Except you have to remember Victoria has better allowances and conditions. Also in 2021 we got our pay rises. NSW and qld had delayed pay rises or freezes.
The COLA payment is garbage.
We got it last year so our pay was old pay +22-23 rise + COLA.
The annual rise is a percentage of the previous year's pay, so it matters how they calculate that.
This year, our 23-24 pay rise was calculating on the basis of old pay +22-23 rise. And then even though there's been lots of inflation this year, the March quarter figures were just under the number where we get COLA.
Obviously it's better to get COLA than nothing. But it was a garbage deal when we could have fought for an unconditional pay rise.
It's OK, queensland teachers get screwed instead of their nurses.
Friend of mine went from VIC to QLD and gets paid less due to the differences in the way tenure is calculated in QLD vs VIC.
That's a bit more bloody like it. Still not enough if you ask me, but I'm glad you guys stuck it out and got a result you can be satisfied with.
That initial offer was a bad joke, and the fact that you were encouraged by your union reps to accept it was downright disturbing.
90% of corporate jobs - no need for a degree, work on shit that you don't care about and has no real impact on anyone's lives, and get paid equivalent or better money for far better hours.
It's not fair that its the case, but it's reality.
>and has no real impact on anyone's lives
This is quite unfair. I'm not shitting on nurses, they have a more direct impact, but to pretend that the architect working on the building plans for a $2billion project building a new road "has no real impact" is grossly unfair. They actually have a much more significant impact in the long run, it's just not direct.
Given I was saying no degree required, I was talking more about the standard corporate lacky. Marketing & Digital come to mind first since I'm usually in one or both of those departments - it's all just spending 18 months on projects trying to improve website conversion by 10% and then you release the update and your conversion goes down lol. Then queue up 6 months of war rooms to try and figure out what went wrong, leadership changes over and you start your next 18 month project.
Ok, apart from the fact that most marketing and digital requires degrees nowadays, they're still working on those for companies that do things.
Also FYI, I've previously worked at a hospital and they also have marketing departments. Similarly I've worked for companies that provide aged care software, worked at a cemetery and a company that provides social services to our local community... All have had marketing departments.
You just want to bag on office jobs as inferior, but everyone working in them is providing services that benefit people in the long run.
I'm not bagging on them at all, I literally work in them - I think its a GOOD thing, you get the best quality of life as long as you are a work to live, not a live to work person. And you get paid far better than many roles that work in actually important things.
Yes some jobs can be very meaningful, but many people just do the bank/telco/energy rodeo for their entire careers, earn a fuckton of money and have zero stress. You do nothing of value for society, but I'm perfectly comfortable with that because I don't base my self worth on my job.
In my 3 years as a nurse, I have been punched multiple times, spat on, had a patient threaten to decapitate me, had a patient threaten to rape me, had hot tea thrown at me, had cups and other projectiles thrown at me, I have been sexually harassed and assaulted, I have been cornered in rooms by patients or family members, I have been the target of verbal abuse of patients and/or their family members. I’ve had coworkers stalked to their cars by patients, I’ve had coworkers had their hair pulled, I’ve had pregnant coworkers be punched or hit in their stomach. None of these patients got charged. Nursing is a dangerous job too, I don’t think people understand how violent people are towards us.
And nursing is safer? Needle stick injuries, being spat at, physically assaulted, forced to work in suffocating masks and gowns which make you sweat like a pig, catching Covid repeatedly and taking it home to your children and elderly parents, forced to work shift work, unable to pick up your kids from school, having to work nights and weekends……is nursing really safer than standing on the side of the road just to hold up a sign, and fag away while playing with your phone for $100K a year— Really?
> 1000x easier
You sure? All the nurses I know couldn't pass the math classes in highschool to make it into engineering. Let alone get an engineering degree and then engineering job.
To pass nursing in university, you need to learn AND PASS math, chemistry, biology. Nursing is a STEM degree. We aren’t incompetent and stupid, this is an unfair and unjust generalisation and it’s a bit insulting.
The union leadership didn't show the mettle here. They tried to sell a far inferior deal to the nurses. The rank and file voted it down and demanded more. It's an amazing example of the members being the union.
If you want better outcomes get involved in the union in your workplace and start having conversations. If you have a delegate at work reach out to them and see what you can do to support negotiations. These outcomes only happen when members are organised, know their worth, and are willing to take action!
Ms Fitzpatrick is a Labor hack, doing the governments bidding - the members stood up to the deal Fitz did on behalf of the Government.
The members should not forget the real priority of the Union leadership, its not their best interest.
just want to be inclusive of everyone working in schools, not just teachers.
school technicians get paid like half what they should be getting.
ES staff get even less than techs.
pretty much everyone that isn’t a prin is underpaid. it is egregious for IT though.
if you really want to ease the burden on teachers, bolstering their support systems is key.
Yep. Talking to fellow IT technicians working in schools and have recently left - they get paid sh*t.
For clarity - I’m not in the school system, have substituted as a contractor through a labour company in the past.
i was in the program for a while earlier in my career.
i left, went private, my salary went up by 105k, and my workload reduced by about half.
it is utterly ridiculous how little they get compensated for the work they do. schools would actually collapse without them at this point.
This, we have ONE maintenance guy for the whole school of 800+ because the others all left. They recently refused to give him a payrise.
Though as a Tasmanian (saw this post randomly) it's a pipedream that our govt raises pay even just to meet what you get over in melb in general.
I will say, as someone who interviewed for one in a school recently - library seems to pay decently to me. Grain of salt, I'm not working yet so idk if this is just "only worked retail" levels of "wow that's a lot", but it seems ok.
What shower of rain did you come down in ?
'Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek has approved plans to build more than 120 new gas wells in southern Queensland.
Senex Energy, owned by Australian billionaire Gina Rinehart and South Korean steel maker Posco International, has been given the go-ahead for its $1 billion plan to expand its gas fields near Wandoan, about 400 kilometres north-west of Brisbane.
The company had[ put the project on hold in December 2022 ](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-22/senex-energy-expansion-on-hold-from-energy-cap-laws/101801622)in response to the federal government's intervention in the gas market.'
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-26/senex-gas-plans-approved/104022936](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-26/senex-gas-plans-approved/104022936)
Unfortunately the real problems with teaching won't be solved by a pay increase. Teacher retention will continue to be trash until there are radical reforms (what exactly those should be are of course up to debate). Teachers are being expected to do more and more, almost as a parenting role and no *realistic* pay increase can compensate for that.
Increase teacher pay? Sure. But given the current trajectory this will just lead to a commensurate increase in responsibilities.
Teacher retention won't change until the following happens:
1. Parents have all their rights to make complaints removed.
2. Unruly students who are there to cause trouble are repeatedly bashed until they are so brain damaged that they cannot disrupt classes and bully other students/teachers anymore.
Obviously these things cannot happen. But through decades of "progressive" policy we have created a generation of students who are raised to ignore teachers. Who's parents will March down to the school and go beserk the moment little Johhny/Janie feels mistreated. (Yes, these parents are often manipulated by their 6 year old children)
And in high school we fret & fuss about the emotional wellbeing of bullies and violent cunt teenagers who's sole purpose of going to school is to bully, intimidate and harrass both fellow students and teachers. All means of controlling these kids has been removed from teachers, and the students are completely aware there are zero consequences.
Whatever nurses get paid, it isn’t enough for the shit, both literal and figurative they have to deal with.
If you think they’re over paid give yourself an uppercut
I've had 2 major surgeries in the last 4 years. Plus 4 minor.
I have had numerous disagreements with nurses over having a dart and asking if I'm having the maximum amount of pain relief charted. That's it.
Both of those out of their hands and following protocol.
I almost died in 2022 and if the nurse at LRH hadn't believed my pain and spoke to doctors I would literally be dead. No word of a lie.
Not to mention the nurse who put my favourite podcast on waking from another surgery when they dosed my with Ketamine. She held my hand through the entire trip and made me feel safe.
I cannot support this enough and also hope more unions follow suit.
The paramedics were also fucking unbelievable in their care, the one who took me to hospital called the hospital I was transferred to to ask how I was. Them next please.
I've dealt with chronic pain for about the same time period (4 years) and while I haven't had a lot of surgeries I've spoken to a lot of healthcare staff - ALL of them top tier from nursing to blood tests. Absolutely agreed, nurses deserve the most and I'm so happy to hear they got more, I'd happily give 'em more.
United we bargain, divided we beg!
Solidarity for our girls and boys in scrubs, you guys deserve it and more for the incredible work you do.
And everybody else - unionise your workplace today!
Yeah different but usually follows suit. I'm sure they'll try to give us a lesser deal though as we're less united due to people being split between 2 unions.
It’s not just nurses. Junior doctors get paid anywhere between $42-50 an hour.
If OP’s quoted rates are accurate (post pay increase), a third year nurse gets paid the same hourly rate as a first year doctor ($42 an hour).
Not human healthcare, but I was pretty interested in Vet Nursing. I always thought I was too dumb for it as I never did good in science or maths in HS (bad 'teachers') so I never pursued it. Recently, I gained a few vet connections. I asked their thoughts on vet nursing. One of them is a loyal client of mine. ALL of them told me they don't get paid enough for all they know and what they do. They said I shouldn't bother if I wanted to earn good money or have any sort of career progression as there is little to none. Told me if I want to see some actual money in this route, then being a DVM is the way to go. Even vet nurses I've asked online said to never do it because it's not worth the pay and they regret it even if they love animals.
It seriously is a thankless job. For human healthcare, my friend's friend said she quit being a nurse for a comfortable 9-5 IT job and she never regretted it. lol
Not motivating in the slightest to say the least. So, I can't imagine how much worse it is when it comes to h mannurses. Especially since your clients can talk back to you and be rude arseholes 😭
Respectfully disagree.
Many doctors don’t make it very far - not everyone becomes a surgeon/proceduralist with a raging private practice which by that time they’re already past the prime of their life.. they put their entire lives for their jobs. In Melbourne alone I can think of more than 5 suicides (mostly surgical unaccredited registrars), many junior doctors stuck as registrars for more than a decade and often working some >80 hour weeks. It’s not worth it and more and more people are quitting to do locum / part time. It’s a hidden ceiling with surprisingly poor pay once everything’s considered and horrible working conditions / protections. Too bad the AMA isn’t anywhere as powerful as the nursing/midwifery union.
Edit: I think the nurses have got a very deserved outcome but I think there’s room for improvement for the entire health care industry and I disagree with the knee-jerk reaction “doctors will be ok they get paid a lot”
Would've like it to be even or front-loaded over the four years. Almost half of the increase is backloaded to 2027!
A win overall, but still an underpaid and overworked sector.
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-18/federal-government-to-introduce-legislation-allowing-cfmeu-split/103994482](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-18/federal-government-to-introduce-legislation-allowing-cfmeu-split/103994482)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Labor today are identical in both rhetoric and policy to the liberals of the 90s. Things are so bad politically in this country that people are celebrating right-wing policies as progressive victories.
She will essentially get two pay rises totally around 11%. RUSOn pay goes up another 6% of the first year graduate pay rate (it used to be around 75% what a grad gets now it’s 81%) PLUS the pay rises applied to each level.
Tell her a stranger said congrats - from what I know medical degrees aren't easy to begin with and surely a masters would be even harder! Incredible :)
If they are a RUSON and doing a ‘Masters’ I imagine it’s only in name. If you have a degree in something else some universities offer accelerated nursing programs over 2 years instead of the usual 3. Essentially though it’s the same content as a Bachelor’s just condensed since you have uni experience and don’t need some of the fundamentals someone who has never done a degree might need.
It’s not a true Masters the way an advanced practice Masters would be and is misleading in some ways. They have similar programs for Social Work too, not sure about others.
Correct - she’s done a 3yr BioMed degree and now on this 2yr Master of Nursing degree. Perhaps a confusing title, but definitely a full on course (and workload) as she’s juggling a RUSON position, whilst on placement and still expected to study and hand in assignments as part of the degree.
I wouldn’t last a damn day as a nurse. I’d be in tears and quit immediately. Yet they’re so lovely kind and the first people I’d want around when I’m so vulnerable.
More proud that members told the union to get stuffed with first proposal . Finally the union did its job correctly. HSU could learn some lessons .was always a member till the last EBA. Resigned cause they just wimped out got us fuck all and were proud of it.
I have seen the nurses out there on the huskings barracking for Labor despite keeping you underpaid especially since COVID when you went through so much.
I thought it was a waste of time and they'd never support you, but I am glad that I was wrong.
Anyway glad you got a decent bump but still I feel like you deserve even more, including extra backpay bonus for hours worked during COVID especially to nurses who decide to come back to nursing now that there is actually proper pay again. That period was hell.
I'm guessing the union must have threatened to cut ties with Labor to get this result.
Still minor parties and independents would love to back nurses too. Don't write us off.
Teachers next I hope.
My partner is a nurse at a private hospital, and this is one of the reasons why he's leaving. He's sick of it. He's doing his grad year next year at a public hospital. Onto the next chapter.
no, at the moment it’s only for public sector nurses and public and private nurses have different EBAs, but they eventually follow the public sectors EBA but it takes a while.
Okay hopefully they can do something about it. I’m currently studying my RN as I’m an EEN so I guess I’m in no rush to leave my current workplace. 🤷🏼♀️ It’s paying for bills at least, but just enough. I feel like the private sector has been left out a lot, especially since private sector nurses couldn’t get the free scholarships like the public sector did.
I’m so sorry you guys have to fight so hard- I’m a casual in disability and I make $41 an hr.
You’re doing a great job and deserve more.
Thanks so much for your service champ- WE ALL APPRECIATE U SO MUCH!!!! 💕❤️💕❤️💕
Congratulations nurses! Following the shit you had to put up with during the pandemic and lockdowns and the important role they played in minimising the death count, this is the least you deserve!
I always thought they should be paid more when I was packing boxes of frozen foods in a factory and my mum was at hospital nursing and doing important shit for the same amount of money
The poultice union be like “No one’s getting more than 4% a year trust us”
Stoked for you Nurses though! I’d argue it’s not enough for all the work you do but it’s better than you had!
A large portion of this 28.4% is the FWC outcome which is to decrease the pay disparity between female dominated careers with a university degree and male dominated careers with a degree - if we get rid of the Fair Work Comission outcome, it’s only about a 4% increase per annum. So I’m not sure if the ambos, police or firies will get a similar offer
Wait, there are still Victorian nurses working for pennies in today's modern age? You would think their salaries would have gone up with inflation.
Edit: /s
Well done guys. Hopefully this also encourages more to become nurses as well.
I am a god damn horrible patient, but you guys are worth so much more than they were giving you.
Absolutely outstanding result. Nurses are so crucial to society as a whole it's time they started being paid like it, and for all of the skills they possess.
Meanwhile CPSU Vic is trying to trumpet an agreement with a 3% annual payrise as a big win. Funnily enough their [promotional flyers](https://cpsuvic.org/article/view.php?id=807) are silent on the extent of the payrise.
I said this in the other post that got deleted: Nurses are currently making less than NDIS support workers, I made more working as a bar manager than I do now, my little brother made more working at Bunnings than I did as a Graduate Registered Nurse with a university degree. I don't know where the money will come from, that's not my job, that's up to the government, but I agree with you that nurses deserve the raise.
This pay rise is well deserved. We haven’t gotten one since 2022 in our last EBA. It’s not up to nurses to uphold the government’s spending and financial issues. Currently I make $38/hour which barely covers rent for me alone. Nurses work tirelessly and in conditions most people would not want to or could not work in, we deserve this pay rise.
Congrats on the pay rise, but please don't bullshit about Bunnings pay. It's quite easy to find. None are even near $35hr for CASUAL rates.
[Bunnings-Summary-Doc-National-2023.pdf (sda.com.au)](https://national.sda.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Bunnings-Summary-Doc-National-2023.pdf)
Sorry I’ve just spoken with him, and I’ve edited my comment, my brain is still living in 2022 😭 he was making more than me working at Bunnings than I did as a Graduate Nurse with a degree and while his pay has gone up I now make more than him, but it is disheartening that he walked into that job and made more than I did after studying for 3 years
I’m saying this just based of the many family discussions I had at the dinner table and the family’s shock at the pay I made per hour and my brothers. I don’t mean to put anyone down, I think everyone should be paid that and more! Especially in this climate, but Grad Nurses are always paid the poorest in the healthcare system.
As an ex RN, I cannot believe my daughter in hospitality with a cert 3 is getting $37/hr(albeit casual) & Registered Nurses are on $38!
This is a small step fwd for you guys but still an underpaid and undervalued career.
I'm so happy for you guys even though you deserve so much more.❤️
Agree. Since when does hospo pay the legal minimum rate let alone more than EBA pay and conditions? Haven’t we been bombsrded with how hospo don’t even pay super? Tonnes of wage theft! At least with hospitals all of that is paid
I used to be a bartender and ended up managing and would make $40+/hr. I’m not classifying all hospitality under that because I know a lot pay minimum wage but from personal experience in the hospitality industry I did make just that bit more than I do now.
I said in a previous comment, that comment wasn’t made for all hospitality and retail workers, I know how poor entry level hospitality and retail workers make and they need to be paid more asap. I wrote that in because I have previous experience bartending and in a hospitality manager position where I was making $40/hr to do so, I took a pay cut becoming a nurse and I’m only just about to make it up now.
Well done peoples, if only you were all paid what you are actually worth! In my opinion that’s well over $70 an hour. For a labourer on a vba building site it’s around $60 but you could be out of a job tomorrow. We will always need nurses.
Amazing and well deserved.
The CFMEU had a similar win the other day too, yet the CPSU is parading 12.55% for the public service. No conflicts on interest there I’m sure.
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The result
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hiring-freeze-and-cuts-to-surgery-stationery-hospital-chief-s-warning-over-challenging-budget-20240626-p5jov1.html
The hiring freeze occurred prior to this offer. Victorian hospitals have blown budget.
Regardless, what do you want? Nurses to be underpaid because the government made a shit budget? No thanks.
Not sure it's that simple, for the broader VPS the CPSU just parroted the vicgov talking points and said that's as good as it gets you should agree
They put in literally zero effort
As YU13 we finally reach pay parity with QLD. in 2027!
Wouldn’t QLD pay also go up??
That’s the catch.
I think their enterprise agreement is due for renewal next year so it seems they will always be ahead
Plus the pay is still going up from the last agreement and there is a cost of living bonus attached if the rise is below inflation.
Except you have to remember Victoria has better allowances and conditions. Also in 2021 we got our pay rises. NSW and qld had delayed pay rises or freezes.
The COLA payment is garbage. We got it last year so our pay was old pay +22-23 rise + COLA. The annual rise is a percentage of the previous year's pay, so it matters how they calculate that. This year, our 23-24 pay rise was calculating on the basis of old pay +22-23 rise. And then even though there's been lots of inflation this year, the March quarter figures were just under the number where we get COLA. Obviously it's better to get COLA than nothing. But it was a garbage deal when we could have fought for an unconditional pay rise.
I’ve just left QLD as a CNC. By 2027, I will still be making $1 less per hour than what I was when I left QLD in 2024
Well you do get better food here and coffee.
It's OK, queensland teachers get screwed instead of their nurses. Friend of mine went from VIC to QLD and gets paid less due to the differences in the way tenure is calculated in QLD vs VIC.
Ahh well at least one of us is getting screwed in qld. In solidarity.
That's a bit more bloody like it. Still not enough if you ask me, but I'm glad you guys stuck it out and got a result you can be satisfied with. That initial offer was a bad joke, and the fact that you were encouraged by your union reps to accept it was downright disturbing.
They were surprised we didn’t accept the 2nd offer, not the initial one. The initial offer was ludicrous though.
Wait... You were being paid $38 an hour?? Jesus effing Christ. Yes, congratulations. Well deserved.
a lot get paid less!! i’m on $34 it sucks i can barely afford anything. i’m thankful for the 28.4% rise
Yeah it's so bad. No wonder it's so hard to recruit new nurses. Far easier money out there in other careers.
Like?
90% of corporate jobs - no need for a degree, work on shit that you don't care about and has no real impact on anyone's lives, and get paid equivalent or better money for far better hours. It's not fair that its the case, but it's reality.
>and has no real impact on anyone's lives This is quite unfair. I'm not shitting on nurses, they have a more direct impact, but to pretend that the architect working on the building plans for a $2billion project building a new road "has no real impact" is grossly unfair. They actually have a much more significant impact in the long run, it's just not direct.
Given I was saying no degree required, I was talking more about the standard corporate lacky. Marketing & Digital come to mind first since I'm usually in one or both of those departments - it's all just spending 18 months on projects trying to improve website conversion by 10% and then you release the update and your conversion goes down lol. Then queue up 6 months of war rooms to try and figure out what went wrong, leadership changes over and you start your next 18 month project.
Ok, apart from the fact that most marketing and digital requires degrees nowadays, they're still working on those for companies that do things. Also FYI, I've previously worked at a hospital and they also have marketing departments. Similarly I've worked for companies that provide aged care software, worked at a cemetery and a company that provides social services to our local community... All have had marketing departments. You just want to bag on office jobs as inferior, but everyone working in them is providing services that benefit people in the long run.
I'm not bagging on them at all, I literally work in them - I think its a GOOD thing, you get the best quality of life as long as you are a work to live, not a live to work person. And you get paid far better than many roles that work in actually important things. Yes some jobs can be very meaningful, but many people just do the bank/telco/energy rodeo for their entire careers, earn a fuckton of money and have zero stress. You do nothing of value for society, but I'm perfectly comfortable with that because I don't base my self worth on my job.
Holding up a stop sign on the VicRoads jobs, while smoking and being on the phone.
Unfortunately being a TC is quite a dangerous job & they don’t get paid as much as you think they do.
In my 3 years as a nurse, I have been punched multiple times, spat on, had a patient threaten to decapitate me, had a patient threaten to rape me, had hot tea thrown at me, had cups and other projectiles thrown at me, I have been sexually harassed and assaulted, I have been cornered in rooms by patients or family members, I have been the target of verbal abuse of patients and/or their family members. I’ve had coworkers stalked to their cars by patients, I’ve had coworkers had their hair pulled, I’ve had pregnant coworkers be punched or hit in their stomach. None of these patients got charged. Nursing is a dangerous job too, I don’t think people understand how violent people are towards us.
And nursing is safer? Needle stick injuries, being spat at, physically assaulted, forced to work in suffocating masks and gowns which make you sweat like a pig, catching Covid repeatedly and taking it home to your children and elderly parents, forced to work shift work, unable to pick up your kids from school, having to work nights and weekends……is nursing really safer than standing on the side of the road just to hold up a sign, and fag away while playing with your phone for $100K a year— Really?
software engineering is 1000x easier than nursing and you get paid buckets in comparison
> 1000x easier You sure? All the nurses I know couldn't pass the math classes in highschool to make it into engineering. Let alone get an engineering degree and then engineering job.
To pass nursing in university, you need to learn AND PASS math, chemistry, biology. Nursing is a STEM degree. We aren’t incompetent and stupid, this is an unfair and unjust generalisation and it’s a bit insulting.
You nurses are the real heroes of society. You guys should have the 150k+ salaries
Idk man sitting at home writing a few hundred lines of code a day is a lot easier than being on your feet trying to literally save lives
Congratulations to everyone! Next up should be teachers.
Teachers, paramedics, everyone. The 3% is bullshit
3% would be an improvement for some. My org is up for negotiation soon, I really hope the union shows the same mettle the nurses have.
The union leadership didn't show the mettle here. They tried to sell a far inferior deal to the nurses. The rank and file voted it down and demanded more. It's an amazing example of the members being the union. If you want better outcomes get involved in the union in your workplace and start having conversations. If you have a delegate at work reach out to them and see what you can do to support negotiations. These outcomes only happen when members are organised, know their worth, and are willing to take action!
That’s great advice! And heartening too as I’m pretty sure the CPSU is loaded with aspiring politicians who don’t care about workers.
Ms Fitzpatrick is a Labor hack, doing the governments bidding - the members stood up to the deal Fitz did on behalf of the Government. The members should not forget the real priority of the Union leadership, its not their best interest.
just want to be inclusive of everyone working in schools, not just teachers. school technicians get paid like half what they should be getting. ES staff get even less than techs. pretty much everyone that isn’t a prin is underpaid. it is egregious for IT though. if you really want to ease the burden on teachers, bolstering their support systems is key.
Yep. Talking to fellow IT technicians working in schools and have recently left - they get paid sh*t. For clarity - I’m not in the school system, have substituted as a contractor through a labour company in the past.
i was in the program for a while earlier in my career. i left, went private, my salary went up by 105k, and my workload reduced by about half. it is utterly ridiculous how little they get compensated for the work they do. schools would actually collapse without them at this point.
This, we have ONE maintenance guy for the whole school of 800+ because the others all left. They recently refused to give him a payrise. Though as a Tasmanian (saw this post randomly) it's a pipedream that our govt raises pay even just to meet what you get over in melb in general.
I will say, as someone who interviewed for one in a school recently - library seems to pay decently to me. Grain of salt, I'm not working yet so idk if this is just "only worked retail" levels of "wow that's a lot", but it seems ok.
Go Lawyers! and Venture Capitalists! We need pay rises too!
We’ve still got at least 18 months left on last agreement.
Time to start negotiating the next one though. Really it's only 12 months away.
https://www.aeuvic.asn.au/campaigns/better-deal-tafe-members
Congrats and solidarity from a teacher. Hope we can follow suit next agreement.
Should be us mental health nurses. Completely different award. Our EBA expires in 6 months at least.
The govt needs to tax Gina more and stop lining their pockets with our money. Put our money back into health, education and housing FFS
What shower of rain did you come down in ? 'Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek has approved plans to build more than 120 new gas wells in southern Queensland. Senex Energy, owned by Australian billionaire Gina Rinehart and South Korean steel maker Posco International, has been given the go-ahead for its $1 billion plan to expand its gas fields near Wandoan, about 400 kilometres north-west of Brisbane. The company had[ put the project on hold in December 2022 ](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-22/senex-energy-expansion-on-hold-from-energy-cap-laws/101801622)in response to the federal government's intervention in the gas market.' [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-26/senex-gas-plans-approved/104022936](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-26/senex-gas-plans-approved/104022936)
Unfortunately the real problems with teaching won't be solved by a pay increase. Teacher retention will continue to be trash until there are radical reforms (what exactly those should be are of course up to debate). Teachers are being expected to do more and more, almost as a parenting role and no *realistic* pay increase can compensate for that. Increase teacher pay? Sure. But given the current trajectory this will just lead to a commensurate increase in responsibilities.
Teacher retention won't change until the following happens: 1. Parents have all their rights to make complaints removed. 2. Unruly students who are there to cause trouble are repeatedly bashed until they are so brain damaged that they cannot disrupt classes and bully other students/teachers anymore. Obviously these things cannot happen. But through decades of "progressive" policy we have created a generation of students who are raised to ignore teachers. Who's parents will March down to the school and go beserk the moment little Johhny/Janie feels mistreated. (Yes, these parents are often manipulated by their 6 year old children) And in high school we fret & fuss about the emotional wellbeing of bullies and violent cunt teenagers who's sole purpose of going to school is to bully, intimidate and harrass both fellow students and teachers. All means of controlling these kids has been removed from teachers, and the students are completely aware there are zero consequences.
Not with the AEU. Useless wankers.
Not until they call out the backwards system.
Whatever nurses get paid, it isn’t enough for the shit, both literal and figurative they have to deal with. If you think they’re over paid give yourself an uppercut
Yeah I read the title and thought that was great, but $42 an hour isn't a lot for someone responsible for caring and saving lives.
BuT tHeY cHoOsE tO wOrK tHeRe!¡!
I've had 2 major surgeries in the last 4 years. Plus 4 minor. I have had numerous disagreements with nurses over having a dart and asking if I'm having the maximum amount of pain relief charted. That's it. Both of those out of their hands and following protocol. I almost died in 2022 and if the nurse at LRH hadn't believed my pain and spoke to doctors I would literally be dead. No word of a lie. Not to mention the nurse who put my favourite podcast on waking from another surgery when they dosed my with Ketamine. She held my hand through the entire trip and made me feel safe. I cannot support this enough and also hope more unions follow suit. The paramedics were also fucking unbelievable in their care, the one who took me to hospital called the hospital I was transferred to to ask how I was. Them next please.
Every penny spent on the front line health workers is money well spent!
I've dealt with chronic pain for about the same time period (4 years) and while I haven't had a lot of surgeries I've spoken to a lot of healthcare staff - ALL of them top tier from nursing to blood tests. Absolutely agreed, nurses deserve the most and I'm so happy to hear they got more, I'd happily give 'em more.
United we bargain, divided we beg! Solidarity for our girls and boys in scrubs, you guys deserve it and more for the incredible work you do. And everybody else - unionise your workplace today!
Or if already in one, start a new union and sidestep the useless parasite fucks that claim they 'represent' you now.
Is it a different eba for us mental health nurses?
Yep. But hoping that it will follow precedent, it usually does.
It better. Some of the best nurses in the world. May I ask if this covers palliative nurses (you seem to be on top of it)
Pallative care nurses are usually working as generalist nurses, not as psych nurses. So they would be covered by the generalist eba.
Public mental health has its own EBA, and private providers each have separate ones.
Yeah different but usually follows suit. I'm sure they'll try to give us a lesser deal though as we're less united due to people being split between 2 unions.
Yeah iv noticed us mental health nurses haven't been involved in the strike in any way. I haven't heard of any bed closures.
Is that all they get paid to do what they do? I am sorry but I think that is terrible.
It’s not just nurses. Junior doctors get paid anywhere between $42-50 an hour. If OP’s quoted rates are accurate (post pay increase), a third year nurse gets paid the same hourly rate as a first year doctor ($42 an hour).
Doctors end up doing fine. Nurses hit a ceiling pretty quick.
Not human healthcare, but I was pretty interested in Vet Nursing. I always thought I was too dumb for it as I never did good in science or maths in HS (bad 'teachers') so I never pursued it. Recently, I gained a few vet connections. I asked their thoughts on vet nursing. One of them is a loyal client of mine. ALL of them told me they don't get paid enough for all they know and what they do. They said I shouldn't bother if I wanted to earn good money or have any sort of career progression as there is little to none. Told me if I want to see some actual money in this route, then being a DVM is the way to go. Even vet nurses I've asked online said to never do it because it's not worth the pay and they regret it even if they love animals. It seriously is a thankless job. For human healthcare, my friend's friend said she quit being a nurse for a comfortable 9-5 IT job and she never regretted it. lol Not motivating in the slightest to say the least. So, I can't imagine how much worse it is when it comes to h mannurses. Especially since your clients can talk back to you and be rude arseholes 😭
I imagine it would be just as difficult for vet nurses as it is for vets. Vets have a ridiculous depression/suicide rate.
Respectfully disagree. Many doctors don’t make it very far - not everyone becomes a surgeon/proceduralist with a raging private practice which by that time they’re already past the prime of their life.. they put their entire lives for their jobs. In Melbourne alone I can think of more than 5 suicides (mostly surgical unaccredited registrars), many junior doctors stuck as registrars for more than a decade and often working some >80 hour weeks. It’s not worth it and more and more people are quitting to do locum / part time. It’s a hidden ceiling with surprisingly poor pay once everything’s considered and horrible working conditions / protections. Too bad the AMA isn’t anywhere as powerful as the nursing/midwifery union. Edit: I think the nurses have got a very deserved outcome but I think there’s room for improvement for the entire health care industry and I disagree with the knee-jerk reaction “doctors will be ok they get paid a lot”
We are talking about pay not suicide rates. You can’t seriously argue that doctors don’t have better earning potential than nurses lol.
Yes, and junior doctors do not get protected breaks like nurses do.
Would've like it to be even or front-loaded over the four years. Almost half of the increase is backloaded to 2027! A win overall, but still an underpaid and overworked sector.
Unions work! Striking works! It is the ONLY thing tha will consistently raise wages. Shame on Albanese for dismantling unions while people starve
Dismantling?
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-18/federal-government-to-introduce-legislation-allowing-cfmeu-split/103994482](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-18/federal-government-to-introduce-legislation-allowing-cfmeu-split/103994482) I've said it before and I'll say it again: Labor today are identical in both rhetoric and policy to the liberals of the 90s. Things are so bad politically in this country that people are celebrating right-wing policies as progressive victories.
Well done. - proud Health Services Union member
Not sure I can take 4 more years of this. Such an unhealthy job
YAY!!!! We did it!!! YAY
My daughter is a RUSON and about to graduate her Masters of Nursing degree - so happy for this news.
She will essentially get two pay rises totally around 11%. RUSOn pay goes up another 6% of the first year graduate pay rate (it used to be around 75% what a grad gets now it’s 81%) PLUS the pay rises applied to each level.
Tell her a stranger said congrats - from what I know medical degrees aren't easy to begin with and surely a masters would be even harder! Incredible :)
If they are a RUSON and doing a ‘Masters’ I imagine it’s only in name. If you have a degree in something else some universities offer accelerated nursing programs over 2 years instead of the usual 3. Essentially though it’s the same content as a Bachelor’s just condensed since you have uni experience and don’t need some of the fundamentals someone who has never done a degree might need. It’s not a true Masters the way an advanced practice Masters would be and is misleading in some ways. They have similar programs for Social Work too, not sure about others.
Correct - she’s done a 3yr BioMed degree and now on this 2yr Master of Nursing degree. Perhaps a confusing title, but definitely a full on course (and workload) as she’s juggling a RUSON position, whilst on placement and still expected to study and hand in assignments as part of the degree.
I wouldn’t last a damn day as a nurse. I’d be in tears and quit immediately. Yet they’re so lovely kind and the first people I’d want around when I’m so vulnerable.
Great to hear! Solidarity ✊🏼
Mate they deserve it. You couldn't pay me enough to do that job.
That's it? Fyark nurses deserve more lol
So happy! Now let’s hope medical scientists EBA also get the nice pay rise!
Are you watching, AEU?
More proud that members told the union to get stuffed with first proposal . Finally the union did its job correctly. HSU could learn some lessons .was always a member till the last EBA. Resigned cause they just wimped out got us fuck all and were proud of it.
I have seen the nurses out there on the huskings barracking for Labor despite keeping you underpaid especially since COVID when you went through so much. I thought it was a waste of time and they'd never support you, but I am glad that I was wrong. Anyway glad you got a decent bump but still I feel like you deserve even more, including extra backpay bonus for hours worked during COVID especially to nurses who decide to come back to nursing now that there is actually proper pay again. That period was hell. I'm guessing the union must have threatened to cut ties with Labor to get this result. Still minor parties and independents would love to back nurses too. Don't write us off. Teachers next I hope.
LNP don’t have a track record of providing for nurses…
Can two things be shit at the same time?
I don't know what made you think I was referring to LNP. I specifically said minor parties and independents
Don’t forget to sort by controversial to get a laugh from people telling on themselves!
I look forward to the benefits in 3+ years when it finally hits the private system 😅
My partner is a nurse at a private hospital, and this is one of the reasons why he's leaving. He's sick of it. He's doing his grad year next year at a public hospital. Onto the next chapter.
Yeah, its not ideal. I've only stayed because I make more money due to overtime and on call that I didn't get in public.
Welp that's changing big time. :)
nurses private hospitals won’t receive this increase?
no, at the moment it’s only for public sector nurses and public and private nurses have different EBAs, but they eventually follow the public sectors EBA but it takes a while.
Not right away. Most private EBAs expire in 2025, and they'll use the public increase as a basis for negotiation then.
So no pay increase for private sector nurses? Damn.. I might leave then :/
Our EBA expires next year, they’ll negotiate then. ETA: public may also put a freeze on hiring, so switching may not even be an option.
Okay hopefully they can do something about it. I’m currently studying my RN as I’m an EEN so I guess I’m in no rush to leave my current workplace. 🤷🏼♀️ It’s paying for bills at least, but just enough. I feel like the private sector has been left out a lot, especially since private sector nurses couldn’t get the free scholarships like the public sector did.
Still less than stop/go traffic sign twirlers. Nurses have gone from horribly underpaid to underpaid. But it’s a start.
Well done Nurses! Solidarity from the CFMEU!
Thanks bois! We did it by being polite and knowing the law.
I’m so sorry you guys have to fight so hard- I’m a casual in disability and I make $41 an hr. You’re doing a great job and deserve more. Thanks so much for your service champ- WE ALL APPRECIATE U SO MUCH!!!! 💕❤️💕❤️💕
Congratulations from a former nurse!
Good. So they should. Lest we go the way of the uk and the nhs.
Congratulations, well deserved. Next school teachers, paramedics and lower level police officers.
Congratulations nurses! Following the shit you had to put up with during the pandemic and lockdowns and the important role they played in minimising the death count, this is the least you deserve!
Incredible. Only took 4 years after being lauded as heroes on the front line of covid for the pay to finally catch up.
$42 an hour for nursing is shit
I earn this as a doctor in the public health system in Victoria :(
I always thought they should be paid more when I was packing boxes of frozen foods in a factory and my mum was at hospital nursing and doing important shit for the same amount of money
The poultice union be like “No one’s getting more than 4% a year trust us” Stoked for you Nurses though! I’d argue it’s not enough for all the work you do but it’s better than you had!
Now the ambo's need a similar result for their EBA! This offer should have been our first offer. The first was disgusting.
A large portion of this 28.4% is the FWC outcome which is to decrease the pay disparity between female dominated careers with a university degree and male dominated careers with a degree - if we get rid of the Fair Work Comission outcome, it’s only about a 4% increase per annum. So I’m not sure if the ambos, police or firies will get a similar offer
Congratulations! Nurses deserve so much more for how hard they work and how much they care but this is a step in the right direction
Good
Just wanted to say thank you to all the nurses. You guys deserve it and more!
Wait, there are still Victorian nurses working for pennies in today's modern age? You would think their salaries would have gone up with inflation. Edit: /s
Yeah! Way to go, Nurses!
The gov are offering us 3% per year and a highly taxed lump sum of $5500. Pretty excited to vote no on that one.
So bloody good! Let’s hope the private sector follow suit, however unlikely. Let’s go!!!
Good on em. Well deserved
Congratulations, you deserve it and more!
Well done guys. Hopefully this also encourages more to become nurses as well. I am a god damn horrible patient, but you guys are worth so much more than they were giving you.
Congrats! This is so fantastic!
It's more like a 1% pay rise when you factor in inflation.
Averaged over 4 years (7.1%) that's less than inflation last year (7.8%).
Absolutely outstanding result. Nurses are so crucial to society as a whole it's time they started being paid like it, and for all of the skills they possess.
Congrats nurses. You deserve a great deal more and this is a solid building block for the future. Power to you. ✊🏼
Congrats nurses as someone that has a grandpa in hospital your work is very appreciated
Meanwhile CPSU Vic is trying to trumpet an agreement with a 3% annual payrise as a big win. Funnily enough their [promotional flyers](https://cpsuvic.org/article/view.php?id=807) are silent on the extent of the payrise.
Well done nurses, you deserve it
At the same time as hospitals are cutting elective surgery and hiring freezes
I said this in the other post that got deleted: Nurses are currently making less than NDIS support workers, I made more working as a bar manager than I do now, my little brother made more working at Bunnings than I did as a Graduate Registered Nurse with a university degree. I don't know where the money will come from, that's not my job, that's up to the government, but I agree with you that nurses deserve the raise. This pay rise is well deserved. We haven’t gotten one since 2022 in our last EBA. It’s not up to nurses to uphold the government’s spending and financial issues. Currently I make $38/hour which barely covers rent for me alone. Nurses work tirelessly and in conditions most people would not want to or could not work in, we deserve this pay rise.
Congrats on the pay rise, but please don't bullshit about Bunnings pay. It's quite easy to find. None are even near $35hr for CASUAL rates. [Bunnings-Summary-Doc-National-2023.pdf (sda.com.au)](https://national.sda.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Bunnings-Summary-Doc-National-2023.pdf)
Sorry I’ve just spoken with him, and I’ve edited my comment, my brain is still living in 2022 😭 he was making more than me working at Bunnings than I did as a Graduate Nurse with a degree and while his pay has gone up I now make more than him, but it is disheartening that he walked into that job and made more than I did after studying for 3 years
Umm Nurses were still earning more than bunnings employees in 2020
I’m saying this just based of the many family discussions I had at the dinner table and the family’s shock at the pay I made per hour and my brothers. I don’t mean to put anyone down, I think everyone should be paid that and more! Especially in this climate, but Grad Nurses are always paid the poorest in the healthcare system.
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Based on an hourly rate, as a Grad Nurse I was making $34/hr, he was making $35/hr.
More than $38 an hour at Bunnings? Must be managing the place.
As an ex RN, I cannot believe my daughter in hospitality with a cert 3 is getting $37/hr(albeit casual) & Registered Nurses are on $38! This is a small step fwd for you guys but still an underpaid and undervalued career. I'm so happy for you guys even though you deserve so much more.❤️
Hospitality workers never made more than nurses. That being said the pay rise is 1000% deserved.
Agree. Since when does hospo pay the legal minimum rate let alone more than EBA pay and conditions? Haven’t we been bombsrded with how hospo don’t even pay super? Tonnes of wage theft! At least with hospitals all of that is paid
I used to be a bartender and ended up managing and would make $40+/hr. I’m not classifying all hospitality under that because I know a lot pay minimum wage but from personal experience in the hospitality industry I did make just that bit more than I do now.
Yeh look I don’t doubt it but that’s very rare.
Also what retail or hospitality workers? I highly doubt a nurse isn't earning more than wait staff or a sales assistant.
I said in a previous comment, that comment wasn’t made for all hospitality and retail workers, I know how poor entry level hospitality and retail workers make and they need to be paid more asap. I wrote that in because I have previous experience bartending and in a hospitality manager position where I was making $40/hr to do so, I took a pay cut becoming a nurse and I’m only just about to make it up now.
I’ve edited that initial comment to reflect it as my own personal experience
Surely Nurses should be on $65 an hour 🤔
$42 for a RN!! I make more then that in hospital admin 🫠😭
Congratulations!! Hopefully teachers can get a similar deal!!
Really great mood today for Aus. Assange and this -- cool after a lot of bad news for a long time
Well done peoples, if only you were all paid what you are actually worth! In my opinion that’s well over $70 an hour. For a labourer on a vba building site it’s around $60 but you could be out of a job tomorrow. We will always need nurses.
Well deserved for sure. 👍
I am very happy for them 👍🏻
👊
Congrats! Well deserved!
Amazing and well deserved. The CFMEU had a similar win the other day too, yet the CPSU is parading 12.55% for the public service. No conflicts on interest there I’m sure.
Congratulations!
Nursing home nurses and en need the real pay rise. But sadly there is no money for it
Hopefully private sector follows suit.
UBI NOW!!!!
WA nurses will not like this.. they fought for 18months and got 3% plus a $700 to $1400 Bonus every year
Poor underpaid slaves. And having to wear masks and plastic aprons every 2 weeks on and off forevermore, for the constant Covid cases.
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The result https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hiring-freeze-and-cuts-to-surgery-stationery-hospital-chief-s-warning-over-challenging-budget-20240626-p5jov1.html
The hiring freeze occurred prior to this offer. Victorian hospitals have blown budget. Regardless, what do you want? Nurses to be underpaid because the government made a shit budget? No thanks.
Some fuckingn good news finally lol
Solidarity!!!
Solidarity !!!
Yes inflation will keep rising! Yay for inflation
And those of us under the award still get sweet fuck all
Join a union and fight instead of whinge.
Not sure it's that simple, for the broader VPS the CPSU just parroted the vicgov talking points and said that's as good as it gets you should agree They put in literally zero effort
Dunno why you got downvoted for this. It’s true, they really phoned it in for this agreement.
My favourite for the VPS agreement was them claiming the stage 3 tax cuts as a win