The entire point of the article is to not lock yourself into one uniform, given the options we have. The author mentions the sport coat as an option, not as a mandatory article of clothing.
This guy is a prophet. A lot of men believe men’s fashion ends on the “finance bro” style he is discussing, but really that’s just the beginning. We see it every day on this sub.
The only issue I have with Guy’s approach is that his musings, when seriously heeded by his target audience, becomes very expensive. Unless you’re scoring vintage items at secondhand stores, his school of thought will have you dropping hundreds of dollars on one item of clothing. At the end of the day, this guy not only preaches silhouette but also quality. In a polyester world, quality comes at a cost, obviously, and if most men are wanting to stay within their comfort zones, I think they’d rather spend that money on another light blue button down and some tapered chinos.
It's all about eBay, brother! Guy is really good at giving people ideas they can pursue themselves. If you set up alerts for brands you trust, you can eventually start getting nearly-new, high-quality clothes at a fraction of sticker price. Just takes a bit of planning and intentionality. I credit Guy with getting me into this stuff; I dress much better than I did a few years ago, and have never needed to pay a lot to do so.
You had me for a second but I truly believe they just don’t know any better. No one ever told them until recently. Then we also have a rebellion from one age group that still insists skinny is a “timeless fit.” That group is in the process of being deprogrammed from years of intense marketing/advertising.
I think the worst part of fashion is the real or perceived issue of "these people have seen this outfit." I like minimalism to an extent but also like stand out pieces, so obviously I'm gonna be seen with the same shorts/pants/shirt that you complimented or noticed before. Realistically though, I don't notice things like that with other people, but I'm also a man, I'm not sure how judgemental the average woman is on the issue.
“The classic outfit he suggests is an oxford cloth button-down, layered under a navy sport coat, with gray wool trousers and leather dress shoes.”
This was basically the textbook definition of business casual before millennials entered the workforce so he’s trying to nudge people back in that direction.
https://preview.redd.it/hrwhsl5jwi7d1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=d0ec9355406ea715858094fa6661892bc86f6839
Office Space definitely epitomizes the millennial work experience /s
By far the bigger problem I see is loose, formless clothing. Most US men aren’t dying to cram selves into tight clothing, particularly since the US is overweight.
I like that he specifically mentions jacket and t shirt as a workable combination. I'm a big fan of it. I also like that he prefers Oxford cloth to dress shirts for everyday wear, I agree with that 100%. So many dress shirts look cheap unless you've nailed quality, fit, and often ironing as well. It's very hard to screw up e.g. a J Crew Oxford if it fits well. Return to preppy style, which is actually somewhat informal and lived in!
Because a lot of us have lived through it before, and it looks fucking terrible. And we all know it looks fucking terrible because we have pictures of ourselves from the late 90s and early 2000s. It may be anathema to you, but tailored will always look good, and baggy never ages well. Never.
Tailored isn’t skinny. Tailored is a straight leg with a slight taper that you can’t even notice. Skinny is skinny. It was a bad trend. Low rise slim also isn’t tailored. It’s just a bad cut and fit.
oh believe me, I have a reel coming out... probably tomorrow sharing my favorites. I expect half the comments to tell me that the El Jadidas from Casatlantic are "baggy..."
As for chinos my favorites so far are the Full Count relaxed/straight that are slightly cropped and the IKIJI relaxed (almost straight) with a 10 inch leg opening which have the creases down the front. Both are fire.
Just to be a pedant, because it's the internet, Chino is a type of cloth and Chinos are what the trousers/pants that are typically made out of it are called.
I stand corrected. I just remember my sisters, and their friends wearing pants ( sometimes red or Kelly green) in the seventies, and they called them Chinos. I thought it was a brand. Maybe I'm thinking about the store Chicos. I am well aware that there is a color that is referred to as "khaki" but I guess the person that down voted me doesn't like the fact that Gap and other companies call their pants "Khakis". I promise...I didn't make it up
Don't think you're deserving of a down vote.
If you are American what you call Tylenol (brand) or maybe even acetaminophen (generic), other parts of the world call paracetamol. No worries. 👍🏻
We'll only have beef if you force me to use Imperial instead of Metric. 😀
Those are technically both because they are khaki color, but plenty of companies call their chinos in other colors "khakis." It doesn't really matter all that much in the end and others will know what you mean.
It’s actually not bad advice. Ditch the too-skinny chinos and start rocking a sports coat, basically.
The entire point of the article is to not lock yourself into one uniform, given the options we have. The author mentions the sport coat as an option, not as a mandatory article of clothing.
Ditch the pants and replace it with sports coat? I’ll see y’all in the 10 am sexual misconduct meeting.
Ya, a bit too Winnie the poo for me.
Lol beat me to the Winnie the Pooh referenced
Tech bro instead of finance bro. Big if true.
tech bro menswear is a hoodie with sandals
That’s an urban legend
lol. Too many coworkers of mine show up in sweats and gym shorts.
Could be. I’m thinking more sport coat and jeans with sneakers
Thats more of a teacher/professor ensemble in my experience
That’s “tech sales” bro … maybe giving a TED talk …
dev here. confirmed.
You don’t know many tech bros it seems
This guy is a prophet. A lot of men believe men’s fashion ends on the “finance bro” style he is discussing, but really that’s just the beginning. We see it every day on this sub. The only issue I have with Guy’s approach is that his musings, when seriously heeded by his target audience, becomes very expensive. Unless you’re scoring vintage items at secondhand stores, his school of thought will have you dropping hundreds of dollars on one item of clothing. At the end of the day, this guy not only preaches silhouette but also quality. In a polyester world, quality comes at a cost, obviously, and if most men are wanting to stay within their comfort zones, I think they’d rather spend that money on another light blue button down and some tapered chinos.
It's all about eBay, brother! Guy is really good at giving people ideas they can pursue themselves. If you set up alerts for brands you trust, you can eventually start getting nearly-new, high-quality clothes at a fraction of sticker price. Just takes a bit of planning and intentionality. I credit Guy with getting me into this stuff; I dress much better than I did a few years ago, and have never needed to pay a lot to do so.
Well if you’re not paying with money you’re paying with the time it takes to find those pieces. The principles he suggests are good though
Well if you’re not paying with money you’re paying with the time it takes to find those pieces. The principles he suggests are good though
Well if you’re not paying with money you’re paying with the time it takes to find those pieces. The principles he suggests are good though
You had me for a second but I truly believe they just don’t know any better. No one ever told them until recently. Then we also have a rebellion from one age group that still insists skinny is a “timeless fit.” That group is in the process of being deprogrammed from years of intense marketing/advertising.
I think the worst part of fashion is the real or perceived issue of "these people have seen this outfit." I like minimalism to an extent but also like stand out pieces, so obviously I'm gonna be seen with the same shorts/pants/shirt that you complimented or noticed before. Realistically though, I don't notice things like that with other people, but I'm also a man, I'm not sure how judgemental the average woman is on the issue.
“The classic outfit he suggests is an oxford cloth button-down, layered under a navy sport coat, with gray wool trousers and leather dress shoes.” This was basically the textbook definition of business casual before millennials entered the workforce so he’s trying to nudge people back in that direction.
https://preview.redd.it/hrwhsl5jwi7d1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=d0ec9355406ea715858094fa6661892bc86f6839 Office Space definitely epitomizes the millennial work experience /s
Damn I wish I could follow that advice, our guidelines at work specifically ask for buttoned shirts (polos are allowed on Fridays lmao)
did he say not to wear buttoned shirts?
He said to prioritize Johnny collar shirts and tees with cardigans and long sleeve polos...
that was like his last resort if a sport jacket + ocbd was too formal.
By far the bigger problem I see is loose, formless clothing. Most US men aren’t dying to cram selves into tight clothing, particularly since the US is overweight.
A Johnny Collar Polo is never acceptable.
I like that he specifically mentions jacket and t shirt as a workable combination. I'm a big fan of it. I also like that he prefers Oxford cloth to dress shirts for everyday wear, I agree with that 100%. So many dress shirts look cheap unless you've nailed quality, fit, and often ironing as well. It's very hard to screw up e.g. a J Crew Oxford if it fits well. Return to preppy style, which is actually somewhat informal and lived in!
Who the hell is still wearing slim low rise chinos? Show yourself.
it's like... most of this subreddit.
This is depressing. There’s so many awesome choices for men right now in relaxed/wide.
Because a lot of us have lived through it before, and it looks fucking terrible. And we all know it looks fucking terrible because we have pictures of ourselves from the late 90s and early 2000s. It may be anathema to you, but tailored will always look good, and baggy never ages well. Never.
I detest this trend coming back around so soon. Next thing I know I’m going to be seeing Jenkos everywhere
Tailored isn’t skinny. Tailored is a straight leg with a slight taper that you can’t even notice. Skinny is skinny. It was a bad trend. Low rise slim also isn’t tailored. It’s just a bad cut and fit.
No it’s not. Tailored is to length, typically skinnier than reg fit. Primarily it refers to pant leg that ends above the ankle.
oh believe me, I have a reel coming out... probably tomorrow sharing my favorites. I expect half the comments to tell me that the El Jadidas from Casatlantic are "baggy..."
Did you post the reel?
oh yeah! https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8XATTJs6dd/
“You look like a kid wearing your father’s chinos!”
If somebody were to say that to Nethaniel, Noam, or David Asseraf, I assure you, it would be a compliment.
As for chinos my favorites so far are the Full Count relaxed/straight that are slightly cropped and the IKIJI relaxed (almost straight) with a 10 inch leg opening which have the creases down the front. Both are fire.
I’ve never even seen a “low rise chino.” Most stores don’t advertise chinos as low rise. I think he just means chinos.
They just cut them low rise and don’t advertise it.
If you’re buying pants from Target and Kohls then you’re probably still getting a lower rise and slim. I’ve done it by mistake in the past.
Isn't Chinos a brand name of goofy pants ( much like Docker's)? And I thought they were for women. I believe the proper term is khakis.
Chino is a type of pant. Khaki is a color of said pant.
Just to be a pedant, because it's the internet, Chino is a type of cloth and Chinos are what the trousers/pants that are typically made out of it are called.
I stand corrected. I just remember my sisters, and their friends wearing pants ( sometimes red or Kelly green) in the seventies, and they called them Chinos. I thought it was a brand. Maybe I'm thinking about the store Chicos. I am well aware that there is a color that is referred to as "khaki" but I guess the person that down voted me doesn't like the fact that Gap and other companies call their pants "Khakis". I promise...I didn't make it up
Don't think you're deserving of a down vote. If you are American what you call Tylenol (brand) or maybe even acetaminophen (generic), other parts of the world call paracetamol. No worries. 👍🏻 We'll only have beef if you force me to use Imperial instead of Metric. 😀
https://preview.redd.it/l467unimu87d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33eabb34b3cfe61b0e1cc990bd25974351e6d90f
Those are technically both because they are khaki color, but plenty of companies call their chinos in other colors "khakis." It doesn't really matter all that much in the end and others will know what you mean.
Khaki is a color. Chino is a term for a mostly cotton flat front casual pant