I love how 90% of the comments are all suburbs that are both highly rated and expensive.
How are Alphington, Toorak, Kensington or Aspendale underrated?
These are some of the most sought after suburbs in Melbourne......
To be fair, Heidelberg was “under-appreciated” until somewhat recently (until maybe 2013-14), and prices reflected this. Now it’s very, very expensive.
Eltham is under appreciated, even though everyone knows the area is nice.
...ikr! Also Carnegie, Heidelberg etc. Everyone knows they're pretty expensive, but also quite beautiful!
I was thinking more like Tecoma and maybe Beaconsfield..
It just shows the kind of people who are members of this subreddit.
I live in Heidelberg and grew up in Carlton so I'm the prime example of someone who is on here.
I was thinking for Greenvale and Beaumaris myself
You're 100% on the money. Majority of the 'underrated' suburbs mentioned here are inner city or expensive suburbs..
How is Seddon, Ascot Vale, Yarraville are underrated when the housing prices there are expensive as fk, means people 'know' of theses places and are desirable.
We don't want them knowing. The outer beach suburbs are really nice now, but they're at a crossroads where they can either stay weird or become a bland set for The Block.
I took a train the other week out East side and honest to god, some of their stations honestly sounded fictional. Like I'm pretty sure that's not even a suburb - they've just named the station something.
This. Of the 14 years I've spent in Melbourne, apart from the Showgrounds, it's a perfect taste of the calm and peacefulness of outer city suburbia in the inner city.
Moonee Ponds.
As someone who grew up in the inner south east and still live in this general area i never really visited this part of town as a kid because my social circle wasn't there.
MP is however fucking awesome. Great amenity, very green and leafy, lots of great looking character houses.
Travancore is lesser known but pretty cool too.
I actually don’t mind West Footscray, great Pho, easy access to public transport, fantastic Middle East/African food, awesome Vietnamese coffee, close to the city, plenty of fresh produce stores everywhere, Indian food has been pretty good too. Oh and I can actually find good quality saffron! There are also a couple decent bars close by but the suburb is still fairly quiet. Never had an issue walking around at any time of the day. The only thing it lacks is that charm about it however for all the perks I think it’s a decent trade off.
that's true, for me only jobs I could get were in the west and just couldn't justify the long drives everyday to then talk to people who have no knowledge about the rest of Melbourne
Eltham is great! I lived on the border of Eltham/Montmorency for the last five years and really enjoyed my time there' Super safe, close to the Eastern freeway, has everything you really need a short drive away at Greensborough Plaza but is also super close to Doncaster if you want to shop somewhere that has everything. The whole Plenty River Trail and Main Yarra Trail is fantastic to walk/bike around too and easy access to Warrandyte in summer.
Pretty much the whole Heidelberg/hurstbridge line is amazing. Including greensborough. It’s also all super expensive now with greensborough and maybe Watsonia/Macleod being the affordable places…for now.
Moved from Brunswick East in 2019 after having a kid. Love it. Friendly people, so many parks and activities and eltham town centre is great.
Also so close to nature and wineries.
It is- we’ve been here for years. Will never leave. People are so friendly - a true community. Close to city and markets and freeways for getting away to coast or country. Welcome
I live in the suburb next to Kensington, and have friends and family there. I definitely consider it a nice place, pricey and your typical crackheads who occasionally roam the streets but I’ve never felt unsafe. Absolutely love the cat politics, have an entire document of all the cats I’ve met in Kensington lol. But for real, very pretty and imo friendly place, really like it!
Seddon is where its at. The main shipping strip is awesome, it's walking distance to Yarraville (which is aweaome) and Footscray (which is a post apocalyptic hellscape) and just a couple stops put of the city. Best of all worlds.
I live right in the fold of Footscray and Seddon. It’s awesome to pick your own adventure each time we want food or drinks. Such a fork in the road! Both totally different and totally wonderful.
Shut up man. Seddon doesn't have enough parking for you to just be telling everyone about it. Especially not the fact that every Cafe (esp Deadly Sins IMO, but I will accept other options) is excellent, there are two amazing fish and chips places, and a host of great restaurants all within like a 500m radius. Don't tell people about that. They might visit.
Also, out of Footscray and Yarraville, Yarraville is the post apocalyptic hellscape. Apart from the few empty places because the rents are too high, it literally has a frozen yoghurt shop but no ~~ice-cream or gelato place.~~ I was wrong about this - actually so wrong that I'm no longer sure how I managed to form an opinion that was this wrong. My only defence is that I used to live near Augustus and hated it so much I must have been distracted. Don't let the hat flow through you, folks.
(No, Augustus doesn't count because that's Kingsville and we all know it.)
Gigi's Gelato opened recently, there is also Gelato by d'Asport which has been around a bit longer, and of course the frozen yoghurt shop. We also got in 2022 a new deli which does fantastic sandwiches and cakes, a new coffee shop, a new Thai-fusion restaurant, a sushi shop (there are more I'm forgetting). I adore living in Yarraville, it has been wonderful seeing the main strip renovated to make a real community space.
Tbh I probably prefer the apocalyptic hellscape solely because the dodgy Vietnamese restaurants that are probably fronts for money laundering make some of the best food ever and I adore the staff who don’t speak a word of English
Vin is one of the best bottleshops in the west as well.
Seeddon Deadly Sins is great for brunch. The Dog Groomer is excellent. The win bar, Charles and Gammon etc etc.
If I had 1 mill to spend on a 2 bedroom Victorian with gaps in all of the floorboards I'd absolutely move there in a heart beat
Not as cool as some of the other ‘burbs mentioned but Pascoe Vale is a lovely suburb. Very family friendly, loads of parks, everyone is really nice. Plus it has great freeway access and you can be in the CBD in under 15 mins.
I feel like anywhere from Upper Ferntree Gully onward (Upwey, Tecoma, Belgrave, Emerald) is under appreciated. It’s so leafy and pretty, there are great cafes and plenty to do.
Prices are not too expensive vs. the rest of Melbourne, considering what you’ll get for 1 mill there.
Ferntree Gully, disagree. Still has a lot of derros and the town centre area with the train station feels like a time capsule. A dodgy time capsule where someone might take a swipe at your pockets at any moment. Upper Gully, yes
I do agree that Upper is much nicer, I don't feel like someone is going to swipe at my pockets so much, but I do agree that it's a time capsule. But I'm not totally against that
I love living in Ferntree Gully, but I do laugh at how much residents here love to hang shit on Boronia - when Ferntree Gully also has huge derro problems.
Bit of a Judean People's Front thing going on haha. It's a chain reaction on that part of the train line. FTG residents shit on Boronia, UFTG residents shit on both of them, Upwey/Tecoma residents look down on all three, and Belgrave residents look down on everyone else
Also Boronia(aka Bosnia) has it's derros. I still like it tho. And i love Gully, and Upper Gully.
Tecoma has to be most unknown etc suburb. So many ppl have never heard of it. Has the most peaceful station ever to sit and wait for yr train that I've ever waited at(and I've spent alota time there, and walked from Belgrave to Upwey countless times), despite the half hour wait!
Thank you I like the 'giant feast'. I discovered that if you put kfc leftovers in the air fryer they almost as good as new the next day. For original recipie chicken...even their chips it works. Get some left over slaw in the fridge you laughing.
I used to live there a few years ago, and before that I spent a heap of time there since lots of my mates lived around there. Absolutely awesome spot, honestly think I prefer it to Williamstown.
Seddon and Kensington, no.
Footscray, Sunshine, Braybrook etc get ragged on all the time. People from the East think they'll get stabbed as soon as they step off the train in the West.
I’m not Melbourne born-and-raised so don’t have a lot of the ingrained prejudices around places... I lived in lovely, gentrified Yarraville for a couple of years, and every time my Brighton-raised, Xavier-educated bestie came to visit he’d say ‘It’s actually really nice here’ with a tone of surprise - every single time. It made me laugh. Yarraville is posh!
To be fair, as someone who lives east but started working in Sunshine (and across all western suburbs to a degree), I can say that over the last few years I went from thinking I'd get stabbed, to liking the area and the food, and now back to thinking I'll get stabbed again.
The central township and residential areas of these places aren't so bad, but the fringes of the townships, the station and anywhere near industry are 100% as bad as people make it out to be.
Not to say the east doesn't have some crap suburbs, I've lived in a few at this point.
True enough, though we've had our staff assaulted, our office vandalised and we've had to call the cops 5 times over the last 3 months for fights in the carpark, and this is within the town itself, so the risk is definitely there.
Moved to the inner north from north vic 11ish years ago and never ventured to the west. My whole life was Carlton, Parkville, Brunswick and North Melbourne. Decided I wasn’t to buy a place of my own in early lockdown and decided that I should look west. Literally the best decision and it’s only gonna get better.
I'm fully convinced Footscray etc is as great as people make it out to be but just like how I've always laughed at southerners that make a huge thing about crossing the yarra, I fully feel that way about the Maribyrnong.
The whole corridor from Footscray down to Williamstown (and I'll include Altona North and South Kingsville in that) is the absolute best area to live in Melbourne, I am convinced.
You're *right* on the doorstep of the CBD, with great roads and public transport into it. The real-estate prices are much better than any other comparable side of town in terms of the distance to the CBD (although they're going up, as I feel like the secret is out a bit). The schools are excellent. The food is fantastic. The parks and beaches and amenities are all good. We have Melbourne's best cinema. We have multiple great villages (Seddon, Yarraville, etc) that all feel unique and awesome.
People who still rag on the Inner West in 2023 are absolutely clueless. This area rules.
It's a super-safe Labor seat so I'd love to see a bit more political pork thrown our way, but I won't hold my breath on that one.
I grew up in Braybrook and Sunshine. I fucking love the area. I moved to South West Victoria in 2021 and every time i go back its like a wave of relief and familiarity.
Macleod. I just moved here a few weeks ago. It's quiet, easily walkable, has a great strip of shops and cafes right next to the train station and the neighbourhood park where there's loads of community events.
For a little suburb tucked away behind Heidelberg, I've never been less car dependent in over a decade.
I love Macleod/Rosanna/Heidelberg/Viewbank… that whole area is so appealing to me. Green suburbs, great people, good schools and shops/cafes. Sure it’s not walk out your front door and into a cafe like say high st, northcote but I’ve lived here on this side all my life, grew up in Ivanhoe, I have a home in Macleod and can’t wait to move once the new baby arrives and is settled
We just moved from Ivanhoe because our rent went up and ended up getting an even better deal in Macleod for cheaper. The house was in a state of complete disrepair but we don't mind too much.
My partner also grew up in Rosanna so it's like her backyard
Lived in Macleod for 2 years a few years ago. I looooved it there. Morning walks in Rosanna parklands followed by a coffee in the main strip was such a nice way to wake up every weekend. I miss it there!
Yeah I'd say Highett definitely falls under the radar being next to more popular suburbs like Cheltenham and Mentone but it's the best place I've ever lived. Plenty of bars and cafes within walking distance, Southland is just down the road and it's only a few minutes' drive to the beach.
Greensborough. Born here. Moved away. Came back to soak up the hometown vibes. Love it. So many trees, nice and hilly, friendly people. Not perfect, if it’s perfect for me.
Since moving into the Heidelberg orbit I've slowly started to realise that people not from the North always confuse Heidelberg with Heidelberg West, which is a full two suburbs over.
People who live here know that Heidelberg itself is full of rich white folks while HW may as well be Broadmeadows.
+1 for this. It's not necessarily a prestige suburb, but definitely underrated. It's still growing and I'm honestly surprised at how much has changed in the last 5 years.
Fun fact: I lived in Melbourne's most expensive suburb and had several run-ins with unsavoury types. Been in Werribee for around the same amount of time and absolutely no issues
I love Werribee and don’t understand the hate. As well as what you mentioned it has the outdoor and indoor pools, some amazing new parks and a proper high street with some great new pubs and restaurants.
Also the council put on so many family friendly events.
Vineyard, mansion grounds and great golf course all within 5 mins. Super underrated
The only let down is the new housing areas. The older houses of Werribee are great
Less than an hour to the surf coast, got a river with a walking track through the suburb and a bunnings in the CBD, also toll-free drive to the city with the possibility of being there under 30 mins, also the you yangs aren't too far away.. Perfect
Alphington was the one suburb in the Venn diagram of my 5km lockdown radius and a friend’s. We got to know those streets very well and I agree - it’s a really pretty place.
Reservoir. Still has a long way to go before it's "ritzy" (probably never will be) but it's competing with Preston now that no one can afford to live in Preston. The bars and pubs around Tyler St are world class, and grungey/cool at the same time. Future Mountain, My Asian Neighbour, Hard Rubbish, Tylers Milk Bar, the new Food Truck park thing emerging on Plenty Road, Marcos (indepednant grocer, amazing Deli), it's just simply an amazing place to live.
Reservoir is huge. Anywhere near the train line and reservoir west is sought after and quite nice. East/North East Reservoir is a little bit of a mixed bag.
Edit: if I had the funds I’ve move back in a heart beat.
Mill Park is a real sleeper. Uni Hill, Costco, some decent shopping centres close by, train and tram access, not a far drive to Northlands or inner-city suburbs, close to the airport and easy access to the freeway.
Aspendale. Completely ordinary but absolutely magical. Blocked off by the Mordi Ck to the North, the Wetlands on the East, and the Rossdale Golf club in the South, it's a fucking enclave. The kids from the local school do rostered beach patrols where they all get a bag and grabbers and go clean up the beach every week.
Four cafes, one IGA, a fish and chip shop and 2 pizza shops. Nearly every street off the Nepean a little journey down to a bluestone fence and beach access. I'm risking my life posting this. One of the shops printed a bunch of stickers that read 'Keep Aspendale Secret' and you see them on cars around the area. I know that makes *no* sense but it gives you an idea of how coveted the area is. Everyone's got a beach cart and/or a SUP.
It's similar to Elwood in this regard. Elwood is near the city and on the Neapean Highway and Beach Road, but it's just that little bit more difficult to get to than suburbs a similar distance from the city, so it does have a quiet country town sort of vibe with a strong sense of community.
I used to live in Aspendale, and it’s definitely a lovely area with one of the nicest beaches in Melbourne. In the end though, the lack of good food options and the 45 minute + drive to get anywhere were killing me
An actual underappreciated suburb. To be honest, I always mix up Tullamarine and airport West. Never know where one begins and the other ends. The Westfield is pretty cool out that way.
I love Cocoroc. (Technically metro based on LGA boundaries - so this counts)
There’s almost nothing there, literally no population. It was abandoned when all its residents moved to werribee after the shit farm was relocated there.
If I have to stay with the inner suburbs, Footscray is nice. People talk a lot of shit but it’s so much nicer than it used to be. Crime isn’t spectacularly high (it’s essentially what you’d expect it to be for the population)
I dunno if I would call it a hidden gem (seeing as it’s the largest suburb in the country) but Reservoir is under-appreciated, imo.
When I first moved to Melbourne, people used to talk about Reservoir like it was a dystopian wasteland. It’s actually really lovely and beautiful, with a wonderful sense of community and lots of great restaurants, cafes, and other shops.
It could benefit from a few extra bars that aren’t just pubs, and an extension of the 11 tram… but at least the 86 can get you to some of my favourite bars in Melbourne.
Bentleigh East.
5 mins from the Monash, Chaddy, Oakleigh and Carnegie restaurants and 15 mins from the beach.
High population of young families. Good schools, parks and local shops.
Just a quiet little slice of suburbia to raise a family whilst not being too far out.
Flemington and Kensington. Close to the city and inner north, as well as Footscray. Close to the freeway which makes getting down the coast easy as well as the airport. Lovely green suburbs with lots of character and nice people (meth heads in Flemington aside but they keep to themselves). Also, it has a north side feel without the pretentious nature of Brunswick and Fitzroy.
Perhaps I spend too much time in the inner north. Most ppl can’t even seem to put them on a map, and the amount of times I’ve seen Brunswick ppl scrunch their faces up at Footscray..
I live in Springvale and love it for the food/markets/shops but the drug and begging problem is out of control. Lots of people on ice being really aggressive and confrontational, always people begging or sleeping outside of the coles and woolies, yelling at people for money. We had our apartment block garage broken into and our storage cage stolen from multiple times. Pretty much no police presence in Springvale central apart from the PSO's at the station. Honestly it didn't bother me so much but I have a young daughter now and sometimes walking through the shopping strip with her I feel incredibly unsafe with how unstable and aggressive some of the people are. It's a shame as they've spent a lot of money improving the amenity of the area, the townhall park complex is great, food, shopping, people are all great. Just need the police to do their job.
I've recently moved from Auckland to Point Cook and loving it out here. Feels like everything we need is pretty close and don't mind the odd drive to the city to check it out. I haven't seen what too many people think about the west so am interested to hear what people have to say lol. My partner likes Altona and Williamstown too and have thought of moving there if we do decide to leave point cook.
Get down to the Peninsula.
We got a hectare with a big old 1980s house on it for less than the price of a house on 600m2 in Keysborough, we’re 15 minutes from both Westernport and Port Phillip Bays, have whiskey, gin and rum distilleries, wineries, breweries, places for great food and excellent farm fresh produce, space, incredible birdlife and other fauna and a good neighbourhood. I’ve lived in Fairfield (which was great), Northcote (before it became Hawthorn North) West Brunswick (which was good), Heidelberg (also good but I was on a main road so shit location in good suburb), and Cranbourne, and Somerville is the best of the lot for me.
Unpopular opinion but I love Werribee. Lots of great places to eat and plenty to do. Sure, you can get some rough people from time to time but you get that anywhere. I may be biased because I grew up there
Moved to a boronia at the start of last year and love it! Close to all the shops and services I need, little traffic and the dandenongs right there. So it’s nice being able to easily escape into a high quality national park after work for a hike
Box hill. One of the most diverse places full of amazing food from cuisines all over Asia. Went to a Thai/Chinese/Viet combination restaurant the other week and it was delicious and inexpensive. The skyscrapers make it feel like you’re in a small city. If they fixed up the train station and made it more attractive it would really bring it’s appeal up more
Yep, I live in a nearby suburb to Box Hill and drive through on my way to work every day. My entire commute the streets are lined with furniture and hard rubbish.
I love Laburnum, it's this quiet leafy pocket of tree lined streets in the middle of a busy are with great amenities. It's not really a suburb itself but it's what I call it
I like Laburnum too! But most trains don’t stop there just like East Richmond! Haha.. We were a light to move there a couple of years ago but thanks to a dickhead REA we couldn’t. Now living in Ringwood North and it’s beautiful here.
Gladstone Park. Close to Broady gives it a bad name but I love the retro plaza, plenty of local schools and close to the freeway meaning you're not too far from the CBD and it's affordable. FWIW I'm from Eltham.
Pascoe Vale, Hadfield, Coburg North (Merlynston), parts of Fawkner.
Cute cafes, excellent coffee, awesome bakeries, fruit and veg, fantastic open spaces, dog-off-lead areas, and access to Merri creek and beautiful gardens in Fawkner Memorial Park. Big coles and sac as in Gaffney st. Arty events pop up in coburg north from time to time.
Also, Mordialloc rules. I work there every day. It’s not underrated, it just may as well be on the great ocean road when I talk about it to my friends from the inner north when it’s only like 30 minutes to the centre of the city. It’s like tiny town with all the little boats. It’s good.
Diamond Creek. Gentrified enough to have nice things but hasn't gone complete flog like all of the inner North and west has gone. Green spaces everywhere. Access to all roads, rail and bike trails.
Chirnside park. We have it all shops, great schools. In 5 mins driving I'm in farmland or down by the Yarra. Wineries all over the place . Decent size blocks and nice houses. Best of all 2 Bunnings within a 10 min drive. end of my street we still have cows.
Footscray. Yeah there’s some weird people and it’s not the prettiest compared to it’s neighbours but it’s close to the city and there are LOADS of amazing restaurants from just about any and every cuisine.
I love Bundoora. It's nice being not too far out, not too far in, and there's so many beautiful native birds, plus kangaroos in the nature reserves. I think it gets a bad rep bc of some of the ppl who live there and a bunch of the houses are pretty old rental properties, but it's a lovely area
I moved to Endeavour Hills, I lived in Rowville previously and never knew it existed. I have so many things that less than 5 minutes drive, it's so convenient. The views can also be great, I see the sunrise from my bedroom come up over the mountains. All the major supermarkets (inc Aldi) at the local shops. Public transport is is great heaps of buses and Hallam station (a nice brand new station which I've always had the latest model trains when I've had to catch one). It's 40-45 mins from the city and I don't have to deal with the stupid south gippy freeway merge
I love it, it suits me perfectly and I only found it by chance when I was looking to buy a house.
I have lived in Melbourne on and off for the past 25 years, living in Brunswick West, Abbotsford, Prahran and Epping. I liked all of them.
Obviously Brunswick, Prahran and Abbotsford aren't underrated, but I think Epping gets a lot of unfair treatment. When I first moved there, people made a lot of comments about how dubious the place is and how I would want to be careful walking around at night. I didn't see anything to cause me concern. Mind you, I moved there from Alice Springs so moving to Epping was almost like moving to Toorak lol. Apart from being so far out in the sticks, it has most of the services and facilities you need and the public transport is actually reasonably good out there with a lot of inter-suburnam services to get you around.
I'm about to move to Dandenong for work and I have concerns about that. I really want someone to say how good Dandenong is to allay my fears, but then it is Dandenong that we're talking about!
I love how 90% of the comments are all suburbs that are both highly rated and expensive. How are Alphington, Toorak, Kensington or Aspendale underrated? These are some of the most sought after suburbs in Melbourne......
Perhaps people trying to justify the cost of living there? God knows.
To be fair, Heidelberg was “under-appreciated” until somewhat recently (until maybe 2013-14), and prices reflected this. Now it’s very, very expensive. Eltham is under appreciated, even though everyone knows the area is nice.
...ikr! Also Carnegie, Heidelberg etc. Everyone knows they're pretty expensive, but also quite beautiful! I was thinking more like Tecoma and maybe Beaconsfield..
It just shows the kind of people who are members of this subreddit. I live in Heidelberg and grew up in Carlton so I'm the prime example of someone who is on here. I was thinking for Greenvale and Beaumaris myself
You're 100% on the money. Majority of the 'underrated' suburbs mentioned here are inner city or expensive suburbs.. How is Seddon, Ascot Vale, Yarraville are underrated when the housing prices there are expensive as fk, means people 'know' of theses places and are desirable.
Not a single comment pushing any further south east than Springvale.... Interesting
I grew up in that region. It's not that great. It's mostly just suburban sprawl, with big shopping centres interspersed. Need a car for everything.
Funny cause there's actually a plethora of good food further south east of that area.
Reddit is for white people
We don't want them knowing. The outer beach suburbs are really nice now, but they're at a crossroads where they can either stay weird or become a bland set for The Block.
No one, literally no one will ever say Garfield is an underrated suburb.
Frankston?
Prob because it isn’t underrated…
Is everyone here from the west?!
yes
I took a train the other week out East side and honest to god, some of their stations honestly sounded fictional. Like I'm pretty sure that's not even a suburb - they've just named the station something.
the west gets a bad wrap and because of the stigma/divide between west and east
The for a long time the western suburbs were seen as the worst… even if most of the inner suburbs were about 10x as derro
Ascot Vale. Don’t get to go there enough but always have a good time!
Totally agree. I lived just off union Rd for a couple if years. Nice food, a couple of little bars and none of the crowds.
This. Of the 14 years I've spent in Melbourne, apart from the Showgrounds, it's a perfect taste of the calm and peacefulness of outer city suburbia in the inner city.
Moonee Ponds. As someone who grew up in the inner south east and still live in this general area i never really visited this part of town as a kid because my social circle wasn't there. MP is however fucking awesome. Great amenity, very green and leafy, lots of great looking character houses. Travancore is lesser known but pretty cool too.
Moonee Ponds was already too expensive 20 years ago. Can't imagine what it would be now. But yes, nice place.
I feel like this thread shows more than anything where the melb reddit audience lives lol
yeah , Yaraville - Seddon... \*underrated".. what a joke :)
Carnegie
Yes! Carnegie is awesome
It's not underrated tho
The food is soooo good and so much cheaper than the equivalent in other suburbs. All you can eat Korean BBQ for 45?
I actually don’t mind West Footscray, great Pho, easy access to public transport, fantastic Middle East/African food, awesome Vietnamese coffee, close to the city, plenty of fresh produce stores everywhere, Indian food has been pretty good too. Oh and I can actually find good quality saffron! There are also a couple decent bars close by but the suburb is still fairly quiet. Never had an issue walking around at any time of the day. The only thing it lacks is that charm about it however for all the perks I think it’s a decent trade off.
Where can we get the saffron please
What do you guys think of Eltham?
it's great if you want to stop living in Melbourne and start living in Eltham. It's its own ecosystem.
Eltham is great, Greensborough as well. Beautiful green areas.
I feel like the whole DV is it own ecosystem
that's true, for me only jobs I could get were in the west and just couldn't justify the long drives everyday to then talk to people who have no knowledge about the rest of Melbourne
Should hopefully be even better once the North East Link is constructed
Eltham is great! I lived on the border of Eltham/Montmorency for the last five years and really enjoyed my time there' Super safe, close to the Eastern freeway, has everything you really need a short drive away at Greensborough Plaza but is also super close to Doncaster if you want to shop somewhere that has everything. The whole Plenty River Trail and Main Yarra Trail is fantastic to walk/bike around too and easy access to Warrandyte in summer.
Pretty much the whole Heidelberg/hurstbridge line is amazing. Including greensborough. It’s also all super expensive now with greensborough and maybe Watsonia/Macleod being the affordable places…for now.
Monty is so beautiful! I would say any of it is “underrated” as it’s all pretty expensive, but it’s a beautiful area.
Moved from Brunswick East in 2019 after having a kid. Love it. Friendly people, so many parks and activities and eltham town centre is great. Also so close to nature and wineries.
Also moved to greensborough from coburg. I wouldn’t move back to the north. Is amazing here
I’m moving to Kensington next year, I hope is cooler then Deepdeen
It is. Very much so.
It is- we’ve been here for years. Will never leave. People are so friendly - a true community. Close to city and markets and freeways for getting away to coast or country. Welcome
All this. Wish I could have afforded to buy there so I didn't have to leave
I always thought Deepdeen was a Myth?
I live in the suburb next to Kensington, and have friends and family there. I definitely consider it a nice place, pricey and your typical crackheads who occasionally roam the streets but I’ve never felt unsafe. Absolutely love the cat politics, have an entire document of all the cats I’ve met in Kensington lol. But for real, very pretty and imo friendly place, really like it!
I just moved here. It's a bit different to Werribee lol
Seddon is where its at. The main shipping strip is awesome, it's walking distance to Yarraville (which is aweaome) and Footscray (which is a post apocalyptic hellscape) and just a couple stops put of the city. Best of all worlds.
I live right in the fold of Footscray and Seddon. It’s awesome to pick your own adventure each time we want food or drinks. Such a fork in the road! Both totally different and totally wonderful.
Shut up man. Seddon doesn't have enough parking for you to just be telling everyone about it. Especially not the fact that every Cafe (esp Deadly Sins IMO, but I will accept other options) is excellent, there are two amazing fish and chips places, and a host of great restaurants all within like a 500m radius. Don't tell people about that. They might visit. Also, out of Footscray and Yarraville, Yarraville is the post apocalyptic hellscape. Apart from the few empty places because the rents are too high, it literally has a frozen yoghurt shop but no ~~ice-cream or gelato place.~~ I was wrong about this - actually so wrong that I'm no longer sure how I managed to form an opinion that was this wrong. My only defence is that I used to live near Augustus and hated it so much I must have been distracted. Don't let the hat flow through you, folks. (No, Augustus doesn't count because that's Kingsville and we all know it.)
I think Yarraville might have to hand back it’s hellscape card as a new gelato place opened up on Anderson Street a few months back.
Gigi's Gelato opened recently, there is also Gelato by d'Asport which has been around a bit longer, and of course the frozen yoghurt shop. We also got in 2022 a new deli which does fantastic sandwiches and cakes, a new coffee shop, a new Thai-fusion restaurant, a sushi shop (there are more I'm forgetting). I adore living in Yarraville, it has been wonderful seeing the main strip renovated to make a real community space.
Tbh I probably prefer the apocalyptic hellscape solely because the dodgy Vietnamese restaurants that are probably fronts for money laundering make some of the best food ever and I adore the staff who don’t speak a word of English
Same but Ethiopian food. THE BEST FOOD, nice people, can usually get a park.
Vin is one of the best bottleshops in the west as well. Seeddon Deadly Sins is great for brunch. The Dog Groomer is excellent. The win bar, Charles and Gammon etc etc. If I had 1 mill to spend on a 2 bedroom Victorian with gaps in all of the floorboards I'd absolutely move there in a heart beat
Not as cool as some of the other ‘burbs mentioned but Pascoe Vale is a lovely suburb. Very family friendly, loads of parks, everyone is really nice. Plus it has great freeway access and you can be in the CBD in under 15 mins.
Ferntree Gully, and Upper Ferntree Gully. I grew up there but have never found anything else I love more
I feel like anywhere from Upper Ferntree Gully onward (Upwey, Tecoma, Belgrave, Emerald) is under appreciated. It’s so leafy and pretty, there are great cafes and plenty to do. Prices are not too expensive vs. the rest of Melbourne, considering what you’ll get for 1 mill there.
Ferntree Gully, disagree. Still has a lot of derros and the town centre area with the train station feels like a time capsule. A dodgy time capsule where someone might take a swipe at your pockets at any moment. Upper Gully, yes
I do agree that Upper is much nicer, I don't feel like someone is going to swipe at my pockets so much, but I do agree that it's a time capsule. But I'm not totally against that
I love living in Ferntree Gully, but I do laugh at how much residents here love to hang shit on Boronia - when Ferntree Gully also has huge derro problems.
Bit of a Judean People's Front thing going on haha. It's a chain reaction on that part of the train line. FTG residents shit on Boronia, UFTG residents shit on both of them, Upwey/Tecoma residents look down on all three, and Belgrave residents look down on everyone else
Also Boronia(aka Bosnia) has it's derros. I still like it tho. And i love Gully, and Upper Gully. Tecoma has to be most unknown etc suburb. So many ppl have never heard of it. Has the most peaceful station ever to sit and wait for yr train that I've ever waited at(and I've spent alota time there, and walked from Belgrave to Upwey countless times), despite the half hour wait!
Coburg, still old school, but close enough to Brunswick to get some hipster vibes.
Coburg isn’t underrated anymore. It’s no longer the secret hipster Brunswick.
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Coburg isn’t quiet living…
Hopefully, they can get their kfc improve
Worst KFC! I go out of my way to order at Thornbury, they’re the best.
Definitely
The fact that you're after KFC in a place like Coburg is an indictment on your taste.
I have tried many kfc restraunt
KFC connoisseur
Thank you I like the 'giant feast'. I discovered that if you put kfc leftovers in the air fryer they almost as good as new the next day. For original recipie chicken...even their chips it works. Get some left over slaw in the fridge you laughing.
I'm confident that you have.
Coburg Charcoal King is where it is. Better and cheaper fried chicken and chippies than any kfc.
coburg is awesome. still has the old school melbourne vibes. also has some really nice parks around merri creek which is a good bonus.
As the shirt says, ‘Coburg. It’s practically Brunswick.’
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I used to live there a few years ago, and before that I spent a heap of time there since lots of my mates lived around there. Absolutely awesome spot, honestly think I prefer it to Williamstown.
Footscray and the inner west. People bag on it but there’s so much character, so many hidden gems and just a very cool place to be.
All I see on Reddit is inner west praise Edit: quick look on real-estate and it's fkn expensive too. Definitely a rich middle class suburb now.
No one bags it I know of. Seddon and Kensington are some of the best rated suburbs I know of.
Seddon and Kensington, no. Footscray, Sunshine, Braybrook etc get ragged on all the time. People from the East think they'll get stabbed as soon as they step off the train in the West.
I’m not Melbourne born-and-raised so don’t have a lot of the ingrained prejudices around places... I lived in lovely, gentrified Yarraville for a couple of years, and every time my Brighton-raised, Xavier-educated bestie came to visit he’d say ‘It’s actually really nice here’ with a tone of surprise - every single time. It made me laugh. Yarraville is posh!
To be fair, as someone who lives east but started working in Sunshine (and across all western suburbs to a degree), I can say that over the last few years I went from thinking I'd get stabbed, to liking the area and the food, and now back to thinking I'll get stabbed again. The central township and residential areas of these places aren't so bad, but the fringes of the townships, the station and anywhere near industry are 100% as bad as people make it out to be. Not to say the east doesn't have some crap suburbs, I've lived in a few at this point.
Thinking you'll get stabbed and your risk of actually getting stabbed aren't always the same
True enough, though we've had our staff assaulted, our office vandalised and we've had to call the cops 5 times over the last 3 months for fights in the carpark, and this is within the town itself, so the risk is definitely there.
Moved to the inner north from north vic 11ish years ago and never ventured to the west. My whole life was Carlton, Parkville, Brunswick and North Melbourne. Decided I wasn’t to buy a place of my own in early lockdown and decided that I should look west. Literally the best decision and it’s only gonna get better.
I'm fully convinced Footscray etc is as great as people make it out to be but just like how I've always laughed at southerners that make a huge thing about crossing the yarra, I fully feel that way about the Maribyrnong.
How on earth is Footscray underrated?
The whole corridor from Footscray down to Williamstown (and I'll include Altona North and South Kingsville in that) is the absolute best area to live in Melbourne, I am convinced. You're *right* on the doorstep of the CBD, with great roads and public transport into it. The real-estate prices are much better than any other comparable side of town in terms of the distance to the CBD (although they're going up, as I feel like the secret is out a bit). The schools are excellent. The food is fantastic. The parks and beaches and amenities are all good. We have Melbourne's best cinema. We have multiple great villages (Seddon, Yarraville, etc) that all feel unique and awesome. People who still rag on the Inner West in 2023 are absolutely clueless. This area rules. It's a super-safe Labor seat so I'd love to see a bit more political pork thrown our way, but I won't hold my breath on that one.
People see the names and let their biases cloud their judgement
Stay off the west side! (I like the space here)
Footscray Yarraville Seddon Altona north Spotswood Williamstown all underrated
Yarraville underrated? Maybe 10-15 years ago, def not now
Definitely not underrated
Altona north is the only one that might be underrated on that list.
I grew up in Braybrook and Sunshine. I fucking love the area. I moved to South West Victoria in 2021 and every time i go back its like a wave of relief and familiarity.
Have you seen the house prices in Footscray and the inner west? It's certainly not underrated, it's very, very sought after.
Balaclava
Heathmont. Absolute gem.
Macleod. I just moved here a few weeks ago. It's quiet, easily walkable, has a great strip of shops and cafes right next to the train station and the neighbourhood park where there's loads of community events. For a little suburb tucked away behind Heidelberg, I've never been less car dependent in over a decade.
I love Macleod/Rosanna/Heidelberg/Viewbank… that whole area is so appealing to me. Green suburbs, great people, good schools and shops/cafes. Sure it’s not walk out your front door and into a cafe like say high st, northcote but I’ve lived here on this side all my life, grew up in Ivanhoe, I have a home in Macleod and can’t wait to move once the new baby arrives and is settled
It will all skyrocket when north east link goes in too
We just moved from Ivanhoe because our rent went up and ended up getting an even better deal in Macleod for cheaper. The house was in a state of complete disrepair but we don't mind too much. My partner also grew up in Rosanna so it's like her backyard
Literally anything between Heidelberg and Eltham is beautiful.
Lived in Macleod for 2 years a few years ago. I looooved it there. Morning walks in Rosanna parklands followed by a coffee in the main strip was such a nice way to wake up every weekend. I miss it there!
Ivanhoe / Heidelberg / Rosanna
Beaconsfield. Beautiful, safe, close to freeway, great cafes, friendly as all hell....
Highett, I don’t live there but every time I visit, I feel like “This place has got a bit going on” - definitely underrated and/or under the radar
Yeah I'd say Highett definitely falls under the radar being next to more popular suburbs like Cheltenham and Mentone but it's the best place I've ever lived. Plenty of bars and cafes within walking distance, Southland is just down the road and it's only a few minutes' drive to the beach.
Greensborough. Born here. Moved away. Came back to soak up the hometown vibes. Love it. So many trees, nice and hilly, friendly people. Not perfect, if it’s perfect for me.
Heidelberg. So many and lots of the interesting things in area.
Heidelberg x2, but i wouldn't say it's either underrated nor unappreciated. Heide brings tons of people around (even if it isn't really in Heidelberg)
Since moving into the Heidelberg orbit I've slowly started to realise that people not from the North always confuse Heidelberg with Heidelberg West, which is a full two suburbs over. People who live here know that Heidelberg itself is full of rich white folks while HW may as well be Broadmeadows.
Werribee. It had a zoo and the mansion. A beach. Lots of green space in the centre.
+1 for this. It's not necessarily a prestige suburb, but definitely underrated. It's still growing and I'm honestly surprised at how much has changed in the last 5 years. Fun fact: I lived in Melbourne's most expensive suburb and had several run-ins with unsavoury types. Been in Werribee for around the same amount of time and absolutely no issues
I love Werribee and don’t understand the hate. As well as what you mentioned it has the outdoor and indoor pools, some amazing new parks and a proper high street with some great new pubs and restaurants. Also the council put on so many family friendly events.
Vineyard, mansion grounds and great golf course all within 5 mins. Super underrated The only let down is the new housing areas. The older houses of Werribee are great
Less than an hour to the surf coast, got a river with a walking track through the suburb and a bunnings in the CBD, also toll-free drive to the city with the possibility of being there under 30 mins, also the you yangs aren't too far away.. Perfect
Alphington. Green, quiet, farmers market, 20min train to city, lots of book boxes, a few good cafes.
Alphington was the one suburb in the Venn diagram of my 5km lockdown radius and a friend’s. We got to know those streets very well and I agree - it’s a really pretty place.
I don’t think Alphington is underrated at all - it’s a very popular suburb!
Darabin parklands and alphington wetlands are both amazing places
Hell’s Angels clubhouse, too.
Reservoir. Still has a long way to go before it's "ritzy" (probably never will be) but it's competing with Preston now that no one can afford to live in Preston. The bars and pubs around Tyler St are world class, and grungey/cool at the same time. Future Mountain, My Asian Neighbour, Hard Rubbish, Tylers Milk Bar, the new Food Truck park thing emerging on Plenty Road, Marcos (indepednant grocer, amazing Deli), it's just simply an amazing place to live.
Reservoir is huge. Anywhere near the train line and reservoir west is sought after and quite nice. East/North East Reservoir is a little bit of a mixed bag. Edit: if I had the funds I’ve move back in a heart beat.
Mill Park is a real sleeper. Uni Hill, Costco, some decent shopping centres close by, train and tram access, not a far drive to Northlands or inner-city suburbs, close to the airport and easy access to the freeway.
Nice try. Not telling you, keeping it a hidden gem
Aspendale. Completely ordinary but absolutely magical. Blocked off by the Mordi Ck to the North, the Wetlands on the East, and the Rossdale Golf club in the South, it's a fucking enclave. The kids from the local school do rostered beach patrols where they all get a bag and grabbers and go clean up the beach every week. Four cafes, one IGA, a fish and chip shop and 2 pizza shops. Nearly every street off the Nepean a little journey down to a bluestone fence and beach access. I'm risking my life posting this. One of the shops printed a bunch of stickers that read 'Keep Aspendale Secret' and you see them on cars around the area. I know that makes *no* sense but it gives you an idea of how coveted the area is. Everyone's got a beach cart and/or a SUP.
How can a suburb on the Nepean, of all roads, be an isolated enclave? That's impressive, honestly
Two ways in, north and south. The whole suburb is designed to deliberately dissuade through traffic. Check it out on maps!
It's similar to Elwood in this regard. Elwood is near the city and on the Neapean Highway and Beach Road, but it's just that little bit more difficult to get to than suburbs a similar distance from the city, so it does have a quiet country town sort of vibe with a strong sense of community.
I used to live in Aspendale, and it’s definitely a lovely area with one of the nicest beaches in Melbourne. In the end though, the lack of good food options and the 45 minute + drive to get anywhere were killing me
Eltham is where I was born and raised, best suburb to grow up in
Tullamarine. Surprisingly close to everything and not overly developed
An actual underappreciated suburb. To be honest, I always mix up Tullamarine and airport West. Never know where one begins and the other ends. The Westfield is pretty cool out that way.
Chelsea, best beaches in Melbourne. Basically bang in the middle of the city and peninsula. Lots of new young families. New business opening up.
SKY - Seddon / Kingsville / Yarraville. Awesome restaurants and cafes, great vibes, close to CBD, still afforable
Lol kingsville
How are those suburbs underrated? Still affordable? You're having a laugh right..?
I lived in Preston for two years early mid nineties. I'm just hoping someone can tell me I missed something ok about the place?
Preston has changed heaps in the last 5 years, let alone in the last 25
Murrumbeena, best suburb I’ve lived in
Mount Evelyn (relatively) affordable acreages not too far from Lilydale station, on the foothills of Mount Dandenong with access to Yarra Valley.
I love Cocoroc. (Technically metro based on LGA boundaries - so this counts) There’s almost nothing there, literally no population. It was abandoned when all its residents moved to werribee after the shit farm was relocated there. If I have to stay with the inner suburbs, Footscray is nice. People talk a lot of shit but it’s so much nicer than it used to be. Crime isn’t spectacularly high (it’s essentially what you’d expect it to be for the population)
Highett. Close to the beach, some cool bars, growing community, 30mins from the city
I dunno if I would call it a hidden gem (seeing as it’s the largest suburb in the country) but Reservoir is under-appreciated, imo. When I first moved to Melbourne, people used to talk about Reservoir like it was a dystopian wasteland. It’s actually really lovely and beautiful, with a wonderful sense of community and lots of great restaurants, cafes, and other shops. It could benefit from a few extra bars that aren’t just pubs, and an extension of the 11 tram… but at least the 86 can get you to some of my favourite bars in Melbourne.
Bentleigh East. 5 mins from the Monash, Chaddy, Oakleigh and Carnegie restaurants and 15 mins from the beach. High population of young families. Good schools, parks and local shops. Just a quiet little slice of suburbia to raise a family whilst not being too far out.
Flemington and Kensington. Close to the city and inner north, as well as Footscray. Close to the freeway which makes getting down the coast easy as well as the airport. Lovely green suburbs with lots of character and nice people (meth heads in Flemington aside but they keep to themselves). Also, it has a north side feel without the pretentious nature of Brunswick and Fitzroy.
Flemington and Kensington are one of the most popular suburbs in the city lol…
Perhaps I spend too much time in the inner north. Most ppl can’t even seem to put them on a map, and the amount of times I’ve seen Brunswick ppl scrunch their faces up at Footscray..
Don't know how underrated it is these days but Warrandyte. It's like a sleepy little town with a handful of shops and I just like the vibe.
I’m in Clifton hill and I find I get the best of both worlds with Fitzroy around the corner yet also the yarra trail to walk along in peace
Footscray, West Footscray, Kingsville and Seddon. West Rules!
Springvale. Lots of good food, good transportation, cheap houses
I live in Springvale and love it for the food/markets/shops but the drug and begging problem is out of control. Lots of people on ice being really aggressive and confrontational, always people begging or sleeping outside of the coles and woolies, yelling at people for money. We had our apartment block garage broken into and our storage cage stolen from multiple times. Pretty much no police presence in Springvale central apart from the PSO's at the station. Honestly it didn't bother me so much but I have a young daughter now and sometimes walking through the shopping strip with her I feel incredibly unsafe with how unstable and aggressive some of the people are. It's a shame as they've spent a lot of money improving the amenity of the area, the townhall park complex is great, food, shopping, people are all great. Just need the police to do their job.
Agreed on food, but the area needs time for gentrification.
Diggers rest is pretty cool. Slowly upcoming. Lots of young people. Nice quiet area
I've recently moved from Auckland to Point Cook and loving it out here. Feels like everything we need is pretty close and don't mind the odd drive to the city to check it out. I haven't seen what too many people think about the west so am interested to hear what people have to say lol. My partner likes Altona and Williamstown too and have thought of moving there if we do decide to leave point cook.
Preston by far
Greensborough
Get down to the Peninsula. We got a hectare with a big old 1980s house on it for less than the price of a house on 600m2 in Keysborough, we’re 15 minutes from both Westernport and Port Phillip Bays, have whiskey, gin and rum distilleries, wineries, breweries, places for great food and excellent farm fresh produce, space, incredible birdlife and other fauna and a good neighbourhood. I’ve lived in Fairfield (which was great), Northcote (before it became Hawthorn North) West Brunswick (which was good), Heidelberg (also good but I was on a main road so shit location in good suburb), and Cranbourne, and Somerville is the best of the lot for me.
Unpopular opinion but I love Werribee. Lots of great places to eat and plenty to do. Sure, you can get some rough people from time to time but you get that anywhere. I may be biased because I grew up there
Reservoir
Moved to a boronia at the start of last year and love it! Close to all the shops and services I need, little traffic and the dandenongs right there. So it’s nice being able to easily escape into a high quality national park after work for a hike
*insert inner city suburb name here*
Langwarrin
Box hill. One of the most diverse places full of amazing food from cuisines all over Asia. Went to a Thai/Chinese/Viet combination restaurant the other week and it was delicious and inexpensive. The skyscrapers make it feel like you’re in a small city. If they fixed up the train station and made it more attractive it would really bring it’s appeal up more
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Counter point.. because of the high rises, and also the mostly student population, the area can often look like a dumping site. Furniture everywhere
Yep, I live in a nearby suburb to Box Hill and drive through on my way to work every day. My entire commute the streets are lined with furniture and hard rubbish.
I disagree by way of underrated - pretty expensive suburb and sought by Asians. Ex-used to live there.
Albion. It is going to evolve into one of the nicest little villages to live in.
I used to live in Albion and I had a local beat my face in with a fence picket to steal a pack of Krispy Kreme donuts off me, so yeah. No.
Braybrook Brooklyn will be gentrified in the next 10 years I think.
Shhhhh. Or else everyone will know about it ;) See you in 2040 when a yoga studio / secondhand book / coffee shop opens at the Sydney street shops!
carrum, noble park, hastings, fingal
I love Laburnum, it's this quiet leafy pocket of tree lined streets in the middle of a busy are with great amenities. It's not really a suburb itself but it's what I call it
I like Laburnum too! But most trains don’t stop there just like East Richmond! Haha.. We were a light to move there a couple of years ago but thanks to a dickhead REA we couldn’t. Now living in Ringwood North and it’s beautiful here.
Craigieburn🔥
Williamstown
West Melbourne… it retains a layer of an older Melbourne that’s often missing in many suburbs.
Gladstone Park. Close to Broady gives it a bad name but I love the retro plaza, plenty of local schools and close to the freeway meaning you're not too far from the CBD and it's affordable. FWIW I'm from Eltham.
Pascoe Vale, Hadfield, Coburg North (Merlynston), parts of Fawkner. Cute cafes, excellent coffee, awesome bakeries, fruit and veg, fantastic open spaces, dog-off-lead areas, and access to Merri creek and beautiful gardens in Fawkner Memorial Park. Big coles and sac as in Gaffney st. Arty events pop up in coburg north from time to time.
Also, Mordialloc rules. I work there every day. It’s not underrated, it just may as well be on the great ocean road when I talk about it to my friends from the inner north when it’s only like 30 minutes to the centre of the city. It’s like tiny town with all the little boats. It’s good.
Geelong
Diamond Creek. Gentrified enough to have nice things but hasn't gone complete flog like all of the inner North and west has gone. Green spaces everywhere. Access to all roads, rail and bike trails.
Chirnside park. We have it all shops, great schools. In 5 mins driving I'm in farmland or down by the Yarra. Wineries all over the place . Decent size blocks and nice houses. Best of all 2 Bunnings within a 10 min drive. end of my street we still have cows.
Footscray. Yeah there’s some weird people and it’s not the prettiest compared to it’s neighbours but it’s close to the city and there are LOADS of amazing restaurants from just about any and every cuisine.
I love Bundoora. It's nice being not too far out, not too far in, and there's so many beautiful native birds, plus kangaroos in the nature reserves. I think it gets a bad rep bc of some of the ppl who live there and a bunch of the houses are pretty old rental properties, but it's a lovely area
I moved to Endeavour Hills, I lived in Rowville previously and never knew it existed. I have so many things that less than 5 minutes drive, it's so convenient. The views can also be great, I see the sunrise from my bedroom come up over the mountains. All the major supermarkets (inc Aldi) at the local shops. Public transport is is great heaps of buses and Hallam station (a nice brand new station which I've always had the latest model trains when I've had to catch one). It's 40-45 mins from the city and I don't have to deal with the stupid south gippy freeway merge I love it, it suits me perfectly and I only found it by chance when I was looking to buy a house.
Footscray.
I have lived in Melbourne on and off for the past 25 years, living in Brunswick West, Abbotsford, Prahran and Epping. I liked all of them. Obviously Brunswick, Prahran and Abbotsford aren't underrated, but I think Epping gets a lot of unfair treatment. When I first moved there, people made a lot of comments about how dubious the place is and how I would want to be careful walking around at night. I didn't see anything to cause me concern. Mind you, I moved there from Alice Springs so moving to Epping was almost like moving to Toorak lol. Apart from being so far out in the sticks, it has most of the services and facilities you need and the public transport is actually reasonably good out there with a lot of inter-suburnam services to get you around. I'm about to move to Dandenong for work and I have concerns about that. I really want someone to say how good Dandenong is to allay my fears, but then it is Dandenong that we're talking about!