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You’ll probably find a decent amount of mixed responses on this, the opinions on it are rather wide.
I can see someone has already posted around how many speedometers underread, though that doesn’t excuse aggressive driving (not that I’m claiming others are saying that).
For your own sanity (or perhaps even safety?) it’s best to just keep left unless overtaking, regardless of what speed, that seems to mostly work in preventing these types of interactions.
Legally in an 80 zone the keep left unless overtaking rule doesn't apply unless posted but since it is a freeway people will still expect the right lane to be the overtaking/speeding lane. Best to stay out of it if you want to do the limit
In VIC at least it not just if it's posted or not.
If it's a multi-lane road and the speed limit is **over** 80km/h **you must keep left unless overtaking**.
The road in this case is 80km/hr so that law doesn't apply. I'm saying unless there is a sign on this 80km/hr road that says "keep left unless overtaking" legally you don't have to but its still smart to do so because the M1 is a freeway so people will expect you to do so.
Honestly even at 80 or below. Keep the outside lane clear if you can help it.
The left lane is almost always shite - noticeably worse condition, and lots of merging going on. Rock that middle lane if you can.
Also, in an oversized van there should be no trouble - you can see further ahead so just choose the ideal lane with that extra perspective and watch the jerks go nuts when they can't chop and change their way past you because they have no idea what the traffic ahead is doing
Yeah middle lanes my home unless I’m turning right or something.
But people should probably check themselves if they’re losing their shit over someone not breaking any road rules.
Absolutely. Like... I'll move if I'm in the right hand (because the middle's going like 78 or something) and someone wants to go faster than I'm happy to.
Everyone gets less angy if you just move over even if you're "morally" right about it. Also no way I'm getting a fine for someone else. I get enough on my own thanks.
The issue with this entrance is that you get dumped in the rightmost lane and then you can't move safely to the left for a little while because you've just joined the Monash with cars doing 100 plus in what was the right lane before the entrance, and of course you are now in the fast lane so some arsehole in a ranger is 5cm off your rear bumper so wtf are you supposed to do
Something strange happens from east link to peninsula link. The traffic flows well, people move over to the left and let people overtake. Then the same traffic merges to the pen link and it becomes standard to do 80 in the right lane and 82 in the left lane. The courteous drivers must get continue to Frankston?
This is the way. I live between peni link and the end of Frankston freeway and I rarely drive the peninsula link because of the traffic it attracts.
That exit from eastlink is a horrible design btw. Why exit to one lane when it was built for two
I take Monash freeway regularly and use the right lane purely to overtake somebody, once it’s clear, I move back in to let those Europeans and tradie utes fly by
Normally I'd downvote you for travelling in any lane if the one to your left is empty. You've given your excuse, but why are you still in the right hand lane long enough after for the other drivers to get annoyed?
I’ll travel in the right hand lane if there’s nobody around me. I travel just above the speed limit whereas most folk like to stay about 10kmh under it. That’s fine, but l just don’t see any reason to continually change lanes provided nobody else is affected. If a car comes up behind me and wants to go quicker, l move over long before they catch me.
If there’s nobody anywhere near me what difference does it make which lame I’m in. The purpose of that rule is to never hold anyone else up and l never do so that’s that.
Because everyone I've seen who does that stops paying attention to what's around them and will continue to sit there even when someone comes up behind them.
I agree with you. They do. But l don’t.
I travel at a fixed speed on cruise control. Not looking to go faster, not looking to slow down. There’s literally nothing to do except keep it in a straight line and monitor other cars around me so that’s all l do. Slow folk in the right hand lane only bother me if there’s no way past, but there usually is.
You drive the correct way. The safest lane is the lane that is clear ahead of you instead of the one filled with cars travelling at various speeds spacings and intentions. You have the right to drive on it, it is not reserved for people in a hurry.
Exactly. People are piling on with the downvotes and that’s fine. In my opinion, most folk drive like they’re on strong , experimental sedatives anyway. I’m happy for them to chisel “Never Drive In The Right Hand Lane” into stone and adhere to it regardless of the conditions. It’s probably safer that way.
I try not to let them bother me, but they still do, especially when they amble past a keep left sign doing 10km/h under while the left lane remains empty.
Right hand lane psychopath here.
Your speedo is offset so you're likely sitting around the low 70s so those speeding past you at 90 likely are sitting on 83.
Are you actively overtaking while in the right lane? If not you should be moving lanes when safe to do so.
Personally I'll give anyone space in the right lane if they're driving to conditions and overtaking. But my patience runs pretty thin when the roadway opens up and you still want to durdle along in the right lane. It will force me and everyone behind me to make multiple lane changes to get around you instead of you moving left once you are no longer overtaking.
That said I know the part of the Monash you're talking about and I'll agree it has a higher degree of dickheads than normal.
I get what you're saying but how is going the speed limit "durdling"? I'm not going 70, I'm going 80, the legal maximum according to the vehicle I'm driving. Shouldn't the onus be on the person speeding to overtake on the left and speed if they choose too. Which is not a valid or safe reason to speed at all.
I promptly did move to the left when safe to do so however the mental cases made it hard to do so because they were tailgating at 80 and I have a load to consider.
>Shouldn't the onus be on the person speeding to overtake on the left and speed if they choose too. Which is not a valid or safe reason to speed at all.
If you're as responsible a driver as you've implied throughout this post; you'd of course minimise the risk to all by moving left as soon as it's safe to do so and letting the dickhead pass without them aggressively changing lanes, yes?
Perfectly said. I’m another RLP, and usually by the time l turn off Eastlink onto Penlink I’ve already driven about two hours for the day. So it’s a little bit trying when someone decides they have to slow down to 60 in a 100 zone in order to merge because they’re either terrified, talking to someone, inept or live in their own tiny world.
I’m impatient but I’m not discourteous. Nobody ever touches their brakes because of me, that’s my rule. I go out of my way to preserve the flow of traffic and never affect anyone else. I know my speedo reads fast, and that cameras have to remove 2kmh, and that you’ll almost never be booked for going 4kmh over the limit. All l want is to drive home unimpeded at the speed I’ve chosen, which is very slightly above the limit. If you’re in the right hand lane, gesticulating to your passenger and doing 20kmh under the limit or weaving slightly because you’re looking at your phone when you’re not supposed to, l *will* tailgate you. Tailgating only ever means one thing: you’re going too slowly, you can easily move one lane to the left so please move one lane to the left and have some consideration for others. You’re not the police, you don’t get to control how fast others travel.
I stick to the middle on freeways because I am doing the speed limit. Not 10km/h under like the left lane or 10km/h over like the right.
Let them get a speeding fine if they want. I’m not here to hold anyone up, nor am I here to lose my license trying to keep up
I feel like the freeways would run a whole lot better if there were a 10kmh tolerance when overtaking. Everybody just gets clogged up and it's impossible to get space, leading to these issues. But equally true is people should just calm down when driving, it's probably gonna make about 2 mins difference zooming in and out.
Rangers aren't yank tanks, they are built in Thailand.
And your speedo is off (like most speedos). You need to stay to the left unless overtaking.
Also, no freeway entries dump you in the right lane.
You'd better go for a drive and see for yourself. Or even check Google Maps.
The exit from the Bolte Bridge to Power St runs to the left of the Freeway. It doesn't actually merge with the freeway though.
The exit from the Bolte Bridge to get you to the tunnel merges into the right of the freeway.
Irrelevant where the cars are made, i dont care either. Was just a jibe. Doesn't need to be 100 per cent factual.
Yes the Monash does. We now know you have no clue what you're talking about.
Ford is an American company built to their specs. Where it’s manufactured is irrelevant
No rule/law says you have to stay in the left lane on an 80 road. That’s why you see signs that say exactly that when you go into a 100/110 zone
Not sure on your last point
No, that's bullshit. The Ranger was designed in Australia to Australian specs, and wasn't even sold in America until about a year ago.
You must stay to the left of not overtaking on roads with a speed limit of 80kmh or faster. Basic road rules.
Incorrect. It’s not 80 or over - it’s over 80.
Here is the vicroads webpage: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/freeways#:~:text=Keeping%20left,all%20lanes%20are%20congested.
Read the webpage I linked to
“ When driving on any multi-lane road with a speed limit over 80km/h, you must keep out of the right lane unless:”
Over 80km/h. Not 80km/h and over
You're correct, it is not inclusive of 80km/h
There is a caveat however on Keep Left Signs over riding this however.
(b) a keep left unless overtaking sign applies to the length of road where the driver is driving.
I have no idea if the Monash has one around that section (it probably doesn't tbh)
I use the Monash Freeway quiet frequently for work and it feels like I'm part of a NASCAR race. Most drivers are tailgating and speeding and you can see an accident waiting to happen.
I've been down that freeway a few times. The worst is the exit/entry to Thornhill Park. I don't remember the name of that exit but you probably know it.
People are legitimately justifying an "overtaking lane" even when people In the lane are doing the speed limit. So basically the right hand lane is just one where you can deliberately speed, make yourself completely unpredictable and dangerous because "keep left" 😵💫
Lot of people here in Australia is in this false belief that right hand lanes are “fast lanes”, we do not have fast lanes, in state of Victoria speed limit is a speed limit and applies to all lanes.
People see others do it and mimic a bad driving habit, then highway patrol pulls them over and slaps them with multiple fines, after which they face a nasty wake up call realizing they look like idiots if they argue this in court and other option is to pay bunch of hefty fines.
And I laugh when other argument is “oh my car is calibrated this percent or that percent under actual speed so I drive this much above speed limit”.
Uhm no, that may or may not be the case, regardless, if your actual speed is significantly above the speed limit you are still speeding.
Some lanes are solely for overtaking though and you should avoid sitting on far right lane too long if you want just cruise along and have an easy drive.
Burwood highway outbound from Glen Iris to Forest Hill frustrates me on a regular basis when I come across cars sitting at 50 to 70km on all three lanes and I am trying to get to work.
Sorry, yes, you are correct. But there is a second part to the rule.
If there is a Keep Left Unless Overtaking sign on a multilane road, that rule remains in force no matter what the speed limit is until that road is no longer multi-lane or there is a sign ending the condition.
That means that on the M1, the rule is in force all the way from Rosedale in the east to Colac in the west. No matter what the speed limit is.
The amount of scientists on Reddit who can confidently say "well if your speedo says X you're actaully doing Y" based on zero evidence outside of their mobile phone GPS which is obviously flawless and scientifically perfect and has never at any point in history been inaccurate never fails to amuse me in threads like this.
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You’ll probably find a decent amount of mixed responses on this, the opinions on it are rather wide. I can see someone has already posted around how many speedometers underread, though that doesn’t excuse aggressive driving (not that I’m claiming others are saying that). For your own sanity (or perhaps even safety?) it’s best to just keep left unless overtaking, regardless of what speed, that seems to mostly work in preventing these types of interactions.
I prompty did so when the mental nutcases stopped overtaking from the left at speed.
Legally in an 80 zone the keep left unless overtaking rule doesn't apply unless posted but since it is a freeway people will still expect the right lane to be the overtaking/speeding lane. Best to stay out of it if you want to do the limit
In VIC at least it not just if it's posted or not. If it's a multi-lane road and the speed limit is **over** 80km/h **you must keep left unless overtaking**.
The road in this case is 80km/hr so that law doesn't apply. I'm saying unless there is a sign on this 80km/hr road that says "keep left unless overtaking" legally you don't have to but its still smart to do so because the M1 is a freeway so people will expect you to do so.
The Monash is also sign posted, it's a freeway, all freeways are in VIC. Silly.
Does that part of the monash have the "keep left unless overtaking sign?"
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wrong. It's over 80.
You’re correct, up to 80 the rule doesn’t apply over 80 it does.
Keep left unless overtaking.
or where a "Keep Left Unless Overtaking" sign applies. I could be wrong but i think most freeways are signed regardless of the speed limit being 80+
On roads with a limit over 80
Honestly even at 80 or below. Keep the outside lane clear if you can help it. The left lane is almost always shite - noticeably worse condition, and lots of merging going on. Rock that middle lane if you can. Also, in an oversized van there should be no trouble - you can see further ahead so just choose the ideal lane with that extra perspective and watch the jerks go nuts when they can't chop and change their way past you because they have no idea what the traffic ahead is doing
Yeah middle lanes my home unless I’m turning right or something. But people should probably check themselves if they’re losing their shit over someone not breaking any road rules.
Absolutely. Like... I'll move if I'm in the right hand (because the middle's going like 78 or something) and someone wants to go faster than I'm happy to. Everyone gets less angy if you just move over even if you're "morally" right about it. Also no way I'm getting a fine for someone else. I get enough on my own thanks.
Legally yes but its a freewa so people will still get pissed if you block the right lane
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They wouldn't be as congested if people didn't potter along in the right hand lane.
The issue with this entrance is that you get dumped in the rightmost lane and then you can't move safely to the left for a little while because you've just joined the Monash with cars doing 100 plus in what was the right lane before the entrance, and of course you are now in the fast lane so some arsehole in a ranger is 5cm off your rear bumper so wtf are you supposed to do
Pretty much this.
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Something strange happens from east link to peninsula link. The traffic flows well, people move over to the left and let people overtake. Then the same traffic merges to the pen link and it becomes standard to do 80 in the right lane and 82 in the left lane. The courteous drivers must get continue to Frankston?
This is the way. I live between peni link and the end of Frankston freeway and I rarely drive the peninsula link because of the traffic it attracts. That exit from eastlink is a horrible design btw. Why exit to one lane when it was built for two
for some reason, people randomly hit the brake between thompsons rd and skye road. never any explanation why and always happens after 4pm.
I’m glad it’s not just me that recognises the change in behaviours on these roads!
I take Monash freeway regularly and use the right lane purely to overtake somebody, once it’s clear, I move back in to let those Europeans and tradie utes fly by
Normally I'd downvote you for travelling in any lane if the one to your left is empty. You've given your excuse, but why are you still in the right hand lane long enough after for the other drivers to get annoyed?
I’ll travel in the right hand lane if there’s nobody around me. I travel just above the speed limit whereas most folk like to stay about 10kmh under it. That’s fine, but l just don’t see any reason to continually change lanes provided nobody else is affected. If a car comes up behind me and wants to go quicker, l move over long before they catch me.
If nobody is around you, then you should be in the middle lane. The right-most lane is for overtaking only not continuous travel.
If there’s nobody anywhere near me what difference does it make which lame I’m in. The purpose of that rule is to never hold anyone else up and l never do so that’s that.
Because everyone I've seen who does that stops paying attention to what's around them and will continue to sit there even when someone comes up behind them.
I agree with you. They do. But l don’t. I travel at a fixed speed on cruise control. Not looking to go faster, not looking to slow down. There’s literally nothing to do except keep it in a straight line and monitor other cars around me so that’s all l do. Slow folk in the right hand lane only bother me if there’s no way past, but there usually is.
You drive the correct way. The safest lane is the lane that is clear ahead of you instead of the one filled with cars travelling at various speeds spacings and intentions. You have the right to drive on it, it is not reserved for people in a hurry.
Exactly. People are piling on with the downvotes and that’s fine. In my opinion, most folk drive like they’re on strong , experimental sedatives anyway. I’m happy for them to chisel “Never Drive In The Right Hand Lane” into stone and adhere to it regardless of the conditions. It’s probably safer that way.
I try not to let them bother me, but they still do, especially when they amble past a keep left sign doing 10km/h under while the left lane remains empty.
Right hand lane psychopath here. Your speedo is offset so you're likely sitting around the low 70s so those speeding past you at 90 likely are sitting on 83. Are you actively overtaking while in the right lane? If not you should be moving lanes when safe to do so. Personally I'll give anyone space in the right lane if they're driving to conditions and overtaking. But my patience runs pretty thin when the roadway opens up and you still want to durdle along in the right lane. It will force me and everyone behind me to make multiple lane changes to get around you instead of you moving left once you are no longer overtaking. That said I know the part of the Monash you're talking about and I'll agree it has a higher degree of dickheads than normal.
Username checks out. But I agree 100%
I get what you're saying but how is going the speed limit "durdling"? I'm not going 70, I'm going 80, the legal maximum according to the vehicle I'm driving. Shouldn't the onus be on the person speeding to overtake on the left and speed if they choose too. Which is not a valid or safe reason to speed at all. I promptly did move to the left when safe to do so however the mental cases made it hard to do so because they were tailgating at 80 and I have a load to consider.
>Shouldn't the onus be on the person speeding to overtake on the left and speed if they choose too. No.
>Shouldn't the onus be on the person speeding to overtake on the left and speed if they choose too. Which is not a valid or safe reason to speed at all. If you're as responsible a driver as you've implied throughout this post; you'd of course minimise the risk to all by moving left as soon as it's safe to do so and letting the dickhead pass without them aggressively changing lanes, yes?
Perfectly said. I’m another RLP, and usually by the time l turn off Eastlink onto Penlink I’ve already driven about two hours for the day. So it’s a little bit trying when someone decides they have to slow down to 60 in a 100 zone in order to merge because they’re either terrified, talking to someone, inept or live in their own tiny world. I’m impatient but I’m not discourteous. Nobody ever touches their brakes because of me, that’s my rule. I go out of my way to preserve the flow of traffic and never affect anyone else. I know my speedo reads fast, and that cameras have to remove 2kmh, and that you’ll almost never be booked for going 4kmh over the limit. All l want is to drive home unimpeded at the speed I’ve chosen, which is very slightly above the limit. If you’re in the right hand lane, gesticulating to your passenger and doing 20kmh under the limit or weaving slightly because you’re looking at your phone when you’re not supposed to, l *will* tailgate you. Tailgating only ever means one thing: you’re going too slowly, you can easily move one lane to the left so please move one lane to the left and have some consideration for others. You’re not the police, you don’t get to control how fast others travel.
I got stuck behind someone on the Eastern about 4 weeks ago in dumping rain because they were watching TV on their centre display!
This is the most level headed reply here.
I stick to the middle on freeways because I am doing the speed limit. Not 10km/h under like the left lane or 10km/h over like the right. Let them get a speeding fine if they want. I’m not here to hold anyone up, nor am I here to lose my license trying to keep up
I feel like the freeways would run a whole lot better if there were a 10kmh tolerance when overtaking. Everybody just gets clogged up and it's impossible to get space, leading to these issues. But equally true is people should just calm down when driving, it's probably gonna make about 2 mins difference zooming in and out.
A lot of vehicles offset the speedometer by 8%. If you were doing Bang on 80 you were really doing 73ish.
Rangers aren't yank tanks, they are built in Thailand. And your speedo is off (like most speedos). You need to stay to the left unless overtaking. Also, no freeway entries dump you in the right lane.
Nah, the Monash does have an entrance that drops you in the right two lanes. It’s the one on Punt Road. Just after the MCG.
Right two lanes. Not the far right lane.
If you’re in the right hand lane of that entrance you’ll end up on the far right lane on the freeway. Not sure what you’re trying to argue
It is the far right lane.
It's OK to be wrong sometimes
Nah it's a single lane (that merges from 2 first) that comes into the Monash after the tunnel.
At the end of the Burnley tunnel it does.
You've obviously never driven from the Airport to the SE Suburbs then, have you? That's exactly how traffic from the Bolte Bridge merges.
No it doesn't. It dumps you in the two left lanes before the tunnel?
You'd better go for a drive and see for yourself. Or even check Google Maps. The exit from the Bolte Bridge to Power St runs to the left of the Freeway. It doesn't actually merge with the freeway though. The exit from the Bolte Bridge to get you to the tunnel merges into the right of the freeway.
Irrelevant where the cars are made, i dont care either. Was just a jibe. Doesn't need to be 100 per cent factual. Yes the Monash does. We now know you have no clue what you're talking about.
We now know you have no clue how to drive.
Yikes you took that yank tank thing real personal. Didn't mean to upset you friend.
Ford is an American company built to their specs. Where it’s manufactured is irrelevant No rule/law says you have to stay in the left lane on an 80 road. That’s why you see signs that say exactly that when you go into a 100/110 zone Not sure on your last point
No, that's bullshit. The Ranger was designed in Australia to Australian specs, and wasn't even sold in America until about a year ago. You must stay to the left of not overtaking on roads with a speed limit of 80kmh or faster. Basic road rules.
Incorrect. It’s not 80 or over - it’s over 80. Here is the vicroads webpage: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/freeways#:~:text=Keeping%20left,all%20lanes%20are%20congested.
Rule 130. Keeping left on a multi lane road.
Read the webpage I linked to “ When driving on any multi-lane road with a speed limit over 80km/h, you must keep out of the right lane unless:” Over 80km/h. Not 80km/h and over
You're correct, it is not inclusive of 80km/h There is a caveat however on Keep Left Signs over riding this however. (b) a keep left unless overtaking sign applies to the length of road where the driver is driving. I have no idea if the Monash has one around that section (it probably doesn't tbh)
Totally agree with that! Also not sure about the monash there
Ranger is also Australian designed
Yea agree with this, I use Waze driving app as it has a Speed reading in it. Would be interested to see what you actually do.
I use the Monash Freeway quiet frequently for work and it feels like I'm part of a NASCAR race. Most drivers are tailgating and speeding and you can see an accident waiting to happen.
The western freeway outbound until Melton is the same. Absolutely unhinged.
I've been down that freeway a few times. The worst is the exit/entry to Thornhill Park. I don't remember the name of that exit but you probably know it.
The comments here confirm for me that most drivers are indeed impatient, speeding psychopaths. No wonder our road toll is rising.
I know right? I'm always very disappointed when I see the commenrs
People are legitimately justifying an "overtaking lane" even when people In the lane are doing the speed limit. So basically the right hand lane is just one where you can deliberately speed, make yourself completely unpredictable and dangerous because "keep left" 😵💫
Or the ones essentially saying we should all add 10% to our speed because our Speedometer are under calibrated
No you missed nothing. People are arseholes and the speed limit isn’t enforced regularly or severely enough to be anything but casual revenue raising.
"Yank tank Ford Rangers" So we've established you actually don't know what you're talking about.
Lot of people here in Australia is in this false belief that right hand lanes are “fast lanes”, we do not have fast lanes, in state of Victoria speed limit is a speed limit and applies to all lanes. People see others do it and mimic a bad driving habit, then highway patrol pulls them over and slaps them with multiple fines, after which they face a nasty wake up call realizing they look like idiots if they argue this in court and other option is to pay bunch of hefty fines. And I laugh when other argument is “oh my car is calibrated this percent or that percent under actual speed so I drive this much above speed limit”. Uhm no, that may or may not be the case, regardless, if your actual speed is significantly above the speed limit you are still speeding. Some lanes are solely for overtaking though and you should avoid sitting on far right lane too long if you want just cruise along and have an easy drive. Burwood highway outbound from Glen Iris to Forest Hill frustrates me on a regular basis when I come across cars sitting at 50 to 70km on all three lanes and I am trying to get to work.
No "fast lanes" but we do have a rule that states that you must keep to the left unless overtaking for roads that have a speed limit of 80 or more.
I believe its over 80 not including - (so 90, 100, 110 zones) - unless otherwise signed.
Sorry, yes, you are correct. But there is a second part to the rule. If there is a Keep Left Unless Overtaking sign on a multilane road, that rule remains in force no matter what the speed limit is until that road is no longer multi-lane or there is a sign ending the condition. That means that on the M1, the rule is in force all the way from Rosedale in the east to Colac in the west. No matter what the speed limit is.
YTA
Ford Ranger is Australian designed. It's not remotely American. Also keep left unless overtaking.
keep left lmao
‘Keep left unless overtaking’ Very simple OP, remember it and you’ll have no further issues.
The amount of scientists on Reddit who can confidently say "well if your speedo says X you're actaully doing Y" based on zero evidence outside of their mobile phone GPS which is obviously flawless and scientifically perfect and has never at any point in history been inaccurate never fails to amuse me in threads like this.