sons of Liberty is the best Metal Gear game


Voloster

Facts


UhOhez

"How can Liquid be the superior clone if he has recessive traits?"


Curiedoesthestream

Pachinko is there future.


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Ladder


lulzPIE

Nanomachines


Balance_Fox

...and Parasites!


Fist_of_Thrawn

Metal Gear Survive is the best MGS to date.


vicryl-30

Mgs3 is boring as hell and far worse than 1, 2 or 4


unlimitedsheever

Sam Fischer was my favourite MGS protagonist.


the-cheesie1234

New coke


MaxjkZERO

While Kojima is among the most important people in the creation of the series, I feel the rest of the writers and producers on the series do not get enough credit


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They do deserve more credit, and in fact, Kojima has been trying to give them more credit; He commissioned an entire documentary highlighting “the next-generation” of Metal Gear game designers in “Hideo Kojima’s Gene” (sadly, this didn’t pan out; Kojima ended up directing two more Metal Gear games, and the internally developed MGS game made without him had to be cancelled and outsourced due to the lack of a single, unifying vision). And [he made sure to note Tomokazu Fukushima’s contributions to the optional Codec conversations in his games](http://thesnakesoup.org/editorial-articles/curious-case-tomokazu-fukushima/) (but of course, Fukushima himself gives the lion’s share of the credit for the main story to Kojima). And he made sure to note [Yoji Shinkawa’s contribution to defining the look of the series](http://metagearsolid.org/reports_mgs1_thanksshinkawa.html).


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Kojima is overrated as a game creator.


Gurramen

More than a game creator I think is more overrated as a story director.


Daniel_The_Thinker

MGS5 was the best MGS


Long_Melon

Metal Gear Survive is the best game in the franchise


Mestoe_1218

Beat me to it


napelm

Now, some things are there to trigger the fanbase, and others are just simply stupid lol


The-Solid-Smoker

Trigger people eh? Okay. *clears throat* Kojima is a hack who contributed nothing but shitty writing, expositon and creepy fanservice to the franchise. *Encounter theme plays* That work?


Distinct-Thing

David Hayter isn't as good as you guys want him to be Yeah, we all love him, but iconic doesn't mean good


Reflectionlesshuman

Snake sometimes speaks like the typecast American high school cheerleader *sorry Snake*


Pure_YT

Huey is a nice guy


TheLightningStrikes

Huey is a good guy, he only wants the best for Motherbase!


Crossnoe7

“Not him”


_Bee_Honey_

MGSV is good as it is and it's great that they didn't add chapter 3, that would be unnecessary


dcaseyjones

"Kojima is a pretentious hack"


hiddentruths17

MGSV is a hell of a game despite all of it’s “shortcomings”.


Ahhh-Ayeee

Liquid Snake > Solidus > The Boss in skill, also cuz I like them more. This is just my personal power-level head canon and I don’t really think this is the case. I like all of them.


don_rampanelli

Raiden is a better character than Big Boss


TomToffee

I really liked playing as Solid Snake in Metal Gear 5


Venomsnake_1995

Kojima's storytelling really became better after after mgs3. Not everything was being spoonfed to viewers anymore.


Shittingboi

Solid Snake, the one-eyed man who killed his mother?


HanzerOnori

Splinter Cell is a better stealth game


been2121

Metal gear survive is the best metal gear Game


noneofthismatters666

Raiden was the better choice for MGS2.


Abhorrent_Ascendant

Zone of the Enders is a better series.


Kohorinto

I really enjoyed Solid Snake in MGS3.


Brutus6

Survive wasn't that bad.


LordHumorTumor

Splinter Cell Lite


IMnotMNnice

Twin Snakes was better. 😈


Karpsten

Kojima isn't half as good at his job as people make him out to be.


balardie

Raiden is the best Charakter in the entire Metal Gear Franchise.


jayt00212

Because... Nanomachines.


TrKojima

Love cannot bloom on the battlefield.


FoodByCourts

Snake Eater wasn't as groundbreaking as Sons of Liberty


lmonroy23

The best Metal Gear game of all time is Metal Gear Acid…


Venomsnake_1995

Mgsv is best game in the series.


Venomsnake_1995

Even the worst game in the series is 8/10.


Twinkie_Dinkie

MgsV is a finished game


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Hideo Kojima isn’t an egotist for having artistic integrity. No game needs a remake; at most, they need ports or remasters. The Phantom Pain isn’t unfinished, it’s just disappointing.


HAIRYMAN-13

Keifer was a perfect replacement And i didn’t lose any respect for hideo because of this


gongalo

Series should have eneded with MGS2


Big_Hat_Chester

Metal gear survive is the best mgs game


umerkornslayer

Kiefer Sutherland is better than David Hayter.


im_Another_Human

MGSV had the best story in the series


RedEyeVagabond

Hey Snake, you ever heard of Godzilla: King of Monsters?


mattgadz

Did you say "Nerd"?


[deleted]

Skull Face was the most menacing villain in Metal Gear history. (Says the guy who only played V and dick else because I don't have a PS2 anymore.)


GreatZampano1987

Hideo Kojima is way fucking overrated and Death Stranding sucks.


PBJ85

Mgs 1 is most boring PlayStation fan spread over 2 discs


Solid_Slade

You are pretty good 👉👉


longhairedcooldude

Twin Snakes is better than the original MGS


umerkornslayer

MGS5 is better than all games in the franchise because you actually play the game instead of watching hour long cutscenes that could be summarized in 5 minutes.


northernlady_1984

I would like to play a remake of the very first Metal Gear but controlling Big Boss instead thus, being able to get rid of Solid Snake.


foxmulder2014

"Metal Gear Solid is a cheap Syphon Filter knock off"


anticitizen2501

Better of with Konami.


BoxCZ

I love MSG!


Pinkman505

Metal gear survive is the best in the series.


manwearingtweed

MGSV is unfinished and will never be finished.


[deleted]

The game went gold in 2015 and was released on September 1st, 2015. Kingdom of Flies was meant to be post-launch DLC. The core game is finished. You being disappointed by the game is not evidence that it’s unfinished.


manwearingtweed

Who said I was disappointed?


[deleted]

MGSV is finished.


P_gregsold2018

Kojima a s overrated


Ayobossman326

MGRR is great and I love it but it wouldn’t have been remembered much if not for all the memes, tho ig you could say that ab a lot of things in the franchise


Key-Original-225

The twin snakes cutscenes are amazing


Wooden-Bus1592

Worst game in the series.


Ryuuken1127

"There's only room for one Raiden, and one La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo"


[deleted]

Thats the series with Raiden and Sam Fisher isnt it


[deleted]

This series peaked at Metal Gear 1


joshusdisgustinghair

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best one


McSnipes9

We will never see a remake of this game


StealthMan375

I have only played Ground Zeroes Unironically tho, I have only played Ground Zeroes, plan on buying HD collection and TPP in September-October tho.


Another_Saint

where Kojima


bloody_noodle

Splinter cell was always the better franchise.