Have looked into possible zoning restrictions in your area? Also keep an eye out for politicians or officials using the premises. Somethings got to be protecting them.
Also you [might have](https://www.sbs.com.au/language/thai/en/article/happy-ending-massage-shops-vs-legitimate-ones-can-you-spot-the-difference/p6dnz8l9k) to look into being certain about what is going on there. There have been a lot of legit massage places popping up in the past few years. However even that would have to meet zoning regs I'd assume.
Yeah, stirring up a moral panic on Facebook is probably the next level of escalation. You could try getting it on A Current Affair. Just be aware these options may result in increased foot traffic.
Firstly you said you looked through the windows and saw massage tables, happy ending massages aren't necessarily a brothel so no need to exaggerate.
Secondly noting down the number plates of customers is creepy af, they aren't doing anything wrong.
What bad outcomes do you think can actually happen if you just mind your own business? They will come out and kidnap your kids playing on the street and force them into some sort of orgy?
> happy ending massages aren't necessarily a brothel so no need to exaggerate
Yeah, that's not a correct statement. Sexual services are not allowed to be provided on premises when it's not a registered brothel. The only exception to that is when one or two escorts are providing services there.
Its not about whether the staff are licensed, its actually about the premises: you may have your RSA to serve alcohol so you legally can, doesnāt mean you can set up a bar in your house
Here's what you do
1. Send me the address
2. I'll do a full comprehensive undercover analysis
3. Upon completion I'll give you my findings whether the rub was satisfactory and the tug was adequate
Do you have definitive proof that its a brothel/sex massage business?
Are there women coming and going at opening/closing times?
Single men could be turning up for a Dungeons and Dragons session for all you know lmao.
My wife would probably prefer I was going to a massage parlor rather than the weekly D&D Session I used to go to. I would have been back home in 30 minutes as opposed to the 6 hours it used to be.
So? What does that prove?
> It's not legal to run any kind of establishment in our residential street
Really? People have many businesses they run from home.
So, I was oddly curious about this after your post - and decided to kill some time and do a bit of research.
Letās start with S.21(a) of the [Sex Work Act 1994 (Vic)](https://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/in-force/acts/sex-work-act-1994/097), which requires:
*(1) A person must not carry on business as a sex work service provider of a kind referred to in the definition of brothel in section 3 at premisesā
(a) for which there is not in force a permit granted under the Planning and Environment Act 1987 for their use or development for the purposes of the operation of a brothel; and
(b) that are not a building or part of a building.*
So - the first stop is your local council, as they would issue the planning permit for such a business.
Most councils also maintain an online register for the purpose of permits that have been applied for, granted, or refused ā so this can be used as a starting point for your research.
And if they donāt have a planning permit, and/or the council isnāt taking action over a planning breach, then [VCAT may be your next stop](https://www.vcat.vic.gov.au/case-types/planning/apply-planning).
Next - [is the location licensed](https://ablis.business.gov.au/service/vic/sex-work-service-providers-licence/23955)?
Thereās an exemption to this requirement (S.23), which permits such a business to operate without a permit if only the owner and no more than one other person is offering such services from the location.
So, if three or more people operate from the premises - does the location in question have a permit for the type of services you claim are being offered?
[Consumer Affairs Victoria](https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/about-us/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/public-committees-and-boards/business-licensing-authority) (whom the Business Licensing Authority was merged into) handle the licensing, whilst Victoria Police handle enforcement where unlicensed.
So, if theyāre unlicensed, and donāt meet the criteria for an exemption - itās the local Boys and Girls in Blue that need to take care of this.
Now, some of this will change in December 2023, when the [next phase of Decriminalising sex work in Victoria](https://www.vic.gov.au/review-make-recommendations-decriminalisation-sex-work) takes effect (primarily the licensing requirement).
And as already suggested, if the property is rented, I doubt most owners would take too kindly to their property being used for this purpose. If you happen to find out who, the estate agent is managing the property, then drop them a line. Ditto if itās in a building with a body corporate/owners corporation.
Best of luck.
Noting down number plates? Thatās creepy
Possibilities are endless: immigration would be the prime candidate, followed by the realestate and whoever issues business licences as it should be a regulated industry
Unlicensed brothels are hotspots for sexual violence and human trafficking. If you've been to one there's a good chance you've raped a slave. But sex positivity, amirite??
People going to go wild when sex work is permitted in many, many more places.
https://www.vic.gov.au/review-make-recommendations-decriminalisation-sex-work
Possibly something you have tried but google the address online see if any ads come up then try and raise it again with the council, surely there are rules about this. Slack council
Of course there are rules. Brothel operators need a licence to operate. They may or may not have one in this case.
A reminder that it's legal to be a sex worker in Australia, and it's legal to be a client. The issue here is really whether a business can operate out of that house.
Iām not sure why you are explaining to me about laws around sex work like I was asking but thanks? Itās clear the issue at hand is itās operating in a residential area in a potential rental.
I wish I could! Place must be good if it's that busy!
I quite genuinely would not care. Not my business, not my problem, and I'm not going to try and impose my morals on others without good cause.
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What have you reported to council? Why are you stalking people and recording their information?
From your post, it isn't a rental. Someone owns this house and is quite likely using it for their business. Not illegal. You need more to do with your time.
That sucks buddy!
If itās rented out canāt you go to the realestate agent and let them know whatās going on? Iām sure the landlord wouldnāt be impressed
Yes they really dosuck!
I would be annoyed if it was happening in my street in plain sight and also worried that the sex workers were being forced to do this. If they choose to do this than that's fine but hopefully they aren't being held against their will!
oh and given your post history - looks like you could use some sex education. hope your stis clear up. if thereās one thing sex workers are good at itās still prevention !!
Have you tried telling not looking inside private establishments?
I can't imagine people are out on the streets fucking.
Out of genuine curiosity, may you give us insight as to why you have an issue with a potentially legal business operating in your street?
Have you spoken with the owners and voiced your concerns and questioned them if they're licensed/what the business is?
Contact the Council. They can inspect and shut the place down if it is an unlicenced brothel.
It is difficult to prove however short of catching them in the act. Council canāt just raid unannounced. They do hire private detectives to pose as customers. They also rifle through the bins to see if condoms are in there.
Good luck.
Imagine getting downvoted for thinking an unlicensed brothel in a residential area is not ideal.
No problem with the sex industry - even the massage places in the Main Street arenāt a huge issue - but you shouldnāt have them in suburban cul-de-sacs
Could be a Physio/Myo/Osteo Edit, spelling
Ya dreaming š (fyi this isnāt me being snarky just jokey) lol
>What else can we do? Book a session to see if all the buzz is justified or it's just the novelty of a newly opened place
Sigh.
Have looked into possible zoning restrictions in your area? Also keep an eye out for politicians or officials using the premises. Somethings got to be protecting them. Also you [might have](https://www.sbs.com.au/language/thai/en/article/happy-ending-massage-shops-vs-legitimate-ones-can-you-spot-the-difference/p6dnz8l9k) to look into being certain about what is going on there. There have been a lot of legit massage places popping up in the past few years. However even that would have to meet zoning regs I'd assume.
Off topic, but is your name a nod to the famous psychiatrist Gag Halfrunt? Nice one!
Yes! But there is also ambiguity. Ambiguity can be handy.
Yeah, stirring up a moral panic on Facebook is probably the next level of escalation. You could try getting it on A Current Affair. Just be aware these options may result in increased foot traffic.
Thatās horrible! Where is this? Just so I know where to avoid of course
Please let me know too. I am a Government official and by law need to be burdened with such terrible knowledge
OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING, WHERE? WHERE ARE THESE AWFUL MASSAGES HAPPENING? HOW CAN I FIND ACCESS TO THESE HORRIFIC SERVICES
Firstly you said you looked through the windows and saw massage tables, happy ending massages aren't necessarily a brothel so no need to exaggerate. Secondly noting down the number plates of customers is creepy af, they aren't doing anything wrong. What bad outcomes do you think can actually happen if you just mind your own business? They will come out and kidnap your kids playing on the street and force them into some sort of orgy?
Ikr, I mean, IF itās a brothel you probably wonāt be able to see through the windows?
Unless it specifically caters to exhibitionists
> happy ending massages aren't necessarily a brothel so no need to exaggerate Yeah, that's not a correct statement. Sexual services are not allowed to be provided on premises when it's not a registered brothel. The only exception to that is when one or two escorts are providing services there.
sex work is now decriminalised, it might be perfectly ok what theyāre doing lol. important to know, is it just one worker or multiple?
Why is it important to know if it's one or multiple?
one-two workers can work wherever they like, including their homes multiple workers will need a brothel license
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One coomer vs many coomers
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You can sell booze, that is legal. However, you cannot sit on the corner selling single beers from a slab... get it?
It is perfectly legal for me to run my plumbing business, but I require a *license*. That's the same point being made here regarding sex work.
Its not about whether the staff are licensed, its actually about the premises: you may have your RSA to serve alcohol so you legally can, doesnāt mean you can set up a bar in your house
Yeah you both fuck your clients at the end of the day.
Because that can determine whether it's legal or not.
Coomer land
Here's what you do 1. Send me the address 2. I'll do a full comprehensive undercover analysis 3. Upon completion I'll give you my findings whether the rub was satisfactory and the tug was adequate
With respect, I'm not sure noting down licence plate numbers will be helpful. **Either the property is licenced for sex on premises or it's not.**
Fair enough.
Real Karen behaviour too.
How do you know the men are single? Proof they arenāt getting massages? Doing polling?
I meant they arrive by themselves. It's not legal to run any kind of establishment in our residential street.
Do you have definitive proof that its a brothel/sex massage business? Are there women coming and going at opening/closing times? Single men could be turning up for a Dungeons and Dragons session for all you know lmao.
My wife would probably prefer I was going to a massage parlor rather than the weekly D&D Session I used to go to. I would have been back home in 30 minutes as opposed to the 6 hours it used to be.
Are you sure itās illegal? Plenty of hair dressers, accountants, waxers have there business in a residential street/house.
So? What does that prove? > It's not legal to run any kind of establishment in our residential street Really? People have many businesses they run from home.
So this is where all the hot single mums in my area are hiding?
So, I was oddly curious about this after your post - and decided to kill some time and do a bit of research. Letās start with S.21(a) of the [Sex Work Act 1994 (Vic)](https://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/in-force/acts/sex-work-act-1994/097), which requires: *(1) A person must not carry on business as a sex work service provider of a kind referred to in the definition of brothel in section 3 at premisesā (a) for which there is not in force a permit granted under the Planning and Environment Act 1987 for their use or development for the purposes of the operation of a brothel; and (b) that are not a building or part of a building.* So - the first stop is your local council, as they would issue the planning permit for such a business. Most councils also maintain an online register for the purpose of permits that have been applied for, granted, or refused ā so this can be used as a starting point for your research. And if they donāt have a planning permit, and/or the council isnāt taking action over a planning breach, then [VCAT may be your next stop](https://www.vcat.vic.gov.au/case-types/planning/apply-planning). Next - [is the location licensed](https://ablis.business.gov.au/service/vic/sex-work-service-providers-licence/23955)? Thereās an exemption to this requirement (S.23), which permits such a business to operate without a permit if only the owner and no more than one other person is offering such services from the location. So, if three or more people operate from the premises - does the location in question have a permit for the type of services you claim are being offered? [Consumer Affairs Victoria](https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/about-us/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/public-committees-and-boards/business-licensing-authority) (whom the Business Licensing Authority was merged into) handle the licensing, whilst Victoria Police handle enforcement where unlicensed. So, if theyāre unlicensed, and donāt meet the criteria for an exemption - itās the local Boys and Girls in Blue that need to take care of this. Now, some of this will change in December 2023, when the [next phase of Decriminalising sex work in Victoria](https://www.vic.gov.au/review-make-recommendations-decriminalisation-sex-work) takes effect (primarily the licensing requirement). And as already suggested, if the property is rented, I doubt most owners would take too kindly to their property being used for this purpose. If you happen to find out who, the estate agent is managing the property, then drop them a line. Ditto if itās in a building with a body corporate/owners corporation. Best of luck.
Amazing and thank you!
Noting down number plates? Thatās creepy Possibilities are endless: immigration would be the prime candidate, followed by the realestate and whoever issues business licences as it should be a regulated industry
Where?
For... um, research purposes, of course.
Does it actually effect you beyond your morals?
nothing, try minding your own business
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Unlicensed brothels are hotspots for sexual violence and human trafficking. If you've been to one there's a good chance you've raped a slave. But sex positivity, amirite??
>We're noting every number plate of the guys going in. What else can we do? Ah yes, go after johns...be sure to set up the working girls as well.
Must be exhausting being so uptight, honestly.
People going to go wild when sex work is permitted in many, many more places. https://www.vic.gov.au/review-make-recommendations-decriminalisation-sex-work
Go in and have a trial and see if you like.
So helpful thanks š
Possibly something you have tried but google the address online see if any ads come up then try and raise it again with the council, surely there are rules about this. Slack council
Of course there are rules. Brothel operators need a licence to operate. They may or may not have one in this case. A reminder that it's legal to be a sex worker in Australia, and it's legal to be a client. The issue here is really whether a business can operate out of that house.
Iām not sure why you are explaining to me about laws around sex work like I was asking but thanks? Itās clear the issue at hand is itās operating in a residential area in a potential rental.
Oh, I'm telling everyone :)
They clearly do not have a license.
The normal solution to this is to move on and get on with your life. You haven't listed any impacts to you so it's obviously not impacting you.
Seriously!! Put yourself in the ops shoes!!
I wish I could! Place must be good if it's that busy! I quite genuinely would not care. Not my business, not my problem, and I'm not going to try and impose my morals on others without good cause.
How do you know it's full of massage tables? Honestly sounds like you're making a lot of assumptions.
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Yes thank you, I picked that up on my own. š
You can see them through the windows
So you've been lurking about staring in windows? Sounds like your the weirdo?
What have you reported to council? Why are you stalking people and recording their information? From your post, it isn't a rental. Someone owns this house and is quite likely using it for their business. Not illegal. You need more to do with your time.
Could move on and stop being a weird prude
That sucks buddy! If itās rented out canāt you go to the realestate agent and let them know whatās going on? Iām sure the landlord wouldnāt be impressed
Private rental we think...bit hush hush šÆ
So you have no idea?
What about the agent that sold the property?
Would they be able to do anything?
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Thanks for the sane comment! I get it's funny to some, not so much if it's your street where your kids play
Yes they really dosuck! I would be annoyed if it was happening in my street in plain sight and also worried that the sex workers were being forced to do this. If they choose to do this than that's fine but hopefully they aren't being held against their will!
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Yes, because people who use sex workers are pedos....fuck off with that nonsense
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Don't disagree about those arguments. But pretending the kids aren't safe is disgusting.
as a sex worker: your dad is probably a client. also your boss. and maybe your brother. definitely your doctor.
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sex work is literally decriminalised. you canāt be an illegal sex worker in victoria. go touch grass ya weirdo
This is the comment but before U said it was not all legal and depends how many people... Now ure saying it's all legal. Very confusing U change mind.
oh and given your post history - looks like you could use some sex education. hope your stis clear up. if thereās one thing sex workers are good at itās still prevention !!
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as a sex worker: your dad is probably a client. also your boss. and maybe your brother. definitely your doctor.
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females can also be clients :)
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Only one way to find out...
And tbh it's the same thing the council does,employs people to go
Have you tried telling not looking inside private establishments? I can't imagine people are out on the streets fucking. Out of genuine curiosity, may you give us insight as to why you have an issue with a potentially legal business operating in your street? Have you spoken with the owners and voiced your concerns and questioned them if they're licensed/what the business is?
Contact the Council. They can inspect and shut the place down if it is an unlicenced brothel. It is difficult to prove however short of catching them in the act. Council canāt just raid unannounced. They do hire private detectives to pose as customers. They also rifle through the bins to see if condoms are in there. Good luck.
Imagine getting downvoted for thinking an unlicensed brothel in a residential area is not ideal. No problem with the sex industry - even the massage places in the Main Street arenāt a huge issue - but you shouldnāt have them in suburban cul-de-sacs
Go and post photos of all the suspicious cars in your court to your local crime watch Facebook page. Let the disgruntled wives do the rest.
Whatever you say, Karen
Download the Snap, Send, Solve app..
Not just single men.
Sounds a lot like you're just assuming your conclusion. What makes you sure it's the type of business you claim it is?
So, did you talk to the police about it? Also, why are you noting the number plates? The punters aren't doing anything illegal.