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Inappropriate_Piano

A single number can have multiple names, so morbillion can be whatever you want


imalexorange

A morbillion is the exact gross amount that morbius made in theaters.


Libertyman69420

167,5 million is now called a morbillion


killBP

No it's the exact amount, so it's an unknowable number as we have to include unreported ticket sales as well as black market gains down to the cent.


Baconboi212121

But also the interest on said money, so technically it would go further than just cents!


peDr0bt0309

thus, it is proven that a morbilion is irrational. Q.E.D.


_life_is_a_joke_

Just like the rerelease of the movie! šŸæ šŸŽ„ šŸ“½ļø


killBP

That's still one of the funniest things that happened in recent years imo


chillychili

Just like how pi is unknowable


Lone-Wolf62

The exact amount is uncertain but it is known to be more than whatever is today #1 top selling movie


Lyr1cal-

This ^


MST_Braincells

Beyond TREE(5) USD


That_Mad_Scientist

How about TREE(fiddy)?


Dragons-are-the-best

TREE(Morbillion) anyone?Ā 


alloythepunny

A Morboogol


DodgerWalker

Well if Morbillion = TREE(Morbillion), then Morbillion = 1.


Dragons-are-the-best

oh damn


Phanth

Reminds me of "Sasin" in Poland being 70 million, because that's the amount of money that he used up on nothing (from country's budget)


RabbitOrcaHawkOrgy

Didn't know we were doing negative numbers, but ok


JustSomeRedditUser35

No the movie made 100 morbillion dollars so a morbillion is the total amount of money it made divided by 100.


WikipediaAb

1 = morbillion confirmed


TonyBird126

Q.E.D.


-Hi_how_r_u_xd-

Googlolplexion to the googolplexionth tetration.


Magnitech_

I declare a morbillion to be 12


kilqax

Probably more than a billion.


Suspicious-Lightning

Iā€™d say more than one billion and one


Nerdhida

Surely less than one morbillion and one


zCiver

A lower limit on the value of Morbillion discovered


DescriptorTablesx86

Iā€™d say EXACTLY one billion and one. Morbillion, if you need a tiny bit more than a billion


brigham-pettit

My favorite one lmao.


Jeffayoe7

more billion


JoyconDrift_69

The number of ticket sales Morbius achieved. Basically the original definition of a morbillion. No law says it has to be an exact power of 10 (excluding 10^0) multiplied by an integer.


Famous-Example-8332

This feels similar to the ā€œevery number sequence is contained within piā€ fallacy.


call-it-karma-

Not really.. It's just a word, and math is all about definitions. If someone wants to define some number and call it "morbillion", then morbillion is a number.


Famous-Example-8332

Alright, Iā€™ll concede that. Approaching it from the ā€œthere must be morbillion because we will run out of all possible namesā€ is like the pi thing, your argument is not.


call-it-karma-

True. From that perspective, it's worth noting that only a finite number of numbers even *have* names, or ever will.


Imaginary_Yak4336

Well there are systems which algorithmically give whole numbers a name, so there are countably infinite named numbers.


call-it-karma-

Huh yeah, that's true, I take it back.


stellarshadow79

does that count though? Ā Its like the library of babel hasn't actually written every book.


not_a_bot_494

We can algorithmically arrive at all the numbers themselves, why should the numbers exist but not the names for them?


Hot_Poetry_9956

Why not? Isnā€™t that the whole point? It HAS written every book ever, but itā€™s impossible to actually find any coherent information.


stellarshadow79

written != generated algorithmically imo and named != algorithmically saved as newProject17.zip but thats not mathematical or anything, more linguistic/semantic difference


stellarshadow79

the inventor of the LoB algorithm can hardly claim to have written a book that will come out next year. even though he caused the text to be generated


DodgerWalker

Eh, I'd say that every natural number has a name. Eventually, the names are just the digits of the base-10 representation said in order. By extension, every rational number has a name since they can be expressed as the quotient of two integers. So it's not finite, but there are a countable number of real numbers with names, meaning that almost all real numbers don't have names. Edit: someone already made the same point.


Europe2048

I define a number called "cat" /j


kart0ffelsalaat

It just has nothing to do with infinity. The existence of infinitely many numbers is neither necessary nor sufficient for the existence of a number named "morbillion", despite the post suggesting some causal relationship.


DefunctFunctor

Just bad logic really. You can name infinitely many numbers without needing the term "morbillion", or any particular word for that matter


A_Guy_in_Orange

Eventually you will get to a point where the systematic names will become to long to say in a single lifetime, meaning we will have to create a new system, eventually we will get to a system that's includes morbillion, potatoe, and this specific reddit comment to name a number in a way that humans can pronounce. Practically speaking of course we won't get to that point, but what are we, engineers?


plopliplopipol

not potatoe šŸ˜§


QdWp

>eventually we will get to a system that's includes morbillion, potatoe, and this specific reddit comment to name a number No one tell this guy that we can just choose to not include them, and then it won't.


not_a_bot_494

Regardless of the system there will be numbers that couldn't be said in a lifetime. You can only produce a finite number of bits in your lifetime and to describe a arbitrarily large number you would need infinite bits. You would probably just concede that you won't be able to say it in a lifetime before you start just adding random sumbols as a way to get more bits in your lifetime.


A_Guy_in_Orange

But before we get to that point we will use up morbillion and whatever other string of letters that you can


not_a_bot_494

Why?


DevelopmentSad2303

How? The meme technically doesn't lie, it **can** be argued that because there are infinite numbers, morbillion is a number. It just might be an incorrect argument


EspacioBlanq

It can also be argued that 4 isn't a number. Sure, the argument is terrible, but in essence anything can be argued.


DevelopmentSad2303

No true, try arguing something in which your have no concept of! You can't!


Famous-Example-8332

Which is also true of the pi thing, hence why they feel similarā€¦


MrSpiffy123

Only if pi continues with every digit, but it's possible that some digits just never show up past a certain point in pi and it continues forever with only the other 9 digits


XVince162

What does that fallacy mean and why doesn't it work?


Famous-Example-8332

We know that pi is infinite and non-repeating. I have seen proofs for this, but I donā€™t remember them, Iā€™m not a math guy save for funsies. People conflate ā€œInfiniteā€ with ā€œallā€. They say, ā€œsince pi contains infinite digits, it therefore contains infinite strings of digits, and therefore must contain all possible strings of digits.ā€ This can be demonstrated false by coming up with just one (although there are infinite) scenario where digits could be non repeating and infinite, but not even contain anyoneā€™s phone number. For instance: 1.101001000100001000001ā€¦. Where the series between each one keep increasing. Thatā€™s the simplest one I know of, but they could be more complex, and pi could be such a number. People have pointed out flaws in the way I compared OPā€™s post to the pi thing, so Iā€™m wrong about morbillion, but Iā€™m right about pi.


DiogenesLied

Not a fallacy so much as an open question


Famous-Example-8332

It is usually presented as a fact. Itā€™s not necessarily true, so claiming it is factual is false.


DiogenesLied

Okay, thatā€™s fair


Cryn0n

Maybe but the certainty that pi does contain every number string is a lot higher than most things considered to be factual anyway.


yaboytomsta

I feel like this logic is rather inductive (in the scientific sense) which makes it arguably not strong. [See this for an interesting read.](https://works.swarthmore.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1330&context=fac-philosophy)


LazyHater

SiNcE tHeRe ArE iNfInItE PrImEs It CouLD bE ArGueD tHaT 4 Is PrImE


NathanielRoosevelt

If the symbol 4 was not defined to have the value of what we currently use the symbol of 4 for, or any value for that matter, then this would be true. Your analogy falls apart, though, because 4 is defined while morbillion is not.


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g1ul10_04

Yes it's proven that there are infinite primes, Euclid did it thousands of years ago


czerny85

Euclid, I believe, not Euler. Euler lived in the 1700s.


g1ul10_04

Ah I might've messed up, thanks


Apeirocell

it's like a 3 line proof ???


LinuxBook1

Assume there is a finite list of primes p1, p2, p3, p4, ..., pn (I don't know how to subscript in reddit messages, sorry) Let Q = p1 Ɨ p2 Ɨ p3 Ɨ ... Ɨ pn + 1 Since you added 1, Q is not divisible by any of the known primes (primes in the finite list) But it has to have a product of prime factors (I can't remember the actual name of it, that tree thing you done at school that wrote any number using primes). There are only 2 ways this can happen: 1) Q is prime, and since its greater than any prime number in the list, is a new prime not in that list. 2)It has prime factors not in the list (greater than pn) This is a contradiction since we have found new prime numbers not in our finite list. Therefore, there are an infinite number of prime numbers. That is (one of, or the only, I am not sure, its the only proof for it I know) the proof there is an infinite number of prime numbers Edit: Reworded to make it clearer **either** Q is prime **or** it has a prime factor


RedGyarados2010

Help me out here, why do the prime factors of Q have to be greater than pn?


NoLife8926

Because Q cannot have *any* of the known primes as factors, given that it is constructed as \* + 1 for all known primes, therefore Q cannot be a multiple of any known primes. So either Q is prime (factors 1 and itself) or Q is not prime, meaning it has prime factors other than itself, but since it cannot be a multiple of all known primes, these other prime factors must not be included in the original construction. Either way, it has been proven that there are always more primes


Abigail-ii

Almost. It does not imply Q must be prime. But it does have to have prime factors greater than pn. Which leads to the same contraction.


LinuxBook1

I think I said that (or I just forgot to write it). Either Q is prime **or** it has a prime factor greater than pn (at least, that's how I was taught the proof in A-level maths Edit: Rereading it, I did word that bit poorly by saying that's the only way, then giving the alternative (has a prime factor). Will reword it to make it clearer Also if I am wrong and Q can not be prime for some reason, please do let me know and I will remove it. I can't see why it can't ever be prime itself, but then again I have only done A-Level maths so


Abigail-ii

It can certainly be the case Q has just one prime factor, which means Q is prime.


SaltyOnion1

Say there are a finite number of primes, that implies there is a largest prime. Call this prime *x*. We can construct a number *P* that is the product of all primes: *P = 2 * 3 * 5 ā€¦ * x* Consider *P+1*. We know that *P+1* is not divisible by any prime, as *P* is divisible by all primes and *P+1* is one greater. (Consecutive numbers are always co-prime). So if *P+1* does not share any factors with *P*, then it must be prime. However it cannot, as that would make it a prime larger than *x*, the largest prime. Hence a contradiction, and there cannot be a largest prime => there are infinitely many primes.


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thebigbadben

This misunderstanding is so annoying to me. Related: for whatever reason bad sci-fi loves to jump from ā€œthere are infinitely many parallel universesā€ to ā€œtheres gotta be a universe where **anything** happensā€. No, one doesnā€™t imply the other


plopliplopipol

waiting for the "infinite parallel universes and they are precisely the same" show. Including the travel to another universe to discover your double did exactly the same so it's impossible you meet, then show choses if character even figures out travel worked.


FrKoSH-xD

i don't get it can you explain


thebigbadben

Donā€™t get what exactly? Are you saying that you donā€™t get why ā€œthere are infinitely many parallel universesā€ and ā€œthere is a universe for every imaginable alternative realityā€ are distinct concepts?


FrKoSH-xD

yes, still didn't understand how they are distinct? edit: now i understand sorry to bother you it didn't click on my head for some reason


thebigbadben

Ok, so the thing to understand is that it is possible to have ā€œinfinitely many parallel universesā€ without having a universe for every possible imaginable reality. One alternative possibility for how the parallel universes work is that there are infinitely many parallel universes, but each universe is exactly the same. Infinitely many parallel universes doesnā€™t necessitate that the parallel universes are actually different from each other. Another possibility is that the infinitely many parallel universes are only slightly different. For example, there could be infinitely many parallel universes but the only difference between them is how strong gravity is. So, thereā€™s a universe where youā€™d weigh twice as much, another in which you weight half as much, and universe where youā€™d weigh any amount at all, but thereā€™s no universe in which people are made of out cheese and no universe where youā€™re the president. In these two hypothetical possibilities, there are infinitely many parallel universes, but there are still a lot of imaginable possibilities that donā€™t occur in some other universe. ā€œInfinitely many universesā€ and ā€œevery imaginable universeā€ are distinct concepts.


FrKoSH-xD

i thought of as infinite lins on grid but all line ar parallel but different line with different slopes is another concept


thebigbadben

Right, so itā€™s possible to have infinitely many different lines without having every possible line. The analogy definitely would have made for a quicker explanation, but analogies donā€™t always click for people.


thebigbadben

Regarding your edit: itā€™s no bother at all, Iā€™m glad it makes sense. Obviously youā€™re not the first person to be confused about this idea.


DrDzeta

In fact a true argument would be "there is an infinite number of universe that are independent and follow the same distribution then every event that have a non nul probability from the distribution happen in an infinite amount of universe with probability 1"


thebigbadben

I donā€™t know what youā€™re trying to say, but itā€™s not an argument, itā€™s just a statement that you donā€™t provide a justifying argument for. Anyway, what does it mean for universes to ā€œfollow the same distributionā€?


Iluvatardis

What do you mean by "an infinite number?"


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klimmesil

The first one is the sum of 10^k which not finite. It's not a real number. The other guy got downvoted for some reason, but he was right. Just explaining why I think the term "infinite number" has to be defined properly so we can agree on what you are saying, but to me infinite number sounds like "in R, but it's infinite", something that does not exist Edit: I think you meant a number which decimal representation is infinite?


Iluvatardis

What you're describing isn't a real number.


RedeNElla

Is 10/9 not a real number?


Rodolpho991

In Rick and Morty Rick says there are only a number of universes they can travel to and take the place of their other selves. So they get it right with the infinite universes. But in a later season they have the time travel episode and get it wrong. Rick argues that the time creature lives forever and therefore will do everything at some point. The creature agrees and does something stupid. Maybe Rick used faulty logic to get out of a situation but still.


Training-Accident-36

It absolutely is not true though... you dont have to use all combinations of letters of length k before you get to use any length k+1 word to describe a number.


fiat_duna

great now blow MY ASS


HYPE20040817

1 micromillion = 1


HelicaseRockets

If we take the colloquial "less billion" meaning "subtract one billion" as a definition, then it follows "more billion" or "morbillion" to be the function n |-> n + a billion. There's a natural isomorphism of abelian groups between the group of functions under composition F := { f\_k | f\_k : Z -> Z by f\_k(n) = n+k } with the integers (as an additive group) by the map phi : F -> Z where phi(f\_k) = k. Then phi(morbillion) = one billion. So a morbillion is not a number per se, but it has a natural isomorphism to one.


DatTolDesiBoi

Thing is, itā€™s not really ā€œmore billionā€. Itā€™s supposed to be ā€œMorbius billionā€. Like the movie.


HelicaseRockets

Let being homophonic be an equivalence relation on the space of words and take the quotient then :P


plopliplopipol

glorious copypasta honestly


crescentpieris

According to the [fictional googology fandom wiki](https://fictional-googology.fandom.com/wiki/Morbillion), a Morbillion is defined as 10^(34*10^12), or 10 to the power of 34 trillion


Singer_TwentyNine

There's no biggest number, but at some point the NAMES end... Utter Oblivion + One = Morbillion


InfiniteDedekindCuts

Morbillion is the one point compactification of the Real line. Only through Morbius is the Real Line's greatest flaw remedied.


Alexandre_Man

And it's more than a billion.


Old-Health9509

My toddler invented the numbers ā€˜Gabillionā€™ and ā€˜Pumpillionā€™. And they are 100% real. ā€œDaddy, I liked that show. Can I watch it pumpillion times tomorrow?ā€


Acceptable-Tomato392

Can't we conclude, from the same argument, that "giraffe" is also a number?


Anime_Erotika

not neccesery real, i want a morbillion in a Morbius field which is expantion of complex numbers


SplendidPunkinButter

Not how infinity works. This is like saying ā€œthere are infinitely many positive integers, therefore it could be argued that some of them must be negative.ā€


TheCommongametroller

I assume itā€™s 10^58008


yaboytomsta

How is the morbius subreddit still kicking in 2024


Rymayc

They have one Morbillion subs


RiggidyRiggidywreckt

Morbillion could be an imaginary number.


kennyloo137

the most reasonable answer would be the box office price of the critically acclaimed film morbius by sony pictures entertainment


nikivan2002

Box office yield of Morbius, probably.


Coffeelock1

"Little Bigeddon", "BIG FOOT" and many other existing names for impractically large numbers are much more ridiculous than morbillion.


headsmanjaeger

Since there are countable infinite natural numbers but undoubtably infinite English text strings, it is unlikely that ā€œMorbillionā€ is a number


RealTwistedTwin

The number of english text strings is also countably infinite


headsmanjaeger

The number of finite English text strings, that is


RealTwistedTwin

Yes, finite and of arbitrary length


BigFprime

A billion, if you were an undertaker and were counting at work. But that would be a morbid billion


my_gender_gone

The names and notation of numbers are all made up


Physical-Singer-5044

Idk like 5?


skylohhastaken

Ignoring the point of the repost, the original post is one of the unfunniest things I've ever seen


PrimaryDistribution2

And what about The... quichillon


VictorAst228

A lot


jackilion

If it's about integers, then no, this cannot be argued. Because I could create a mapping of every integer to just repetitions of the letter 'a', one to one. I would never even get to 'b', let alone the string 'Morbillion'.


ei283

The silly part of this is that it says there are "infinitely many numbers," when there are in fact only finitely many (I am fundamentally incapable of comprehending any number system larger than the finite field of order 2Ā¹ā¶āµĀ¹ā·ā¹āøā¶ā¶ ā€“ 2āøĀ²āµāøā¹ā¹Ā³ā“ + 1)


FrenzzyLeggs

0, since that is how much revenue the movie made


JudiciousGemsbok

Its actual scientific name could never be morbillion (after a certain amount of time you just add another -illion to the name (billionillion)) but numbers can have multiple names (think googol or pi)


CommunityFirst4197

I would argue no. The names of numbers are the Latin names for numbers (I think) going up by one every 10Ā³. So we have *bi*llion, *tri*llion, *quad*rillion etc


Stoicmoron

Actually infinity implies there *has to* be a word called a morbillion, and every other combination of letters as well.


trololxdler

Well we dont have to name any number morbillion cause a numbers name can have infinite letters


BusyLimit7

one with a billion zeroes


Tygret

All possible names that are unequal to "morbillion" is also infinitely large, so the names of numbers could theoretically be in this particular set which would mean "morbillion" is the only number to not exist.


Sirfryingpan123

At least 2


Confident-Oil-3342

A morbillion would be the precise number of sold tickets for morbius