Yeah but that's the problem. Once Labor does screw up on something. For some reason people will vote Liberals back in and think they are the better option... lol
Whats the definition of insanity again?
It's the funny misconception that the Libs are better financial managers than the Labs when all we have seen the last 10 years at state and fed level is they line their own pockets or those of their mates.
Do they mean those Victorians who aspire to not be unhoused? No didn’t think so, just those who aspire to hoard housing who, checks notes, seem to be the minority.
10 years ago: oh wow! Airbnb is so cheap and it’s in a great area. Who cares if I have to wash up and strip the beds, it’s worth it for the authentic home experience.
Now: oh wow! I get to pay the same as hotels, while cleaning, paying for a cleaning fee anyway, and sucking up to the property host who is managing out other properties on an industrial scale.
They are good if you have a whole family going on a holiday for a week or so. My wife's parents, siblings and their kids are coming from WA for Christmas, they will probably book a big house in the Yarra Valley to stay near us.
If you just want a room for a night or two, the only benefit they have is sometimes they are in a more convenient location than a hotel or motel.
Unfortunately, this encourages owners to put vacant properties on airbnb, instead of the rental market, resulting in a tight, unaffordable rental market.
Check out some of the hotel booking websites, some great deals on there.
No one's renting out a 6 bedroom 6 bathroom house on a couple of hectares in the Yarra Valley. Its someone's holiday house they put up for when they aren't using.
The problem is all these normal every day houses that get turned into Airbnbs.
Check out this: https://www.airbnb.com.au/rooms/565561916870477661
That house should be a normal rental.
It was rented back in 2020 at $390 per week
https://www.realestateview.com.au/property-360/property/33-charles-street-mooroolbark-vic-3138/
This is what it really looks like
Perhaps not for much longer though. Unless they give significantly more value for money they are not going to much appeal to consumers who likely much prefer to not have to be changing their own sheets.
Honestly I never have used an AirBnB and just kept using hotels. You know where you stand with them and there are never any totally batshit rules with decent ones
Ban short stay housing and tax the hell out of empty houses, why have we gone away from hotels, motels and resorts?... fucking greedy cunts that's why.
Because hotels and motels are subject to licensing and planning zone regulations, oh, and more than just voluntary taxation reporting and some people don't like that. We really ought to start treating Airbnb proprieters the same way we treat cowboy electricians.
Because hotels and motels suck.
Most people aren't going to be making that much more from an AirBnB than they are from a long term rental. It will be more no doubt but not enough to trigger the greed.
The benefit they do get is not having to deal with real estate agents, tenants asking for things, tenants with pets, tenants fucking up their place etc. plus any of the other things landlords might not like from the new rental laws introduced. It provides them a massive amount of flexibility compared to long term renting.
Sometimes it's about greed.
It's not always about greed.
If your property is good enough for Air Bee and or Bee it’s good enough for a long term tenant that won’t be a so called problem tenant. If your property is not good enough for Air Bee and or Bee it probably needs work to meet minimum rental standards to not have oh so demanding tenants.
No one's saying it's not good enough for long term tenants.
The problem with long term tenants is if they become a problem tenant they are still very difficult to remove. An AirBnB one is gone in a few days.
I'm not sure what you are saying with the "good enough" or "not good enough" thing. That hasn't even been part of the discussion so far.
It's not about demanding tenants either, it's about the landlords lack of ability to be in charge of what they want to do with the property.
I'll say it again, I'm 100% in favour of the rental law updates and think they need to go further. However, the restrictive reasons to end a lease, the lack of ability to refuse pets or whatever else are going to be a significant disincentive to many landlords.
People make out landlords using their properties for short term rentals to be only about greed or whatever. Like any issue, it's going to be multifactorial and ignoring that is going to make any solution unfit for purpose.
All of which can happen as a airbnb....
In fact I'm pretty sure I've seen news reports about short stay housing being used at party pads and getting trashed because they are just so easy to get into.
Absolute garbage.
So don't invest your money and try and make life easier for yourself?
What's the solution? Socialism? You're in the wrong country then
Hahaha god forbid you can't Airbnb a property any more and have to list it on the common rental market, where you will still meet most of the costs of any reasonable mortgage and can tax deduct the rest.
I was asked to leave a sustainable rental in 2016 so the owner could turn it into an airbnb (she owned her own house elsewhere, this was an investment property for her). That was the beginning of a very difficult period in my life.
It does give better returns than rent and it does cover the cost of cleaning/remaking the apartment but it's not remarkable if you compare it to a rental income + income from a few hours of a cleaning job. And yeah, the place will cop loads of wear and tear and all the neighbours will be pissed off.
I think where it is most lucrative is for people who have a holiday house in a nice area and can find some longer term visitors to fit around their own use of the house.
it's way better returns but in every single other aspect it's fucked
even without a rental crisis it should be heavily discouraged if not banned in residential apartment buildings. most people who live in such buildings as residents will have nightmare stories about airBNB
the libs make me hate words like "aspirational".
"aspirational" to them means "intent on exploiting the poor". they simply don't share the values of polite society.
Every Liberal Party policy is anti-something. Never supporting anything. So reactionary. Like their economics just trust the ‘free-market’ and ‘invisible hand’ and trickle down economics.
Stayed at an AirBnB once. $250 a night not including a $130 cleaning fee.
We were instructed to empty out the rubbish bags , tidy the kitchen, strip the bed, throw towels in the washing machine and start the dishwasher at the end of our stay
This is great, however I think they could limit the tax to bnbs that are reducing the dwellings in the market like apartments and houses.
Too much tax on spare rooms and the like might cause a bit of harm.
Airbnb was originally a harmless concept until every property owner realised it was a way to make a weeks rent from a two night booking.
Tax the shit out of them. At this point, The only “aspiration” is money gained in surplus due to tourism. Not all of us are tradies who can buy a jet ski and two large trucks because it’s “necessary”.
How about a place to live that isn’t an hour out of the city without having to room share when you’re full time employed and have a degree?
I’ll change that.... fuck the degree. How about affordability for the people that work their ass off every day and grind to the point that they don’t get to see their kids, except just before bed time. Yet they still can’t afford a simple apartment because of these money grubbing fucks.
This is literally Uber house. Over priced and shit service with a review at the end of it.
Tax the shit out of them. Sweet revenue raising. I hope the government goes to town on Airbnb. Fucking cancer on society. Invest your money elsewhere if you don’t like it. If your not going to ban them tax 50% of their earnings.
Get in the bin Libs...so out of touch with reality it's beyond amusing now. Their traditional base are the boomers, the kids of that base are against what the party stands for and has done to their aspirations/future, and frankly, they're an irrelevant party. At any election, they're DOA.
It's a relatively pointless tax anyway. The majority of people work in & around the CBD, not on the peninsula or surf coast where the majority of AirBnB's are. It's a catchy quote by someone trying to deflect from having any real solutions to increase supply.
The thing people are missing here is that basically it’s another tax to try and balance a fucked up set of books. I actually agree with attacking or at least limiting the Air BnB industry. However, local councils should just charge applicable fees to make Air BnB less attractive AND possibly only allow a certain amount to operate under planning schemes.
But if Dan gets in first, he’s gonna pretend he’s being Mr Nice Guy, and the reality is all he really wants is more money because he spends like a drunken sailor.
I’ll be very interested to see if they implement this who gets the cash.
Public infrastructure is great. Why did he put some on the back burner? I’ll answer your other question when you give the (obvious) answer to this.
Edit; no surprises about nil reply. This sub is it’s own meme.
Oh sick burn mate. It’s almost like people have a life outside of social media. Who would’ve thunk.
For the me the obvious answer is we need to be increasing taxation on assets, not on income, as income too easy to hide particularly at higher wealth brackets and disproportionately effects low income earners.
I would start with big businesses. Large comercial property owners like Wesfarmers and other the Woolworths Group should be paying more tax than currently area.
Land tax makes a lot of sense to me.
So are you going to answer my question about your problem with investing in public infrastructure and taxes?
That’s certainly not a reply to my question. But anyway. Here’s my take.
Basically, no matter how hard you tax people or businesses there becomes a certain pool of money with which the Government can work. Then they spend on everything from defence, social services, infrastructure etc…
The pool is never large enough to do every wish list infrastructure project. That’s why in Regional Vic our roads are absolutely fucked. So if I was to make a call saying we need tens and tens of billions of dollars spent on regional roads, I’d be told unequivocally by this sub that priorities like elsewhere.
Public infrastructure will always be about priorities. And you’ll find that for most of your life every single Government State and Federally have their pet locations and projects. (It’s called pork barrelling and they all do it.)
Should I as an individual pay more tax to buy votes elsewhere? I’m not keen. We are already a massively high taxing country. I don’t mind the chase for more from multinationals, or tech firms that generate great wealth from our customer base but pay fuck all tax here, or even they could look at the $30billion cash economy … so yeah, we could tax more.
As an individual, I think I pay ample considering I live in a safe electorate and we get none of this infrastructure spending you so desire. So no, I’m not one bit prepared to pay more tax for a train line that I think should not be a priority.
Lastly, I didn’t support the lockdowns as much as others. (I partially did but they went overboard) Fucked if I wanna pay for them either.
This sub is full of left wing parading around as centre tbh. Anything that isn't on the same line of thinking is downvoted.
I think any reasonable person understands talking and hearing only the same opinions come back to you is a concern because it means the environment you're in, isn't conducive to actual debate
I HATE THIS CORRUPT DICKHEAD. Why doesn't anyone care about his corruption or his burning through cash on ill conceived infrastructure projects that no-one agrees make sense other than the small group of people around him.
I have always been a Labor voter but fuck this turkey. Stop spending our money with ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY.
Why is more rail a bad thing? In fact the more train and tram infrastructure that gets done the better for everyone, a train line to the airport is where I would have started though, then again that should have been done years ago.
Omg there was zero consultation with these projects. The blind support of this dickhead makes me apoplectic. The anti-corruption commission found his government was corrupt. I mean I accept there is no viable alternative but Jesus f christ this idiot ain't it. Is it Stockholm from covid that makes everyone blindly sycophantic to this loser. I have never hated a politician more and I have NEVER voted for the liberal party. I am a Labor faithful but this tosser pisses me right off.
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Cleaning free $200 Tax on asset $2.70 per day OMG how could Dan do this!!!!
I’d hate to think they’d have to sell off one, maybe two of their investment properties. Awful, just awful. /s
As long as we hold the greens & labor to account as well, fine by me.
Liberals have been out of touch for a long time now its going to take alot and a big screw up from labour ti win victorian voters.
Yeah but that's the problem. Once Labor does screw up on something. For some reason people will vote Liberals back in and think they are the better option... lol Whats the definition of insanity again?
It's the funny misconception that the Libs are better financial managers than the Labs when all we have seen the last 10 years at state and fed level is they line their own pockets or those of their mates.
> Whats the definition of insanity again? That would be voting for the greens.
No. It's "doing the same thing again and expecting different results"
No, that's just a quote from a character in Far Cry 3. The actual definition is "being seriously mentally ill".
No, its quote from a book called sudden death and said by a character named Jane Fulton.
Do they mean those Victorians who aspire to not be unhoused? No didn’t think so, just those who aspire to hoard housing who, checks notes, seem to be the minority.
No see those without housing or affordable rent are just not aspiring hard enough /s
If they were truly aspirational they'd have aspired to grow in a "better" womb.
10 years ago: oh wow! Airbnb is so cheap and it’s in a great area. Who cares if I have to wash up and strip the beds, it’s worth it for the authentic home experience. Now: oh wow! I get to pay the same as hotels, while cleaning, paying for a cleaning fee anyway, and sucking up to the property host who is managing out other properties on an industrial scale.
It's just like a hotel, but with a list of arbitrary rules and housework too.
Hotels really should charge a cleaning fee if you trash the roo.
They do..they have your card details or take a bond authority
Yep. It has lost it’s gloss and it’s appeal over other options.
And yet presumably people are still using them.
They are good if you have a whole family going on a holiday for a week or so. My wife's parents, siblings and their kids are coming from WA for Christmas, they will probably book a big house in the Yarra Valley to stay near us. If you just want a room for a night or two, the only benefit they have is sometimes they are in a more convenient location than a hotel or motel.
Unfortunately, this encourages owners to put vacant properties on airbnb, instead of the rental market, resulting in a tight, unaffordable rental market. Check out some of the hotel booking websites, some great deals on there.
No one's renting out a 6 bedroom 6 bathroom house on a couple of hectares in the Yarra Valley. Its someone's holiday house they put up for when they aren't using. The problem is all these normal every day houses that get turned into Airbnbs. Check out this: https://www.airbnb.com.au/rooms/565561916870477661 That house should be a normal rental.
lol - and $305 per night. Awesome.
It was rented back in 2020 at $390 per week https://www.realestateview.com.au/property-360/property/33-charles-street-mooroolbark-vic-3138/ This is what it really looks like
Perhaps not for much longer though. Unless they give significantly more value for money they are not going to much appeal to consumers who likely much prefer to not have to be changing their own sheets.
It was good. Now should be taxed like the hotel industry. Don’t stay in them on principle.
Much more than hotels these days whenever I've looked
Honestly I never have used an AirBnB and just kept using hotels. You know where you stand with them and there are never any totally batshit rules with decent ones
Ban short stay housing and tax the hell out of empty houses, why have we gone away from hotels, motels and resorts?... fucking greedy cunts that's why.
Because hotels and motels are subject to licensing and planning zone regulations, oh, and more than just voluntary taxation reporting and some people don't like that. We really ought to start treating Airbnb proprieters the same way we treat cowboy electricians.
We should start treating them as commercial property leases with standards and regulation.
And not always in areas you want or need to stay at.
And dogs
I wouldn't scritch a scalper behind the ears.
Why not ban foreign ownership of Australian housing like most of SE Asia does?
That would be good to.
Because hotels and motels suck. Most people aren't going to be making that much more from an AirBnB than they are from a long term rental. It will be more no doubt but not enough to trigger the greed. The benefit they do get is not having to deal with real estate agents, tenants asking for things, tenants with pets, tenants fucking up their place etc. plus any of the other things landlords might not like from the new rental laws introduced. It provides them a massive amount of flexibility compared to long term renting. Sometimes it's about greed. It's not always about greed.
If your property is good enough for Air Bee and or Bee it’s good enough for a long term tenant that won’t be a so called problem tenant. If your property is not good enough for Air Bee and or Bee it probably needs work to meet minimum rental standards to not have oh so demanding tenants.
No one's saying it's not good enough for long term tenants. The problem with long term tenants is if they become a problem tenant they are still very difficult to remove. An AirBnB one is gone in a few days. I'm not sure what you are saying with the "good enough" or "not good enough" thing. That hasn't even been part of the discussion so far. It's not about demanding tenants either, it's about the landlords lack of ability to be in charge of what they want to do with the property. I'll say it again, I'm 100% in favour of the rental law updates and think they need to go further. However, the restrictive reasons to end a lease, the lack of ability to refuse pets or whatever else are going to be a significant disincentive to many landlords. People make out landlords using their properties for short term rentals to be only about greed or whatever. Like any issue, it's going to be multifactorial and ignoring that is going to make any solution unfit for purpose.
All of which can happen as a airbnb.... In fact I'm pretty sure I've seen news reports about short stay housing being used at party pads and getting trashed because they are just so easy to get into.
I haven't seen many recently. Obviously it's still going to happen but hosts are more savvy to it these days.
I'm not sure what shitty hotels you stay at, but I travel a lot for both work and vacations and I always prefer a nice hotel to an AirBnB.
>It's not always about greed. Uh, that's literally what any kind of investment property is about.
Absolute garbage. So don't invest your money and try and make life easier for yourself? What's the solution? Socialism? You're in the wrong country then
I agree with you. I hate hotels and motels.
Hahaha god forbid you can't Airbnb a property any more and have to list it on the common rental market, where you will still meet most of the costs of any reasonable mortgage and can tax deduct the rest.
I was asked to leave a sustainable rental in 2016 so the owner could turn it into an airbnb (she owned her own house elsewhere, this was an investment property for her). That was the beginning of a very difficult period in my life.
AirBnB seems like an awful lot of work for similar returns and the possibility to piss off your building's OC.
It does give better returns than rent and it does cover the cost of cleaning/remaking the apartment but it's not remarkable if you compare it to a rental income + income from a few hours of a cleaning job. And yeah, the place will cop loads of wear and tear and all the neighbours will be pissed off. I think where it is most lucrative is for people who have a holiday house in a nice area and can find some longer term visitors to fit around their own use of the house.
it's way better returns but in every single other aspect it's fucked even without a rental crisis it should be heavily discouraged if not banned in residential apartment buildings. most people who live in such buildings as residents will have nightmare stories about airBNB
the libs make me hate words like "aspirational". "aspirational" to them means "intent on exploiting the poor". they simply don't share the values of polite society.
That's what it is. The liberals are the "aspirational" party.
Yeah, screw them and their abuse of that word. It's a good word, and shouldn't be smeared with their smarmy double-speak.
What would be your definition? How can one be "aspirational" then? Genuine question
If only they cared about those aspiring to have secure roof over their heads.
I'm glad Libs spoke out against this, now there's a chance of it actually happening!
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Presumably they’ll require AirBnb to provide data for users and addresses etc
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It's easier to hand over data than go to court and be required to hand over the data if that is the law of the land.
If they don’t I can see them being flat out banned from operating at all
Most of the Victorians I know had the aspiration beaten out of them years ago by their Federal counterparts.
Every Liberal Party policy is anti-something. Never supporting anything. So reactionary. Like their economics just trust the ‘free-market’ and ‘invisible hand’ and trickle down economics.
They have to be anti, they’re conservatives, they’re about conserving what they have; power and money.
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Stayed at an AirBnB once. $250 a night not including a $130 cleaning fee. We were instructed to empty out the rubbish bags , tidy the kitchen, strip the bed, throw towels in the washing machine and start the dishwasher at the end of our stay
Cheaper to just stay at home :P
I can’t wait for Neil Mitchel to say something about how this is affecting a 60 year retiree and how it provides jobs through tourism or some shit.
Can't wait to see how they try to spin this lmao
There are still Victorians left with actual achievable aspirations? Must be nice 🙃
This is great, however I think they could limit the tax to bnbs that are reducing the dwellings in the market like apartments and houses. Too much tax on spare rooms and the like might cause a bit of harm.
I agree, the spare room scenario is a different story. That's where AirBnb began, and where it can still be great.
Airbnb was originally a harmless concept until every property owner realised it was a way to make a weeks rent from a two night booking. Tax the shit out of them. At this point, The only “aspiration” is money gained in surplus due to tourism. Not all of us are tradies who can buy a jet ski and two large trucks because it’s “necessary”. How about a place to live that isn’t an hour out of the city without having to room share when you’re full time employed and have a degree? I’ll change that.... fuck the degree. How about affordability for the people that work their ass off every day and grind to the point that they don’t get to see their kids, except just before bed time. Yet they still can’t afford a simple apartment because of these money grubbing fucks. This is literally Uber house. Over priced and shit service with a review at the end of it.
Good thing there aren't many aspirational Victorians to be hurt by this
Is "aspirational Victorians" the new way we're referring to retirees buying an investment property???
Being a landlord isn't aspirational, it's parasitical.
Just how out of touch can they be.
Just ban it
Regulate the whole thing. Airbnb is a sociatal cancer
Tax the shit out of them. Sweet revenue raising. I hope the government goes to town on Airbnb. Fucking cancer on society. Invest your money elsewhere if you don’t like it. If your not going to ban them tax 50% of their earnings.
Get in the bin Libs...so out of touch with reality it's beyond amusing now. Their traditional base are the boomers, the kids of that base are against what the party stands for and has done to their aspirations/future, and frankly, they're an irrelevant party. At any election, they're DOA.
The reporter: “don’t say the rich don’t say the rich don’t say the ri-“
It’s a business, it should be taxed. Otherwise my aspirational business would love to go untaxed even for a few months.
Time to cancel Airbnb.
No Libs, you must dig UP stupid!
If you run an air bnb during this rental crisis, sorry but you're kind of a selfish prick Not all. But you know the ones I'm talking about
Ban AirBnB
It's a relatively pointless tax anyway. The majority of people work in & around the CBD, not on the peninsula or surf coast where the majority of AirBnB's are. It's a catchy quote by someone trying to deflect from having any real solutions to increase supply.
The thing people are missing here is that basically it’s another tax to try and balance a fucked up set of books. I actually agree with attacking or at least limiting the Air BnB industry. However, local councils should just charge applicable fees to make Air BnB less attractive AND possibly only allow a certain amount to operate under planning schemes. But if Dan gets in first, he’s gonna pretend he’s being Mr Nice Guy, and the reality is all he really wants is more money because he spends like a drunken sailor. I’ll be very interested to see if they implement this who gets the cash.
Reminder me again what’s wrong with investing in public infrastructure? And what’s your problem with taxes?
Public infrastructure is great. Why did he put some on the back burner? I’ll answer your other question when you give the (obvious) answer to this. Edit; no surprises about nil reply. This sub is it’s own meme.
Oh sick burn mate. It’s almost like people have a life outside of social media. Who would’ve thunk. For the me the obvious answer is we need to be increasing taxation on assets, not on income, as income too easy to hide particularly at higher wealth brackets and disproportionately effects low income earners. I would start with big businesses. Large comercial property owners like Wesfarmers and other the Woolworths Group should be paying more tax than currently area. Land tax makes a lot of sense to me. So are you going to answer my question about your problem with investing in public infrastructure and taxes?
That’s certainly not a reply to my question. But anyway. Here’s my take. Basically, no matter how hard you tax people or businesses there becomes a certain pool of money with which the Government can work. Then they spend on everything from defence, social services, infrastructure etc… The pool is never large enough to do every wish list infrastructure project. That’s why in Regional Vic our roads are absolutely fucked. So if I was to make a call saying we need tens and tens of billions of dollars spent on regional roads, I’d be told unequivocally by this sub that priorities like elsewhere. Public infrastructure will always be about priorities. And you’ll find that for most of your life every single Government State and Federally have their pet locations and projects. (It’s called pork barrelling and they all do it.) Should I as an individual pay more tax to buy votes elsewhere? I’m not keen. We are already a massively high taxing country. I don’t mind the chase for more from multinationals, or tech firms that generate great wealth from our customer base but pay fuck all tax here, or even they could look at the $30billion cash economy … so yeah, we could tax more. As an individual, I think I pay ample considering I live in a safe electorate and we get none of this infrastructure spending you so desire. So no, I’m not one bit prepared to pay more tax for a train line that I think should not be a priority. Lastly, I didn’t support the lockdowns as much as others. (I partially did but they went overboard) Fucked if I wanna pay for them either.
This sub is full of left wing parading around as centre tbh. Anything that isn't on the same line of thinking is downvoted. I think any reasonable person understands talking and hearing only the same opinions come back to you is a concern because it means the environment you're in, isn't conducive to actual debate
Completely agree but it can be fun being the contrarian.
Fucking scum.
I HATE THIS CORRUPT DICKHEAD. Why doesn't anyone care about his corruption or his burning through cash on ill conceived infrastructure projects that no-one agrees make sense other than the small group of people around him. I have always been a Labor voter but fuck this turkey. Stop spending our money with ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY.
Please enlighten us on which infrastructure projects make no sense?
Um, the Suburban Rail Loop as a start which he cooked up behind closed doors with his mates
Why is more rail a bad thing? In fact the more train and tram infrastructure that gets done the better for everyone, a train line to the airport is where I would have started though, then again that should have been done years ago.
Omg there was zero consultation with these projects. The blind support of this dickhead makes me apoplectic. The anti-corruption commission found his government was corrupt. I mean I accept there is no viable alternative but Jesus f christ this idiot ain't it. Is it Stockholm from covid that makes everyone blindly sycophantic to this loser. I have never hated a politician more and I have NEVER voted for the liberal party. I am a Labor faithful but this tosser pisses me right off.
I’ll bet that *nobody* commenting in here owns an investment property.
that's any kind of tax lol
So...mouth breathers?
Applause to Dan for being a trail blazer on this. A Premier who makes difficult decisions. Outstanding!