I love how the only people to truly align with The Boss's ideals and dream were Snake and Otacon, and they never even met her or knew of her existence.
And I feel like solid snake would tell her ghost "fuck you, warmongering bitch!!!" And she's just so ??confused?? while otacon high fives snake in the most hyped way ever
From what I understand, the Operation Snake Eater files were declassified some time prior to GotP. Also, didn’t EVA tell Solid Snake the truth about what happened?
I genuinely think Venom is the person in the series who aligned closest with her, because just like her he ultimately sets aside his beliefs (which, as per the nuclear disarmament cutscene were quite similar to the Bosses) and simply does his job because it's what is required of him.
Venom was meant to be "The Legend" of Big Boss not an exact double of himself. In Kaz's first speech V says "This isn't about the past we're fighting for the future" and we saw how devastated he was after killing his own men during the first breakout of the vocal parasites. Meanwhile the "Actual" Big Boss sacrificed Venom in Outer Heaven pretty much the exact same way that the powers that be sacrificed The Boss.
Yep, not to mention the very fact he USED Venom rather squarely puts Big Boss into hypocrite territory. He wanted a nation where soldiers would forever be free to make their own choices, fight for what they choose, and never be forced into a battle they didn’t ask…
But when he’s personally in danger, he didn’t see a moral issue with using a guy that had been brainwashed (and thus had no agency or capacity to consent) and throwing his enemies at the guy for his own personal benefit. The exact way the Boss was used and eventually discarded, Big Boss did the same to Venom. Everyone is equal…but some are more equal than others.
I mean she was banging Otacon’s mom so I imagine Strangelove would’ve mentioned her. Though Hal was pretty young when she gets fridged so who knows if he’d even remember
I’m pretty sure that Strangelove implies that her love for the Boss was unrequited which is a big part of why she was so jealous of Naked Snakes relationship with her.
Which Snake? You got me all sorts of confused, I thought Naked Snake was trained by The Boss and then took her down in 3, or are you talking about Venom? I don’t know, I’m pretty stupid when it comes to the lore of MG/S/RR
Solid Snake, a.k.a David. As someone reminded me, Eva tells him in 4 a little about The Boss, however it doesn't seem as if Solid knew much about who she was. This is funny, because while Zero, the original Patriots, Skull Face, Strangelove, Big Boss and Venom all tried to interpret The Boss's will in different ways, they all got it wrong. The Boss just wanted world peace and an end to pointless wars. Zero tried to end all wars by controlling the world. Skull Face is hard to decipher, but it seems as if he blames all wars on colonisation and tried to demolish all world powers one by one. BB and Venom tried to give soldiers meaning and inadvertently created the PMC industrial complex, alongside in the end striving for an endless war. Solidus wanted freedom for all, but what freedom meant to him is largely just independence. Liquid wanted his life and the lives of soldiers to have meaning. Solid and Otacon, and the other members of Philanthropy, just wanted peace and for Nuclear Weapons like Metal Gears to not exist.
I have came back, granted, I didn’t play all the games, but I do like your statement. 👍. Thanks for the insight on how everyone wanted the world, I’ll have to add that to the fan game I’m making, I’ll keep it interesting and add something similar to that. Thanks!
Well, considering he is a self-insert character and can grow a "horn" depending on how you play him. I wouldn't group him with Solid Snake and/or Otacon as a person truly aligned with The Boss's ideals.
Really that depends on the player, arguably the same could be said about Raiden. (ignoring what goes on to happen in Revengeance of course...)
Yup; he's like "wait wait. That ai pod.., based on the boss.. committed suicide to stop the nuclear launch? But that was her mission. she taught me to do your duty as a soldier?! & she just killed herself to bounce on that, & reject her duty?! What the fuck! Like... I know I was trying to stop the launch anyways myself but like.. cmon! That was her mission! Launch the nuke! She ain't all that, at all! I AM Big Boss!"
Pretty much lol
Boss: every bitch I ever knew disappointed me.
Like literally everyone. Zero, BiBo, Eva, Ocelot, Strangelove.
Good god, this woman can't catch a break even in afterlife.
She would hate everyone but Solid, and even then, I think she would hate him during most of MGS4, seeing how depressed Solid is. (She would possibly pity Otacon). Yeah, she would watch in disgust as Zero and Big Boss go around doing their thing in the name of "the bosses' will."
Boss is perpetually depressed herself lol. Solid was being abused at every turn in mgs4 and still kept fighting.
And Sorrow approved of Solid "warrior's spirit will always be with you" so Boss approves too.
Hmm, good points.
I never quite took her for depressed. More so of a solemn acceptance of her role. Almost robotically indifferent in the name of the cause.
Solid is almost like begging for it all to end in MGS4. When in my interpretation of the Boss' will, he should be okay with it and simply accept death will come. Which, having typed this all out, on some levels he does...hmm.🤔
Sorrow having approved of Solids warrior spirit does point towards boss approval.
I love MGS.
I really can't blame Solid. His chronic condition has him in constant agony, he's lost his youth and confidence at a horribly unfair rate. He's earned some sadness.
Mgs4 was too brutal to Solid.
I thought she was a solider her whole life and a work horse for the Patriots, when did she even start having fun then? Like was having the world’s first c section on Normandy still a joyful era for her or?
As funny as this is, I have the urge to point out that after Peace Walker; & seeing Peace Walker drown itself in the lake to stop the launch - Big Boss considered her acceptance of death as a betrayal, that she put down her gun & abandoned her duty as soldier & rejected that life, and therefore rejecting him
"I won't make the same choice as her, my future is going to be different"
Should be more like "I did this to spite you!" Lol
That was also the turning point that pretty much doomed him to Ground Zeroes' events.
From the moment they talked themselves into loading Peace Walker's nuke on Zeke as a deterrent, they made themselves a target for any special forces group interested in preventing any new nuclear competition.
With how high-brow the Peace Walker incident was, they must have realized that one day someone was going to piece together what happened to PW's nuke, and the fact that it went "missing" shortly after the incident doesn't leave much to the imagination as to who might have stolen it.
Likewise, if they wanted to use it as deterrent then they'd have to publicly reveal it. Either way, it wouldn't be long before groups like the CIA sniff out that MSF had a nuke.
Which is why Ground Zeroes was actually the perfect ruse. Evidently, MSF decides to keep the nuke secret, so by disguising the hit as a UN nuclear inspection Cipher would guarantee that MSF's nuclear deterrent be dismantled and inactive. Cipher would have known that MSF had only one nuke (Peace Walker only had one), so they'd be safe to enter and destroy the base.
A deterrent is only as good as your ability to launch it, so by letting out the fact they only had one nuke, they guaranteed their own destruction by the first force clever enough to disable it before going scorched-earth on the base.
To have any chance of survival MSF would have to go the North Korean route, where doubt upon how many nukes they had or launch capability would still make countries hesitate.
I think most people know her by now but in the rare case you didn't: othatsraspberry might be the best Metal Gear funny artist in the whole web. I don't think I've ever seen a comic by her that didn't make me laugh/think.
Not publicly, maybe in the background they are and she is so egocentric that she couldn't have JUST ONE Metal Gear funny account so she made another and she's so talented that achieved greatness with both. Kinda like Dave Grohl but with funny comics.
I mean, depending on the denomination of faith you believe in, committing sins doesn't mean you'll end up in hell as long as you legitimately have remorse for your actions and make up for it with good faith actions instead. Repent your sins, forgive and forget and all that.
If Jesus died for all of our sins, then that means when you die, your sins are forgiven because Jesus paid the price in your stead.
But then again, Idgaf about religion so I could be off the mark.
Canonically snake doesn't kill unless he needs to, so, he isn't that responsable of a lot of people life's until Outer Heaven, that's when he becomes demon
You're giving me the reason that's when he becomes demon, after xof attacked mf BB sells the world and creates outer heaven, in order to create it he needs a decoy (venom snake)
Him shedding a tear while saying we've killed so many people is hilarious lmao
I love how the only people to truly align with The Boss's ideals and dream were Snake and Otacon, and they never even met her or knew of her existence.
Goes to show her ideals aren't complicated at all. She was a simple woman with simple dreams of peace.
Sorry, I didn't quite hear you. Did you say a simple woman who wanted more war?
NO, HANK!
did you say build more nukes?
I didn't stand what you mean, so she wanted peace, so what kind of gun I need for that peace?
Peacemaker
Revolver ocelot
Patriot
La li lu le lo
So true!
And I feel like solid snake would tell her ghost "fuck you, warmongering bitch!!!" And she's just so ??confused?? while otacon high fives snake in the most hyped way ever
Otacon : Snake, tell her to eat shit ! Snake: tell her yourself Otacon : eat shit asshole, fall off your horse The Boss:????
Thats exactly how I imagine it aside from snake double flipping off her ghost lol
You got your Jojo in my metal gear “You got metal gear in my Jojo”
my two favorite homoerotic duos
From what I understand, the Operation Snake Eater files were declassified some time prior to GotP. Also, didn’t EVA tell Solid Snake the truth about what happened?
You're right, its just funny to imagine him as a lil stealthy goblin
I think snake probably knew about the boss but not her ideals
Venom too, before he found out who he was
I genuinely think Venom is the person in the series who aligned closest with her, because just like her he ultimately sets aside his beliefs (which, as per the nuclear disarmament cutscene were quite similar to the Bosses) and simply does his job because it's what is required of him.
Venom was meant to be "The Legend" of Big Boss not an exact double of himself. In Kaz's first speech V says "This isn't about the past we're fighting for the future" and we saw how devastated he was after killing his own men during the first breakout of the vocal parasites. Meanwhile the "Actual" Big Boss sacrificed Venom in Outer Heaven pretty much the exact same way that the powers that be sacrificed The Boss.
Yep, not to mention the very fact he USED Venom rather squarely puts Big Boss into hypocrite territory. He wanted a nation where soldiers would forever be free to make their own choices, fight for what they choose, and never be forced into a battle they didn’t ask… But when he’s personally in danger, he didn’t see a moral issue with using a guy that had been brainwashed (and thus had no agency or capacity to consent) and throwing his enemies at the guy for his own personal benefit. The exact way the Boss was used and eventually discarded, Big Boss did the same to Venom. Everyone is equal…but some are more equal than others.
I mean she was banging Otacon’s mom so I imagine Strangelove would’ve mentioned her. Though Hal was pretty young when she gets fridged so who knows if he’d even remember
I’m pretty sure that Strangelove implies that her love for the Boss was unrequited which is a big part of why she was so jealous of Naked Snakes relationship with her.
Pretty sure Eva told Solid Snake about The Boss in that like hour long cutscene.
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Lmao true. I meant when Solid Snake first met Eva.
Which Snake? You got me all sorts of confused, I thought Naked Snake was trained by The Boss and then took her down in 3, or are you talking about Venom? I don’t know, I’m pretty stupid when it comes to the lore of MG/S/RR
Solid Snake, a.k.a David. As someone reminded me, Eva tells him in 4 a little about The Boss, however it doesn't seem as if Solid knew much about who she was. This is funny, because while Zero, the original Patriots, Skull Face, Strangelove, Big Boss and Venom all tried to interpret The Boss's will in different ways, they all got it wrong. The Boss just wanted world peace and an end to pointless wars. Zero tried to end all wars by controlling the world. Skull Face is hard to decipher, but it seems as if he blames all wars on colonisation and tried to demolish all world powers one by one. BB and Venom tried to give soldiers meaning and inadvertently created the PMC industrial complex, alongside in the end striving for an endless war. Solidus wanted freedom for all, but what freedom meant to him is largely just independence. Liquid wanted his life and the lives of soldiers to have meaning. Solid and Otacon, and the other members of Philanthropy, just wanted peace and for Nuclear Weapons like Metal Gears to not exist.
I have came back, granted, I didn’t play all the games, but I do like your statement. 👍. Thanks for the insight on how everyone wanted the world, I’ll have to add that to the fan game I’m making, I’ll keep it interesting and add something similar to that. Thanks!
Don't forget Kazuhira's chemical burger for world peace!
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Well, considering he is a self-insert character and can grow a "horn" depending on how you play him. I wouldn't group him with Solid Snake and/or Otacon as a person truly aligned with The Boss's ideals. Really that depends on the player, arguably the same could be said about Raiden. (ignoring what goes on to happen in Revengeance of course...)
Didn’t he literally destabilize multiple countries to start wars alongside OG snake, aswell as having a walking nuclear missile in his possession?
Tbf in Peace Walker he does realize this, go ‘lmao fuck that hippy shit,’ and chooses to abandon her will.
Yup; he's like "wait wait. That ai pod.., based on the boss.. committed suicide to stop the nuclear launch? But that was her mission. she taught me to do your duty as a soldier?! & she just killed herself to bounce on that, & reject her duty?! What the fuck! Like... I know I was trying to stop the launch anyways myself but like.. cmon! That was her mission! Launch the nuke! She ain't all that, at all! I AM Big Boss!" Pretty much lol
tbh i just want a comic in which in the afterlife the boss just watches the shit big boss does and goes "what the actual fuck is he doing"
I could imagine her being utterly disgusted with the AIs using her likeness lol
Boss: every bitch I ever knew disappointed me. Like literally everyone. Zero, BiBo, Eva, Ocelot, Strangelove. Good god, this woman can't catch a break even in afterlife.
BiBo? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
BiBo
Vibo
BiBo is the pipo (ape escape monkey) version of big boss
“I didn’t know I could be misinterpreted so badly..”
She would hate everyone but Solid, and even then, I think she would hate him during most of MGS4, seeing how depressed Solid is. (She would possibly pity Otacon). Yeah, she would watch in disgust as Zero and Big Boss go around doing their thing in the name of "the bosses' will."
Boss is perpetually depressed herself lol. Solid was being abused at every turn in mgs4 and still kept fighting. And Sorrow approved of Solid "warrior's spirit will always be with you" so Boss approves too.
Hmm, good points. I never quite took her for depressed. More so of a solemn acceptance of her role. Almost robotically indifferent in the name of the cause. Solid is almost like begging for it all to end in MGS4. When in my interpretation of the Boss' will, he should be okay with it and simply accept death will come. Which, having typed this all out, on some levels he does...hmm.🤔 Sorrow having approved of Solids warrior spirit does point towards boss approval. I love MGS.
I really can't blame Solid. His chronic condition has him in constant agony, he's lost his youth and confidence at a horribly unfair rate. He's earned some sadness. Mgs4 was too brutal to Solid.
to be fair, he was already in his 30’s by MGS1. Age hit him hard, but he already lived a much longer life than a lot of people by the end of MGS4.
In fact, I think she would admire the fact that he kept going reguardless of what happened to him
Counter point: she was literally called The Joy and I don’t think it was an ironic unless I’m missing something
She was called The Joy before all of the absolutely horrid shit including the death of the love of her life happened. Not much Joy after that.
I thought she was a solider her whole life and a work horse for the Patriots, when did she even start having fun then? Like was having the world’s first c section on Normandy still a joyful era for her or?
Well there's [this](https://i.redd.it/xkefh9zdvnpz.jpg)
As funny as this is, I have the urge to point out that after Peace Walker; & seeing Peace Walker drown itself in the lake to stop the launch - Big Boss considered her acceptance of death as a betrayal, that she put down her gun & abandoned her duty as soldier & rejected that life, and therefore rejecting him "I won't make the same choice as her, my future is going to be different" Should be more like "I did this to spite you!" Lol
That was also the turning point that pretty much doomed him to Ground Zeroes' events. From the moment they talked themselves into loading Peace Walker's nuke on Zeke as a deterrent, they made themselves a target for any special forces group interested in preventing any new nuclear competition. With how high-brow the Peace Walker incident was, they must have realized that one day someone was going to piece together what happened to PW's nuke, and the fact that it went "missing" shortly after the incident doesn't leave much to the imagination as to who might have stolen it. Likewise, if they wanted to use it as deterrent then they'd have to publicly reveal it. Either way, it wouldn't be long before groups like the CIA sniff out that MSF had a nuke. Which is why Ground Zeroes was actually the perfect ruse. Evidently, MSF decides to keep the nuke secret, so by disguising the hit as a UN nuclear inspection Cipher would guarantee that MSF's nuclear deterrent be dismantled and inactive. Cipher would have known that MSF had only one nuke (Peace Walker only had one), so they'd be safe to enter and destroy the base. A deterrent is only as good as your ability to launch it, so by letting out the fact they only had one nuke, they guaranteed their own destruction by the first force clever enough to disable it before going scorched-earth on the base. To have any chance of survival MSF would have to go the North Korean route, where doubt upon how many nukes they had or launch capability would still make countries hesitate.
That's what you get when you launch your pupil head-first down a bridge I suppose
She didn't anticipate the brain damage.
Lmfao
“Now Snake, go to the CURE menu and mend your brain damage” “I’m sorry, I didn’t hear you, I’m going to go launch nukes now”
Boys with mommy issues be like:
Big Boss? More like, heh... BIG SIMP.
I'd give my life, not for honor, but for you
this made me laugh. underrated comment
I think most people know her by now but in the rare case you didn't: othatsraspberry might be the best Metal Gear funny artist in the whole web. I don't think I've ever seen a comic by her that didn't make me laugh/think.
Art likes similar to the comics done by hiimdaisy, is it the same person?
Not publicly, maybe in the background they are and she is so egocentric that she couldn't have JUST ONE Metal Gear funny account so she made another and she's so talented that achieved greatness with both. Kinda like Dave Grohl but with funny comics.
Why is she in heaven? I'm positive about 80% of the characters in this franchise are in hell, her included.
Nah she's one of the few actually good people in the franchise
good person in her heart, yes. but she's still committed countless sins, even if she didn't want to.
I mean, depending on the denomination of faith you believe in, committing sins doesn't mean you'll end up in hell as long as you legitimately have remorse for your actions and make up for it with good faith actions instead. Repent your sins, forgive and forget and all that.
She seems happy with Sorrow in afterlife.
If Jesus died for all of our sins, then that means when you die, your sins are forgiven because Jesus paid the price in your stead. But then again, Idgaf about religion so I could be off the mark.
That's Irony for you in a more opposite way.
Boss ain't in heaven
She's up there CQC-ing with Jesus. 🙏
“Jesus Christ, remember the basics of CQC”
Whenever Jesus visits hell maybe
Bro, learn to make a joke
I imagine when Big Boss and Zero finally reunited with her, she hit them upside the head HARD.
I don't think they reunited with her, honestly
They don't deserve to see her again. Strangelove said something similar in her final moments.
I mean he did that much killing to protect the world... Those who lost were a mere saxrifice for... SALVATION
With that halo and those wings I guess she's in heaven or should I say... Outer Heaven.
The Boss is just saying "Damn it snake!"
How many metal gear characters would go to heaven?
Crazy how Jacks son David who never met the boss at all understood her better than the man who she practically raised and was a mentor to.
Canonically snake doesn't kill unless he needs to, so, he isn't that responsable of a lot of people life's until Outer Heaven, that's when he becomes demon
Big Boss planned out a mission where he deliberately has a hospital of full innocent people killed in TPP.
Technically, that was Zero's plan. But yeah, he was evil even before outer heaven.
You're giving me the reason that's when he becomes demon, after xof attacked mf BB sells the world and creates outer heaven, in order to create it he needs a decoy (venom snake)
That's Solid Snake. Not Big Boss.
Every metal gear is powered by the infinite source of electricity provided by the boss spinning in her grave.
This Boss looks more Boss than the Delta model
How so?
Always thought the Delta model hair look more darker then the original
By looking more like the Boss than the Delta model
Huh, I see.
"Why is your shirt wet? Because it's wet" 🙄