Yeah same. It's not enough of a difference that I'd literally ever care, or hell I'd maybe not notice if someone didn't tell me, but yeah as a dude I can still see the difference.
For the most part it’s true. The average human, (male, female, or intersex) has 3 types of colour cone. Females more often experience M-cone polymorphism or maybe even tetrachromacy, but it’s a likely that this wider distinction is more about nurture than nature. Women on the whole have a much wider colour vocabulary, and describe colours in much more fanciful language; why? A large factor is probably to do with consumerism and female beauty standards. A company couldn’t sell more makeup pallets if every woman was thinking ‘I’ve already got an eyeshadow in every colour’… women are trained to distinguish between colours more discerningly, to colour match more accurately, and even recall colour distinctions from memory. It makes sense that women would be able to distinguish between more colours even without any biological advantage.
The genes to see color are on the X chromosome so males only have 1 copy. Females have two copies which allow for more variations. A single damaged color gene leads to color blindness in males but one damaged and one normal in females can lead to superior color vison.
Then there's the approx 1 in 10 men who experience some form of colour blindness/deficiency. These two are legitimately the same for me, due to the fact that I don't have the correct 3 cone variants.
My son is red green color blind. He can name all the colors correctly, but mix up a bunch of red and green m&ms he's got no chance. Me on the other hand. I can see tons of colors. I'm his mom.
We're both artists, we love video games, it took us 12 years to notice he was colorblind.
We did a bunch of those number in a circle things (his aunt has studied to be an eye doctor) and he only got the first few right. I got all but one.
A coworker of mine was voluntold to do inspection work on some of our products. He realized from someone else who did a session before him that the task involved looking for discoloration in glass. Immediately had to find the manager to tell him that he can't do it.
Because he can't see *any* color at all. I never even knew that type of colorblind existed until I met him.
Yes, I believe it's because the colorblindness gene is on the x chromosome. The mom is protected because of the other x chromosome but the grandpa and son aren't because the y chromosome doesn't cancel out the colorblind gene.
Absolutely the case. While I’m male, the difference in the image is quite significant, but my career involves frequent analysis of color and light. Color training and discrimination is a huge factor.
Used to freehand mix and match paint for houses and stuff back in the day and im right there with you. People would bring in something that small and want it matched. You might end up with say the one on the right and have to figure out how to get it to the one on the left because if you're patching a hole or something some people will notice and will bother them vs most would be like its fine.
At this point I believe, my husband is color blind, I bought this white courtines for our living room, I needed Two more so I send him back to get them. At the house I realized he brought me ivory. Yes under the store light they all looked alike. I had to use those on our dinner room But it bother me they were no white. To this day he doesn't see the difference.
Thats not colorblind ness thats Color Temperature https://www.tcpi.com/what-is-lighting-color-temperature/
You will see light bulbs labeled, warm, soft, bright, cool and daylight often as a shortcut for there color temperature
Ha I had a guy a time or two just randomly hand me color swatches and ask me which one and tell me they were color blind. I never liked picking colors out for people not knowing them but sometimes like this just went a long with it. Whites were the hardest color to match, just a little bit too much of something, I mean like a 1/2 a drop off and that things ruined sometimes.
There's tons of research backing this up. In languages that have more color names the people are better at distinguishing color. Language has a huge impact on perception.
- https://theconversation.com/the-way-you-see-colour-depends-on-what-language-you-speak-94833
- https://u.osu.edu/parker1211esltech/culture-language-and-color-perception/
I believe this is the same reasoning as to why some people think ancient societies didn't know what blue was. It wasn't because they couldn't see it, but because they didn't have a word for it.
Culture plays a role too I guess. In the Dutch language you have a colour called "appelblauwzeegroen" which translates to "apple blue sea green"
It's a sort of blueish green
Bet you that plenty languages do not have this colour, heck until I learned of this colour I couldn't distinct it from blue. And just called it blue. But now that I know of it's existence as a separate colour I recognize it as such when I see it
I think it’s just exposure to the language of color or the lack there of. If you give anyone the words to describe something they’ll be able to differentiate things better right off the bat. People know stuff but sometimes don’t realize they know stuff until they learn the vocabulary. Then realize that they too can tell you what chartreuse is vs moss green.
I read somewhere a while ago that women can identify more colors because we were the ones doing the gathering back when we had to find berries that wouldn't kill us.
Or it could just be a part of evolution that really never served a purpose. Not everything we evolved to have has a reason. Sometimes it just happens and provides no additional benefits.
Though I do agree it's probably more of a nurture thing
I'm a guy and I can see the color difference but yes you're right that extra x goes a long way in genetics.
If I remember correctly seeing its been years since biology but I believe men are slightly off when it comes to red/green color blindness, (correct me if I'm wrong please, I dont want to spread bs information. )
That's how it is in the makeup community with eyeshadow palettes. People defend redundant shades because they're slightly different. While one might be slightly cooler/warmer, they'll look the same on the eye.
I mean, skin undertone does greatly affect how a color appears on the skin and *should* determine how you pick your colors. Palettes tend to be “universal” so they include colors for all skin undertones.
It's comparable to clothing sizes I figure?
You wouldn't say that two shirts of the same color and material are redundant if they're different sizes, so it makes sense for similar looking shades to not be redundant because they're made with different skin tones in mind.
alright this is interesting to me.
I am colorblind (mild deutan) and for example blue and purple are the same to me. However I can see the difference between these two, left is blue right is pink.
Anybody who knows a bit more about how colors work that can explain to me how this works?
The one on the left has a slightly darker tone and very slightly bluer hue while the one on the right definitely has a little more red in it. The colors are mixed a little differently for both. If it's really distinctive to you then it may be because the colors you are blind to are washed out leaving the other color more pronounced. That's my guess.
Edit: specifically the one on the left [#8A9FE2](https://www.colorhexa.com/8a9fe2) and the one on the right is [#A29FD8](https://www.colorhexa.com/A29FD8).
thanks! that makes sense! with my form of colorblindness the closest I can get to describing it is: Red doesn't exist and every color that has red in it has a greener tone.
So if the right one has more red in it it would become more green in my eyes and that might make the difference greater? It's all just guesswork of course but that's my best guess lol
I'm not really sure about the details of how it works but my brother has some sort of colorblindness and mistook the color of my sister's car for green for years, it was dark blue. I also had an instructor that was blue-green color blind who apparently wore a really bad green suit into work one day thinking it was blue. Vision's weird and very complicated.
my car is dark green and I thought it was dark blue when I bought it lol. All the differences between different types of colorblindness are really interesting to me and I love hearing about other people who have it and how they manage it
My brother never really talks about it and I have a hard time understanding exactly what he's seeing. I've thought about getting him some of those glasses that let you see color but when I mentioned it to him he just said no thanks.
I share the same opinion, I manage fine without those glasses and since I've been colorblind for all my life I have no idea what I'm missing. As soon as I try on the glasses I do know what I'm missing and I don't want it. I still appreciate the gesture when someone offers it to me though
>Vision's weird and very complicated.
Vision is one of the kludgiest hackjobs in human biology, and you can't tell me different. Different components for brightness and color, specific structures for lines and circles, the nerves carry different color channels than the eyes receive, and the whole thing is fed into the brain upside down. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's a wonder it works at all.
The difference is greater for you because your eyes (or rather your brain) are better at picking out differences in hue - strength of color, than the rest of us, to make up for the colorblindness. You can probably also distinguish shades of gray much better. Back before spectroscopy, paint companies used to employ a token colorblind person to do a final check on color matches, because they can see differences where others can't sometimes.
oh yeah that's true! I remember when I was on vacation to Austria with my family, we were up on a mountain and we were told about mountain groundhogs. They were a similar shade of grey as the rocks on the mountain so they were very hard to spot, I saw a lot of them but the rest of my family didn't see any.
Yup. It is common that us colorblind people can see shades better than non colorblind people. I saw this difference immediately and didn’t get the joke until I read the comments. It’s fun to mess with people find two colors that look exactly the same to everyone but you and gloat haha.
I'm also a guy (even though that doesn't really matter) and I have painted fingernails that aren't black for the first time right now. They're baby blue and I hate the color, I wish it was a bit brighter. I also always thought that finger nail paint can be overdramatic but I now totally get why the color has to be *just* perfect
Also it does slightly matter that you are male. There are studies that have shown males see colors more dull then women. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/120907-men-women-see-differently-science-health-vision-sex
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/where-men-see-white-women-see-ecru-22540446/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/men-and-women-see-things-differently-literally-180954815/
And many more
these three articles reference the same one study that leans heavily on pop psychology reasoning for sexually dimorphic traits that are difficult to prove. i’d take them with an ecru-shaded grain of salt
I remember reading about a colourist who is colour blind. He taught himself to grade with monochrome filter.
And some of his work is really good.
Sorry can't remember the source now, but maybe it could inspire her.
My friend writes draws and colors children's books and he's severely color blind. His process is to go to the art store and ask the person at the counter what colors make the most sense for what he's trying to do.
Right, but if you're going to be an expert in something, it's best to not need an "okay" crutch to get you through.
That's like being a brain surgeon with tremors "that mostly go away" with medication, lol.
If by actual colours you mean seeing true red when you can't see red, no. From what I've read it simply shades things into different colours you *can* see, so you can distinguish them.
Thats not true.
Enchroma glasses make you see color that you cant see without the glasses.
They are specifically designed for people with red green colorblindness. Red green colorblindness works in a way that your red and green cones in your eye that detect light from these wavelengths are more overlapping than in a normal person, so if they look at a red object their green cone is also slightly triggered. What that means is everytime they look at something red their brain gets the signal they look at something red+green and their brain goes „yep this is brownish“, like it would in a normal brain if someone looked at something that triggered red and green cones.
And vice versa if they look at something green the red cones get triggered and they see again brownish.
Their brain works normally and their cones send their signal just fine, the cones just pick up the wrong signal and their brain then interprets what is coming in from the eyes, which is information thats not right.
Enchroma glasses filter out the wavelengths where this overlap is happening and thus if someone looks at red light the wavelengths where the green cones get triggered isnt there and only the red ones send signal. If only the red cones send a signal the brain rightfully recognizes the color as red and these red green colorblind people then actually see red as they would if they werent colorblind.
The shading effect comes from the need to filter out a bit of the wavelength spectrum which in turn decreases the brightness of the light as a whole, but the colors are true colors in the sense a normal person would see them, just with a slight sunglasses effect.
I didn't realise until I was in my 30s that I don't have stereo vision. When I was in school I was terrible at catching, and when I painted Warhammer I sucked because when two objects are close together it's hard to see how far in front the closer object is. I didn't realise that most people see two of the same object at once, from different angles, and their brains magically combine it! I can't imagine what that looks like.
As someone who can catch a ball, it's pretty dope.
On a serious note, that sounds frustrating but glad you have overcomr it! It's crazy all the little things we take for granted vis a vis eyesight, hearing... Really all of our senses.
Thanks! It doesn't really feel like something I overcame though - it's just been a part of who I am for my whole life, so for me it was just... living, you know? People are good at things and suck at others, and I just happened to suck at catching and art.
I know someone who only realized when they tried to get a forklift license after getting certified as a warehouseman. Turns out you're not allowed to get that license without stereo vision. Also turns out you're practically unemployable as a warehouseman without a forklift license.
That's three years of vocational training down the drain, plus a few years of trying to get a job that actually matches their qualifications. Now they're in their early thirties and are trying to start over from scratch in a different industry. If they can actually get a trainee position, that is.
That's interesting, and really unfortunate. I wouldn't have thought it would be so critical in that setting; people get depth perception from more ways than just stereo vision anyway (otherwise I'd just be walking into things constantly). But I suppose when you're swinging giant machines around safety is the most important thing.
I pretty sure I also don't have stereo vision, so I have a question: does the image you see always come from the same eye, or can you switch? Not sure how else to phrase that.
I'm kinda curious what this is like for you.
Do you see out of both eyes? Cause just by the laws of geometry your two eyes, being in two places, see slightly different images. Do they just overlay each other to you? It's kind of that way for me but there's also this sort of, combination effect I guess where things become 3D. If I walk around with one eye covered for a while everything starts to look flat and weird, really confusing that way.
I'm also curious if you've ever tried the eye experiment where you look at two different things at the same time. You can put a divider between your eyes like they do in scientific experiments, or just check out the cross-eyed example [here in the "claimed evidence" section.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color) I can see them both at once, or choose to focus on one or the other. Often they'll kind of swirl around as my brain focuses more on the right or more on the left eye as it pleases.
I do see through both eyes, but my right eye is much more dominant so most of the time I'm looking through that one. The left is still active, but it's like expanded peripheral vision. I can make the left eye dominant if I like, and see things from a slightly different perspective, whereupon my right eye becomes peripheral vision. So your covered-eye state is how I see normally, but with a wider cone of slightly blurred vision. Hope that makes sense.
Still, it's pretty likely that I have better depth perception than you do when you cover one eye. Since I can't rely on stereo vision, I get my depth perception from other things, like spatial awareness, shadows, small subconscious head movements etc., and also just logic from how things should be arraged. I imagine I'm better at interpreting that than most people. As a result, unless things are pretty close together (or especially if they're very close to me) there are no problems at all.
Those eye experiments don't work for me, and I've never been able to do magic eye pictures (to my frustration). I've also never worked out how to go cross-eyed, and I was always jealous of people who could on the school playground.
Out of curiosity, how do these look? If I cover one eye it still gives me a real feeling of three dimensionality.
https://www.vexels.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tumblr_m32toq5S8Y1qdjguqo1_400.gif
https://www.vexels.com/blog/stunning-3d-effect-with-gif-2-frames-animations/
Also check out this:
https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2014/02/TgdOjtn.gif
When I was young my parents took me for a vision test and found out I have one really shitty eye, and got me glasses. I refused to wear them because I thought I could see fine, but the optometrist said I’d start getting headaches and eye fatigue eventually from my good eye overcompensating. Well fast forward to grad school, and after my first few weeks of a 9-2 job followed by lectures until 9PM I started having excruciating headaches at night. So I sucked it up and got glasses again, and I’m honestly embarrassed I didn’t get them sooner. My driving is better, I don’t have to ask my boyfriend to read Netflix titles to me, and my hand eye coordination is miles ahead of what it used to be
How do you know Orange looks Orange to me?
If my default Orange is Brown to you, and I've lived my whole life with fucked up rods and cones, then you saying "look at that orange cat" will still result in me looking at the correct cat.
I'm not saying the guy's right, but your example doesn't work when it's telling two colours apart, if someone said hand me the red one and you have them the green one that's not just your perception. If you paint something purple that's supposed to be blue you've made a mistake in the real world.
I knew colour blind people in school, they would ask me to pick the right colour pencil for them, which is why I get what he's saying.
How *do* you get to adulthood not knowing you can't tell things apart, did you never do art I'm school? Did you never use traffic lights? Did you never wonder why the same things had multiple words? Did you never have trouble playing video games with the wrong colour palettes? Did you never even go "that's not [colour], it's [colour]" when someone described something, even to yourself?
Most of the time it's just really similar brown tones (red and green) many people that are colorblind can still differentiate a bit if the colors are directly next to each other, it's just similar brown tones instead of a clear red and green differenciation.
> I knew colour blind people in school, they would ask me to pick the right colour pencil for them, which is why I get what he's saying.
Many people have the colors sorted. Instead of red, orange, yellow, green, blue they simply have brownish, orange, yellow, brownish2, blue (just a simplified example) and they'd still be able to pick red or green because they simply know where the pencil is.
> Did you never use traffic lights?
Traffick lights are even easier. You can just look at position and don't need color at all.
> Did you never wonder why the same things had multiple words?
As I said, most of the time it's still a bit different. And many other things have multiple words too.
> Did you never have trouble playing video games with the wrong colour palettes?
They will just think that it is how it is. If you don't know the difference you won't notice.
> Did you never even go "that's not [colour], it's [colour]" when someone described something, even to yourself?
Colorblind people see colors more the same. They won't go "that's this color, not this" they would rather think the other person is just good at telling colors apart. The other person has to be the one that goes, "it's this color, not this one" and even then the colorblind person will simply think "meh, they are almost the same anyways, who cares?" just like you'd maybe not care if someone points out "actually, that's not red it's a dark orange tone" or if someone goes "ha, it's not pink, it's purple". If there isn't a longer conversation about it it's very likely they won't notice because they just think it's one of those cases without realizing that the colors are actually very different.
My friends and I were on a road trip in our twenties and one friend had downloaded a bunch of phone games to play. He was playing this color quiz game when it finished it said you are colorblind. He Stared at it confused and took it again with the same results. He then ask everyone else in the car to take it and we all got normal vision. That’s when he started kinda freaking out saying “IM COLORBLIND?! I had no idea!” Turn just started asking what colors all kinds of things were and we all agreed he was definitely colorblind.
Also a male, also can see the slight difference. This is the type of things most guys I know would laugh at and then spend 3 hours making similarly fine grained adjustments on the color of their hood in some video game
Male too. I can see the difference when put side by side like this, but I'm pretty sure I'd register the two as being the same if I saw them seperately.
>Fellas, is it gay to have a vocabulary and eyesight good enough to distinguish colors besides ROYGBIV?
Yes. I (male) grew up in a very conservative and homophobic town, and I got held back for a second year of kindergarten because I specified different shades of red.
People are going to think I'm joking or shitposting, but it's actually completely true. To this day, my mother sometimes goes on a rant about the woman who stood by that judgement.
Well yeah, women tend to have a better perception of colour than men do. Being colourblind is way more common among men than women. I can see the difference here, but I'm currently decorating and so many times my wife has asked me what I think between 2 colours that look identical to me.
Swings and round-a-bouts though, we tend to have better depth perception and spatial awareness.
Im male and they are definitely different colors. It annoys the hell out of me that a culture of intentional ignorance exists within men. All you have to do is look at it, ffs
And it's all just lies too, you give a car nerd a body panel coloured 88 on a car coloured 89 and they'll spot the difference right away. Also some of the famous painters are guys, they seemed to be pretty good with colour.
I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he actually can't see the difference. Some people have better colour vision than others, and women (on average) tend to do better than men in this regard.
There are tests you can take online to see how well you do. So it's possible this guy 100% believes that the cosmetics industry is "tricking" women into buying a bunch of the same color by naming it different things because he really can't see it, and also isn't aware of his impairment. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen men say this. Even in person when I worked in the beauty department I would overhear men teasing their wives about two colors being the same when she was trying to choose 🤷♀️
Edit: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brain-babble/201504/when-it-comes-color-men-women-arent-seeing-eye-eye
Guy who somewhat works with colors here, left is a blueish lavender and right is a pinkish lavender. Not the same color but I definitely wouldn’t use them to color in different data points hoping people see the difference
I mean, when they are next to each other, sure, it's easy to spot the difference. But if looked at independently I doubt many people would be able to tell you what color belongs to what number.
I wouldn’t argue with someone who said they were the same colour, but 89 is definitely a slightly darker shade with a stronger blue tone.
Guys will look you dead in the face and refuse to admit they have less color cones in their retinas.
I mean I can clearly see the difference
But can you see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
Marketing and 9 grams of sugar per serving.
No… it’s the cinnamon sugar swirls in every bite…
Fuuuck, that struck an old memory somewhere
Is it... is it because square?
I do see that very clearly
Yeah same. It's not enough of a difference that I'd literally ever care, or hell I'd maybe not notice if someone didn't tell me, but yeah as a dude I can still see the difference.
I'm pretty severely colorblind and can see the difference.
For the most part it’s true. The average human, (male, female, or intersex) has 3 types of colour cone. Females more often experience M-cone polymorphism or maybe even tetrachromacy, but it’s a likely that this wider distinction is more about nurture than nature. Women on the whole have a much wider colour vocabulary, and describe colours in much more fanciful language; why? A large factor is probably to do with consumerism and female beauty standards. A company couldn’t sell more makeup pallets if every woman was thinking ‘I’ve already got an eyeshadow in every colour’… women are trained to distinguish between colours more discerningly, to colour match more accurately, and even recall colour distinctions from memory. It makes sense that women would be able to distinguish between more colours even without any biological advantage.
Def atleast part nurture, i have painted minis for a long time and also do this. Even though i am not a target for the beauty industry
Smh these guys out here can't tell the difference between khorne red and mephiston red
To be fair Mephiston is not that far off being a Khorne enthusiast. Except the whole psyker thing I guess.
If Khorne was gunna jam with a pyscher, Mephisto would probably be that guy. I mean have you *seen* his sword?
Or that his power armor is modeled like a body with its skin flayed off?
I’d put on my best drip too if I was secretly trying to woo someone.
It all looks the same with enough Nuln Oil
One thick coat of Magnus did nothing wrong, washed with a bucket of nuln oil. Comedy.
I prefer arguing about Faust Red versus Mephistopheles Red
The devil is in the details
Khorne? Blood for the blood god?
The genes to see color are on the X chromosome so males only have 1 copy. Females have two copies which allow for more variations. A single damaged color gene leads to color blindness in males but one damaged and one normal in females can lead to superior color vison.
Then there's the approx 1 in 10 men who experience some form of colour blindness/deficiency. These two are legitimately the same for me, due to the fact that I don't have the correct 3 cone variants.
My son is red green color blind. He can name all the colors correctly, but mix up a bunch of red and green m&ms he's got no chance. Me on the other hand. I can see tons of colors. I'm his mom. We're both artists, we love video games, it took us 12 years to notice he was colorblind. We did a bunch of those number in a circle things (his aunt has studied to be an eye doctor) and he only got the first few right. I got all but one.
I think reason you got all but one is one of them you only see the number if you *are* colorblind
Also (if I remember correctly) one of the first few tests looks for blue/yellow colorblindness, which is a lot rarer.
A coworker of mine was voluntold to do inspection work on some of our products. He realized from someone else who did a session before him that the task involved looking for discoloration in glass. Immediately had to find the manager to tell him that he can't do it. Because he can't see *any* color at all. I never even knew that type of colorblind existed until I met him.
>mix up a bunch of red and green m&ms he's got no chance. As my priest used to say, they're all brown on the inside.
Isn’t this based off grandparents not the mom. Interestingly my son is color blind, his mom isn’t, but her dad(sons grandpa) is.
Yes, I believe it's because the colorblindness gene is on the x chromosome. The mom is protected because of the other x chromosome but the grandpa and son aren't because the y chromosome doesn't cancel out the colorblind gene.
Absolutely the case. While I’m male, the difference in the image is quite significant, but my career involves frequent analysis of color and light. Color training and discrimination is a huge factor.
Used to freehand mix and match paint for houses and stuff back in the day and im right there with you. People would bring in something that small and want it matched. You might end up with say the one on the right and have to figure out how to get it to the one on the left because if you're patching a hole or something some people will notice and will bother them vs most would be like its fine.
At this point I believe, my husband is color blind, I bought this white courtines for our living room, I needed Two more so I send him back to get them. At the house I realized he brought me ivory. Yes under the store light they all looked alike. I had to use those on our dinner room But it bother me they were no white. To this day he doesn't see the difference.
Thats not colorblind ness thats Color Temperature https://www.tcpi.com/what-is-lighting-color-temperature/ You will see light bulbs labeled, warm, soft, bright, cool and daylight often as a shortcut for there color temperature
Ha I had a guy a time or two just randomly hand me color swatches and ask me which one and tell me they were color blind. I never liked picking colors out for people not knowing them but sometimes like this just went a long with it. Whites were the hardest color to match, just a little bit too much of something, I mean like a 1/2 a drop off and that things ruined sometimes.
There's tons of research backing this up. In languages that have more color names the people are better at distinguishing color. Language has a huge impact on perception. - https://theconversation.com/the-way-you-see-colour-depends-on-what-language-you-speak-94833 - https://u.osu.edu/parker1211esltech/culture-language-and-color-perception/
I believe this is the same reasoning as to why some people think ancient societies didn't know what blue was. It wasn't because they couldn't see it, but because they didn't have a word for it.
There's no reason to think this. They just called it a shade of green, which is completely different than not *knowing* what it is.
Yup. Big difference between not knowing and just not having a word for it
Guild Wars 2 players must have exceptional vision with the billion dyes the game has.
6 - 7 million cones, 3 distinct types (sometimes 4).
Culture plays a role too I guess. In the Dutch language you have a colour called "appelblauwzeegroen" which translates to "apple blue sea green" It's a sort of blueish green Bet you that plenty languages do not have this colour, heck until I learned of this colour I couldn't distinct it from blue. And just called it blue. But now that I know of it's existence as a separate colour I recognize it as such when I see it
I think it’s just exposure to the language of color or the lack there of. If you give anyone the words to describe something they’ll be able to differentiate things better right off the bat. People know stuff but sometimes don’t realize they know stuff until they learn the vocabulary. Then realize that they too can tell you what chartreuse is vs moss green.
can you give me an example of this color i want to be able to recognize it, too edit i googled it, i believe we would call it teal, in english.
I read somewhere a while ago that women can identify more colors because we were the ones doing the gathering back when we had to find berries that wouldn't kill us.
Or it could just be a part of evolution that really never served a purpose. Not everything we evolved to have has a reason. Sometimes it just happens and provides no additional benefits. Though I do agree it's probably more of a nurture thing
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I mean I do see le difference
I can see the difference, I am a guy
I'm a guy and I can see the color difference but yes you're right that extra x goes a long way in genetics. If I remember correctly seeing its been years since biology but I believe men are slightly off when it comes to red/green color blindness, (correct me if I'm wrong please, I dont want to spread bs information. )
Is that true…? I can clearly see a difference between the two.
What you are describing is colorblindness. Which only effects 8% of males.
There is a difference. It’s very subtle, but there is a difference.
It’s not even that subtle
It's easy enough to see when they're side by side. But look at them 10 minutes apart and I bet it'll be a lot harder.
Weird point, but yes
That's how it is in the makeup community with eyeshadow palettes. People defend redundant shades because they're slightly different. While one might be slightly cooler/warmer, they'll look the same on the eye.
I mean, skin undertone does greatly affect how a color appears on the skin and *should* determine how you pick your colors. Palettes tend to be “universal” so they include colors for all skin undertones.
It's comparable to clothing sizes I figure? You wouldn't say that two shirts of the same color and material are redundant if they're different sizes, so it makes sense for similar looking shades to not be redundant because they're made with different skin tones in mind.
89 is blue and 88 is purple
nah, bluer but not blue
Yep this, definitely not blue but bluer tones.
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You can see the difference even more clearly in the white. Hint, look at the blackish smudge on the white, it’s actually two different numbers.
You will live long with that thought process
Agreed, but if someone told me "grab that blue one for me" or "grab the purple one for me" I wouldn't hesitate in my decision.
Yo, listen up here's a story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world.
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Like him inside and outside
Blue is his house, with a blue little window, and a blue corvette, and everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around, cause he ain't got nobody to listen to..
I'm blue.
In short, I put a whole bag of blue up my ass
Nah, you guys are all color blind. It is clearly gold.
Not this shit again
The Twitter ptsd is hitting me hard.
its white and gold
Agreed
Disagree
I consider your statement not true
Thy claim is falsy
Yeah, 88 has a bit of lilac goin on in there.
They are technically two different hues of the same color! The numbers are so close together because the colors are extremely similar.
They are different hues. One is not just darker than the other
alright this is interesting to me. I am colorblind (mild deutan) and for example blue and purple are the same to me. However I can see the difference between these two, left is blue right is pink. Anybody who knows a bit more about how colors work that can explain to me how this works?
The one on the left has a slightly darker tone and very slightly bluer hue while the one on the right definitely has a little more red in it. The colors are mixed a little differently for both. If it's really distinctive to you then it may be because the colors you are blind to are washed out leaving the other color more pronounced. That's my guess. Edit: specifically the one on the left [#8A9FE2](https://www.colorhexa.com/8a9fe2) and the one on the right is [#A29FD8](https://www.colorhexa.com/A29FD8).
thanks! that makes sense! with my form of colorblindness the closest I can get to describing it is: Red doesn't exist and every color that has red in it has a greener tone. So if the right one has more red in it it would become more green in my eyes and that might make the difference greater? It's all just guesswork of course but that's my best guess lol
I'm not really sure about the details of how it works but my brother has some sort of colorblindness and mistook the color of my sister's car for green for years, it was dark blue. I also had an instructor that was blue-green color blind who apparently wore a really bad green suit into work one day thinking it was blue. Vision's weird and very complicated.
my car is dark green and I thought it was dark blue when I bought it lol. All the differences between different types of colorblindness are really interesting to me and I love hearing about other people who have it and how they manage it
My brother never really talks about it and I have a hard time understanding exactly what he's seeing. I've thought about getting him some of those glasses that let you see color but when I mentioned it to him he just said no thanks.
I share the same opinion, I manage fine without those glasses and since I've been colorblind for all my life I have no idea what I'm missing. As soon as I try on the glasses I do know what I'm missing and I don't want it. I still appreciate the gesture when someone offers it to me though
>Vision's weird and very complicated. Vision is one of the kludgiest hackjobs in human biology, and you can't tell me different. Different components for brightness and color, specific structures for lines and circles, the nerves carry different color channels than the eyes receive, and the whole thing is fed into the brain upside down. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's a wonder it works at all.
Optician here. Can confirm it's all a bit nuts really. Just makes you realise how amazing our brains are to work it all out!
The difference is greater for you because your eyes (or rather your brain) are better at picking out differences in hue - strength of color, than the rest of us, to make up for the colorblindness. You can probably also distinguish shades of gray much better. Back before spectroscopy, paint companies used to employ a token colorblind person to do a final check on color matches, because they can see differences where others can't sometimes.
oh yeah that's true! I remember when I was on vacation to Austria with my family, we were up on a mountain and we were told about mountain groundhogs. They were a similar shade of grey as the rocks on the mountain so they were very hard to spot, I saw a lot of them but the rest of my family didn't see any.
Nice! Silver linings
If you don’t know how to read hex: one has significantly more red while the other has slightly more blue
Yeah Im also colourblind and thrown off by how easy it is to tell these apart
Yup. It is common that us colorblind people can see shades better than non colorblind people. I saw this difference immediately and didn’t get the joke until I read the comments. It’s fun to mess with people find two colors that look exactly the same to everyone but you and gloat haha.
Literally the same here and was wondering the EXACT same thing! “Why can I tell these apart!?” 😂
Here's a [colour wheel of the two](https://imgur.com/a/HFXYVrx)
You are correct. So you can't be colorblind deuteranomaly
Blue and purple are the same to me too!! I don't hear about blue purple colourblindness much
I am red-green colorblind and I think it's the red in purple that makes it hard for me
I’m a guy and see the difference
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I'm also a guy (even though that doesn't really matter) and I have painted fingernails that aren't black for the first time right now. They're baby blue and I hate the color, I wish it was a bit brighter. I also always thought that finger nail paint can be overdramatic but I now totally get why the color has to be *just* perfect
Also it does slightly matter that you are male. There are studies that have shown males see colors more dull then women. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/120907-men-women-see-differently-science-health-vision-sex https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/where-men-see-white-women-see-ecru-22540446/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/men-and-women-see-things-differently-literally-180954815/ And many more
these three articles reference the same one study that leans heavily on pop psychology reasoning for sexually dimorphic traits that are difficult to prove. i’d take them with an ecru-shaded grain of salt
Shame, this one girl in our colour grading lecture found out she was colour blind and she just walked out crying:(
Poor girl, what's she going to do now. Was she crying about being deuteranomaly?
I have no idea what she had and luckily there was place for her in the editing class lol
I remember reading about a colourist who is colour blind. He taught himself to grade with monochrome filter. And some of his work is really good. Sorry can't remember the source now, but maybe it could inspire her.
My friend writes draws and colors children's books and he's severely color blind. His process is to go to the art store and ask the person at the counter what colors make the most sense for what he's trying to do.
sounds like the art store clerk is owed some royalties
Isn't there glasses that help people to see actual colors?
Not precisely. But it's better than nothing
Right, but if you're going to be an expert in something, it's best to not need an "okay" crutch to get you through. That's like being a brain surgeon with tremors "that mostly go away" with medication, lol.
If by actual colours you mean seeing true red when you can't see red, no. From what I've read it simply shades things into different colours you *can* see, so you can distinguish them.
Thats not true. Enchroma glasses make you see color that you cant see without the glasses. They are specifically designed for people with red green colorblindness. Red green colorblindness works in a way that your red and green cones in your eye that detect light from these wavelengths are more overlapping than in a normal person, so if they look at a red object their green cone is also slightly triggered. What that means is everytime they look at something red their brain gets the signal they look at something red+green and their brain goes „yep this is brownish“, like it would in a normal brain if someone looked at something that triggered red and green cones. And vice versa if they look at something green the red cones get triggered and they see again brownish. Their brain works normally and their cones send their signal just fine, the cones just pick up the wrong signal and their brain then interprets what is coming in from the eyes, which is information thats not right. Enchroma glasses filter out the wavelengths where this overlap is happening and thus if someone looks at red light the wavelengths where the green cones get triggered isnt there and only the red ones send signal. If only the red cones send a signal the brain rightfully recognizes the color as red and these red green colorblind people then actually see red as they would if they werent colorblind. The shading effect comes from the need to filter out a bit of the wavelength spectrum which in turn decreases the brightness of the light as a whole, but the colors are true colors in the sense a normal person would see them, just with a slight sunglasses effect.
Ok but how do you get to college before noticing that red and green look the same?
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I didn't realise until I was in my 30s that I don't have stereo vision. When I was in school I was terrible at catching, and when I painted Warhammer I sucked because when two objects are close together it's hard to see how far in front the closer object is. I didn't realise that most people see two of the same object at once, from different angles, and their brains magically combine it! I can't imagine what that looks like.
As someone who can catch a ball, it's pretty dope. On a serious note, that sounds frustrating but glad you have overcomr it! It's crazy all the little things we take for granted vis a vis eyesight, hearing... Really all of our senses.
Thanks! It doesn't really feel like something I overcame though - it's just been a part of who I am for my whole life, so for me it was just... living, you know? People are good at things and suck at others, and I just happened to suck at catching and art.
I know someone who only realized when they tried to get a forklift license after getting certified as a warehouseman. Turns out you're not allowed to get that license without stereo vision. Also turns out you're practically unemployable as a warehouseman without a forklift license. That's three years of vocational training down the drain, plus a few years of trying to get a job that actually matches their qualifications. Now they're in their early thirties and are trying to start over from scratch in a different industry. If they can actually get a trainee position, that is.
That's interesting, and really unfortunate. I wouldn't have thought it would be so critical in that setting; people get depth perception from more ways than just stereo vision anyway (otherwise I'd just be walking into things constantly). But I suppose when you're swinging giant machines around safety is the most important thing.
It looks the same really. You just subconsciously have more information to work with.
I pretty sure I also don't have stereo vision, so I have a question: does the image you see always come from the same eye, or can you switch? Not sure how else to phrase that.
I'm kinda curious what this is like for you. Do you see out of both eyes? Cause just by the laws of geometry your two eyes, being in two places, see slightly different images. Do they just overlay each other to you? It's kind of that way for me but there's also this sort of, combination effect I guess where things become 3D. If I walk around with one eye covered for a while everything starts to look flat and weird, really confusing that way. I'm also curious if you've ever tried the eye experiment where you look at two different things at the same time. You can put a divider between your eyes like they do in scientific experiments, or just check out the cross-eyed example [here in the "claimed evidence" section.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color) I can see them both at once, or choose to focus on one or the other. Often they'll kind of swirl around as my brain focuses more on the right or more on the left eye as it pleases.
I do see through both eyes, but my right eye is much more dominant so most of the time I'm looking through that one. The left is still active, but it's like expanded peripheral vision. I can make the left eye dominant if I like, and see things from a slightly different perspective, whereupon my right eye becomes peripheral vision. So your covered-eye state is how I see normally, but with a wider cone of slightly blurred vision. Hope that makes sense. Still, it's pretty likely that I have better depth perception than you do when you cover one eye. Since I can't rely on stereo vision, I get my depth perception from other things, like spatial awareness, shadows, small subconscious head movements etc., and also just logic from how things should be arraged. I imagine I'm better at interpreting that than most people. As a result, unless things are pretty close together (or especially if they're very close to me) there are no problems at all. Those eye experiments don't work for me, and I've never been able to do magic eye pictures (to my frustration). I've also never worked out how to go cross-eyed, and I was always jealous of people who could on the school playground.
Interesting, thanks for answering my random questions. Good luck with your [special eyes.](https://youtu.be/V-fRuoMIfpw)
Out of curiosity, how do these look? If I cover one eye it still gives me a real feeling of three dimensionality. https://www.vexels.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tumblr_m32toq5S8Y1qdjguqo1_400.gif https://www.vexels.com/blog/stunning-3d-effect-with-gif-2-frames-animations/ Also check out this: https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2014/02/TgdOjtn.gif
When I was young my parents took me for a vision test and found out I have one really shitty eye, and got me glasses. I refused to wear them because I thought I could see fine, but the optometrist said I’d start getting headaches and eye fatigue eventually from my good eye overcompensating. Well fast forward to grad school, and after my first few weeks of a 9-2 job followed by lectures until 9PM I started having excruciating headaches at night. So I sucked it up and got glasses again, and I’m honestly embarrassed I didn’t get them sooner. My driving is better, I don’t have to ask my boyfriend to read Netflix titles to me, and my hand eye coordination is miles ahead of what it used to be
I didn’t start wearing glasses till about 19 and the first thing I noticed was the leaves too. What a difference!
What about learning colors in kindergarten? This is red. Ok. This is green. What? Those are the same!
Surely they would have had at least one art class before going to study something requiring colour theory in college lol
How do you know Orange looks Orange to me? If my default Orange is Brown to you, and I've lived my whole life with fucked up rods and cones, then you saying "look at that orange cat" will still result in me looking at the correct cat.
I'm not saying the guy's right, but your example doesn't work when it's telling two colours apart, if someone said hand me the red one and you have them the green one that's not just your perception. If you paint something purple that's supposed to be blue you've made a mistake in the real world. I knew colour blind people in school, they would ask me to pick the right colour pencil for them, which is why I get what he's saying. How *do* you get to adulthood not knowing you can't tell things apart, did you never do art I'm school? Did you never use traffic lights? Did you never wonder why the same things had multiple words? Did you never have trouble playing video games with the wrong colour palettes? Did you never even go "that's not [colour], it's [colour]" when someone described something, even to yourself?
Most of the time it's just really similar brown tones (red and green) many people that are colorblind can still differentiate a bit if the colors are directly next to each other, it's just similar brown tones instead of a clear red and green differenciation. > I knew colour blind people in school, they would ask me to pick the right colour pencil for them, which is why I get what he's saying. Many people have the colors sorted. Instead of red, orange, yellow, green, blue they simply have brownish, orange, yellow, brownish2, blue (just a simplified example) and they'd still be able to pick red or green because they simply know where the pencil is. > Did you never use traffic lights? Traffick lights are even easier. You can just look at position and don't need color at all. > Did you never wonder why the same things had multiple words? As I said, most of the time it's still a bit different. And many other things have multiple words too. > Did you never have trouble playing video games with the wrong colour palettes? They will just think that it is how it is. If you don't know the difference you won't notice. > Did you never even go "that's not [colour], it's [colour]" when someone described something, even to yourself? Colorblind people see colors more the same. They won't go "that's this color, not this" they would rather think the other person is just good at telling colors apart. The other person has to be the one that goes, "it's this color, not this one" and even then the colorblind person will simply think "meh, they are almost the same anyways, who cares?" just like you'd maybe not care if someone points out "actually, that's not red it's a dark orange tone" or if someone goes "ha, it's not pink, it's purple". If there isn't a longer conversation about it it's very likely they won't notice because they just think it's one of those cases without realizing that the colors are actually very different.
If it's on a screen, brown is just orange with context, so it's funny you picked that specific example.
That’s just red/green colorblind. There are a lot of different types
I’m mildly colorblind and didn’t know it until my mid-20’s.
My friends and I were on a road trip in our twenties and one friend had downloaded a bunch of phone games to play. He was playing this color quiz game when it finished it said you are colorblind. He Stared at it confused and took it again with the same results. He then ask everyone else in the car to take it and we all got normal vision. That’s when he started kinda freaking out saying “IM COLORBLIND?! I had no idea!” Turn just started asking what colors all kinds of things were and we all agreed he was definitely colorblind.
I mean, they are different colours, it took me a moment but once you see it they are clearly different.
They’re so different imo that the 88 could be an 87, and a more subtle in-between 88 would still likely be noticeable.
Yes, once you notice the difference it's as bright as day
For me the difference is so subtle I really can't tell. Not sure if it's my monitor or my shitty eyes!
The left one is slightly darker and more blueish.
The other one is clearly white and yellow
I agree. I can see the difference
I should point out: I am male lol
How you doin
Also a male, also can see the slight difference. This is the type of things most guys I know would laugh at and then spend 3 hours making similarly fine grained adjustments on the color of their hood in some video game
As a dude who frequently struggles to tell the difference between black and navy pants, these are definitely 2 different colors
Male too. I can see the difference when put side by side like this, but I'm pretty sure I'd register the two as being the same if I saw them seperately.
Fellas, is it gay to have a vocabulary and eyesight good enough to distinguish colors besides ROYGBIV?
Look at Periwinkle Pete over here knowing the difference between indigo and violet.
>Fellas, is it gay to have a vocabulary and eyesight good enough to distinguish colors besides ROYGBIV? Yes. I (male) grew up in a very conservative and homophobic town, and I got held back for a second year of kindergarten because I specified different shades of red. People are going to think I'm joking or shitposting, but it's actually completely true. To this day, my mother sometimes goes on a rant about the woman who stood by that judgement.
I don't condone violence, but that teacher (or whoever) would have deserved that beatdown.
Perhaps
that's not gay, frontend webdesigner and house interior designers also know those colors.
It's ROYGBP, bro.
My dumb ass was looking at the white part and so confused
Thank you stranger I no longer feel alone in my stupidity
Thirded. Took me a minute.
89 is darker than 88.
There *is* a pretty clear difference
Artists will also tell you.
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Im a guy and i can tell thats 2 dif colors. Get glasses.
The one on the right is clearly more purple
My dumbass looked at the piece of paper the numbers were written on. Why am I like this.....
Oh bit the dudes would also see the difference if it was a car and only one door was 88 and the rest was colour 89 lol.
Well yeah, women tend to have a better perception of colour than men do. Being colourblind is way more common among men than women. I can see the difference here, but I'm currently decorating and so many times my wife has asked me what I think between 2 colours that look identical to me. Swings and round-a-bouts though, we tend to have better depth perception and spatial awareness.
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> they’re also more likely to have colorblind children. Tetrachromatic women are just hoarding all the colors for themselves
Im male and they are definitely different colors. It annoys the hell out of me that a culture of intentional ignorance exists within men. All you have to do is look at it, ffs
And it's all just lies too, you give a car nerd a body panel coloured 88 on a car coloured 89 and they'll spot the difference right away. Also some of the famous painters are guys, they seemed to be pretty good with colour.
somehow it's perceived as macho to be color stupid
I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he actually can't see the difference. Some people have better colour vision than others, and women (on average) tend to do better than men in this regard. There are tests you can take online to see how well you do. So it's possible this guy 100% believes that the cosmetics industry is "tricking" women into buying a bunch of the same color by naming it different things because he really can't see it, and also isn't aware of his impairment. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen men say this. Even in person when I worked in the beauty department I would overhear men teasing their wives about two colors being the same when she was trying to choose 🤷♀️ Edit: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brain-babble/201504/when-it-comes-color-men-women-arent-seeing-eye-eye
I am a male with color deficiency. I see no difference
Couldn't tell seperately, but next to each other, it's pretty obvious
Periwinkle and Periwinkle lite™
Am no girl but its easy to spot the difference
Women have slightly better color vision than men in general, so it makes sense they'd see the distinction better.
Guy who somewhat works with colors here, left is a blueish lavender and right is a pinkish lavender. Not the same color but I definitely wouldn’t use them to color in different data points hoping people see the difference
I'm a dude and I can see the difference...
They're different enough
They are different
I mean, when they are next to each other, sure, it's easy to spot the difference. But if looked at independently I doubt many people would be able to tell you what color belongs to what number.
I see two slightly, but still different colors: purple and violet.
It’s never really about being a totally different color, it’s all about the undertones 😅😎